The Radeon 480: was it a Success VS Nvidia?

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With the power of hindsight, I look reflect on Polaris and judge whether the Radeon 400 series was a success.
0:00 - Intro
0:39 - The Story of the Radeon 4800 series
1:58 - AMD falling behind
3:31 - Polaris
4:19 - The previews
5:30 - Was Polaris like the 4800 series all over again?
7:31 - VS Geforce 900 series
8:19 - Efficiency Wars!
9:42 - The Geforce 1060
10:20 - The rest of the lineups
11:58 - How many were bought? And reasons
16:25 - Mining
17:24 - Conclusion
My Polaris Preview video: • Nvidia VS AMD : The RX...
Adoredtv's undervolting video: • Overclocking, Undervol...
This video started as an afternoon project and became a 4 day slog, going through several different versions. I wanted to make this video easy to understand, fast-paced and somewhat entertaining, though I had to skip over some of the smaller details along the way. Behold, my disclaimers:
* I'm not too interested in getting into an Nvidia VS AMD argument, I haven't deliberately twisted the figures to make one company look better than the other. Treat this as a rough overview of the architectures, and if you want to know more then I suggest you look up detailed reviews yourself.
* There's also an 8 GB 470 and 4 GB 480.
* The 4800 VS Geforce 200 benchmarks were from Anandtech articles, not all games were included in the comparison as not all cards were shown for each. I did my best to feature all of the games that were benchmarked on all of the cards. www.anandtech.com/show/2556
* I don't recall the Radeon 4870 being QUITE so fast compared to the Geforce 280. I notice the 94% was in part from a strong Bioshock performance... but why not. It's still a game.
* The 400 VS Geforce 900 benchmarks were from Guru3d reviews, as they had a better range of games and comparisons. Again, I tried to find games and settings that were tested for all graphics cards in this video. www.guru3d.com/articles-pages...
* The Geforce 1060 3 GB was problematic as they had changed the list of games reviewed by then. Rather than to cut the games out, I decided to guess the performance from the other results and to make it clear with a big colourful disclaimer in the video itself! www.guru3d.com/articles-pages...
* Geforce 970 didn't seem to be benchmarked on Doom Vulkan, so the number you'll see here is from OpenGL, which may have dropped average performance by like, 1%.
* You could probably also undervolt a Geforce 1060 to get better performance.
* Pricing was also difficult. The Radeon 460 was released for more than $99, but because I was comparing it to the Geforce 1050 I used the price it was at upon the Geforce 1050's launch for fairness. I also had trouble finding the Geforce 970 and 980 prices at the time of Polaris's release. It's so hard to do!
* Yes, Steam Hardware is skewed because it represents Chinese LAN cafes as well. But that's because they're all using Nvidia cards :P
* That being said, I'm proud of what I've found in this video. I've been fascinated by how Polaris fared compared with the older 4800 series and with this video I think I've found some closure. I hope that you enjoy this video.
Impact Prelude Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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@philippthecat9098 5 жыл бұрын

how many tries did that hellalalalot take?

@BattousaiHBr 5 жыл бұрын

yes.

@youtuberobbedmeofmyname 5 жыл бұрын

It took a hellalalalot of takes.

@Qimchiy 5 жыл бұрын

1:56

@mohdparveznasirkhan3922 5 жыл бұрын

100000000

@brunnen153 5 жыл бұрын

What a shame, I got an RX 480 two years ago and couldn't be happier with it, but even back then I noticed that many people didn't even consider AMD to be an option.

@Ventell_ 5 жыл бұрын

they buying nvidia and blame amd for no reason, freesync everywhere but 1060 better choice for they...

