Crazy how Godzilla fans were able to unite to say "shut up" to the... I don't know how to call those people... pretenders?

What I find to be the funniest argument is the whole "Toho treats Godzilla with respect now. They'd never let him do anything silly or over the top." when not even a year ago we got the Jet Jaguar short where he performs another flying drop kick and shakes hands with Jet afterwards. Not to mention the Godzilla chibi series, or that puppet show they have for kids. Godzilla's biggest strength is being able to fluctuate between being both series and silly, as evident with how fans seem like New Empire despite it being a lot more over the top. Both can exist at the same time, there's no reason they shouldn't.

These supposed 'experts' thinking they know whats best for the franchise yet they don't realize they will be the very reason of ending it. The versatility of the franchise is what helped Godzilla endured throughout the decades. You could do so much of the same allegory over and over again until it comes to the point where it becomes stale and repetitive. Which is one of the reasons for the many downfalls of movie franchises these days and Godzilla is at risk of becoming such a victim if this mindset is continued being pushed.

Skipper said he hated the G man and his franchise in the start of the video and repeated himself multiple time in said video, It is clear he made it only for views.

The way I see it, money talks. Had the predictions come true about GXK failing after Minus One did gangbusters, there would be more cause for concern. However, both movies raked in the cash. The allegory and the escapism both succeeded, proving all of those Problem videos dead wrong. A hundred thousand views on a video that says, "Minus One good, MonsterVerse dumb," is not going to trump millions of dollars at the box office. Let's also not forget that this success also puts Godzilla ahead of franchises that were supposedly surefire hits, including Ghostbusters and the MCU. If this were a race, the kaiju would be pulling far ahead while the favored runners trip over their own feet. Can the wrong lessons still be learned? Yes, there's always that possibility. At the moment, though, I'm not overly worried.

This quote is about Batman, but it applies to Godzilla all the same. *_"Batman's rich history allows him to be interpreted in a multitude of ways. To be sure, this is a lighter incarnation, but is certainly no less valid and true to the character's roots as the tortured avenger, crying out for mommy and daddy."_** ~ Bat Mite, Batman: The Brave and The Bold.*

“As long as there is a giant radioactive lizard, something else big will rise up to punch it” -Sun zoo, art of war

It's so nice to see people defending the Monsterverse and the other less serious films. I always hate when people diss something because it's not serious, not like this or that, when everyone has their preferences. As the video said, it's the versatility that makes Godzilla so endearing. It really disappoints me to see people try and bring down part of the franchise for their own interests. Godzilla is Godzilla and he will be cool no matter what, and some people just can't understand that sadly.

In my opinion it's best to ignore people like that. They're not true Godzilla fans, they're just speaking nonsense. If they were true Godzilla fans then they'd know that Godzilla has always been a flexible character. He can be whatever you want, the story can be whatever you want. He's had multiple stories and incarnations both serious, goofy, and in between.

I think with the HUGE success of The New Empire that fear will fade away, Godzilla have proven why no matter what you do with him as long you put passion and effort will pay off. I love serious Goji but I also equally LOVE silly and over the top Goji, so as long Hollywood and Japan see how much money this IP is doing no matter these idiotic videos of people who CLEARLY only watch MINUS ONE and claim to be long time fans when if that was TRUE they would never do those dumb videos, I think Toho will ignored that, I think they know better what they want to do with Goji, and even so, Monsterverse is doing fantastic so we can actually afford have Japan do the serious dark Godzilla films, while Hollywood do the silly, fun over the top ones.

he used the essay to destroy the essay

Shortly after Shin Godzilla released, a podcast I used to listen to called Kaijusaurus was going over how some fans complained about the lack of focus on character in Shin Godzilla. Then they brought up how people complained that Godzilla 2014 focused too much on the human characters. They then went even further back and brought up how some people don't like Final Wars because it's too goofy. Then they said something along the lines of "tonally, all three of the most recent movies cover everything Godzilla. If you don't like any of these three movies, then you're probably not a Godzilla fan." That's how I feel a lot recently listening to peopes takes on the Godzilla franchise.

Isn’t the monstervers literally the reason Godzilla is still alive till this day 💀

Godzilla is literally The Genre Character!

