Can you do an hour long discussion about Hellion's biceps next please

The only possible fix would be the heroes getting trashtalking barks whenever they have taunt

Why taunt when you could run the Game of Shadows comp of Leper (or any other good tanker) Runaway, Grave robber, and Intrepide Duelist and have only 1 hero get targetted anyway?

The whole DD2 combat is pretty much just 'do more damage' and the most safe play is killing quickly and you are calling taunt an issue? In most fights enemies cleave and hit specific ranks and 4 attack for 2x aggro - its balanced, aggro alone is not a hard 'disable' like a stun, taunt is only crucial vs some bosses. Taunt skills are good specifically cause of other effects, not aggro and it would be even a waste to have just a plain 'taunt' skill, no one even plays Carcass despite her double weaken taunt with free blocks and Vanguard is way more popular than Bulwark too. Damage>everything else, even on harder flames like the no-healing one. Oh and you have 2 free taunt trinkets which arent even considered good and get tossed away.

Hey shuffle, really glad youre passionate about this topic and thanks for stirring up conversation on it. Im of the opinion that i disagree with a lot of what you said and think a few changes to heros taunt skills and not how taunt works would fix any problem there and the rest of pain points I heard, I dont really agree with! I really do not like the proposed example at the end as well as that would be less intuitive (harder to see who taunted what at a glance) and due to debuff res having a taunt centered move get res would feel real bad especially with cool downs. I think changing it drastically like that is a bad idea and hope for skills to be balanced individually and the taunt token to stay the same. Thanks for reading and take care!

I like the single target taunt idea but Taunt tokens should probably remain as they are. I would like to see them add single target taunting in a new Provoked token (or some better name), though. It could replace taunts in the problematic moves (Retribution, More More), and since it's weaker it could be put into enemy toolkits with less worry and more counterplay. Having both tokens available would give the devs more tools to balance with.

I really like the idea of "Taunting" a specific enemy, as it rewards game knowledge in a good way. You Taunt the trouble targets that you know your tank can take hits from, so you have to know which enemies to actually be worth Taunting. If they still want to keep "Group-Wide" Taunts like it is in the game now, maybe instead of forcing enemies to hit the Taunt, it makes it so enemies have a psuedo-Blind token when attacking anybody who isn't Taunted. This could make it so you Taunt on your tank, and it "forces" the enemies (in a way) to clear that Taunt in order to more effectively attack your squishy targets in the back. This works a bit more how D&D handles taunt, where they make it so you have Disadvantage on targets other than the one Taunting.

24:17 Shuff got Front Mortar-ed irl

dd2 is totally a perfectly balanced game with no unfair moves or mechanics and lots of counterplay

i'm not sure i understood how sickening silence would make a stupidly powerful man-at-arms, is it just so you don't contract other diseases that would be more negative than the ones you mentioned?

hope there is a decently sized update for the confessions campaign before kingdoms dlc other than releasing mod support (they do need to focus it though since it will enhance replayability and the community seems to be getting impatient) vestal and leper (at least his chop pls) need buffs, faster runs (if they can reduce the average/typical run further by 15-20mins that would be so nice), improve the relationship system further, and something to do with excess candles (maybe a new mechanic like the one you use candles to hire bh in the inn or a new location in altar of hope) on stuns maybe if they release a new hero like Houndmaster that has limited use Blackjack with cooldown, that would up the stun meta a bit without making it busted like in DD1 or maybe Leper with reworked Bash (a stun on his kit would also alleviate a little bit of his problems of being so slow and takes too long to build up but im not an expert on balance or meta so this maybe busted) great video, much love p.s.: i recently realized this account is not sub to this channel lmao despite this is the one that discovered it 4 years ago, mb :P

Could you do an hour long discussion next about why pistol shot is the best damaging move in the game

I mean I understand what there coming from but I feel like tanks kinda need a way to protect there team with out taunt how is hellion or leaper or reynauld gonna protect anyone from dmg also I just remember flag what would even replace more more with

What do you think about the general design of DD2 bosses? I feel like DD1 bosses where much more interesting in how you could approach them and what 'strategies' the boss used against you.

I dont think I'm actually that good at DD2 compared to DD1, so Taunt seems balanced to me. I could see how it's a bit a braindead mechanic without many downsides though. I have definitely fucked myself over by putting a Bugle trinket on a More More Flag and still died, so I feel like Taunt abuse has limits. I guess they just need to complicate the mechanic to not make it such an obvious exit from tough situations

I refuse to believe that anyone besides Shuffle actually calls it "Crimson Upside." Not because it's not an upside, but because that's clunky as hell and doesn't roll off the tongue at all. Why not call it the Crimson Blessing? The Crimson Boon? The Crimson Carry? The Crimson Win-Some? Crimson Cool, idk, anything but "Upside." Makes me want to upchuck.

I really hope they do updates on frontliners. MAA with crush hitting up to rank 3 and self heal just makes everyone else a handicap.

