Daemon Fulgrim has actually been depicted as a model... in Epic 2nd Edition.

I don't think resin Fulgrim means we won't get a plastic one, the forge world character series are a lot more "realistic" than the 40k plastic ones as they tend to be more cartoonish you can see this especially with Angrons new model

A plastic Fulgrim will likley still happen, just as a new resin angron, magnus, and mortarion will be released. Similar to how there used to be resin and plastic greater demons

I figured Slaanesh was doomed back during the start of AOS when Archaon's dragon only had 3 heads

My idea: 40k fulgrim will not come out until this fulgrim hit the store, otherwise 40k version will steal all the attention

So the material is perfect for highly detailed models, but more fragile and expensive af Well... At least it fits the character lol

I think since they are doing all of the primarchs again in HH, they did Fulgrim first as a feeler to see how the user base would react to it. If the rumors are true, and he's supposed to make an appearance at the end of 10th, he's already being designed and tested now. It's a free way to get buzz going for EC.

I think that because Forge world have been retiring a lot of their medium-large kits they probably wanted something new in that size range to fill the gap left behind. I also think that a daemon Lorgar or Perturabo would've been far more appropriate because their chances of coming to 40k are far lower.

Love Dave's little lore videos, i could just listen to him talk for hours while i paint

This was basically chat/the community reaction: Fulgrim announced 🤯 30k only 😬 Resin 🤬

Ya know what? I think that we would've had this problem regardless of when FW released Fulgrim if they didn't hold off until the Plastic Emperor's Children came out. Since we don't know when that's coming out, if ever, FW might've just decided to bite the bullet and release Fulgrim now.

Injection molded plastic "high initial tooling costs" could be off set by actually selling the product. But everything seems to be limited run and either out of stock or never to be reproduced. If your product sells out in minutes you need to be firing someone. I dont know why but they simply dont produce enough stock.

Pretty sure, that plastic Flugrim will come rather soon, but only after the 40k EC fans have bought the expensive resin modell. Then they can announce the plastic modell and people will buy a second Fulgrim. GW will be like: stonks 📈

He has been a model before, as an Epic 40K model that is so cute.

I think one of the biggest key differences between Horus Heresy and 40K is the artistic style of the models. All Horus Heresy models look somewhat more realistic, even their demons. So the Fulgrim here matches that.

GW doesn't always make sense, but it does try to make cents... Also as a comparison the Blood Bowl rumors were spot on. Took almost a year between releases, but we did get a Vampire team with a Big Guy

Far right theory: They haven’t released a plastic Fulgrim model yet because they are trying to figure out a way to bring him back as a loyalist Primarch.

I couldn't help but notice Dave's arm getting covered more and more in that snowy flock 😂

Love the video and thank you for the explanation, helps a lot to think about buying the model. It would be nice to have new models for the Emperor's Children. What's up with wobbly cam?

Just before you said resin I was saying in my head "the only thing thatll stop me buying it is if its resin" but lately with forgeworld they arent finishing the 3d printed masters and leaving very ibvious layer lines on very expensive minis

I’m just happy my Twitch chat entry made it into a TableTop Time video 😂❤

These pros and cons of models are very helpful, thanks

I have a playlist of your lore videos like this to listen to while working in class - and even though I can't really have an opinion on releases either way - it's interesting to hear from mega fans. I dont paint a *lot* of warhammer, but Ive had several resin D&D minis meet their crumbeled fate from falling off my desk, or even just tipping over. I love them for their details and beauty, and hate them for how clumsy I can be. While I completely understand my accidents arent anyone else's fault, I definitely see the anxiety around a really big, resin model. Really interesting video! Id like to see more opinionated "talk with me" videos : )

Rumours can be a lot of fun, but as you say, one has to take them with a grain of salt. I was really worried that the soap "box" was going to explode!

I think the big thing causing anger is just it being Forge World in general. If you look at announcements for The Old World people are angry there too. The community just for the most part doesn't want Forge World stuff.

FW: ''Here is a road map for the next few months that includes a corrupted resin traitor primarch for the Horus Heresy to be announced at this time period.'' *FW Does exactly that* 40k players: ''We've been tricked, we've been backstabbed and we've been quite possibly bamboozled.''

i love these kinds of videos!

