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one channel who i think is really respectful and kind with it is Love2DrawManga who tends to _genuinely_ want to help/is helpful with her critique instead of just it being 'haha its bad'

I remember my art being mocked as a kid online and being "white knighted" till I started to hate my own work. I hate that shit is being continued. Cristim is helpful, being a dick isn't.

Everytime I see a thumbnail with "bad" art and big red letters saying "You should quit" it really makes me feel horrible because it's already hard for people (for me anyways) to not give up on learning art, I just can't imagine a struggling beginner artist seeing their favorite youtuber telling them to give up, that must hurt yknow? Even if they consented to being "roasted", It just seems straight up mean and cruel to tell someone to give up on their passion for mistakes they've made

FINALLY someone talks abt this😭 I absolutely hate the way these videos constantly bash bright colours, messy lineart, stylised proportions, black shading and like so much more! They talk abt bright colours like there's not entire movements where ppl mainly use only bright colours☠️

There was a youtuber who would often critique art on his channel without asking permission. He'd just stick the art in a DA folder titled "To be reviewed on KZfaq! :)" He put some of my art in there when I was a young teen and I PANICKED when I got the notification. I messaged him and said "Please remove my art from that folder. You can give me critique on DA but I'm not comfortable with my art being reviewed on your KZfaq channel." His response? "I will remove it and not review it on my channel, but I don’t understand your discomfort. This is exposure and you should be thankful that I wanted to show it to people. This is how you grow as an artist." I wasn't asking to not be critiqued. I just didn't want a video on my pre-teen art put up on KZfaq for his ten-thousand subscribers.

I'm not gonna lie, its took me YEARS to feel comfortable showing my art or even feel motivated because of the art roasting. Made me feel that the way I stylize was "wrong" and I would stress about the details. Now and days I can look at my art without getting angry. I'm proud of how far I've come with my relationship with art :3.

Helpful critique is one thing, so long as it is REQUESTED, but there's so many purposeful styles that might not fit in with the art of the roasters. I've always been too shy and sensitive, so I don't really think I could ever handle one of my heroes mocking my art, even if it is just jokes. But, if a person who aims for realism isn't the best at comic or cartoon art, or the cartoonist isn't great at realism, it's hard to really judge due to the wildly different styles.

As someone whose art has been reveiwed by samdoesart i love the way his videos are it really helped me improve and there are actually alot of them that arent really pointing out mistakes but just showing way to improve, like "if you move the leg bacwards it becomes a more dynamic pose" instead of saying "ewew what is that leg that looks so weird like that you gotta move that"

A positive thing for the comments. I've been getting better at drawing birds in my art style! I love birds, and the way I'm drawing them now, they fit in so well!

I think Jackie Droujko is one creator who makes "art fixin" videos in a respectful and helpful way. No exaggerated reactions, no zooming in, just offering critique.

Well here’s the thing: The reason why art roasting can be harmful is because it isn’t just roasting the art and/or artist in question, it’s roasting everyone with these beginner styles and mistakes. It’s like when an influencer with a big nose gets cancelled for something unrelated, and then everybody starts being like “they’re so mean and so ugly like look at how big their nose is”, without realizing how hurtful that is to their friends/family who have big noses. It makes everyone who shares this trait, whether it’s something that can be changed or not, feel terrible because they’re thinking “oh, so this is what people ACTUALLY think about me.” Also, I did watch a few of them in the past and sure, sometimes it’s a little entertaining, but as an adult artist with a decent following and okay self esteem… it stopped being funny once it became clear to me that many “roasts” were just dunking on unconventional styles. I’m fairly certain at least 90% of the artists watching and enjoying them are insecure about their own art, and want to see others get dunked on so they can pat themselves on the back and say “see? I don’t do that (anymore), so I must be good at art actually.”

I find samdoesarts isnt that bad he still gives good criticism and his intire brand is intense almost sarcastic negativity

I think the only 'roast' videos I've actually enjoyed are from Temi Danso Art. While she does have the problem of using a clickbait title(calling it a roast) and a clickbait thumbnail plus making her intro look dramatic...her videos are just flat out critiques. She always starts with what she loves about the piece and compliments wat was done well, how she loves the bright colours, before getting into what could be improved, and it's all reasonable things that could help someone improve their art.