I have a really hard time justifying running taunt on Manatarms, and if I run Protector it's for extremely specific fights eg. librarian to keep blind off my main dps. He has too many great skills.

you are pro players at the game. i dont think taunt breaks the game, but making this game even harder can push even more players away from the game. Not everybody have your skill and time to become an expert. So i think they should maintain taunt as is.

Adding onto Flagellant being absurdly hard to kill, my successful Act 5 run was finished out with Scourge Flagellant being solo, alternating More More and Lash's Gift to spam Toxic and healing.

I think the taunt idea at the end can be its own token entirely, provoked token. Enrage an enemy, on turn automatically attack target that provoked them with a chance to miss, if applied to a party member force enraged party member on turn to automatically attack who provoked them with a chance to miss. Basically like how Like a dragon Infinite Wealth does it but with an added chance to miss. Make it 50%.

Would love to see gameplay over these talks, even if it isnt examples of the topics at hand

Can you talk about a "-10% bleed res debuff" for 6 hours straight next

I have an immortal Flagellant, he has had 5 memories and bloodthirsty locked in for god knows how long. He has been alive for close to a year now. No matter what i do, he cannot die.

23:16 also ravenous reach phase 1 stuns on combo 🤓

Would Taunt work better if it had something like a +5% crit chance? That would add some risk to taunting, as well as being able ro use it offensivly.

I dont think More More is OP because the dmg taken is usually higher than the amount he heals. I would say the result is the same dmg taken by a blocked+ hit

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FM, are we gonna get a next episode om every enemy analyzed? Those two videos are some of my favorites

I wonder if you go through the hero skills with the proposed changes would you equip taunt much? I think taunt is largely fine. If anything rather than fixing taunt why not offer skills to certain enemies to mitigate its effectiveness?

I think there's a lot of overlooking of characters' gimmicks and rolls going on here. Tanks and masochists goading attacks. "Braindead move" is interesting. I'm not sure if it requires any more thought as Duelest Advance + Point Blank. Is that also busted? But actually, yeah, taught is a good addition, and I stand by it. Flagellant slingshot his HP in DD1, Man-at-Arms tanked, not all moves need to be a machiavellian master plan. So many things are busted if you find the right trinket in a 3-4 hour run. This feels like a case of surpassing the average player skill base and feeling frustrated because you solved the puzzle. It's thematically and gameplay appropriate. It's on characters that have a use for it. It's good design. I would prefer Red Hook speed up the modding tools so we can all add more tweaks. Excited to see the Shuffed-Flame!

It feels like enemies ignore taunt at least 33% of the time anyway. Perhaps it would be too good if it worked 100%, but it doesn't, at least not for me! Maybe give enemies some amount of Taunt Resist if you think it's too easy.

Love these discussions, I’ve never thought twice about taunt but this has been very thought provoking. keep it up king 👑😄

how about adding a taunt subclass instead of reworking? the one suggested at the end also from Lux could be a Provoke / Challenge token which does exactly that to pick a target. But I never got answered so , if its re-worked is it going to be the same for the enemy when its done to your team? And could then this new token /rework be dodged or ignored ... BY BLIND!??!! pum pum pummmmm!?

More and more is generally redundant due to sepsis.

Please do a beginner’s guide there’s a lot of new players from consoles

😢 when kingdoms 🎉🎉🎉

Flagelent is so very broken and more more is the core of that

Unrelated but I just had the most bs run ever. Was doing a corpse light run and all the worms were dropping corpses on act 5. And lots of graphical glitches felt like the game was possessed. So damn tedious took forever got to boss got it down to 300. It was my grave robbers turn for the 200 dmg thing. Got the debuff that wouldn’t let me use ranged got attacked twice. Then get moved to front line. Move back so I can actually hit rank 4. Enemy had a dodge token miss. Get killed by the second attack in one turn in first death blow. There goes my back liner can’t do anything. Goes to shit. That felt really really bad.

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Wait, this isn't an hour long rant on the taunting rules in the NFL?

I've always been of the opinion that Taunt should've been an actual debuff token. The token would work like an inverse Guard, instead of forcing redirects on all attacks at a specific ally, it would redirect all attacks coming from a specific enemy. This would mean that most taunt moves would need to be soft-reworked to target enemies, but that doesn't seem like a big problem. Overall I just think it would be a good change that makes using taunt as a control effect that's more limited and limited and intentional. It wouldn't change too much for boss fights or encounters with only a single threatening enemy, but at least debuff res would keep it's omnipresent mitigation in check.

Hey bro, good video

I lost so many vestels in darkest dungeon because enemies just ignore the heroes I marked to attack them on low hp in the back. Taunt aint great but at least it aint random

An idea for a fix: remove the targeting mechanic of the token and instead have the holder of the token receive 25% extra damage. Tempts the player into targeting the enemy who has the token, and for the hero it adds risk to the skill being used.

I still hold true that DD2 is one of the worse designed Rougelites. Red Hook fumbled the bag so hard with this game

Glad to see you still trying to enjoy this ass game