@smashypeople 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah my 480 can play pretty much anything on max settings

@BudgetBuildsOfficial 5 жыл бұрын

Top Job on the Analysis The one area where I dont often see mentioned is that when the Polaris prices did hit their rock bottom pricing of around £160 for an RX480 and £130 for an RX470 there were a lot of shops selling excess AMD Fury's for around the sub £200 mark. Even im guilty of giving out the advice as at the time you were seeing 10% Less Performance than a 1070 in most titles for essentially RX480/GTX1060 Money. As for the mining the only real downside is mindshare, I built a fair share of PCs using the RX470 when it hit its lowest price. As for the same price as the GTX1050Ti (£130) which was miles worse, and lacked Freesync (Which I find to be a real game changer overall). But since mining hit AMD Prices have yet to really return to a stable price, sure we get the odd sale down to £150 for some of the RX Cards, but usually the GTX Cards will often be the same price if not cheaper...Meaning those just end up selling better, still its good AMD Could profit out of it, as realistically at the end of the day they are a company. AMD Really needs to do something about mindshare, and Polaris could have been just that with its very promising low power consumption, but unfortunately that ship has sailed, and ill be suprised if the RX590 uses sub 200Watts like it should be capable of doing. All AMD Cards I have had (Bar the HD7770 which was flawless from the factory) needed an undervolt, my R9 285, My Fury, etc... The performance is always the same but I can shave a lot of my power consumption by changing a few numbers in Wattman. Their Vega chips continued this, and we've all seen how scalable they are. To this day Nvidia has handled their "Mistakes" better than when AMD has an issue, examples being the FX5000 Series which was followed up by the decent (albeit lackluster) 6000 Series, and Fermi, which was followed up with Fermi2 (Which is hands down one of the best aging architectures that isnt GCN), fixing peoples major gripes within one generation. Im not a fanboy for either company, but I do tend to buy AMD as its best for what I do, and when you consider how good and cheap Freesync is then the choice of a GPU when you have a budget in mind becomes vastly skewed. TL'DR: Polaris was good, AMD made some money, but it screwed with their brand image especially when paired with the poor Vega Launch.

@TailedCarpet 5 жыл бұрын

Freesync is a snac

@AFPMPU 5 жыл бұрын

that polaris launch was tainted by the boom of cryptomining at that time. We never saw that $200 price tag at least here in my country. More like $300 at the very least.

@Ben-ew3hv 5 жыл бұрын

Love your videos, good to see you here

@Ben-ew3hv 5 жыл бұрын

Also where were you finding such cheap rx480s I looked and all were £240 when I was buying my pc( ended up getting a 1060)

@BudgetBuildsOfficial 5 жыл бұрын

@@Ben-ew3hv: Amazon and eBuyer. I was really tempted by them but went for a Fury Myself.

@tomam258 5 жыл бұрын

A great M id range D eal

@lapinus 5 жыл бұрын

damn

@Worgen4ik 5 жыл бұрын

Try to say this towards Ryzen CPUs.

@totally_not_a_skeleton-old 5 жыл бұрын

AMRD

@BattousaiHBr 5 жыл бұрын

ayy

@obrezman1668 5 жыл бұрын

A ncient M idget D ick

@lukewoodcock7541 5 жыл бұрын

I proudly own an RX 580. I owned a GTX 660ti for 5 years and decided to switch to AMD due to the weak long-term driver support and performance of the 660ti. While at the time of release the 660ti was faster than the AMD competitors (7850 and 7870) the relative performance decreased over time. I even decided to pay a premium for the 580 over the 1060 as I purchased during the mining craze. My only complaint has been inconsistent free sync performance for my 144hz monitor at frame rates low in the range (48-60), but this is outweighed because I could actually afford a 144hz monitor. At the moment, I plan to continue purchasing AMD unless they become completely uncompetitive.

@issaciams 5 жыл бұрын

What games and settings are you getting such low fps in? Are you always using ultra settings or something?

@lukewoodcock7541 5 жыл бұрын

issaciams you mean regarding freesync? Very few games. I noticed the issue when testing free sync using a benchmark and have only noticed it in games like fallout 4 (though free sync remains an improvement). It’s really a non-issue, just was the one thing that caused me frustration since my purchase.

@instantkarma1978 5 жыл бұрын

But the 660ti didn't compete with the 7850 and 7870, the Tahiti LE 7870 XT was the competitor. 7870 competed with the 660 and 7850 was up against the 650ti Boost.