I can think of another franchise that suffered from repeated allegory usage: the X-Men film series. The titular characters, for the bulk of their films, act as allegories for victims of racism and bigotry. And while those are valid and unfortunately still relevant issues, it’s not the only thing these characters are about. I’ve been a Godzilla fan since I was 5 years old and I still get excited when a new Godzilla movie is announced 30+ years later. Do I enjoy the dark, gritty and serious Godzilla movies? Yes! Do I enjoy the silly, over-the-top and cheesy Godzilla movies? Absolutely! I like both styles because they encompass his whole character and to deny just one aspect of that is to deny his entire being. It’s because of both styles that Godzilla has stayed relevant for the past 70 YEARS! And I’m hoping to be around when he hits 100. An allegorical character does not have lasting impact if they are only allowed to be connected to one specific aspect. Originally, Godzilla was a symbol for the dangers of nuclear weaponry but kinda became a metaphor for nuclear energy as a whole: yes, it still is dangerous and highly destructive but it has been instrumental in providing power for homes and has a branch in medicine. It’s a controversial topic just as Godzilla is a controversial character in-universe or in-multiverse; a monster that can cause significant damage to people but can also protect people from other threats. That sort of thinking can be applied to many subjects and Godzilla could probably make it work. And no one can say that the creators of Godzilla would be ashamed of him being silly, they were the ones who made him that way. The key fact is that they allowed Godzilla, as a character, to evolve beyond what he was originally conceived to be.

The point of having THIS many Godzilla movies is to experiment with the character and portray him in different ways. Son of Godzilla, for instance, made Godzilla a father. GMK made Godzilla a malicious monster hell bent on destroying the world. The Monsterverse made Godzilla a protector of the planet, and Shin Godzilla made him into a radioactive abomination (even more so than the original) This is good. Do you think that a series that’s been running for this long wouldn’t get boring if every movie had the same message? That’s what you call stagnation, and the Godzilla franchise is very good at avoiding it. You want a serious movie, then go watch Shin, minus one and many other Toho movies. Don’t expect the MV to be serious, because it simply isn’t. But that’s a good thing, we want variety after all.

I saw like a minute of Movie Cynic’s video and had to stop when I saw the video chapter’s name. I saw comments defending his take by saying stuff like “G fans getting mad over an opinion!” Cynic literally put the word “stop” in his thumbnail. Stop what? Stop making monsterverse movies because he doesn’t like it? Also, I brought up the fact that I stopped watching when I saw the chapter title. It was “”It honors the Showa Era” isn’t a defence” why tf not?! Please tell me, almighty critic. Why is saying that the movie honors the Showa era not an excuse?!

My life has room for all versions of godzilla.

Update: The Little Platoon is calling everyone who disagrees with him about GXK “Stupid” and “Autistic” Real Mature Dude…Also the Movie Cynic is using the victim mentality.

The problem with minus one is most of these guys who critique it and use it to shat on the monster verse,had their first experience with toho's serious side of godzilla with minus one.Even though shin,which in my opinion is an amazing movie,was overlooked because it was percieved as Bad for not being like 2014.Noe the reversed has happened and people are talking bad about the monster verse because of minus one.Its very strange,because these same people havent watched any of the heisei,or millenium eras either which are serious

People have always said this about Godzilla. I think the success of the Monstervers and Minus One shows that Godzilla can be anything you want or need. A bad guy, a hero, an obstacle, whatever is needed to tell the story.

My boi honestly cooked. I personally also really enjoyed minus one but man, did it spawn stans. Like guys I'm srry but ur coping. That's just the hard truth. Sometimes things don't go ur way, and thats fine. So keep it in ur own little insecure brain.

Trying to compare Minus One Godzilla to Monsterverse Godzilla is like comparing the Christopher Nolan and Matt Reeves Batman to the Adam West Batman; both are completely different approaches to the same idea with their own sense of appeal... I believe it's possible to like both for the sake of appreciation, but I'm always a sucker for more serious stories regarding Godzilla.

This was my fear after seeing the movie becoming popular and critics just tell a long time fan like me that I have no idea what I’m talking about

This happens every time you get an influx of new fans. They always want the franchise to be like the movie that got them into the franchise and nothing else.

I'm starting to see the value of gate-keeping...