I think it's pretty unfair to lump SamDoesArt into this category. I don't think I've seen a single video of his, roasting or not, where he doesn't actively try to teach. Not only does he get consent via explicit submissions only, his roasts are fairly light and are always followed by advice. For example a common joke would be about making your characters look like Sid the Sloth then following it up by not only describing facial proportions but also actively editing the submitted piece to show how you apply the advice in real time. He also recognizes the difference between style and skill, so he never redraws anything into his style as the "fix".

ngl roasting a beginner arist for drawing hands badly is kind of stupid cuz mostly hands are quite hard to draw (unless you are born with a talent of drawing hands without guidelines)

This is a bit unrelated, but Jackie Droujko has a really good and really helpful critiquing art series that is probably the best one I’ve seen, it give actual good advice, shows how someone can improve and doesn’t make fun if the art. She also does this with character design portfolios (because she is a character designer) and all submissions are from patrons. I really recommend.

Amongst all the negativity, I'll bring my personal positive experience with Art Roast videos. They helped me learn to laugh at my own mistakes and not take them as seriously. They encouraged me to try out different styles without worrying too much about fucking something up and mostly to just enjoy the process, results be damned.

The "here's how to fix your art to make it look more like MY art" thing is soooo real! It's a pet peeve when I come across content that reviews other's art "to help them improve". I'm a small streamer with an open inbox to review your art, but I communicate with the artists that send in and try to help them get closer to their own goals, with their own style.

I want art roast channels to target only ai art Thats who they should make fun of not beginner artist

I know he’s already been mentioned on this channel, but I love Naoki Saito’s art correction videos! He doesn’t just redraw the art in his old style, he actually edits the submitted art itself, and always makes sure to sprinkle in praise. He also clarifies when he changes something due to his own personal preference, and not due to it being a flaw :)

I completely agree. As someone who (used to and actually still kinda) cannot tell the difference between what’s “just a joke” and what’s actually helpful advice, I don’t like art roasts either. The trend of bullying young/begin artists really needs to stop because if they’re demotivated at art, well, they’re not going to improve any time soon. It also depends on whether or not they want feedback in the first place or how harshly they want to be critiqued. For example, if I want someone to critique my art (mainly for anatomy, colour theory and lighting), I want it to be either: 1) Gentle, kind and helpful. Constructive criticism that actually helps improve that I want to do (mainly this is for stylisation and other more subjective purposes) or 2) As harshly as possible, BUT EVERY SINGLE LINE NEEDS TO BE HELPFUL. This is mainly for fundamentals like anatomy, perspective, colour theory and lighting. Don’t tell me “my hands suck” because I already know my hands/shoes/inorganic objects/the human torso suck. Redirect it to art courses or ways I can fix it. Tell me what to do. I’d rather be slapped at with the truth than figure out what they’re going to say because I can’t read their emotions and I’ll end up ignoring that advice wondering if they’re being condescending or not. So if someone’s way of being genuine is to be harsh and not being gentle, I’ll take it. I know it’s helpful advice. It also helps to ask what kind of advice they want? Artist I admire Meppity made some mistakes in critiquing art before (and it was portrayed as a critique and it was of a pro animator). Granted, that first video was… badly made and many things that could be worded better but she has since released a video on HOW to give critique to someone without roasting or making fun of them. She acknowledged and admitted to her past mistakes so I know she’s grown from them. Her advice on how to give constructive criticism is also very helpful for me to word out my critiques to my friends who don’t want/like my super harsh and honest way of critique (I mostly critique writing since I actually go to school for that but I also do a little art critiques as well - but I’d rather they go to someone qualified instead of someone who’s self taught lol). I also want to shoutout Jackie Droujko and Watercolour by Shibasaki for art critiques DONE RIGHT. Both are gentle with how they critique work, give advice on how to improve and show methods how. Jackie Droujko I believe is a character designer so she mostly does characters while Shibasaki Sensei is an impressionist watercolour artist. Granted Shibasaki Sensei does sometimes critique overly realistic styles as “overly realistic” since… he’s an impressionist painter (and also an old man) but he does it in a way that’s respectful enough that it’s like he’s saying “While this isn’t my cup of tea for a painting, I do appreciate it and I can see how other people would enjoy this style, so I can respect that. Here is how I would draw it in my style - feel free to stick around if you think it will be helpful!” (That’s not what he actually says but the vibe I get from it though). Still, I find both these artists doing critiques without bullying beginners very refreshing and recommend checking both their channels out

fyodor's dogshanka is so perfect omg 😭 i love that you've been drawing bsd characters recently