@lukewoodcock7541 5 жыл бұрын

@@instantkarma1978 Those were the cards within a similar price bracket, and in my research I looked at relative performance. You're right, though, which makes this comparison even more striking: 660ti: www.userbenchmark.com/PCGame/FPS-Estimates-The-Witcher-3--Wild-Hunt/3855/7683.0.0.0.0 Normal 7870: www.userbenchmark.com/PCGame/FPS-Estimates-The-Witcher-3--Wild-Hunt/3855/7714.0.0.0.0

@GTFour 5 жыл бұрын

5 years out of a 660Ti! :o

@Atilolzz 5 жыл бұрын

I am kinda bummed AMD stocks plummeted 50%

@fjell2001 5 жыл бұрын

BUY BUY BUY

@generalkitten2100 5 жыл бұрын

I sold some time before they dropped at about 25$

@rinhato8453 5 жыл бұрын

I'm kinda bummed I didnt have the money to buy a buttload of stocks when they were at $1.50 each

@NoTrip 5 жыл бұрын

I lost over 1k this week lmao

@Aizex1 5 жыл бұрын

I lost a bunch of money because of that.

@connorblack1733 5 жыл бұрын

You've been on fire recently with the vids Phil. Great Job!

@dallebull 5 жыл бұрын

Member when high end PC was

@GhostSamaritan 5 жыл бұрын

Back in the day a computer could cost more than a couple of brand new cars.

@muc0rmuc3do 5 жыл бұрын

I member

@dhkatz_ 5 жыл бұрын

I don't remember because that was never true. There's something called inflation.

@JustJackOnYoutube 5 жыл бұрын

Ryzen 7 1700 x370 16 GB ddr4 gtx 1070 Ti 500gb SSD

@patent5421 5 жыл бұрын

what are you talking about? right now you can build a 1440p PC with ryzen 2600 and GTX 1070Ti for 1000$...

@MrStn 5 жыл бұрын

1:55 cracks me up every time xD

@ishaan863 5 жыл бұрын

Here in India NVidia DOMINATES the market simply because they have the supply. AMD cards sell here at double, triple their original MSRPs and Nvidia ends up being just cheaper. So while the Ryzen CPUs are popular here now, Polaris never even had a chance.

@mikuzoid 5 жыл бұрын

Here in the UK it's the complete opposite now. My mate just got an RX 580 4gb for £130 and I got my Vega 64 for £300. It's crazy how variable the prices can be in different countries.

@ricomotions5416 5 жыл бұрын

@@mikuzoid yea here in my country amd cards muccch cheaper as well, like €220 for msi 580 8gb and €280 GTX 1060 6gb

@syncmonism 5 жыл бұрын

That was probably an after-effect of the mining craze. I know that the prices for all Polaris cards is way lower than Nvidia options in most places, and definitely is happening in my region (Canada).

@stuartmacleod7896 5 жыл бұрын

EIGHTEEN MINUTES of Philip-y goodness. We don't deserve this.

@formerlymax 5 жыл бұрын

This is such an informative channel. I'm only recently getting into more technical pc hardware, but i feel like vids like these have pretty good starter videos on how the market and cards work. I really love listening to kliksphillip's voice too

@doufmech4323 5 жыл бұрын

AMD has much better open-source drivers than Nvidia. That's why I chose an AMD GPU.

@izaicslinux6961 5 жыл бұрын

Same here. I had a 1050 TI, but i opted to sell it to get a AMD 5604G OC because of the drivers. (I got it on sale too, so even though there is a decent performance hit, it's still for me, a much better value alongside the open source drivers)

@2911oscar 5 жыл бұрын

I bet you gain so much fps from them being open source

@NorvitoTV 5 жыл бұрын

@@2911oscar Controversial Opinion, I know, but: There's more to buying a graphics card than just FPS numbers

@B4rr4cudk4 5 жыл бұрын

@@2911oscarfor some people there are more important things then 5 fps, like company integrity for one :)

@Scrumplex 5 жыл бұрын

Linux user? If yes: high five

@Zeropointmagic-mh9pv 5 жыл бұрын

I very much enjoyed your perspective on this subject, recognizing that there can be a difference between technical success and financial success.