I have hope that it won't turn out that way. The beauty in having both Legendary Zilla and Minus One Zilla do so well at the same time is that it showcases his versatility. They see that people want deep Zilla movies in Minus One, and fun monster fights in GxK.

(Sorry, I have to write an essay here) Okay, first of all, I'm gonna say something many godzilla fans would probably want me to be executed for lol: I love the anime trilogy. In fact, they are some of my favourite movies. Not only godzilla but movies in general. But that not the topic. So, I agree on most of what was mentioned in the video. And I say that as someone who prefers the more serious side of godzilla. I'm a godzilla fan for three years now, I started to write my own stories about him before I even watched a single movie. The first godzilla movie I saw was Dhin Godzilla. A dark, serious movie and I've watched it for more than 30 times now I think. Second one was Godzilla 2014, another serious movie. Later, I watched three showa movies. The showa movies were goofy and fun to watch and I also watched them several times now. I also like godzilla final wars. I like both sides of godzilla. I saw Minus One than and no one tells me "it's overrated" please. I was simply blown away by that movie. I like it more than the original from 1954 which was my favourite movie until than. I am very interested in WW2 and all that, so this movie was the perfect thing for me as it dealt with the trauma of war, survivor's guilt, the hopelessness you might feel in front of a threat far beyond our imagination, and also the will to overcome it, to survive despite the thought of having nothing to live for anymore. I'm still thinking about this movie every day. This movie has struck me harder than every godzilla movie I've ever seen. But the godzilla franchise doesn't only consust of trauma and the horrors of war. Over the decades, godzilla ha become a really versatile character and I like all the directions the franchise took. GxK has become my favourite monsterverse movie and one of my favourite godzilla movies in general. The thing is, after Minus One came out, many people started to compare everything this franchise has to offer. But why? You can't compare Minus One and GxK for example. They have a completely different purpose and message. The variety these movies offer is something we can appreciate.

Am i seeing a pattern with monsterverse and toho films recently after 2014?

I love both Kong and Godzilla, and I would agree that Kong has both the blessing and the curse that the original film is literally one of the greatest movies EVER made. Subsequent Kong films are kind of like subsequent Oz films... Yeah, they might be fine, but they're not THE Wizard of Oz. The original Gojira is one of the greatest films as well, and certainly one of the greatest Japanese films, but Toho had the presence of mind to come back to him after a 7-year hiatus with the willingness to do something totally different. That willingness to do vastly different things with him, from Minus One to Godziban to Shin-Gojira to Chibi-Godzilla to Singular Point to whatever, is what has made Godzilla so robust and why I don't think Toho will succumb to an urge to make all Godzilla movies the same going forward. What I like about the "Reiwa Era" is that it IS so ballsy and experimental.

"Godzilla should only be an allegory!" If someone's watching the Monsterverse films, and *missing* the allegory in them, they maybe need to stop consuming any media at all until they can retake kindergarten. The movies are not subtle about it.

Seeing that Cloverfield Paradox clip made me chuckle a little bit, since I am a Cloverfield fan. Maybe you should do a video on those movies at some point. Also, I don’t know if you’re too big of a Spider-Man guy, but I am curious about how’d you rank all 8 of the live-action movies, so how about a video on that? To actually talk about the video, I agree on the problem videos. They always act like experts even though it’s pretty clear that they know little to nothing about the franchise. And people think Godzilla is “woke” just cause he’s pink in the new movie? You gotta be kidding me. He was pink in the Millennium and no one complained about that back then, so how’s the color change a problem now? Just cause pink is a normally associated with girls doesn’t mean that Godzilla is “woke” in the new movie for being pink alone. Those people probably just don’t have anything better to do other than make complaint videos that have no standing point. Like, what if there was a girl character who’s signature color is pink, and they change it to blue later for whatever reason. Would that be considered “woke” too?

