The worst part about this game is how enemies dont respawn above ground

The reason bulbmin aren’t in pikmin 4 is probably glow pikmin cause they basically replace them by being immune to all elements being usable in all caves the stun attack and having a whole mode only they are usable in

I see Oatchi as an example of QoL changes that diminish small areas of gameplay/trivialize micro difficulties, kind like the Palamutes in Monster Hunter Rise, another dog companion that trivializes small actions, like sharpening your weapon/healing on the go.

you out here questioning the wrong questions… the REAL question is where is captain charlie (good vid btw !)

My biggest problem is that riding oatchi makes a ton of bosses that would kill tons of pikmin easy af

Oatchi seriously needs a weight limit. Like he can only carry 50 pikmin. NOT 100

I know this is kinda nit picky but I really liked the feeling of have the squad of Pikmin follow you everywehre you go

Dang, dude! I never really thought of a lotta that stuff since I've only played 4, but yeah Oatchi definitely gives a couple too many shortcuts. I really liked the way you talked about self-imposed challenges! That's something that I hear people mention all the time but never really get into actually talking about. Great stuff!!!!!

I def agree Oatchi is really broken and i def wished he was nerfed a lot, cause what I love about Pikmin is the challenge, hence why i just did a run without using oatchi's rush and riding him, and honestly the experience felt a lot more like what I wanted, I recommend doing this for everyone that wanted that challenge, not to say that improves the issues the game has. Even then i greatly enjoyed my time with pikmin 4 and the years they had to make it show. Hopefully 5 has some better balancing that doesnt require you to basically set ur own challenge runs to improve it

I tried to do an Oatchi-less run but they made the game specifically for him. Like there are caves you can't reach without oatchi. I'm trying my best with bomb rocks for the vases and stuff but i cant really jump 💀

Yeah oatchie really breaks this game lol. Like sometimes I would just leave my captain and pikmin at the start of the cave and have oatchie go in to clear out any and all hazards. Especially because of the lab upgrades giving him immunity to fire, ice, poison, etc and how readily available they are. White pikmin are pretty much just obsolete in this game since you get the poison immunity before even seeing them once.

The only enemy encounter that seems to be balanced with Oatchi in mind is the very final boss, every other enemy and boss in the game is way easier than they'd be in any other game thanks to the ability to gather all Pikmin units in a single hitbox with hyper speed and offensive options

Pikmin 3 is literally the best experience. Proper cutscenes, a nice story progression, amazing controls, and a beautiful world that feels pretty open. Pikmin 4 feels very small and confined honestly. Like, it’s still a good experience but the auto lock makes me wanna die. And the game also just didn’t feel like it has much replayability.

I’ve played through Olimar’s ship wreck about 3-4 times now, it’s really fun

Oatchi only added to the strategy of the game. Even if he's strong, he is only one unit. And he's not good for piles of gold or raw materials, where Pikmin numbers are still important. The Dandori challenges specifically showcased how good he can be and can actually improve Pikmin management. His rush added an interesting element to the combat which was prior just "charge / c stick, or throw". Oatchi only added options and made me want to better strategize.

fun fact about being able to skip caves tho it more of another thing about skipping stuff you can skip entire areas if you grind the ones you currently have to 100 percent

As someone who has played all 4 games, I think 4 might be my least favorite. Maybe slightly better than 2. The excessive handholding kills a lot of the fun. Yeah, I get they wanted to make it easier for newcomers, but there are much better ways of doing it. I know that, cause Pikmin 3 exist. With the awful, forced auto-aim, obnoxious gameplay interrupting tutorials (I've gotten tutorial cutscenes on how to save pikmin as late as the final area of the game) and the game blatantly telling you what pikmin you'll need, it just feels like the devs just don't trust players intelligence, or abilities. Pikmin 4 also relies way too much on referencing the previous games, and with that being said, almost everything 4 does, a previous pikmin game has done significantly better. Pikmin 3's Mission mode and Bingo Battle, are way better than the dull dandori battles and challenges. The levels felt much worse and a lot less unique, compared to 1, 2, or 3s areas. The only real improvements were the caves, but they still hurt the pacing and flow of the game. The only new bone in Pikmin 4 are the night time missions which were highly disappointing and extremely dull. I wish they focused more on making pikmin 4 stand out, in good ways of course. Instead like 70% of Pikmin 4 is just "Hey! Remember this thing from [insert pikmin title here]"

I really hope that in like Pikmin 6 or 7, when we finally have every color as a Pikmin type, there will be a real challenge, where you have to use all of them with a maximum of 500 Pikmin on the field to solve puzzles, fight bosses and carry back treasure with like 5 captains and maybe a multiplayer with up to 5 people to each play as one captain. I want to manage a huge number of diverse pikmin with many unique abilities and uses across a large amount of captains together with my friends, but also alone with all of the things adapting to not be too difficult alone, but not too easy with others. I want to feel overwhelmed, not with time, but with my pikmin population, I want to hectically plan with my friends, scream when a pikmin dies and laugh when we all are just too dumb to manage all of the things. It would be great.

