You got a point there!

I mean it be easier if they were Talented enough to make Something themselves

If you dont like the canon go write your own shit, its simple as that.

You have to comprehend the rules and limitations fully to then be able to break them creatively or successfully. They are incapable of knowing or respecting the lore and subsequently they break the rules intentionally as well as accidentally in spectacularly horrendous fashion.

Definitely

Far more true than it should be.

Based and sad comment.

Yes.

I'd have asked why not make a complete new IP? You could write literaly anything you like.

This really puts it perfectly. Sacrificing canon for writing is even worse when the quality is STILL awful!

I’d be happy to watch some original work, if it was well made and didn’t try to preach to me about some sort of weird propaganda that I don’t buy into.

Unfortunately problem has another big hurdle that isn't always the writers fault - studios only being willing to bank on existing IP. Half of these writers, who should not be touching something they don't themselves cherish, don't get the opportunity to make something original in this climate. Not to mention, plenty of people have added to canon they didn't care for, but were able to treat it with enough respect to still make a worthwhile contribution. It doesn't happen anymore though, due to everyone's need to push 'the message'.

@@griffbloodax1005 the need to spread 'the message' has gotten extremely out of control.

You got it

I think a problem is the market being the determining factor in what gets reach. Theres a logic to it: popular stuff gets made. So you want to write something new, but the suits dont want new. They will only hire for established brands. Its the toxic situation of businesses dictating art.

I've literally never heard someone call Tolkien's work Thin, for most people the argument is it's TOO thick, which at least has a valid point because whether something is "too much" is completely subjective

They use thin not to mean "without substance, shallow", they mean "lacking the elements I am interested in, without enough DEI or women"

@@christophertaylor9100 i don't know what are DEI, but women... Arwen, Luthien, Eowynn, Dis, Galadriel, Elbereth, Yavanna...

@@annasolovyeva1013 DEI = "diversity, equity, inclusion". And anyone who would claim that Tolkien lacks diversity has clearly never read his work, or else has an incredibly restrictive and superficial definition of diversity.

@@xshiromorix ikr...calling fantasy world of midlle earth filled with many races (elves, human, hobbits, dwarves, etc) yet they called lacked diversity?? Its just like calling chinese race have not enough negro in them so they created negro chinese to fill them.

In other words, everyone is wrong but them. Pity that didn't help them with views so it proved the point we were making all along with ROP, no matter the attacks on us for their choice to culturally appropriate our culture which according to them is a big no no, yet insulted us for objecting. We see straight through their hypocrisy now so the ist/phobe attacks fall on deaf ears. The numbers appear to speak for themselves no matter how much they hide them from us.

Nailed it.

Because evil cannot create, it can only corrupt

Because of their terrible scripts. No one will watch their slop so they need an already popular IP to pull in enough fans so that Hollywood might make a profit.

Leftists cannot create due to their hivemind.

@@elatrocidad5953 exactly

@@elatrocidad5953 well Said.

It hit so fuckin hard because its so true.

They aren't talented enough to even use their creativity to create a fun experience that IS canonical. Oh no, that would require too much thinking.

The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book of the Bible you chose yourself. It’s an important bare minimum effort mark. Remember that as you do it’s the inner work Jesus Christ taught that’s the most important. Start with forgiveness. If you never put the teachings into action it never clicks. Please trust me. Jesus Christ is the way truth and life.

That and the fact that it is incredibly difficult to create a new IP and get it on the air is probably another reason why they go for already established IPs.

@@jacobthompson9181 sounds like a them problem. Not really an excuse to fuck our entertainment up.

There's still people who make fanfiction of Buffy the vampire slayer, Ranma 1/2 and a lot of older IP, that don't have anything official released in a while. And even if what they make isn't canon compliant, you know they like the series and want to make something for the Fandom. Otherwise they wouldn't make it. Yet these guys get paid to ruin the series that others love, it's a twisted kind of hate that I can't relate to, if I dislike something I just don't watch or read it, at worst I'll write a review/comment about what I didn't like. Not attack others for liking it.