I have no idea what Dave is talking about. Mostly I’m here for the mini painting and battle reports. But I watched the whole video in support of TTT. I would like to say something about the lighting and how centered Dave is in the video. Gosh you have done so much better in the past. And the going back and forth from hand held camera to tripod. Cutting off the top of Dave’s head. Once more for the bad lighting. I did like that he was standing with the Space Bears set. So cool. Can’t wait for that to happen. Seriously I love TTT so much. Really do.

Take it as it comes, it's a fun hobby regardless of new releases. Existing stuff is awesome 😉

Emperor's Children and anything Slaanesh related is too "spicy". Muderous blood soaked psychopaths of World Eaters? Ok. Constantly puking and diarrhea of Death Guard? Ok. Twisted magic of Thousand Sons? Ok. Sexiness and suggestivness of Emperor's Children? Oh noes, we can't make our minatures lewd!!

the only thing that I'm wondering is: would that mini survive a battle report between jazza and dave? *flashback to the last time they had resin minis with wings hitting the floor*

I think resin Fulgrim falls fully in line with the Ascended Primarchs, I think 30k is going to tackle the siege of terra towards the end of the edition. What’s going to inform 40K Fulgrim design more is how Ascended Angron, Magnus and Mortarion come out. If there’s a blend of 30k aesthetics with the pure daemonic mutations (ie wings) in their design then 40K Fulgrim could be radically different from even the Daemonic 30k sculpt. I wouldn’t be deflated, just patient. I can honestly see EC coming in 10th, TS came in late 7th, DG came in 8th and WE came in late 9th. Late 10th seems ideal for them.

I want to believe that there's still a chance for a plastic Emperor's Children and Fulgrim , he may look like different than the resin one but I feel like we're getting a possible preview. It's wishful thinking but I think something positive needs to come from Resin Fulgrim other than how awesome he looks

I love working with resin! Fulgrim is not that bad to work with. I also love the Creature Caster stuff. It's amazing and fun to work with. Get Good!

Dave quit leaning on the snow! lol

This is second daemon Fulgrim mini. First was the Epic model.

On the other hand, if you are happy to deal with resin you just scored a kickarse temporary bringer of change proxy.

Loved the comment about the danger of resin dust, too often in this community we look over just how hazardous some of the materials we work with are, especially bad for new people who might be unaware

I remember overhearing some people complain about forge world models and I didn't understand why. I've watch you guys use forge world models just fine. Thank you for explaining the reason why forge world isn't for everyone

Resting your arm on a snowy piece of terrain with a black hoodie was a mistake. Look at your sleeve now!

After a certain size point with resin stuff it basically becomes a garage kit. Lovely for display but playability you really would have to be careful. D: That model *is* super gorgeous though.

Im just making druchii bodies with resin but i still buy the boxes for the arms.

Are you guys ever gonna make 5e related content (as in things that give off dungeons and dragons)

I still have hope that we'll get a 40k plastic EC range at some point. It just will be 3yrs down the line towards the end of the edition, along with either Russ or Khan for the loyalists!

I am completely our of the loop of most of the ins and outs of individual GW models and the lore behind them, but man this was still fascinating to listen to.

I see this as GW giving us a chicken wing when we wanted the rotisserie chicken, it conforms my thoughts that's 10th edition release for CSM will focus on Huron and a new plastic models, we might get Emperor's Children in 11th edition

A traitor guard release would probably get me back into 40k. I already have over 60 cultists/traitors kitbashed and painted for my necromunda helot chaos cult. I only play SW Legion at the moment.

Can't deny that fan expectations were a big problem here. GW said a Primarch was coming for 30K, and there's never been confirmation of a plastic EC range happening, just one or two allusions to Fulgrim in-lore, the same old rumours that people have been parroting since 2016, and people seeing a pattern when GW doesn't always follow through with those anyway (remember Codex: Alien Hunters? Me neither). But here we are. And I'm glad Fulgrim's in resin/by FW, honestly, for all the medium's issues (which are mostly - but not entirely - FW quality control issues, not resin issues, honestly). There'd just be too many design compromises to make him work in plastic, and he'd probably end up looking way more cartoonish if he had been. IMO, the plastic daemon primarchs look like they stepped out of a comic book, thanks to the sculpting style GW has moved towards since they started doing all their stuff in CAD-designed plastic (which I'm sure has a lot to do with it working better in plastic than more organic styles). Fulgrim, on the other hand, looks like he slithered out of a Renaissance painting made by someone who was way too fond of hallucinogens, since they can sculpt without having to worry about whether an overhanging detail will snag on the mould and break off.