I think it depends on the one who roasts the art. Depending on them, it can be good or bad. However, it still creates negativity too. We should acknowledge it and demand these roasters in a polite manner.

girl be risking her life in every single video 😭🙏

Kooleen is so disrespectful towards Tiktok artists

Art roasts are just straight up bullying for the most part. Unless it's like constructive criticism. Let's also not forget the fact that art is subjective and what may work for one style will not for another. It's like a balancing act really. Yet another banger Duplicate Anastasia!

At the end of the year I did a Rating and Roasting of my own videos from that year and I intend to turn it into a series. I think that roasting can only be fun if it's something like a self joke or between really good friends as an inside joke.

As someone who is a student for art (fine arts specifically) I cringe so hard seeing all of these art critique videos. In some cases it’s so clear that the artist is self taught which isn’t bad but it can render them useless of the proper critique you receive and give in a more professional setting. I’ve been thinking about giving out willing critique as I’ve been doing art classes my whole life and I think I have some worthwhile advice but jeez does the clickbait tick me off lol TikTok is a mess as well bleh Great vid as always x

I don't think there's an issue with it if people want their art "roasted", some people think it's funny. There are other places to go if you want your art genuinely critiqued.

Tbf, I don’t mind SamDoesArts since his video are clearly meant to be joking wise, and I believe his viewers are aware of that when they submit their drawings. Also, he does point out some actually valid things here and there, but the joking part is more or less the whole point of the videos being made

There is one KZfaqr that art roast I love is Jackie Droujko, as her art roast can really help you to land a job in the industry than some of the less helpful art roast.

I don’t have a problem if they are genuinely criticizing the work, but it can easily turn into bullying when taken too far.

imo samdoesarts and Love2DrawManga actually do help. Of course sam roasts them a little bit but he still does help them, but people like kooleen she doesnt even give helpful advice in my opinion she only roasts them instead of giving them at least some nice criticism or criticism to help them be better at art. This is just my opinion though and i do feel like if u dont wanna get roasted/have ur art critiqued then dont submit your art. But thats just my opinion and all.

I think the roast is like cinema sins, started as a critic became a kind of satire with a criticism and later cant separate the joke and the truth

For some people, I can see how critique delivered as a "joke" might be preferred. With or without the existence of art roast videos, there has been a problem on the internet where newer artists, and people without a strong grasp of the newest art style trend get comments that are less than helpful or positive. The art roast might not be helping that phenomenon in the slightest, but that has been going strong just about anywhere people post art since forever. If one is to accept it as inevitable, hearing it as a joke instead of open, very intended maliciousness would be much easier to digest, and once an artist might have moved on from the skill set being mocked in the video, the "at least I'm not that guy" sets in. They'll still get ridiculed, maybe, they might still be a novice, but they're not making _that_ mistake anymore. There's a comfort in being able to identify the out crowd, even if you're not a part of the in crowd, you can be a nobody to escape it. Also, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, cringe is an empathy response. Empathy is _uncomfortable_ no matter how you spin it as a positive trait. We don't have the cringe reaction without understanding that someone has preformed something out of social expectations, we do not feel cringe without having known what it's like to misstep socially. It would never happen without knowing it feels bad and embarrassing. Without the tools to process empathy fully, people will shut it down, they will stop at "ick" and smother the deeper bubble of seeing themselves in that cringe thing in any way they can. The easiest way to stop being uncomfortable is to make light of it. So they start to associate cringe with humor. It feels good to laugh after a bad experience. The people watching these videos crave that low-high cycle.