Well to be fair the armoured cannon beetle is now a pikmin 1 exclusive since in pikmin 4 it’s not called the armoured cannon beetle it’s called the horned cannon beetle a new species. I do wish bulbears revived themselves again and if they did add that they would revive a lot faster. They need to make enemies a lot more tankier. I wish the man at legs was beefier he’s just a joke now I killed him 3 times in 1 cycle because of the dogs. They should of added Gatling groinks back and made electricity more lethal. Something that made 2 REALLY annoying and difficult. But to be bias the great sage levels are actually quite challenging to do if you try to get platinum.

The problem here is that they made oatchi the ultimate good boi.

You make some pretty good points. 4 is the only pikmin game i have played (yet cause im just finishing sage trials before going to play 1,2,3) i loved this game, as it was designed to get new comers into the franchise and im a newcomer but if i was a vet player i wouldnt want my game series being noobified. Especially since i have a heavy preference for games that force to engage with the games systems and mechanics as much as possible. Ill definitely need to play 1, 2, and 3 though to compare.

Really glad you made this video. This game is great and deserves praise but that’s all I’ve really seen so far. Oatchi totally usurps the point of the series… that being to strategize and utilize your army of Pikmin. And unfortunately because of the reception, there will probably be a similar mechanic in every installment moving forward. That’s not even mentioning auto-lock, haha. It’s also worth noting that glow Pikmin are completely busted. I ended up with roughly 100 glow seeds just through natural game progression, and then used them to nuke the final boss.

30 hours? That’s nothing. Put 70 hours into one playthrough with absolute 100%.

To be honest, a lot of what this video critiques are parts I enjoyed. Although I agree on some parts I think a lot of things mentioned here were stuff I think Pikmin 4 got right, and I personally think it’s the best game in the series! I don’t want to bombard you with my opinions in just some random comment but I think that a lot of this is definitely very subjective. Still a good video though for sure, just wanted to put my two cents in.

The dog and the lock on ruined this game for me. I will be putting it with a select few games in my “pretend it didn’t happen” pile.

Completely agree with this video. Amazing job

Did you get the purple onion though?

not using Oatchi or using less pikmin is totally valid it's easy with Oatchi so that people who can't handle the difficulty of pikmin without him especially in later levels but still gives you the option to just not use him or take out less pikmin if the game doesn't feel hard enough it's basically like a difficulty select, although maybe the game would benefit from an actual difficulty select Easy is the game as per usual except you can use all pikmin types and 100 pikmin without flarlic, normal is game as per usual, hard removes Oatchi, Very hard reduces max pikmin to 50 and removes Oatchi, Extreme removes Oatchi 60 pikmin limit and brings back the day limit and shortens days by like 3 mins or smth, and super mega extreme all the stuff in extreme but the enemies and bosses are faster and have more HP. or a custom difficulty would probably be better where you could like toggle Oatchi, The day limit, pikmin limits, enemy strength and how much time is in a day, I feel like that would benefit all players but the way you can modify difficulty already sin't awful just could use a little bit of work

Don't forget that the game *actively suggests using the rewind feature,* it's like thinking isn't required to play the game anymore.

I remember when I saw that flarlics were still around after getting the 100 pikmin limit. I thought that maybe they'd let you carry more than 100 pikmin ir let you take out more types at a time, but then they just gave nectar and sprays, which felt very annoying and pretty pointless to have so many flarlics

I personally don’t really like the fact that there are basically no boss fight cutscenes in Pikmin 4(excluding the final boss), I went throughout the whole game not knowing what was a boss or not until getting to the final boss.

game is easy now pikmin fan: eh no biggie the gameplay is goo- theres no puffmin pikmin fan: thats pretty ba- and no bulbmin pikmin stan: *REAL $HIT*

Great vid man! (I told you they were never hinting at the bulbmin)

I genuinely like the game, but the forcing of Oatchi onto the player and making the game feel more like 'player & Oatchi adventure' with the pikmin being a side piece felt a belt mellow. Also the lack of reason for Louie being the main villain and ignoring the other dimension villain from the previous games was a bit odd. Like, they had nearly 10 years and they couldn't give a good reason for Louie to be bad? Really? He just faints after turning people to leaf-min and attempting to kill you and its just...laughed off. 🙃

