WSL is the best thing that ever happened to Windows!

@@PostcardsFromJapan I daily drove all 3 for years (at different times). Used win since DOS times, then used os x around the Win Vista era or so, ran NixOS for maybe a year or two and I'm finally on win 11 these days. In my opinion, win 11 these days is just the one with the fewest paper cuts. OS X is visually pretty, but it sits in a really weird place; the window manager is really pretty bad, not even being able to maximize or tile 50% easily is really bad. XQuartz worked, but it was a pain similar to VcXsrv and homebrew was really not good. Mac OS X was better than cygwin, but that's about it. But the moment you try to do anything in console, you very much feel that it's not gnu/linux. Obviously you want *Linux* for server purposes and there's usually enough of a semantic gap that it's never seamless. Linux is in some ways great and I absolutely loved my xmonad on nixos setup. But the number of times I had to fix something random because again something was a bit non-standard, or because the screen would tear, etc. is horrible. Windows on the other hand you just install and it works, it has a great hypervisor for headless servers, wsl is a perfect real linux environment that's 99% standard. You can run gui apps without messing around with good GPU perf. And you can easily live in a native-rendered vscode but code 100% on linux. It's very good dev environment. And yes, I'd love to have a dynamic tiler on windows, but with powertoys the native window manager is really quite usable and gets out of my way and I can focus on getting my things done. And windows is just miles ahead on hw support. OS X is kinda ok, if you're careful to pick supported HW more or less (yes, there's such a thing as keyboards, printers or scanners and not everything is built into your macbook). Linux HW support is also pretty good these days, but you have to work for it. My ideal system would be a gnu userland with the ability to use my own WM on top of a windows kernel. Linux as a kernel is completely irrelevant in all but very special use cases (e.g. running a 100Gbit router or similar). And the windows kernel is by far the best supported hw-wise. It's the constant paper cuts of hw support on all but windows, the very limited window management on os x as well as being far from linux and the constant paper cuts with not-properly-working ux in linux that makes windows the least painful system for me. Plus, there's of course some windows software that I need because interacting with the rest of the world so usually, there's at least some windows that's necessary. And it's much easier to run linux stuff on windows than vice versa. And os x is even worse, because neither linux nor windows stuff works easily. And not everything is logic pro.

Windows subsystem for MacOS and Windows subsystem for iOS when? :3

@@NuryPPanaligan apple apps on windows? *visible disgust*

Does Fedora not cope with that? Always thought that needs a Wayland based display system to make that use case work properly. So AMD and Fedora are probably the best bet for that. NVidia are doing some work for Wayland in their driver don't know how good it is though.

Woahhh hold on, that sounds like a dream come true for me... But I don't understand how that works? Ive tried remote gaming before, even with both machines on Ethernet and the same local network, but it has always came with some caveats. Lag, occasional stuttering, reduced quality, all that kind of stuff. Do you experience any kind of reduced quality when you game or is it just as good? Could you link a guide or mention the specific method you use or something? You mentioned Parsec, is there any unique way you use that or do you just use it normally?

@Catharsis we can backup and create copies of the VMs and store them in external drives but we can't do the same with wsl

And the development side and soon the desktop side.

@@ajarivas72 Windows has good management now, and will probably claw back any market share it lost, which was already miles ahread anyway, by setting up WSL they've clawed a lot of productivity users back. Windows 11 is quite an improvement on a desktop level as-well, but I agree they aren't as strong on the server side. Though all of this a good thing, it will make Apple and Linux in general have to up their game.

@@devilmanscott I agree with you Scott

​@@ajarivas72i agree with the server side, semi-agree with development and disagree with desktop. about the development, it pretty much depends on what you code, i make programs for Windows so i have to use a windows machine but if that's not the case for you, i guess you'll be fine with linux. and the desktop side, no, just no. please stop saying this ridiculous sentence every. single. year. no linux is not going to destroy macos and windows. its marketshare is always gonna be %1-5 at best. it's not for everyone, it's completely different from windows, even with linux mint/manjaro.

Doesnt this actually mean they won.

The biggest drawback of WSL2 is storage file system. WSL depends on the underlying Windows NTFS. NTFS in 2021 is really terrible, especially for disk-intensive tasks. Let us not go to the direction of using NTFS on an HDD, as that is the worst experience for everyone on Windows.

@@maynnemillares ext4 on an HDD feels as fast as NTFS on SSD, how is that possible, I don't know 😅

The biggest drawback of WSL2 is storage file system. WSL depends on the underlying Windows NTFS. NTFS in 2021 is really terrible, especially for disk-intensive tasks. Let us not go to the direction of using NTFS on an HDD, as that is the worst experience for everyone on Windows.

@@maynnemillares I'm solely running SSD drives on Windows. Samba drives and Jellyfin for other files and such, on a Linux host with ext4.

yep, pretty ironic

@Jameel Khan exactly bro

Never had those issues, maybe wsl 1, but since 2 there's barely any problems now, and it's getting updated a lot, I agree with Chris anyone using Linux mostly for productivity reasons, which includes me won't use Linux natively much now, I only use Linux desktop now to see what's new or not, but go straight back to windows once my stroll through distro valley is done.

It's not resource heavy. Whats going on is the NT Windows kernel uses a big process creation routine when an app is launched to ready an ntfs read write stream. It only happens once until the program is done. With Linux this happens every single read write as win32 is not used to keep the stream opened. Just a different architecture. Wsl2 works around this

Well ya shouldnt make that opinion until you try other distros and other desktop environments. Gnome isn't a light weight desktop environment a s fedora isn't exactly known as the go to for laptops. It's a workstation meant distro.