We are almost certainly getting a 40k Fulgrim eventually. My worry is what could they do that this release doesn't? before this release my ideal fulgrim would be almost exactly this model but in plastic. and maybe feathered wings. And after that jewelist pun i guess i can see there is more potential after all.

You recieve my spittle good sir for your defamation of resin as a modelling medium. I've only ever had minor issues with FW resin, and like 90% of my army is resin.

He's technically not daemon primarch yet. he's ascended Primark. he's in the middle

Fulgrim is one of my favorite characters in 40k and all I’ve wanted was a 40k faction for the emperor’s children and it seems like I’m gonna be waiting a while now

Great video! Extra shakey cam made me nauseous though so had to podcast listen, but a really good breakdown of the situation. It's a great model and will look gorgeous on a display shelf but it's not realistically a playable miniature with those wings and too expensive to break pricetag.

Dirty chaos needs representation as well. Should have been a 30k resin and 40K plastic at the same time

to your final point, that people are upset that they think this means he isnt coming in plastic, i have to disagree, at least for myself. im sure he will be along in plastic in the next year or four. I think the problem is that the reveal didnt mention the game system until we'd had a chance to really bask in the model's glory. if it had opened with the horus heresy logo, it would have been a very different story. additionally, knowing that a plastic one will eventually come, and seeing how perfect this sculpt is (at least in my eyes), i feel a bit let down by the probability that the plastic kit just wont look nearly as good as the resin one.

11th edition box set Loyalist Fulgrim and his Sons of the Phoenix Vs, Demon Fulgrim and his Emperor's Children.

it's not that it's resin, it's the fact that it's forgeworld. you pay a premium price for: mould slips, bubbles, release agent that can't be removed and of course.....warping. So many companies produce perfect defect free resin minis i wish forgeworld would up their game and lower prices. RANT OVER!

One day we will get traitor guard dave, one day. Until then I'll still use mine as normal guard

GW hinted at a primarch reveal for HH and we literally just got Angron and a World Eaters refresh in less than a year for 40k. I dont see how people could be upset that we didnt get EC or fulgrim now. But I will say GW could have chosen any other primarch other than Fulgrim right now. Now what would be a shock is if its not in fact EC and Fulgrim we get in 10th but Perty and the iron warriors in plastic representing the Dark Mechanicum since they are essentially one in the same. That would be the slap in the face for EC fans for sure

The resin fulgril looks like he's at a smaller scale

More than fulgrim, this video made me want chaos guard even more.

Another banger ❤

Chaos primarchs and factions bookmark editions and herald a new one, we aren’t at the end of this edition.

"STOP COCKBLOCKING ME!" -Dr. Ivo Robotnik

Heresy only + resin + it’s going to likely be 300-400 aud. It’s that simple.

Please someone correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t there already a daemon primarch Fulgrim but for another GW game? I remember seeing pictures of models for each of the 4 chaos god aligned legions (defiantly very old looking) and it looked like they were in some magazine. Were these a third party thing or fan made sculpts and not official? If they were official game pieces then this wouldn’t be the first time we’ve seen deamon primarch Fulgrim.

Cons: - Not for 40k - Resin - He wing too big he gonna break Pros: The door is open to make an even more twisted and daemonic Fulgrim in the future This is Fulgrim at the end of the Heresy, so 10,000 years is plenty of time for him to transform into something even more hideously beautiful I wanna see something absolutely over the top and extreme Give him a gorgeous, perfectly sculpted face, or a mask reflective of that former appearance, on a demented, hideous Keeper of Secrets body with an enormous coiled Naga tail Make his model ripe with intricately sculpted fine detail, while simultaneously being something genuinely unsettling to look at Just as Slaanesh would want

I'm actually excited to see how much more extreme and excessive a 40k Fulgrim might look in comparison to this ascended model.