@@redbard4300 Well said, I agree completely. If these writers only honored the work and made a good faith attempt -- really just had a good attitude, it would change everything. If they actually succeeded in faithfully bringing it to life, we would follow them anywhere. But no, they're high on themselves; they don't feel a need to earn trust.

Some of the fanfics I've read are longer than the actual source material, I respect a lot of these writers since they usually end up writing original stuff later on, Royal Road is full of original works too, simply put, if you want good stuff don't bother watching anything Hollywood puts out, you'll find better written films on KZfaq.

It is what happens when you give talentless people power they don't earn or deserve.

Younger generation is famous for being the biggest narcissists in a long time.

@@Falconlibrary the biggest since the older generation! 👍

@@Falconlibrary I'd argue it's the older ones that have had their position for years living in echo chambers.

@@Dravianpn02 According to a recent study published in the open-access scientific journal Plos One, Millennials and Gen Zers are the most self-absorbed generation by far and by their own admission.

At least in the western world. It seems to not be as bad in Japan in regards to manga and anime, although that's more because it's a hyper competitive system where you HAVE to make thing work.

It’s not just creative bankruptcy; that’s only part of it. These people want to destroy everything that came before, so that they can build _their_ legacy where it all once stood. Kylo Ren’s infamous “let the past die, kill it if you have to” was an insight into their whole worldview.

The first test to determine if an ip is one you as a writer can write for is to submit a script that could be an episode for the show you want to work on to the production team - this requires the writer to research and understand the context of the existing storylines. The production team is supposed to know the lore back to front to know if you grasp the material and the concept enough to be an asset to the show, it's as basic as it gets. This bucking of this foundational rule suggests that there's a contract in place to hire already unionised writers and they have to be given work, the only thing that makes sense

Brought to you by the world that produced such gems as Syndicate FPS and X-Com third person shooter. Once again I can only dream of serving these people piss from a Cognac bottle and acting baffled at why they don't like it.

@@JustAnArrogantAlien "Fail to understand the past, and you will never see the future" That's what a Vulcan professor says to a couple of students at Starfleet Academy in "Elite Force 2" because they could not understand why adhering to old knowledge is still important in order to understand modern propulsion. But that same logic could apply also to this situation. Just imagine what would happen if we give these writers a free hand, how many classical works would be destroyed because modern writers want free hand in how they can alter them and change them for "modern audiences" because they know it all so much better than all those writers that came before them. I shudder at the thought of what they would do to such timeless classics like Homers' "Illiad", Dumas' "Three Musketeers" or Mark twain's "Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn" to name but a few, just because their goddamn ego get's in the way and they think they can do a better job at writing than such renowned authors.

I stopped writing fanfic way back when because it can be harder than writing your own stuff, especially when you're not just having fun and genuinely want to be accurate.

I wasn't into fanfic until this new wave of franchise shit and I wanted to rewrite it

As an active Fan Fiction writer, I ALWAYS keep to what's cannon, and what's not cannon I make my own. Write a Crow Story? Keep the powers, the limitations and the achilles heel, anything else is yours. Idk about you but that's a lot of grey area to play around in

The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book of the Bible you chose yourself. It’s an important bare minimum effort mark. Remember that as you do it’s the inner work Jesus Christ taught that’s the most important. Start with forgiveness. If you never put the teachings into action it never clicks. Please trust me. Jesus Christ is the way truth and life.

@@jamesmayle3787 God was very forgiving of Cain in Genesis, cursed him and his kids to live in sin and eventually drowned them.

And it's even easier. All the groundwork is already done. They have no excuse, pure hubris.

I'd argue that IPs end up being successful because you limit yourself, for example always considering how a character might react to something at a certain point on his journey. If you want that character consistency then you have to work within these limits, the freedom then comes in the form at what kind of obstacles you might be able to put in their path, though even here if you go crazy you just end up with an inconsistent world, and that's something that people will generally pick up on.