Everything your saying here is exactly what I thought with the game and it's been bugging me how everyone else seems to just think the game is perfectly fine outside of some small problems when it's not, I don't think the game is bad but some of the choices they made were not well thought out or were just undoing the good changes Pikmin 3 deluxe had. I would understand most of the choices for trying to draw in newer players or non-gamers, but I find the game is still to stressful even for them so it's sitting in this kind of awkward ground where it's to easy for people way into it, and it's to stressful for hyper casuals doing things for the 1st time. I don't think removing Oatchie is the right thing to do, but I do agree with nerfing him, the game is built to much around using him that it just would just all need to be reworked, I also don't think removing types is the right thing to do either as I feel other than winged I found myself using all of them, instead they just need to give said types more things that only they can do or do better such as the yellows where I think this was the game I was using them the most, and not just because of a instant death hazard but rather for their other traits too. I also wish all the caves were twice as long other than the last one, they all just end so quickly I feel not letting the gimmicks of a hole really flesh out as much as I would have wanted. Overall nothing in the game really matters which makes me ask myself why should I care? Pikmin deaths don't matter when all of them are so easy to regain even without the onions since you can just go straight to any floor in any cave you want at anytime, leaving in the middle of a cave without using an exit as no punishment so why not abuse it? sprays are so stupid easy to get that even when your not going for them you will still have 30+ by the time your done everything, captain knock outs don't matter when you can just walk straight back over to the fallen captain and just wake them up and keep going like nothing happened. That is all not talking about the rewind which is over kill, it's all built just to get itself over with as fast as possible and not put up any real resistance unless you don't use any of your tools. Anyways good video.

As a worker for Nintendo, allow me to explain. As the reason for why Bulbmin are not there, the only Bulbmin we had left ate 71 pounds of sand and died. For Puffmin, somebody accidentally deleted the files, and we couldn’t find their proper color again. (These are jokes btw)

The game may tell you what oikmin types you should bring in but nothing is stopping you from replacing one of thr types that it reccomends that are not neccisarily required but may be more helpful, for instance in the first are red pikmin have 2 use cases in the two firey blowhogs, you could forgo using them and bring in more of other types or mabye bring in some purples or wings.

If the next game brings back all the pikmin with some new ones on top of that then they should try to raise the pikmin cap up to 150 or 200. Maybe the could integrate the flarlic item in to the expanded pikmin cap. Like maby you start the game with a 50 pikmin limit and neer the end you have full expanded it to 200 pikmin.

Type limit should've been 5 and the game should've been called "Pikmin 4 & Oatchi" not just "Pikmin 4"

I think your self imposed challenge talked sums up how i feel about parts of 4 After playing through pokemon SV, ive started to have the stance of "If a game only becomes hard when I deliberately dont use the tools they clearly want me to use, then the game has failed with its difficulty" With the auto suggest, im mixed. On the overworld, 100% agree it doesnt really need to be there. In caves, i think its definitely forbthe best however

i feel like the final bosses design is bad and it doesn't fit in with the rest of the bosses

I can be okay if Bulbmin dont appear but when I met the puffstoll....and i made 100 Pikmin go to it....i except Puffmin......NOT DANCING PIKMIN

One of my main issues with Pikmin 4 is simply that it has awful pacing. The crew speaks WAY too much. I’m all for a more involved story (one of the big reasons why I liked Pikmin 3), but there’s still a limit. I couldn’t even finish the demo because I was bored out of my mind most of the time. My other big issue with Pikmin 4 is the TERRIBLE Ui. Especially coming from someone diagnosed with OCD, this game has genuinely some of the worst Ui design i have ever seen. There’s way too many options’ subsections, and everything’s organized terribly. It’s overly complicated, and extremely confusing to navigate. Also, it visually pales in comparison to Pikmin 3’s UI aesthetic. I do prefer this more digital-like style (rather than 3’s more organic-like style), but I just hate how it was executed. It doesn’t feel tasteful nor consistent between the different menu subsections and pop-in balloon messages.

im not a huge fan of the new cartoony redesign but i do love that almost everything is back AND PIKMIN 4 EXISTS!!!!

ngl I think oatchis whole reason was to appear to players to sell the game more

Strongly disagree (Respectfully)

Honestly I agree with most of this but I also have one major problem with something and that is WINGED PIKMIN, they did my babies extremely dirty, also Rock Pikmin, basically they get completely underused and most of the things that made them useful and cool GOT REMOVED, Rock Pikmin are still strong and are even stronger than purples with Oatchi rush but the EXTREME lack of crystal and rock Pikmin needed enemies is awful, there is barely any need to use the rocks because you can even destroy and kill the bare 2 crystal walls in the whole game and the only actual rock needed enemy with a bomb easily, sure thy can be fun to use but you don’t really ever need to actually use them, and for the winged Pikmin I see the vision they had but it just didn’t work, I loved the concept of mud pits and that winged Pikmin could grab things in the mud to be able to transport it but this doesn’t work at all when introducing mud pits SO LATE into the game and having so little use of actual things in the mud (actually I don’t think there is any actual treasure in the mud pits just enemies so you never even really need the winged to carry anything other than enemies or stuff from the mud) but also because they took away most of the winged Pikmin’s use features, bamboo walls and BEING ABLE TO BE CHARGED UNDERWATER, honestly I’m just really against how they made them work, there is also not flying enemies AT ALL that need wingeds or that it is more convenient to use them, you can’t charge them or command them at all in water or while riding Oatchi and it just makes them actually feel weird to use and they just look unfinished imo