@ZeroThe2nd 5 жыл бұрын

Still love your CPU-GPU videos. They're very well researched and properly structured. Please keep making them if you have the time. Thanks a lot Phillip!

@ShawFujikawa 5 жыл бұрын

After getting thoroughly hooked on researching computer specs over the last month, it's awesome timing for you to release a GPU hindsight video. Helps me to validate what I have learned. :D

@levdar9860 5 жыл бұрын

Hallo im from the 0.6% of peapole who use rx580 witnes me

@MaxonerousX 5 жыл бұрын

You have been witnessed

@the8bitapple786 5 жыл бұрын

Glad to see another 580 user.

@wabachi 5 жыл бұрын

@@the8bitapple786 getting mine in a month haha

@adroxorz 5 жыл бұрын

Sooo Karsa Orlong

@ZuckerbroTx3 5 жыл бұрын

have it , it's nice . next year Navi. I hope it is less power hungry with 1080 performance , instant purchase

@Thomas-rc9sc 5 жыл бұрын

I got an rx480 about 2 years ago just after it came out. I got the founders edition thinking it looked better for some reason but it's been doing me well so far. I paired it with a I7 6700k and have had some good success at gaming in 4k now!

@izaicslinux6961 5 жыл бұрын

Polaris really isn't bad. For the money, it gives quite a punch.

@Thomas-rc9sc 5 жыл бұрын

Despondent perfect for me. I mainly play csgo and some light 3D modelling so it’s perfect. I was going to fork out for a 1070 but tbh this is perfect

@elfoxy1997 5 жыл бұрын

I've got the same cpu+GPU :)

@Thomas-rc9sc 5 жыл бұрын

@@elfoxy1997 Aw nice! U play many games on them?

@MalwStrider 5 жыл бұрын

I also got mine 1 year and a half ago to pair it with my A10 5800K. My bottleneck generator has been doing well so far. My gpu doesn't event get to 40% most of the time but still performing pretty nicely

@TargetRenegade 5 жыл бұрын

This is a great video, really enjoyed it. Well done. 👌

@ypsilondaone 5 жыл бұрын

Im proud Philipp. Meantioning AdoredTV is always cool.

@Hadrexus 5 жыл бұрын

I'm currently using a kinda obscure 4GB RX560D, which is a rehashed 460. I'm very happy with it and am surprised at how powerful it actually is.

@Pudgeee 5 жыл бұрын

A lot of benchmarks are set at unreasonable settings, making people think these cards aren't very capable today. Lowering settings is pretty underrated.

@MJ-uk6lu 5 жыл бұрын

@@Pudgeee I have RX 560 non D and it's not that great. Sure I try to play at 1440p and should have bought at least 570. Still RX 560 did well for a while at 1440p. Now it's almost impossible to play anything on lowest at 1440p at all. I could play GTA 5 at 1440p medium-high settings, but now I can only play CoD WW2 at 1440p lowest settings (except AF and textures) with 45 fps and Far Cry 5 at 1440p needs near lowest settings and 0.7 resolution scaling to only get 40 fps stable. Meanwhile RX 570 or 580 does 1440p just fine. Can't comment on nVidia this gen, but after owning GTX 650 Ti and remembering how they gimped drivers (DOOM only ran at 640x480, lowest settings and sweet 35 fps. Sadly I can't even see that cinematic experience well) for it. I don't expect anything good out of 1050 or 1050 Ti in long term. If I only played at 1080p, then RX 560 would be much better card, but still sweet spot is 570 or 580, which are like 2 times faster for 30-50 percent increase in price.

@Pudgeee 5 жыл бұрын

@@MJ-uk6lu Well, why would you play at 1440p with a 560? It's a budget 1080 card (or lower), and anything above that is fairly unreasonable to expect good performance on.