Spot on, tbf Canon is most of the ground work done for you, you can concentrate more on character development and story than the world building and logic that needs to exist in that world. I find it absolutely baffling that these Writers are moaning about canon. I guess its because they are more interested in putting across their own selfish views and stories rather than trying to build on what has been made before. Its just motivated by narcissism. That or its lazy-ness - both are as bad as each other. And the sad thing is that there are so many talented writers out there that would kill to have their jobs and would do such much better in their position and it makes me angry that in so many of our shows/movies etc there are Writers put in charge that don't care about source material, imagine something like She Hulk or ROP put in the hands of a super talented fan. Check out how good ROP could have been by looking at "Tolkien Untangled" YT channel - he has a series of videos where he writes how the ROP should've been done. Him or a person with that same passion and love for the source material are the people who should be in charge of our shows/movies.

Your addendum is key, and as Disparu said, I am more and more convinced these writers hate the source material. They see it as a means to an end, they aren’t writing from a place of love.

Seems like Peter Jackson and team really loved working on the LOTR trilogy for that reason. Though some of their changes were not good.

Chances are they do not understand the phrase because they misunderstand love and the concept of love itself.

Showruinners: "love??? give me a second to look up this word."

To a psychopath, love means doing everything you want and ignoring what everyone else wants.

Correct. The real interpretation would be if a writer really was worthy to write the story, bene if they were set free and didn't need to adhere to cannon, they would anyhow. Out of love and respect.

They deliberately ignore the second half of that saying about if it comes back to you then the relationship is true.

"we have no material to work with" proceeds to ignore several 100 volumes of comics, novels and game lore... even butchering established novel and comic character which was totally 100% original...

Me too omg the eu was my favorite

Obviously, we need more troll gatekeepers in Panama hats.

Though not gonna lie, was kinda worried at first because my first thought was of Butterfingers ...

Only the people that need to be gatekept complain about gatekeeping

I think, from what I've heard, Amazon doesn't have access to The Silmarillion where the story for the Rings of Power would be. So they had to work with what little is in the Appendices ultimately just making things up as they go along. I could be wrong though.

Oh they didn't get it because the narrative wasn't blatantly spelled out for them. Narrative subtlety is almost entirely lost on hacks

"God?"

@@mannxj130 Yes my child?

@@imkuntox Nothing important, hhhfff. Just confused if he/she/they/them were actually saying "god" and not "good."

@@mannxj130 Kyle's preferred pronoun... doesn't matter, but he meant "hhhfff forbid"

@@imkuntox I see.

The closest I can think about are corrupt governments, they deprive population of any means of having a strong economy or defend themselves, and then start to label everybody as enemy of their revolutionary government. These dictatorships are not industries, but these companies that don't rely on customers but politics certainly have stopped to function as industries.

politicians have somehow managed to blame their own failures on people who don't even live in the state, much less vote in their municipal and county and state elections. imagine that, the two most influential pillars in society, media-politics use the exact same playbook to divide and conquer. at some point, hopefully, people figure it the fck out.

Yeah like the spoil brats they are, they refuse accountability.

these writers are morons being overpaid sitting behind massive NDLs. they do exactly what they are told. assuming that they are the THEY of consequence in the equation, is not seeing the equation. if we're being honest, then let's move past step 1. This is going on years now, billions in lost profits, billions in lost good-will. over and over and over, every studio, every time. this is a TOP DOWN agenda, if it were not, it wouldn't exist still, it's as simple as that. Can you think of a single time that the heads of the Studios ever even once called out their failures, called out the damage being done to their most valuable assets, ever once stood up for the fans when the writers and directors and cast members were engaged in PR campaigns that over and over backfired and caused even more damage to the assets? no. you cannot. i don't mean to be dismissive...but suggesting this is a result of a writers issue is like thinking systemic oppression is caused by the one's fellow citizenry. It's idiotic and serves specifically as a cover for those who have the real blame.... the ones with the most to gain and most to lose

"I became a writer to tell MY stories.. why do I have to respect the universe I want to write about?"

No worries. With that attitude I'll watch anything you're a part of.