There are very few art critique videos I watch and it's always by someone who's actually giving tips and being kind (like giving advice about how to map faces, point out how to better work with perspective, etc.). There are very few channels that do this, most instead do the 'roast', so I don't watch many critique videos at all.

i love how you share both sides of the argument in your videos, it is something i really appreciate in videos with people sharing their opinions. even if i see a video i don’t necessarily agree with, i still enjoy watching them. keep doing what you do and have a great day!

in case of like samdoesart, wouldn't the viewers stop submitting their art if they didn't like the way that he roasted them? 😭

Totally agree. Though some jokes can be funny and I don’t think making a few quips is bad, those videos get stale very quickly. I much prefer the videos where viewers submit art to be redrawn in places, and shown exactly what can make their art better with just a few tweaks! (Esp when it’s genuine and kind criticism) I personally find them super entertaining because it helps me with my art too lol

just found your videos and i’m really, really enjoying them. you’re very clear and deliberate with your wording and i really enjoy how calm you are. it’s really a breath of fresh air amidst a sea of comedy centric reactionaries making a knee jerk video for quick and easy drama views.

My favorites in this genre are sinixdesign and naoki saito, they’re pretty respectful and point out good parts of the drawing and also follow the original style as much as they can so the videos are really helpful cuz they explain what they’re doing to improve the original. I remember solarsands used to be really mean in his critique (he doesn’t do art videos anymore and moved on to philosophy stuff) but as a beginner, but his advice was really helpful and blunt.

FINALLY somebody acknowledges the fact that "Art Roast videos" are bad! I've personally given up on the art community if they make ONE art roast video since they're all tiring and made to be in on the trend of: "Haha your art sucks". (Not even going into my hatred for SamDoesArts... Ugh, i can rant about that channel sometimes...)

The only art roast content I generally watch is SamDoesArt I believe that the people submitting the art knows what is coming to them, plus, he does give good advice :’)

The only review channel i watch is naoki-sensei!! He's a really nice and wholesome guy, kind and constructive advice to art people submit to him for advice. He's japanese and for non-japanese speaking people might be put off, but theres eng subs. i reccomend him a lot! !

It's crazy how beginners and pros watch the same videos. There was a video Trent made where he assumed everyone knew the terminology. I was a complete beginner at the time and he commented on my comment. Big channel do teach beginners. You have a point.

I'd say a person who critiques someones art in a kind way is Love2DrawManga. She doesn't laugh and say rude things about a beginners art and actually gives useful tips right away in a respectable tone, unlike Kooleen, who just jokes for most of the time. Thank you for addressing this problem.

The funniest things is these self-claimed art professional people(especially Kooleen) are roast every art beginner drew "ugly" people but they cant roast professional art artist/designer where they have drew a great art

Art roasts are just bullying with "Its just a joke bro" mentality. Personally I love Naiki Saito's way of receiving praising the fans work and then gently teaching them how to bring out the best of their art :3 (He's the reason I can draw well enough to be commissioned so I'm a bit of a fan) His stuff if curious: www.youtube.com/@saitonaoki2

The only art critic/fixer I really respect and go into depth and treating their audience with reapect is Naoki Saito. He never once make fun of the art and provides tips and tricks based on the piece he's fixing

I agree with you, oh and I love the drawing you did it is adorable I love it and your style

Sinix is one of my favourite artists in YT, not because I particularly vibe with his art, but because he actually tries to put fort ideas yhat I haven't come accross. It also is tailor made for people like me who has a particular style~

In my opinion I don’t see any thing wrong with these videos as long as they roast people who are ok with it, people like koolen can be a bit harsh with there criticism but some people prefer that, I can understand that people might not like it but you should know what your getting into watching roasting videos

As much as I'm obviously not a fan of these in terms of the culture of younger artists specifically being subjected to this type of harmful criticism/roasting mentality, as it takes away from the fun of just creating regardless of how far you are in your art journey. That being said I watch some Art Roast videos I don't mind the ones that viewers willingly submit their works to. The whole point of a roast is to insult whether it's smart or not. I don't like when Roast videos are considered critiques or educational in anyway. Unless, like some videos they actually do both. Outside of art, a Roast is to insult and make jokes at the expense of the person being roasted the jokes and things that are pointed at arent supposed to be taken seriously and thats okay.