I honestly don't feel like this release conflicts with plastic fulgrim. I wouldn't expect the EC range to get released before 2025, or more likely 2026 anyways. Until then they're going to release multiple Ascended models. I don't know how many ascended primarchs there are going to be, i assumed its only going to be chaos primarchs, that ascended during the heresy. But that might be wrong. So i feel like, it might actually make sense to do fulgrim first, to get the maximum time inbetween of plastic and resin fulgrim. When fulgrim comes out, this model might be 2 or 3 years old. Also on a design-perspective, it would make sense to start working on plastic fulgrim at the end of the design-process of resin fulgrim. They now have a design to build upon.

Dead Ferrus is going to be a great model

Interesting to pick the mcfarlane action figure for the injection molded plastic example and not a mini

I believe plastic Fulgrim and emperors children are coming, if you look at the current trend with they're releases its at the end of editions, we only just got Aggron. So I'm guessing end of 10th in 3 years we'll finally get Fulgrim.

I have a feeling that 2025 is going to see a big release for Aldari, Drukari and Slanesh in 40K in some sort of big story line. The Earliest any of these will be out is summer 24 but I think they will hold off a bit longer as a lot of minis are needed for all 3 factions. No proof of this just my gut feeling is all.

1. I have a homebrew white scars successor that fell to slaanesh and are sort of a chaos biker gang, so outriders and noise marines from the emperor's children would be sick! 2. OMG, get a tripod hahaha sorry, the hand held cam shake was making me dizzy lol

I‘m just mad at Dave for leaning on the Spacebears board!

With the size of those Wings, it gotta be because of a plastic shortage.

He shown up finally but he will run away again if Rylanor comes to plastic muahaha ;D , great video

I was in the disappointment camp as well, but not for very long. Because it didn’t make sense to me that GW would give us the Plastic Emperors Children right now of all times. First, GW released a roamap that told us all of the upcoming releases for the year, Emperors Children was nowhere on it, so that told me right away that we shouldn't expect news on it for 6 months at the barest minimum. Frankly, Im surprised you didnt mention the roadmap at all in the video, to me at least it feels like pretty important evidence. Secondly, GW had revealed a bunch of new Loyalist Marines in the very same livestream, even if one is Imperium and the other is Chaos, theyre still 40K Space Marines, and I just dont think GW would risk cannibalizing their own hype by givng that kind of hard news on such a hotly anticipated release so absurdly far in advance at the very start of their edition, before they even releaaed their Loyalist Marine codex yet. Those to facts overrode my lizard brain of simeltaneous hype and disappointment enough to appreciate how cool this Resin Fulgrim really is.

I can't unsee the sleeve of your hoodie getting whiter the more you lean on that terrain. But yeah I thiink within the next couple of years we will get a 10th edition update to the Emperors Children includng a plastc Fulgrim. What Forge Worlds Specialist Design Studio and Games Workshops Citadel Minatures do have little to no bearing on what the other is workng on, Fulgrms HH sculpt isn't the nail in the coffin that many are making it out to be.

No idea what Dave is talking about, but he was so passionate about it that my wife and I watched the whole video.

I honestly don't think that the EC as a faction are dead, not at all. I strongly believe that even GW in all their....interesting ways of thinking at times won't just abandon a clearly established pattern with the main four Chaos Legions, started off by the Thousand Sons in 7th, continued by the Death Guard in 8th and last updated with the World Eaters at the end of 9th so making EC the thing at the end of 10th only makes sense. That being said the Fulgrim reveal was incredibly surprising, them saying that it's only HH makes me think that there's no reason why there shouldn't be a model in 40k but more importantly, what the hell is it gonna look like now? The 40k Fulgrim would be a daemon Primarch 10 thousand years later, to be fair most of that time he spent in the warp where there is no time, on his own personal pleasure planet but still, maybe the model he will get in 40k differs from the 30k one a lot. The 30k Fulgrim is how I think most people imagine Daemon Primarch Fulgrim to look like so what if they go and turn up the daemon WAY more with him, higher levels than Angron

I feel like anything in resin from Forgeworld should either be a display model or something massive like the Titans. Plastics should always be your tabletop standard for play pieces. I suppose I don't have a dog in this fight, as I don't play Chaos. But I dream of a return of Corvus from the warp. And I'd rather he return in plastic for play and resin for display. Give us a choice to play. But ultimately I also don't play tournaments. And I have 3D ptinters. So maybe I'll find decent proxies I can print or buy and just move on.

