The (Racist) Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment | Sci Guys Podcast #64

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4 жыл бұрын

What happens when you mix America’s Public Health Service with 399 men with untreated syphilis? Nothing, for 40 years. That’s right, America secretly ran a study on black men just to see why would happen if they didn’t treat their deadly and transmissible disease.
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@SciGuys
@SciGuys 4 жыл бұрын
Should we study the effect of untreated diseases when treatment is available?
@catwalking4959
@catwalking4959 4 жыл бұрын
should there be a control group?
@charlottekesterton3822
@charlottekesterton3822 2 жыл бұрын
I think informed consent is really relevant here. If, hypothetically, there were a group of people who had reasons for not wanting treatment, and they weren't under any sort of duress, then studying them is probably fine because they were gonna stay untreated anyway. If the study participants are lied to, misled, or withheld treatment that they want, that's super messed up
@ViolentOrchid
@ViolentOrchid 4 жыл бұрын
Not treating a highly communicable diseases in predominantly BIPOC community. Gee, that doesn't sound familiar or relevant during the ongoing pandemic.
@SciGuys
@SciGuys 4 жыл бұрын
Not a clue what you could be talking about. Racism ended in the 1997 when Clinton apologised for the Tuskegee experiment
@nicksturnlvr
@nicksturnlvr 4 жыл бұрын
The people who liked the video before watching the video is the equivalent of unconditionally loving a child🤣🤣🤣🤣
@benbenben1008
@benbenben1008 4 жыл бұрын
It do be that way sometimes
@c0ronariu5
@c0ronariu5 4 жыл бұрын
When I first learned about this horrific tragedy, I was dismayed and shocked that we had never been taught about it in medical school. I was later corrected by a classmate that there had been mentions of it in passing, as a throwaway in lectures, which explained why I hadn’t remembered it a decade later. Which almost made it worse, as they didn’t not teach it out of simple ignorance, but that the lecturers knew about it but didn’t deem it important enough to spend more time on.
@marshaboody9069
@marshaboody9069 3 жыл бұрын
It doesn't take much time to learn about.Thats why.
@MeredithVolkman
@MeredithVolkman 4 жыл бұрын
I honestly had no idea that other people didn't know about this! It was like required learning in several different psych and science courses I took as an example of why ethics committees have to exist for all experiments and what not do.
@SciGuys
@SciGuys 4 жыл бұрын
The interesting part about this though is that an ethics committee let this continue
@MeredithVolkman
@MeredithVolkman 4 жыл бұрын
Sci Guys I guess I should have emphasized specifically the importance of ethics committees that include people other than old, cishet, white men and value all human life equally 😅
@LordJuzzie
@LordJuzzie 4 жыл бұрын
I sit on an ethics committee for my university, and it's amazing how different things are. Academics tend to get frustrated because we are incredibly strict about what we will allow. Tends to lead to some passive aggressiveness but I'd rather that than someone being hurt by research.
@catwalking4959
@catwalking4959 4 жыл бұрын
this reminds me of an experiment with nutrition supplements in africa for young malnourished children. the control group got no nutritional supplement.
@marshaboody9069
@marshaboody9069 3 жыл бұрын
I don't believe you.
@benbenben1008
@benbenben1008 4 жыл бұрын
I think it would be cool if you guys explored what the united states would look like if -conservatives were allowed to change what they wanted -Liberals were allowed to change what they wanted - green party suddenly got bigger
@echannel6162
@echannel6162 4 жыл бұрын
Sci Guys: Laugh Responsibly
@rebbyberard8150
@rebbyberard8150 4 жыл бұрын
the very interesting difference between this and the usage of HeLa cells is that Henrietta's cells were used for immense good and the science itself was nothing less than essential. The fact that she had no say, and really that her family had no say or compensation is the issue. With this, there's no reason this should ever have happened and it's not even bittersweet, like HeLa, it's just frustrating and painful to hear about.
@SciGuys
@SciGuys 4 жыл бұрын
In both the issue is the exploitation of black people regardless of the outcome
@aimeeflay5735
@aimeeflay5735 4 жыл бұрын
I love these podcasts 😂 I prefer the yt videos for some bizarre reason
@ccgillespie9559
@ccgillespie9559 4 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a video exploring the Milgram Experiment, particularly the science that goes into choice and decision making (on a chemical level), but also the long term repercussions it had on its participants
@deovolente5867
@deovolente5867 4 жыл бұрын
Pregnant people, not pregnant women. Corry 🤦‍♂️ Well, it's not THAT important. Just a reminder. Also can I just thank this podcast and Corry specifically for mentioning Tom Scott several times in the episodes? Wow I found a brilliant man and informative and educational entertainment that I watch wile waiting for new sciguys episode. And you know what would be cool? Tom Scott/TechDif collab with SciGuys. That would be a dream come true.