This was helpful for me to hear as a channel that actually does give meaningful feedback to my viewers without adhering to this format. Thanks for the perspective

The thing that most of these "fixing yout art" artist do is that they change the original artstyle and change it to their own. However I do recccomend Jackie Droujko and Love2DrawManga to watch cause they do give good advices and dont roast the artists, they ACTUALLY HELP them, something these artists don't do

I had this happen in a wip sharing chat I was in for artists. Worst part is it was done by someone who is considered a successful and popular artist. What really hurt was my Fiancé was also in that chat, and took their side where they both tore my art apart just because they wanted to be friends with them. Its taken me 6 years and I've only just started getting back into art because of the anxiety from it all.

i usually watch videos as podcasts but i looked at the screen and MY BBG FYODOR?!😭😭 i love it and also love the video:)))

Why do I get the feeling like I was super lucky when I was learning art. Haven't heard about any of these types of videos before on both KZfaq and Twitter, and all my art that I posted on Twitter didn't receive a lick of critique even to this day. Keep in mind that in the first year I took art seriously I posted something new every day for a year straight, and throughout all of it I only received one or two "That's cool" comments. Honestly not sure what's worse. Receiving only harsh negative criticism, or receiving no criticism. Because there were many times were I felt extremely demotivated after posting some art I spent a month of hard work getting it to look right, only for it to get barely any views and 0 comments. Only reason why I still keep going is that I like seeing myself progress and get better with my art, but man there's nothing worse then getting the feeling that you're going nowhere.

i get what you're saying but they're literally asking to get roasted. like, what else do you expect. and yeah, sure, you can say that it's mean but they're looking for it. they can't complain.

I get your point with how people are masking hate with criticism to get away with being dicks. THough the KZfaqrs(popular ones) who do it are pretty well meaning. I remember watching kooleen, samdoesart, and then becker when i was just beginning to take art seriously. I'm self taught and do better when someone's force feeding me information so at the time it helped seeing other people who were on the same level as me getting advise on how to improve. I'm in my 20s so i could tell that the "roasting" were just the KZfaqrs being entertaining while trying. togive notes. As I've progressed i stopped watching their videos a while back when i advanced since the content didn't really help anymore and the repetitive nature of their channels. Tho at the end of the day most people on those channels want to be there, they'll look back on it and cringe later in life but in the moment they want to be "roasted"

I never thought about how toxic art roasts could be. But I do see your point. A lot of them are very repetitive. I usually pay no mind to those types of videos but on the few occasions I have watched one... they've never struck me as “helpful”. I mean... if people want to get roasted, sure, whatever, have fun. Its also scary how drastically the art culture has changed online - where constructive criticism and roasting art are used interchangeably. They're not the same thing. Thank you for sharing your vid.

I wanted to make art roast videos because it looks fun and some artists find my critique useful. I guess it's the fact that it's specific criticism for a specific problem the artist has that makes it effective and it's not just going "this is bad, you should do this instead" without any deeper explanation. Last night I had corrected an artist who had a misconception on how arms work and I think what makes it effective is directly communicating with the artist to understand their problem. I think art criticism should be a conversation, not just one person monologuing on the right thing to do.

the problem of such content is partly in the people themselves, who continue to go to the author for "criticism" I'm not sure they're even really interested in correcting mistakes and getting better, but rather it's just "oh, this big man paid attention to me and everyone saw it." This is also a tendency to fanaticism from one author, who most often has a simple, pleasant style for most, and so they decide to go for "advice" to this person, who will give a maximum of a minute to explain your mistakes, instead of going to a three-hour lecture on KZfaq from a person who really knows a lot more and can teach The answer is very simple - these people have never been interested in personal progress, at least most of them

The first video you showed in your examples, from SamDoesArt, his videos are actually very constructive, i was afraid of them at first but he gives excelent tips, he's a little salty sometimes but his advice is actually constructive and very helpful!

Yo can I just mention how fvking cute your bear Fyodor drawing is? You almost made him sane and likeable 😂

Kooleen is a clout chaser she even claims it on her tag sam idk about much about him I’d would say he’s more nice If I remember correctly

Many people just wants to be a jerk under the guise of "criticism"

At the end of the day I think that Samdoesart doesn't really mean to be rude to his fans art. his fans said that they want to be roast but when he was roasting them he said that he didn't mean it to sound rude and that he is proud of us Improving but I think that Koolen is the one who is actually rude at this point, her "advice" was to draw pretty people cause you will get alot of likes. I never liked Koolen for her humor and advices she gave on KZfaq but at the end of the line she never said that it's for entertainment only that "her fans told her she can roast them", ofc no hate to you, you are proving points! Keep up the good work 💞💞💞

I was just thinking about this before I saw this video. I'm glad so many think the same. Creators are promoting making fun of artists just to 'educate', but it's not. Yeah some people actually do but it's just... People only think this is fine because it's from their favorite creators. But it's not.