No thanks. Don't know where you’ve been. 🦞🤢🤮 But seriously, a lot of this spawns from Financialization and the need for company executives to hit quarterly goals for performance bonuses and increase their stock dividends. This leads to companies only betting on a sure thing, hence why they only want to go after established IPs and ignore new creations.

You're a film student, not a snob. The snobs are the ones ruining stories.

Sounds like your film teacher actually cared. I can’t say the same for a lot of other film and writing classes these days.

@@silverscorpio24 Thank you 🙏🏾

These writers are like children whose parents won’t let them draw on the walls. “Drawing on walls isn’t wrong! Mommy is wrong for not letting me be free!”

I spat out my water. Holy fuck, lol

Works for Disney, am I right?

We meet again, Jack Burton

We got a problem. Cuntface O’Kiddyrapist is my new name for Kathleen Kennedy. Can you call yours Cuntface O’Kiddyrapist II. I probably thought of this first, so that’s fair.

Brilliant! I look forward to this new take on Andrew’s, er, Cuntface’s IP.

Let these platforms die and maybe the next version will be palatable

That's racist.

@@WeAreInYourWall I hope you're joking

@Nelson Foster You’re trolling, right?

@@JustAnArrogantAlien obviously.

Yeah Like If I were writing the Obi Wan Show rather than what we got which would be entirely set on Tatooine and inspired by a combination of Yojimbo and Unforgiven, Highlighting Kenobi‘s PTSD and having him go on a smaller scale story dealing with the darker side of the Star Wars galaxy with Tatooine!

@Sabizos Morgoth definitely wasn't pure chaos; he represented domination / oppression, in contrast to Sauron who represented order / control. The most "chaotic" thing about Morgoth was his ability to corrupt. From the maiar and other spirits, to the elves and men, to even the discord in Eru's music, Morgoth was the original corruption (Sauron's skill at corrupting is extremely limited by comparison).

I had this as another comment but I think it fits so well that I wanna post it again: Sauron starts off as a classic ambitious, capable junior partner--when Morgoth had a vision, Sauron bought in because when Morgoth split from the parent company, he offered greater mobility and some real responsibility. Sure, Morgoth was chaotic and petulant, but he had a creative vision that was fresh and inspiring and Sauron was hooked. The two of them balance each other. Sauron is a process guy. He's second to none technically and an excellent crafter, but Morgoth has the creative juice. Morgoth comes up with things that just boggle Sauron's mind: self-replicating little monsters that make their own machines? Flying flamethrowers that seek out gold? Genius! Sauron dosen't have Morgoth's sheer creative talent because his need for control stifles any creativity. Maybe there's resentment and conflicted feelings in Sauron. Despite his loyalty and admiration for his senior partner, maybe he feels frustrated by his mentor's histrionics. In the meantime they do great things. Terrible, but great. When Morgoth is finally exiled, Sauron is lost. He didn't realize how wrapped up he had gotten in the culture of Morgoth. The other Valar make a convincing argument that he needs to reign himself in and take responsibility for his evil. Evil? Sauron didn't stop once to think about the morality of what he was doing. He was Daedalus building the Labyrinth--for all his flaws, Morgoth gave him the space to use his talents without fussing over things like "morality". But the other Valar and Maiar make it clear: there's only one team, and it's Team Eru Illuvatar. You're either on the team, or you're not. Without Morgoth, Sauron is miserable. He's a caged panther in a petting zoo, crackling with restless energy. He becomes resentful of the other Valar and Maiar, whose creations seem to be favored while Morgoth never really got a fair shake. Meanwhile his mentor and only real friend is gone, the only one who gave him a chance for self development and saw the potential in him for something more. And the other Valar have the nerve to moralize to Sauron about 'atonement'. They lecture him about how Morgoth didn't 'respect' the other Valar's precious little shit creatures now running around on their own, like they actually matter. The Valar show more concern for their shiny little ant farms than what should be their own family. Sauron starts thinking: would it have really killed the Valar to just include Morgoth? Would it have been really that bad to just accept a little bit of diversity in their 'music'? Those are the thoughts that lead Sauron to say, "No. You don't get to lecture me about the only person who respected my potential and treated me like a partner." So he strikes off on his own, a junior partner picking up his mentor's business. He doesn't have Morgoth's creative juice, but he's a process guy. All he needs is a little help. Something to buff his stats if you will. Luckily, crafting is right in Sauron's wheelhouse, and Eru's stupid creations might just be desperate enough to make a deal...