THANK YOU. MY POINT EXACTLY I had someone argue with me that changing Godzilla from serious like G2014/Shin is detrimental to continuity, and I literally replied to him, "DUDE, GO WATCH THE 1960s AND '70s movies, they did the exact same thing." And he replied, "Well they suck" I asked him with reply, "Did you actually watch them in their entirety?" he replied and said, "No they just suck" all I did was reply with a "DUMMY, YEAH" reply from Eli Drake

2:15 Ah. I see you noticed my video. Lol I'm not here to start a fight or anything, just give my perspective on what the idea behind my first video was. G -1.0 was my first Godzilla movie and I was blown away by it. So upon hearing that, not only is Godzilla 70 years old, but that the Monsterverse is its own continuity, I wanted to explore the franchise some more. My video is simply my personal critique of the films I watched; being Shin Godzilla, 2014, KotM, and Minus One. I didn't want to come across as some kind of authority on Godzilla; that would be out of line for me as I haven't even been a Godzilla fan for an entire year. And as for the title, I had no idea the "Godzilla Problem" meme was a thing when I titled the video that. Whoops. Lol But here I am about 4-5 months later and have watched 20 films out of the 38 and finding it all fascinating. So far, I've found the Heisei Era to be my favorite, as I've nearly watched all of them at this point and love the strong continuity. I did end up making a second video revisiting the Monsterverse with a different perspective after seeing all of the films, finding the potential in the Monsterverse. I completely understand that gatekeeping is important and your concern for the future of the franchise, but rest assured; I fully intended and continue to intend to engage with the franchise in earnest and good faith. Hope that clears things up a bit.

Moral story. Let Goji do his own thing. Go wild and wacky or being serious is up to Goji himself. Don’t force our boy to do things.

this guy is telling the truth, why do people compare minus one and GxK, they both are different genres... ahh i am fucking tired of telling this !!

Personally, as a Godzilla fan, I’m not too worried. I think it’s awesome that Godzilla is getting so much attention. I like the Monsterverse movies, but I don’t think I would call them good movies, even when judging them on their own terms. My criteria is that as long as you make it good, then tone doesn’t matter. I do totally understand where you’re coming from however.

Here’s another point: Minus One was wonderful yes but… It’s overrated. There. I typed it. If you want to say it’s the best Godzilla movie out there narrative wise I don’t blame you. But I think that’s the problem. Godzilla has been doing nothing but fighting other monsters for the longest time now. For a movie to have Godzilla by himself, being this vengeful threat to humanity, it’s a breath of fresh air, which is the real reason why this movie is so loved. I agree that we should have more movies like it, to even out the amount of movies where Godzilla sends a message to the audience about life, and the movies where Godzilla entertains us by kicking another monster’s ass but you’re right. We can’t have too many of these types of movies. This is all just my opinion though.

I don’t think Godzilla will fall under that shadow that King Kong did for decades. Mostly because Godzilla has way more movies and considering that the light hearted Godzilla movies such as GxK are doing well along side Minus one. I think Godzilla has a lot of room before we have to worry about anything. But I am tired of people who watch one or two Godzilla movies and then make essays like they know the franchise. That’s infuriating and needs to stop.

Their is only one thing we Godzilla fans can do, and that is to be LOUDER than the people who know nothing about Godzilla.

I’ll probably get a lot of hate for this, but I would love to see Tojo make a kid-focus anime similar to Digimon where a handful of kids have the monsters as their own. - Heck, even like Digimon, you can still have serious themes in it.

I personally think that Toho's best strategy with Godzilla going forward would be to actually have more serious or Godzilla films to compliment the Monsterverse's goofier nature...that's partly why the box office for Godzilla x Kong was such a huge hit because for as beloved as Minus One was for it's serious tone and back to original roots, a lot of people greatly enjoy the more over-the-top monster action version of Godzilla as featured in the Monsterverse. So, I think that if Toho and Legendary work alongside each other, with Legendary focusing on the over-the-top monster fun while Toho does the serious stuff, Godzilla fans will be pleased all around and thus its a win-win. And it doesn't have to just be Minus One sequels, it can also be original ideas with a darker tone. The only way this strategy wouldn't work would be if the Monsterverse for some reason got a decline in viewership or box office, or heck if the two studios aren't able to negotiate a continuing license. In that case, Toho can go back to making more goofier action oriented Godzilla films to take in the Monsterverse fans that wanted more of that.

At this point, these kinds of fakers pretending to be "fans" across much of KZfaq talking about every fictional franchise in existence are just doing it for the money and attention.

Yeah I agree with your points about Godzilla evolving overtime, especially with how King Kong didn’t have that because American studios are too stupid to make their monsters evolve with the times they were in. The only monsters to evolve have always been the Japanese ones.