I’ve been drawing since I was in kindergarten but didn’t take it seriously until my last two years of high school. I looked up what I could to improve because I WANTED to. I didn’t let others dictate what was right or wrong with my art because I only wanted to create. With every drawing I only manage to get better than I was before because I kept trying and had fun even if it wasn’t “perfect”. Yes I used many, many references but only because I WANTED to understand what I was making so it fit my vision. Draw for yourself and fuck what people want you to do with your art. Have FUN because that’s why art is so fluid. It’s a medium not a genre. Even now I create what the hell I want and I’ve seen progress without even trying. Only because I keep experimenting do I continue to draw and create art. My art teacher was my biggest supporter and helped push me to push my art.

I know this isn't the topic of the video but that drawing of fyodor is so cute 💞

Good video, agreed with everything said. A good way I like to do art criticism is the sandwich critique method. Start with a compliment, Say what can be improved, End with something positive again. I wish more artists took critique as a way to grow (assuming that is their goal), but I can see how the internet makes that impossible, which is too bad.

Have I got a story for you about unsolicited critique :'D A few years back, I was pretty active in a role playing group that held tournaments in a small city. I was not playing that time, just went there in support, so beforehand the group's founder asked if I had drawings that they could showcase on the walls, in that specific game's realm. I did, so I improvised a mini-gallery wall of traditional and digital drawings. It was not the focus of the event of course, just a small showcase that fit the theme and a last resort to have something on that wall cause no-one else had anything to put up there. I was also very insecure showing my art but the encouragement helped a lot and seeing people enjoy looking at it made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. As the day went on, I as someone who did not participate in the actual event, helped the staff and in the free time I had, worked on a drawing. This is where the fun part starts, cause I was approached by one of the judges, who had been at this point what you call a professional artist for a few years now, making book covers for the publisher that had the rights to the game the tournament was about. He was so professional that he improvised a crushing critique on the drawing I was doing, not even the finished stuff that was on display. He didn't asked if it was okay, if I needed help or anything. It was so invasive that I never again agreed to do a gallery wall for that event even years later. It also took a good while to draw again, and enjoy sharing my work. I still have second thoughts about it and it has been 8 years. Only recently had the thought of redrawing that piece.

It should never be ok to roast someone’s art, unless they want it in order to gain a following. We don’t know how other artists reach their abilities and drawing experience, and they might be self-conscience. For every negative, there needs to be positive reinforcement. Even if you want to be roasted, it needs to be respectful. It kind of makes the artist doing the roasts, look like a Narcissist.

god youre so right im so tired of those videos like theres a reason the art community is seen as so toxic 😭😭😭

A channel I believe does this sort of think right is Jackie Droujko: a professional artist who has worked/is working in the industry, and she focuses her segments with each art piece on how to improve the anatomy, colors, etc. She does it using Photoshop, so she can make these edits and fixes without essentially redrawing the art piece in an entirely different style. Her channel is VERY constructive to artists, so I recommend giving her a watch!

Finally glad to find others that also hate the art roasting videos, like those videos aren’t actually helping bc their always like “this sucks, anyways this other art piece sucks, quit now lol” ☠️☠️

Yeah even though the videos are “roasts” they’re not even funny ones. Honestly what made me step away from then was Kooleen teaching that horrible art rule and when she full on erased that one characters acne. As for Sam, I don’t find him funny and he has heavy same face syndrome so what’s to learn?

On your pint on people missing the point despite how obvious: Jena Moreci in one of her recent "Write With Me" live broadcasts brings that topic up. I forget if it was to answer a question or a segway, but she mentioned how a male reader complained about how the guys are dressed sexy and shirtless for a competition in an arena. She answered don't they do that for girls? His reply was yeah, in beauty contests. She answered back: So was the scenes he was complaining about and he finally got it. Even if you are as subtle as a falling anvil on your head, some people will still miss the point. Sometimes on purpose.

oh thank God someone made a video on this lol God bless hoomans ❤

I agree with this so much. I have basically nothing else to say to this. Some good critique videos I've seen from a youtuber are from Love2DrawManga. She explains what she THINKS is off and only "fixes" the parts that she mentions, like basic anatomy, shadow inconsistency etc. Also all the drawings are from willing participants. She also always gives comments on what the artist did well, which is extremely important.