"Moth to a film"?

@@ApocGenesis Wow amazing analysis.

you know sauron could be lying? he is not called The deceiver for nothing he pretty much switched up his tactics because he couldn't convince Galadriel.

If you like Disparu, what about "Some More News"?

To be fair to the people the article is talking about, that sounds more like a brainstorming sessions were the 'does it fit?' question is more of a have i fucked up or can we use this? but the article writter is a clown that interpreted the question as 'why have the fans tied down my creatativity, my soul is wounded, oh woe is me, why won't the fans just let me have james bond and gandalf make love on the bridge of the enterpise while luke skywalker knits sweaters in the corner?'

Well, not really. Most fan-fic is at least written by people who have knowledge and affection for the originals. lol

they're the bad fanfiction writers - the ones who think their stories are better than the source by default. they're a loud minority. the other fanfiction writers (like me) want to respect canon with our stories

Fanfictions are two-sided I guess you can say. They're not all horrendous like they're made to seem. I've read some really good ones that could honestly stand to be a good addition to the world of the original. I've also read really bad ones that are cringe or just not well written. For me, fanfiction has been a stepping stone to the real thing. I've written fanfiction before. My first one sucked, and I learned from the mistakes I've made and tried again and this time, I've noticed it's gotten better and now I've actually got enough original content that I can separate it from the IP and am trying to fill in gaps and rework the story to work as a completely original story that I hope to publish someday

@@jneumy566 awesome! I wish you all the best with that, as a fellow fanfiction writer :) By the way, what fandom do you write for?

@@minion3806 How to Train Your Dragon. Specifically, because I don't trust myself to write the characters' personalities right and do them justice, I invented new characters and a story for them and worked that into the pre-existing story of the movies and shows. And I've realized with a bit of extra work, I can take the story I wrote for my OC's and separate it from How to Train Your Dragon and turn it into its own original thing

There is another problem with Hollywood, which is the fear of the new. When people make their own stuff, like Ryan Johnson, it works, but them trying something pre established, like Star Wars, is a disaster. I think a lot of writers have to join pre established IP shows because nobody cares about their original IP, but they are not adaptation writers, so it fails.

That's the worst part. So many talented people in love with the source material would die to be in these fraudsters' shoes.

I was looking forward to Wheel of Time so much. It turned out so bad.

I am torn. If Robert Jordan was alive he would be like George RR Martin. But at the same time at least he is not alive to see how they gutted his story.

What story? That series got so big it collapsed under it own weight. I don’t think I made it past book 8 or 9.

Yes. And mb I also tried to write fanfiction and it never got any traction - or I was told it was crap, 'cause fandom sometimes just isn't nice (depends on fandom, but... yeah, can happen). But some such scorned authors have gone and made a name for themselves with new material, and some... well, write such articles.

Not sure I want to see that. It would be like selling tickets to watch a bunch of grown adults beating the living crap out of a pair of children... Hey! I didn't say we absolutely positively definitely shouldn't, just that I wasn't sure!

oh yeah cream em good

Its the only new star wars that i've bought i have OSWt, PSWt and R1 the rest can ----off

@@ProjeKtWEREWOLF one of, if not the best, droid in star wars

Remember the wall street bull and the feminist company (for a stunt) adding a defiant girl later totally changing the original mean of bull. (Which was a gift from the sculpture btw)

To be fair, a lot of major media entertainment is no longer creating new stories, it is adapting these existing IPs. The people getting writing jobs are taking what jobs are available. Of course, the problem for them is whether they could take a truly new world from inception to production and make a good story with it even if they had the chance.

Let's change the color of the sand, that will make everything better.