As a Mecha fan ambassador, we offer our truest support to your cause, Kaiju fans. We too have suffered under the shadow of Evangelion's Overexposure, and we do not wish you the same fate. Just like Super Robots and Real Robots should coexists and be varied, the same should be for Power Fantasy Godzilla and Allegory Godzilla.

I didn't get Shin Godzilla vibes from the anime trilogy. For one thing, Shin Godzilla is good and the anime trilogy isn't good even a little bit. Shin Godzilla had a point and it told its point effectively. The anime trilogy had a point... somewhere buried under six hours of really boring exposition and annoying characters. To me it was more the writers and directors were just sniffing their own farts trying to be smarter than they actually were. It didn't translate well.

ngl i think godzilla is better than godzilla

I will die on this hill. MV Kong > All Other Versions

My dream Gojira film is having him be a literally extension of the Earth who goes around absorbing artificial energy sources that are harmful to the planet.

I hope Toho doesn’t listen to these people and Godzilla continues to be versatile and evolves. We can have both serious and non serious films. Those who say Godzilla is bad should be silenced and their videos deleted

I don't think Japanese filmmakers care about American audiences, tbh

godzilla is like dragons they can be so divers and be so different with still being recognizable as godzilla. its funny how a movie made by someone who shows love for all the other versions of the character can be used to spread hate

These types of people have been shitting on the Monsterverse since 2014. Yet its been going on for a decade with a successful tv show and more tv spin offs to come to boot

I'm quite new to the Godzilla fandom and watched all of the movies outside of Minus One(Mainly because it was leaving theaters when I got into the big guy). The grifters who try and claim that the monsterverse is too silly literally only watched Shin and Minus One. You said it the best with how Godzilla is always changing and if anything it disproves the grifters claims. There goofy stuff even in the more 'serious' eras. Heisei Era has psychics, the origins of Biollante, and the entirety of Godzilla vs King Ghidorah. The Millenium Era literally had Godzilla doing a body slam onto Megaguirius and do I even have to mention Final Wars? Monsterverse in my opinion, takes concepts from all of the eras and plays with them to see how they can be adapted. I loved GxK and would love to see where they go forward with the Monsterverse. TL;DR: Godzilla has always had goofy stuff to it.

The Godzilla franchise is one with many tones and stories. Whether goofy or serious, there is a film in the franchise that can appeal to anyone’s taste. Even the original director Ishiro Honda after the original dark 1954 film decided to make his next film in the franchise King Kong vs Godzilla a satirical comedy. The variety is what has made Godzilla last for so long because any film in the franchise can believably be someone’s favourite. It’s fine for these fans to prefer the dark and serious films in the franchise like Minus One, but to act like the whole franchise becoming dark and serious all the time is what is best for it is ignorant and will only make the fandom and potential for newcomers shrink.

Whatever have a greater attention through the wrong reasons is something that we should be aware, even if they seem to be inevitable. The Velma show is bad is not because of race swapping or female empowerment l because they have not much a good comedy and butchering the characterization by having most of them unlikable that neither side wants it’s side, yet hate watching caused a 2nd season renewed. Phase 4 of the MCU was janky, sure there were heavy miss but there are greater hits that shouldn’t have everyone worry of Marvel “fell off,” although the last time everyone says something like that was the reviews that found Age of Ultron from disappointment to average and doubting the success for the Guardians of the Galaxy based on characters not many really knew. And yes, definitely with Godzilla which being an allegory is part of him but he doesn’t shy away to new things. I dare argue that the monster-verse is like the Showa era; they start on a darker mood then subsequent films have spectacles for the fun of it. Minus One is a second remake (although may be changes for any follow ups) and the third film to take as an allegory but some fans found it more like the original; a broken country whose pride had been destroyed and had to face a living horror rampaging onto them, found the value of life and having a few to give themselves away vowing to never let it happen again. Those who thinks of the latest movies for the wrong reasons, then maybe they should check the G man’s career.

These guys are just the type of people who probably had distain towards Godzilla fans growing up lmao, Jk but seriously I think ever since Minus One came out people forgot what Godzilla REALLY is.