I basically agree with you on everything even though I actually really enjoy some of the art roasting from some channels, I'm a beginner artist and sometimes I when I feel unmotivated to draw I actually watch some of Kooleen's videos to get in the mood of art, it might sound a bit weird but I don't actually like going on Pinterest or Instagram when getting motivated to draw, I think I get intimidated by all the skilled art with such great coloring and shading that I can't even understand how they did it. But in videos like Kooleen I can get in the mood to draw because I can understand her art style a bit better even if I can't draw like her I can understand it, might just be a personal thing, but also seeing other beginning artists is something I need when getting out of an art block, I don't have TIktok or Twitter and it's actually really hard for me to even find other beginner artists, like beginners in my skill range, and those art roast videos show those beginner artists, and that actually give me motivation because I can slowly stop hating myself for my art feeling like I'm the only one at this level. I'd like to point out that I watch other art videos that are teaching and giving real critic but like you said I watch channels like Kooleen for entertainment and for the other reason I mentioned. I also just think Kooleen herself is charming in the sense that she doesn't take art too seriously like yes sometimes it's problematic but I almost NEED that Kooleen mindset of "My art looks like shit, not a professional, but at least i added juicy lips" I take everything too seriously and it leads to burn out all the time but Kooleen's low brow humor somehow gets me out of the burn out 😭 That might just be me but I just wanted to share my opinion on the subject of art roast videos. I'm not one to mock another beginner artist or any artist no matter how skilled they are, but I will heavily hate on my own art. Somehow seeing other beginner artists who make similar mistakes as me get insulted just makes me more motivated to draw because it's almost as if they are insulting my art itself and it's almost refreshing in a way sense my brain is always the one insulting it, I feel like I'd rather be insulted by Kooleen in a her villain voice then constantly insulted by my own brain 👽👽

Hold up, is that Fyodor in the background?! HIS LITTLE HAT IS SO CUTE ❤

The best art critic I know has to be Jackie droujko or however you spell it because she gets people to show their art and ask her to critique/"fix" certain things in their art like anatomy or lighting and that's awesome because she's genuinely good at critiquing while still being nice

I remember when I was selling my art at my very first con (My art was not good, I didn't have a lick of talent) a couple people came up to my table and said "Ya know, art might not be your thing" Needless to say I was devastated but I wanted to draw and I wanted to get good. But then years later I started teaching drawing lessons and I ALWAYS encourage and motivate my students even if they struggle cause I never, ever want anyone to feel the way I did. Unfortunately social media has made it really easy to tear people down without ever having even met them...

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I appreciate the more nuanced and in-depth discussion on this topic you’re providing here, but personally I find myself disagreeing with your overall point that these videos are unhealthy for the art community. I’m just a rando artist who’s interested in furthering the discussion so please don’t interpret this as hate or anything. For one, it seems like you absolve these videos of being an issue after every point you make. E.g. you acknowledge that these videos are transparent in being edutainment, get consent from artists before using their art in videos, and are not responsible for how other people use their content to justify their own terrible behavior (like giving unsolicited critique). I’m left wondering what exactly the issue is at this point. It seems one point you make is that these videos might not clearly represent an actual “critique” in their videos which might be misleading, but I’d appreciate having some examples to represent these issues because most videos I’ve seen are decently clear about their critiques being unserious in favor of being more entertaining. If the argument boils down to people misunderstanding the exaggerated reactions in these videos as legitimate criticism, I think it’s fair to say there’s a line where it becomes the viewer’s responsibility to use their common sense in that scenario. Of course creators should do their best to acknowledge the intent of their video, and generally most creators I’ve seen meet that threshold. They include disclaimers (usually towards the end) and purposely exaggerate their reactions to a comedic degree to implicitly show how they don’t actually think the artwork is truly trash. If someone is unable to determine if their reactions are comedic or not and uses it as justification for their own bad behavior, it falls on the viewer’s poor observational skills, not the creator. With the points surrounding creators not critiquing more advanced art or not providing adequate criticism for advanced art, I think the issue is two fold and doesn’t necessarily indicate any malice on the creator’s part: 1) most art channels tend to have more of an inexperienced audience. This means more submissions will come from inexperienced artists. 2) Advanced artists might be less likely to submit their artwork since they’re aware the content is more entertainment-focused. Even when an advanced artwork is critiqued, I think it’s a bit unfair to say these creators are unable to critique it properly without some evidence outside the Kooleen situation. SamDoesArts typically does provide good critiques for semi-advanced artwork. He focuses a bit more on rendering and smaller anatomy mistakes from what I’ve seen, which is still useful. I agree they should do a better job of explaining their “fixes” though. However this is an issue that affects most artists giving short “tips and tricks” style videos. It’s borderline impossible to provide in-depth advice when you’re limited to a few minutes or less of focus on an art piece. It comes down to asking them to sacrifice potential revenue and viewership which is a hard sell (but I do agree is more ethical, it’s just not realistic for people making videos as a career.) From my understanding, you argue the main issue with these videos is that it _could_ promote bullying culture, but I personally disagree that we should shun certain types of videos because bad actors might take away the wrong message from them. This can happen with pretty much any medium, and I don’t believe creators should be punished for their viewer’s actions. But I respect the points you brought up and I’m still glad you made this video to raise awareness on how bullying via unsolicited art critiques is still an issue in the art community.