I liked your recap of the rumor and trends, I am a little let down he wasn't for 40k, we had a similar release with Lion el johnson, I remember almost the same disappointment when the horus heresy model was released. I felt the excitement in the community when Lion El Johnson reached 40k, I think they are missing out on a lot by not releasing more of these kits. If they want to justify the price of these kits, there should be more of an aggressive release cycle. They can afford to take the hit at this point. I'm going to focus on my hobby projects and keep on keeping on.

At least there will be an stl for this model any day now and i won't have to pay FW prices for it.

Literally even with all the other issues 1 thing would have avoided all the backlash, rules for him in 40k the game people actually play and care about

I'm convinced they revealed Resin Fulgrim first in the line of new Horus primarchs because Plastic Fulgrim IS coming eventually. If they don't get him out the door as soon as possible fewer people will buy him once there's also a plastic kit.

Okay I want to be blunt: if you want to establish the rule of the demon primarchs and their respective legions being remade, Magnus is the exception, as he came long before the rework of his thousand sons. But lets face what we have: Mortarion and the Death Guard kicking of 8th. In 9th we got ne thousand sons and end of 9th we got the World Eater rework. So its probably safe to assume that Emperors Children will be getting their new stuff about 2/3 into 10th. So about the time players usually get less new stuff, because they know the next edition is lurking around the corner the upcoming months. Also this Fulgrim model pretty much breaks it to even the last of us, that HH is a completly different game.

I’m in my third year of this hobby, and I’m glad there are reasonable takes and opinions on what Games Workshop does. The bile and vitriol get weird. Especially when you’re just trying to tell your opponent to please roll his armor saves so you can move on with your shooting phase!

Glass half full thought, a resin fulgrim might be the precursor to a plastic one, and thus new emperors children? Or im lying to myself, who knows

There will be a 40k fulgrim 100% but not within months of angron releasing. It will outsell resin fulgrim. Im waiting on an amazing puratrabo model though so will be waiting decades

>1:25 >still shows old Berzerker models but a conversion

Wonder if they know about Major Kills Emperor model.😅

I think we'll probably get another plastic loyalist before plastic Fulgrim to balance the scales a bit

It definitely wouldn’t have been as bad if they went with any of the other Primarchs, especially if it’s the one that I think should have been next, Lorgar. He has rules for his ascended form (I think, but I’ve been wrong before), he isn’t one of the 4 monogod Primarchs, and he isn’t the only monogod Primarch that hasn’t gotten a plastic release alongside his legion. GW should have realized that releasing Daemon Fulgrim in 40k takes priority over releasing him in 30k for just about everyone. Also, as an extra note, I say this as someone who dislikes Word Bearers quite a bit.

People assume a corporation is a singular being, able to respond as things change, like a person. In reality, it's a multi-part monolith, not always aware of what one part is doing, and making decisions off of slices of input. This latest release is likely a result of one part not looking at what the other parts were doing.

A new Primarch model from FW has been in the roapmap for Horus Heresy for a long time. This was no surprise, and for me it's the correct choice. 30k is moving into a new era, and with the setting being set more in the later stages of the heresy now it makes sense to release the Daemon Primarchs. I might also be biased since I prefer 30k over 40k, but a lot of 40k players in this case are acting like spoiled brats. God forbid that GW gives some love to other games than 40k for once...

Unless something has changed, Corvus Belli's minis aren't white metal, they're proper, leaded pewter...

There is still a chance that we get plastic demon Fulgrim and EC at the end of 10th like we did in 9th.

I was glad fulgrim wasn't in 40k yet because my theory is rogal dorn will be next loyalist and they will give him the emporers claw weapon to replace his hand and then perturabo will come back to fight him

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