Thank u god somebody else besides me has pointed out how much good the Monsterverse did 4 King Kong since most of his films have been just retreading old footsteps over n over again

I would love for a monsterverse short film about godzilla finding a lost mate and having minilla as his son to fill in the lonely gap and can continue his legacy like the heisei trilogy

As much as I can understand the concern for the future of Godzilla films, I don't really think that Toho would really lean into the "critique" of the people who trash in the monsterverse. Both Tamaki Yamazaki, and Adam Wingard went on to have a conversation that showed that they both understand that Godzilla is a diverse and versatile character. I don't think Toho would turn a blind eye to this, and I do think the portrayal of your fears in this video are a bit unwarranted and overinflated. Without an established pattern of behavior, there isn't much reason to believe that the future of Godzilla is bleak. (the polygon trilogy doesn't count, as it seems to have been planned to be a trilogy from the start, and Togo seems to have clearly learned from their mistake with that) Even if Toho did start putting out more totally serious Godzilla films, I don't think that they could make Minus One feel any less special, especially since we still have the Monsterverse on the scene to contrast more tonally serious Godzilla films.

Minus one is great but it’s still just a reboot of the original. Shin as well but it’s unique enough that it stands out. I don’t hate what this reiwa era is bringing but I do hope they shake things up a bit.

For me, I don't really like the Monsterverse, but not because I want it to be Shin or Minus One. I dislike it because I want it to lean even harder into being monsterverse. There was far, far too much preaching at the audience from "wise japanese scientist man" that I can't be bothered to remember the name of because I don't give a damn about the humans. Let me see Godzilla having a dbz fight with 5 enemies for the entire runtime. Yes, the entire runtime. Screw the stupid subplots of 'will these two people bang', get them off the screen, I don't care, I'm not here for a romance. I think there is room for both types of Godzilla movies, I just want the Godzilla movies to know what they're trying to do. Which is what makes Shin and Minus One so much better than Monsterverse, because Monsterverse is having too much of a confused identity crisis.

In a franchise this big there is always going to be dissension. But for myself I don’t care about Godzilla showing all his different facets ( that makes it fun) but good storytelling. And ( because I can be a nerd) continuity in what is considered canon. The Monsterverse’s Godzilla’s canon strays away from that of Toho which strays away from Graphic novels and comics. Not to mention fan based KZfaq content. I think the best thing to do is to sit back and enjoy the ride. This is entertainment. As long as the Big Gman is presented at least with some care and loving I’m okay. Then I’ll overlook such silliness as Monach suddenly having a mechanical arm all set for Kong just lying around the corner and Godzilla flying.

Given the franchise's storied history I wouldn't worry too much about them getting rigid with it now.

If there’s one thing that I will give these videos credit for (to a certain extent), it’s how they have seemingly rally all contentious sides or factions within the Godzilla community. The way that the entire community collectively treated DoktorSkipper felt like a liveleak 4K public execution.

The comparisons to Minus one and recent GxK is incredibly unfair and stupid.🤦‍♂️

03:50 Hey, bro... don't be dissing my home boy, Gamera. Gamera has been just as versatile as Godzilla, even though he's had fewer incarnations over the years.

Watching this after GxK became the highest grossing Godzilla movie.

Video Essayists have been annoying since 2017 on KZfaq and it's a shame they have endured longer than many other genres. Plenty of people make genuine attempts to be informative, but most of the time it's pretentious ego stroking and this recent Godzilla phase is the perfect example. Imagine trying to gaslight thousands of people into saying "I am a long time Godzilla fan" and saying something is bad because not only have you seen three movies, but you don't even know the most iconic part of the franchise: Monster fights other monsters. It's like if people complained super hero movies had super villains because they only saw their debut comics, the idea of these people acting like they know more than others is crazy.

This was a great video. I'd love to see more of these in the future, and this was something similar to what I was going to talk about myself, why stuff like what we got with GxK is important going forward, and why movies like Minus one are just as important, but for vastly different reasons. We need things like that tone, but we also need to remember the goofy and fun moments, like the gravity defying drop kick. Godzilla is a swiss army knife, he can do so many things so easily, and never lose his identity. Because his identity is longer lived than most people

Honestly, my take on the discourse has mainly been that if Toho is willing to invest more of that weight in a Godzilla movie that went back to basics with half the budget and make it work, then Legendary should be capable of adding more weight to the Monsterverse. Emotional or engaging character arcs would be great for both humans and monsters. I honestly think GxK isn’t as Showa as I would like it to be, could have used more of that scifi/fantasy edge. Like really dig deeper into it instead of using another big monkey and what essentially was just an ice Godzilla.