At 2:05 you say, "It would have been so much cooler to see the Water Wraith return". I'm confused, this boss is in Pikmin 4. You see in the Engulfed Castle cave, and during one of the Safe Leaf Trials. I agree tho with your assessment that the game babies you with Oatchi and the rewind feature.

None of the Puzzles in Pikmin 4's cave match the puzzles in 3's worlds, & the cave environments aren't interesting, they feel procedural in layout, thematically one-dimensional, & in large part recycled from 2; they are also too centered around combat, which is bad because the combat in this game is bad(on account of the terrible controls)

want bulbmin? sure, just gimme time...

I have a very complicated relationship with Pikmin 4. I like it but I think it has a lot of problems. I keep hearing people say that Pikmin 4 is perfect, but I completely disagree. Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a good game and I had fun with it but it has a lot of problems. Oatchi basically makes most Pikmin obsolete. It makes Pikmin 4 feel anti Pikmin💀. I think Pikmin 1 and 3 are absolute masterpieces but 2 and 4 are just ok. I honestly think hey pikmin is better than pikmin 2. Pikmin 2 may be may least favorite in the series but I was honestly kind of disappointed with Pikmin 4 because of all of its problems that sometimes I would say that it’s my least favorite. And absolutely none of this is coming from nostalgia because I played all of the games back to back for the first time in preparation for Pikmin 4 a month before it came out

I think having 8 types over world and 9 types in cave without the 3 type limit is decently balanced cuase the less of each type you can have since the limit is still 100 pikmin

I love certian monsters as well, but I feel a bit insulted about you hating the random cave generation in 2. But I admit it's honestly not nice, I'm just a sucker for it personally. I understand it likely not the best. but I have different than oatchi. oatchi is just symtom of some of these issues.I personally love him cause it somewhat reminds me of my dog. and even the gripe of oatchi doesn't look like how bulbie does. is moot. due to it SPAAAACE.... but still I have many issues with pikmin 4 it has SOOO MUCH POTENTIAL AND THE THINGS ADVERTISING HINTED AT JUST MAKES IT WORSE AND WORSE AND AAAAAAH!!

Honestly I have a hard time and had a difficult time playing Pikmin 4 , probably because I keep forgetting to use the dog. Funny thing, when you play the battle mode you can always beat it with the dog with no Pikmin. However every time I fight some boss I forget to ride the dog and think it's Pikmin 3 or 2. More then 1000 Pikmin are dead after being the game. Impossible to beat the final level in one go. Also I didn't upgrade the dog only the fire ability to get into one cave

I give you 3 words as to why 3 Deluxe is still the best game; Auto Lock On!

I feel like an ultra spicy mode would fix most of my problems with pikmin 4, DLC Perhaps?

If I ever play pikmin 4 I am just not going to use Ochi. It is possible to play without using him right?

i think using unreal engine was a mistake everything looked much better in pikmin 3

Wish you could swarm from the git-go. I also wish you could swarm without moving the camera while walking.

TRUE

Pikmin free :D

How do You have 30+ hours in the Game and still havent finish it? It's almost impossible to not 100% it by normal playthroughs and that takes around 27 hours

You said pikmin /4 sucks dont make things worse we waited 9 years and 11 months for this game myamoto is going to see the video and delete the game 😔😔😔 Good video Moss better than oatchi😊😊😊

Otachi ruined pikmin 4 imo.

Let me to explain that the caves are realy just reused caves utr ec sc

My main issue with pikmin 4 is that ochie is waay too powerful. Makes everything way too easy. My other complain is they fd up the chronology

If you don't like that otchi can count as more than 20 mpikmin than don't ugrade him past that

Isn't oatchi suppose to be reliable? Because he is a rescue dog, and he seems pretty reliable to me.

Team bulbmin ❤

So basically this is your least favorite Pikmin game I assume?

Highly disagree

Oatchi is... good dandori

I do not like the ending were you said pikmin 4 sucks cuz its one of the games that i really like but its ok 😢.

Buddy, just because they did not add the Borman doesn’t mean you have to hate pikmin 4 . . . . . . + go cry about it

Gaming is not about difficultly It's about how fun your experience with the game is.

Glad you back. Oatchi is precious. :3

THIS GAME SUX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!