@ali773n
@ali773n Жыл бұрын
Pregnant women
@emeraldsystem344
@emeraldsystem344 4 жыл бұрын
Just found this Chanel thanks to Noah, I'm now addicted!!!!
@themorganrileyshow5520
@themorganrileyshow5520 4 жыл бұрын
The first time I heard about this 'experiment' I cried so hard. The fact that innocent men were treated like utter shit and abused by the public health service, purely for the colour of their skin.
@norahwillows
@norahwillows 4 жыл бұрын
this podcast is so underrated!!! i know you guys will blow up soon
@evelyneb590
@evelyneb590 4 жыл бұрын
Felt instantly happy when I heared Corry's voice starting this episode.
@OliviaBohan14
@OliviaBohan14 4 жыл бұрын
Great podcast, really become a huge fan in the last few weeks after I found this podcast on Spotify! This was one of the most educational podcast I've listened to, sad but necessary to learn about. Can't wait to binge the rest of your podcasts! (May I just point out that Ireland right beside the UK was also horribly colonised and was under British rule for 800 years and our language was almost completely eradicated, plantations forced people from their land, people murdered). We only became a self-governing Dominion on 6 December 1922...no not that long ago really...)
@shanleyphillips1111
@shanleyphillips1111 4 жыл бұрын
2:30 watch for the foot😂
@Itri_Vega
@Itri_Vega 3 жыл бұрын
Another excellent episode. You folks are amazing.
@mr.st3v3ns
@mr.st3v3ns 4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me a bit of a experiment done on patients in a mental institution in southern Sweden, performed during the 1940s and 50s, known as The Vipeholm Experiments (Vipeholmsexperimenten). The initial reason for the study was to scientifically back up the theory that sugar and candy caused dental caries, but even after the scientists had gathered enough scientific backup they continued to use the patients as experimental props, but without governmental approval. Even after norweigan scientists hade proved that sodium fluoride could prevent cavities, the experiments continued. Sweden has a big history of institutional racial biology, and although these experiments weren't performed om non-whites exclusively, where the pseudoscientific ideology declared that people who in one way or another didn't contribute to the welfare state and "the grater good of the nation" were not equal to those who did, which included racial minorities, those who were assumed to be sexually deviant and people with mental and physical disabilities, etc. Disabled people, as for this instance, were incapacitated and thought to be not able to feel any or only little physical and emotional pain, which then could morally back up the experiments done on them. The patients did not sign any consent forms or did not receive any economical compensation, to my knowledge, and most of the patients have passed away now.
@taylahxo3690
@taylahxo3690 4 жыл бұрын
Hiya, I listen to you guys to go to sleep, I would love some more about historical figures in science and physics 💕 thank you for being unapologetically yourselfs!
@brenna5200
@brenna5200 2 жыл бұрын
Finally going through and watching all of the sci guys episodes, and oh my god this one is so much. I knew a little about this experiment, but I didn’t realize the full extent of it or how recent it was. Absolutely horrifying to think that just 60 years ago, people were allowing this to happen. 60 years ago! And people try to act like these things are far in the past. I forgot how people in the US (myself included) are so far removed from all the atrocities this country has committed
@yashajung7037
@yashajung7037 3 жыл бұрын
Great Content 👊🏿💯
@gothiccck6296
@gothiccck6296 3 жыл бұрын
The stanford prion experiment as it lead to human rights in experiments in the 70s so that's probably why this was shut down
@cez_is_typing
@cez_is_typing 4 жыл бұрын
This gives me some “little Albert” vibes, would love for you guys to talk about that experiment
@SciGuys
@SciGuys 4 жыл бұрын
We already have!
@cez_is_typing
@cez_is_typing 4 жыл бұрын
Sci Guys Apologies! I’ve since watched it and it lived up to my expectation thank you!
@cae_
@cae_ 4 жыл бұрын
wait, what did they do with smallpox? was it in 2002?
@jennifervasquez
@jennifervasquez 4 жыл бұрын
Havent watched the episode yet but i learned about this experiment in my social problems class its gonna be interesting knowing about what happened seeing white people react to the atrocity that this was
@madzombiebaby
@madzombiebaby 4 жыл бұрын
loved the episode, but I really wished you didn't say "pregnant women" and "mothers", when there are pregnant people who aren't women. it made me kinda dysphoric and made it hard to listen, which is a shame because I really wanna learn through your podcast.
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