A problem i tend to have with some of these people that arent actually Godzilla fans is that a LOT of them didnt see Godzilla Minus One because they like the franchise. But because they saw the film out of spite against "Hollywood" or some dumb nonsense. Causing them to make all these stupid essays about how "Godzilla Minus One is destroying Hollywood" even though 100 million american dollars isnt exactly causing American films to shake in their boots. Sure. People can like the movie. But dont spew this bs about its the second coming just because its not "spewing a message" even though every Godzilla movie has a message to it.

This is what I've been worried about ever since Shin Godzilla- Toho got a lot of acclaim for basically making a soft reboot of the original with a lot of scifi surrealism and anime influence, and that's what led to the creation of the anime trilogy and Singular Point. On one hand, Minus One goes firmly towards period films, less focusing on that scifi/anime/horror genre and more to traditional character-based storytelling. On the other hand, I can't help but Toho keeps going for that reboot over and over again. I think a bit boat ancher on modern storytelling is the soft reboot. Spiderman, Star Wars, Star Trek, Jurassic Park, Predator, Alien, Ghostbusters- etc etc etc. They're not exact remakes but they hit the same beats over and over again. And that's not even getting into the straight reboots of Ten Commandments, Magnificent Seven, the whole Disney catalogue, etc. And I don't want that to happen to Godzilla where every story is just the original movie. I feel a lot of fans just want to feel more serious and smart. Some are just horror fans or personal drama fans, but I think there's genuine gatekeeping snobbery too, so they attack the Monsterverse whenever possible. It's something that's been a real big part of toxic Godzilla culture, one that's already showing issues with women, POC fans and younger generations. I feel the worst aspects of Weeb culture are spilling into Godzilla as well. The King Kong comparison was great- even Toho's more imaginative takes on Kong with sci-fi, giant scale, robots, dragons and happy endings, still had the whole "capture, escape, likes to capture pretty women" theme. being central. Kong is in Godzilla's shadow not only because of the endless rights issues, but I don't think people knew what to do with the character- before the Monsterverse, the films were either remakes, comedy sequels, or Toho kaiju. And while the Monsterverse is leaning more on the Toho films interpretation, they break free from the usual Kong formula and re-invigorate the character. And I feel the same is True of Godzilla- while the take is still roughly based on the 60s as a happy medium between the 70s and 90s hero and antihero Godzillas, it's very different from anything that's come before in terms of character. And people don't like this innovation because that's not what they personally are used to or like. This is the only fandom I'm still excited about, so I'm worried about this. It doesn't help that mainstream critics embolden them despite the creators at both Toho and Legendary both praising all recent Godzilla films. I feel I'm the only King Kong fan, the only heroic Godzilla fan, the only 60s-70s Godzilla fan. And I don't want this fandom to get as toxic as all the other fandoms.

very nice video, i'll have to show this to my sister who watched a few of these "monsterverse bad minus one good" videos and is now convinced the monsterverse is a cheap cash grab

Most of the comments here don't make much sense to me. Minus One is the best Godzilla movie thus far, but I don't wanna see another movie like it ever again. Between saying "Godzilla is a flexible character" to "Godzilla should stay the same", I'm with the latter. I prefer JP godzilla to stay the same, but I also prefer Western Godzilla to stay different. What I love is the variety of Heisei movie concepts, but Godzilla never really changed as an enemy or threat to the planet and/or humanity itself. All of these movies feature a new villain with some ties to technology, the environment, or Godzilla Cells. Godzilla never changes. I do agree with the importance of keeping things fresh by making something new to keep Godzilla from being stale. I loved and hated the anime trilogy for similar reasons to Fishmob. There was so much potential to what they could do in this Godzilla universe. I'd fuse certain elements from the Godzilla netflix trilogy with Godzilla Singular Point. I think many people enjoy Singular Point as it speaks to the audience far more than the trilogy ever did, it was just another popcorn movie/tv show that had very little and delivered very little. I think its great Monsterverse exists, my only concern is the Monsterverse being another flop for reasons that never should have happened, and for reasons that may drive majority of the audience away due to bad decisions and/or writing from the top brass. Legendary Godzilla and Monsterverse is still young, so I will admit we should give them some time.