I feel like the main problem in these art fixing videos is the art style, each person's art style is different, some people draw realistic, some semi-realistic, others may draw in a cartoony art style, unless the art style is the same style as the person fixing the art, these fixing art videos will never work out

I love your content a lot and I think it can be extremely helpful at times and funny too! Honestly it seems to have become a trend to be at samdoesarts neck even though he isn't that bad? He has also constantly been trying to improve. I have been watching his content for a LONG time and it makes me kinda sad when people don't know the majority of his jokes/inside jokes with his viewers. It's totally okay for you or anyone else not to like his content! Many people have bad batches of content that are not very "kind" I'll say but specifically recently he has improved with his diversity of characters and attitude towards others. I believe people also don't realize that he indeed put in the work before his style change, he is a very skilled artist. He has lots to learn about how to treat art/other people, as do we all. I am in no way saying he is a god or that he has made no mistakes but it's a pretty far fetch for people to say all these extremely negative things about him. Honestly, at the end of the day he is also trying to make profit from his art, like many of us are, there's a lot to learn in the marketing journey of that. I hope people can calm down a little from hating on him so much to see through the online persona a little bit.

fyodor smiling.. in a non sadistic way, aww..

I honestly never liked “art roasting” videos tbh they were always kinda toxic Like i know its for entertainment purposes but at the same time it’s not even funny its just like “you cant draw this seek professional help” like what if i have stylized proportions its not gonna kill anyone

I used to watch SamDoesArt, although I wasn't really a fan of his roasting videos. I kinda felt like he wanted artists to draw in a specific style. If he likes that type of art, that's fine. Although not everything in art has to be realistic. That.. kinda ruins the point of art imo.

This is literally history repeating itself. Reminds me of when Junkie was in his hay day, like deviantart cringe stuff. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. :T

Your later point reminds me of the Dave Ramsey Show (Or personal finance shows in general). Most advice is really basic: Eat less in restaurants, don't finance a car that costs as much as your yearly salary, don't rack up consumer debt. This means that every person that calls in on these shows gets roasted but in the end hears the same thing: rice and beans and an extra job will do the "trick"

I think the best art "roasting" youtuber and the only one that does it right is Jackie Droujko Her tips are ACTUALLY useful she doesn't completely shifts the art and she is a professional working for Disney

I'm a designer and feedback has helped alot with my design works

One art KZfaqr who is really good at critique videos is Love2DrawManga. She never roasts the submissions, instead complimenting each and every picture and explaining things that she likes about each piece, before pointing out mistakes in a respectful manner and explaining how the original artist can fix them. Sometimes she edits or paints over the pictures in order to visually explain her point, while keeping in mind the original artist's styles and never trying to change the style to suit her own. Really, the only artist she ever "roasted" is herself as an April Fools video, and she made sure that everyone who watched the video knew it was a joke.

I think Challa's Art Toasting series was on the better side of art roast genre and provided actual educational value even for an intermediate artist such as myself.

I was so focused on what you"re talking about that I didn't realise that the character in the speedpaint was Fyodor wearing a bear hat and bear paws.