The biggest drawback of WSL2 is storage file system. WSL depends on the underlying Windows NTFS. NTFS in 2021 is really terrible, especially for disk-intensive tasks. Let us not go to the direction of using NTFS on an HDD, as that is the worst experience for everyone on Windows.

@@maynnemillares yeah I dont know what thats like because I haven't used windows in like 2 years lol so but that sounds like a pain though

Agreed! I use both OS's and plan to keep doing that for awhile now, I really love how you can change anything you don't like in linux, don't like the web browser? Well you can use something else! It's very appreciated. What ZSH plugins do you use?

@@emberavenge7162 Just syntax highlighting and auto suggestions pretty much! There might be others in the repos too but I've never looked

Use Linux switched to it and it’s much nicer

Use linux obviously, or if you want to take up to +4gb of ram idle and +20gb of internal space go for windows

@@klittlet the reason for the bloated RAM requirement: Spyware

​@@CoasterMan13Officialjust debloat it :)

The problem for me with Windows are its endless updates and that Microsoft constant promotion of its AI on it

LoL.😁 Yeap...well put

Windows supports OpenSSH natively,without WSL.

I run vivaldi in wsl2 on windows 11 and its speed seems normal to me.

just stop it from running in the background

Because that would defeat the entire purpose of WSL. WSL is mostly meant for programmers who want to use Linux/UNIX tools in Windows. You might as well just run a full installation of a distro in a VM if you want a desktop environment.

Yes lol

or just use native vine or any other solution windows

That was true several years ago with wsl1. Wsl2 runs on a lightweight hyper-v bare metal hypervisor running on a real Linux kermel. Also it's not ntfs that's slow it's the NT Windows kernel opens a process not a thread to do an IO operation. It's not a problem with win32 apps as it keeps the ntfs stream open through out the life of the program and only opens at startup once. Linux apps use io connections for each read write unlike Win32

@@discrete42 I am talking about closing apps not closing the wsl vm

The biggest drawback of WSL2 is storage file system. WSL depends on the underlying Windows NTFS. NTFS in 2021 is really terrible, especially for disk-intensive tasks. Let us not go to the direction of using NTFS on an HDD, as that is the worst experience for everyone on Windows.

@@maynnemillares what are you talking about? Even microsoft recommend using linux fs and it's faster than native linux

@@maynnemillares have to admit HDD is very bad now days, i had one on my old laptop and using windows on it and it runs awful without optimizations, but SSD is kinda easy to get, it's cheap and most people buys it online, it's not hard to switch to it i suppose.

I do some complex things with it though

Alongside Data Science, software development, private web browsing (maybe?), etc.

@@anurag23611 So do I

You can do very complex things

Its definitely not faster tho. You can even see it in the video. Gedit, a simple editor takes 3 seconds to launch lol. I don‘t know what he thinks qualifies as faster, but my system instantly launches everything, and his pc is definitely faster than mine. Programs launch faster on my 2010 thinkpad x200 with native linux The reason for that is that on linux, the libraries for programs are already loaded, on windows I believe it first starts loading the libraries needed when you launch the program. Compare gimp launchtimes on windows and linux.

But what did he do before running htop??? SSHing into his DNS server. So yeah his DNS server has systemd and is most probably not running windows and WSL...

Do you create videos or edit music...if no...then why are you using Mac os? If that is the case then why not keep it simple and simply only use Linux.

@@motoryzen diversity is fun, just like distros. Windows 10, I got the license from laptop (actually Microsoft rob me). MacOS, just curious with M1 processor. Linux, my daily drive OS until now.

"I put Linux in your Windows, so you can have security while losing security!"

Maybe you people are just addicted to cringe on everything. Who cringes in each and every thing they see out there ?

How does virtualizing windows together with linux make linux insecure?

He will.

He is still covering linux it is not his main priority his main priority is covering windows at the moment not Linux

If youre talking about in the video he said in the video he still dual boots again their are pros and cons to using WSL in windows the best use for using WSL in my opinion is if you were going to ssh in to another linux machine like Ubuntu LTS server red hat Linux

@@techdoc9257 hey stop jumping on the conclusions here.

@@nishantshokeen4279 I'm not?

Windows can't 'extinguish' Linux because they can never control Linux. They tried that years ago after buying Novell and claiming they 'owned' Linux. The Linux World laughed heartily while lawyers pointed out various legal things that prevent Microsoft from even claiming to own Linux. That was the end of that attempt to extinguish Linux.

@@markh.6687 Those days we had people with ideals like Stallman. Nowadays we have people like Titus...

Lol, the funny thing is Microsoft, Amazon, Google, etc. all love the fact the Linux community is so hostile to cross platform users. They never have to worry about Linux. They simply can keep using and abusing FOSS and Linux in there data centers for profit and do NOT want anything to change.

@@TitusTechTalk Do you know why? Because the new generation of FOSS talking heads wants to be abused: "Gimme money and do whatever you want with my freedom". They take their paychecks from those monsters and don't give a f... about FOSS and the community. It was the "Embrace" step... Microsoft loves Linux like crocodile loves it's prey.

Yeah, it just doesn't have any thing going for it for me personally

He knows he is spreading misinformation on purpose, other Linux channels are already talking about him trying to be an edgy contrarian.

@@kelvinhbo Lmao if you look at the numbers then you'd notice that it's actually the butthurt Linux diehards who are the "edgy contrarians."

@@cronchcrunch If you knew anything about Linux you would know that the numbers on every possible metric are better than they've ever been, and will soon be even better with the release of the steam deck. But you wouldn't know that if you just listen to a buffoon like Chris Titus who woke up one day and decided to bash Linux with misinformation and lies. Chris is one of those guys that instead of admitting he was wrong about something, he instead doubles down makes a fool of himself.