4:37 Where is this video from? Though, I’ve got to defend Alastor’s video. He just says that the goofy tone of the Monsterverse isn’t the problem, just that the writing could be better. His video isn’t like Doctor Skipper’s at all. Though I went to Gojifest. You don’t have to worry, they’re still embracing the goofy stuff.

I have not seen Minus One yet and I don’t doubt its quality…but I will always believe that it and Shin Godzilla were the worst things to happen to the Godzilla fanbase. What was once a relatively chill and friendly community has turned into a rotten cesspool of gatekeeping, elitist snobs, and people who think they are suddenly experts on Godzilla cause they saw all of one film.

1000% agree with this lmao

They better not listen to these dam trolls I love the monster verse and even really like Godzilla X Kong and really hope they continue the monster verse

everybody gangsta 'till "The Problem with Godzilla Problem Video Problem Videos" shows up

wait, do you have any thoughts on godzilla singular point

I want someone to make a parody of those Godzilla problem videos to show how nonsense they are

What I find funny is most of these people crapping on he monsterverse aren't even talking about the things actually wrong with it like how it continues to half ass everything outside the monsters.

i so hope they make the MO setting a whole "verse", the director seems to want to make more movies, so i say, he should.

There's gonna be video of "The problem with the problem of Godzilla problem videos" by random some sort of person i swear

Some of the supposed criticisms are just grifters wanting a quick buck like the Doktor Skipper video. I'm glad Godzilla fans called him out on this because some grifters were able to harm an IP with their long essays of rambling all because nobody called them out for misinformation they perpetuate.

Darn, KZfaq is gonna recommend me only godzilla videos now

The problem with Minus one being so good is that all these people are basically being haters and using that movie as a weapon to talk shit about other movies and hollywood in general.

So here me out legendary tunes into modern show and minus one turns into modern hesie it would be perfect

Good video! I love how you compared Kong to Godzilla and why he became less popular compared to Godzilla and how if godzilla has nothing but Minus ones he will follow in the footsteps Which is telling since Kong following in the footsteps of Godzilla is what's making him finally get out of his status quo

Godzilla Minus One kinda ruined the franchise. It caused many toxic fans to appear.

I'm glad you included the Chibi versions in the video because these people posting essays act America should be more like Toho when Toho is currently releasing this goofy web series. Also, I don't understand the title of Doctor Skipper's video, because at the time before Minus One came out, the Monsterverse was producing massive hits while Toho was producing stinkers at the time.(Anime Trilogy, Singular point) I wonder what they thought of these Godzilla products?

I hope this future doesn't happen (which i think it won't) but as long we have these video going i think we're gonna do well.

Those videos are mainly people who only watched minus one and the 54' one, tried to explain what the franchise was about and how the monsterverse was "wrong" about it (even tho it literally took a lot of the showa and heisei era's after KOTM) That should be a given to how serious and inform those clowns are Heck, i doubt they even watched the 98's godzilla

I will never understand why people hate on the movies These are movies that can, in the same breath, be series and be silly There is an appeal for these movies that is universal, and this is what shows those who truly love and understand the series, and those who don't.

While I get the point, the fact of the matter is the fandom has locked down and now gatekeeps any and all criticism of the Monsterverse. Saying the Monsterverse has problems and needs to improve is not demanding it be Minus One. But this "Just have fun bro, it's not that hard bro!" take that shuts down any and all critique is extremely poisonous.

I don't think Toho will cave to the supposed Godzilla " fans ". A true fan LOVES Godzilla, and we take the good with the bad.

The new monsterverse movie is still about six times as popular as -1. I don't think that the monster verse is in any danger

Well not every Godzilla movie doesn't have to be like Minus One for old roots part because well it'll get repetitive, overused, overrated and annoying at same time so Godzilla be anything just as long they're good movies and storytelling.

The Monsterverse Doesn’t suck ass like those haters claiming to say. It’s a solid franchise beyond description making a lot of sense and profit.