@MJ-uk6lu 5 жыл бұрын

@@Pudgeee Because my monitor is 1440p? Anyway I play mostly much older games and they run great at 1440p ultra settings. I really don't care about modern games and got it because I was worried that gtx 650 Ti won't handle UT2004 at max setting in 1440p.

@Pudgeee 5 жыл бұрын

@@MJ-uk6lu I just don't get what your point was when bringing up the fact that it can't play modern games at 1440p. If anyone were to play today's games on that resolution, they wouldn't rely on a 560. Older games are obviously entirely different.

@jameswhitehead34 5 жыл бұрын

In Australia, AMD cards are significantly cheaper than the NVidea cards... yet.. there always seems to be many more NVidea cards.

@CurtissB 5 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure about significantly cheaper but I have seen a lot of RX 580s on sale for $300 recently. Though I got a 1060 6gb from msy in 2016 for the same price, but it was clearance stock

@azimislam8388 5 жыл бұрын

need more tech videos like this! Loved the video

@epicosity1224 5 жыл бұрын

I didn't think I'd learn as much as I did from this video. Thanks Philip!

@dylanhyers6716 5 жыл бұрын

i couldn't care less about gpu's, but for some reason i can't help but watch everything that this guy makes. love you philip

@dontuse10 5 жыл бұрын

@i Draw Ikr not as if its needed for a game

@BankruptGreek 5 жыл бұрын

@@dontuse10 guys since I subbed to this guy I stopped playing games :/

@BankruptGreek 5 жыл бұрын

@@dontuse10 it's as if every single game out there suddenly felt like shit, and no new release excites me any more, please sent help... :( as of this month I ve used my phone more than my triple monitor gaming computer next to me...

@BattousaiHBr 5 жыл бұрын

HOW DARE YOU NOT CARE ABOUT GPUS

@dylanhyers6716 5 жыл бұрын

i put this comment here to show how this guy can make something that doesn't interest me very entertaining, chill

@BarneyKB 5 жыл бұрын

for me the main benefit of amd over nvidia is freesync. two seemingly identical cards from amd and nvidia in reality will be very different price wise, if the user decides to buy a good monitor for the card. basically any decent monitor these days will have freesync, but if you want adaptive sync on nvidia you will need to shell out a few hundred more. It's for this reason that i bought a vega 56, even when an equivalent nvidia card may have been slightly cheaper.

@AntonioZL 5 жыл бұрын

great video, Philip. Love when you talk about technology.

@issaciams 5 жыл бұрын

Aye your channel is growing pretty fast. Nice.

@Alex-jk2qy 5 жыл бұрын

Im glad to see you uploading something i love the most in my life.

@MonsieurX12 5 жыл бұрын

The RX480 was really a good investement for me, I paired it with a Intel I5 6500, it worked beautifully until the Intel CPUs were nerfed after the discovery of Windows vulerability earlier this year, that caused a bottleneck on some games. It wasn't really behind the 1060, often being faster in some games, with 8GB of memory, I tought I could use it for VR in the case it took off.

@theodor12 5 жыл бұрын

Great video! I love these hardware analysis videos

@anchorbait6662 5 жыл бұрын

Great video. Thanks for diving into that one Mr clicks :)

@patrikmiskovic791 5 жыл бұрын

470 and 570 cost same as 1050ti now cheaper than 1050ti , 580 faster than 1060 and cheaper .

@Dantido 4 жыл бұрын

Not faster than 1060. Well, 1% or 2% better, alright, but it's so small we can consider them equal.

@Niko-cj4mp 5 жыл бұрын

I actually was trying to buy a RX 480 but couldn't find one where it was priced at MSRP and other NVIDIA cards were easier to find and cheaper, so i just went with a 1060 instead.

@NathanCho 5 жыл бұрын

Ikr if i find rx480 around 150 right now id consider it

@snetmotnosrorb3946 5 жыл бұрын

That's pretty much how it is. Low turnover makes the shelf space fro Radeon cards more expensive, which is why Radeon cards are much more expensive than MSRP in parts of the world. And when more chose Nvidia because of low availability and high price of Radeon cards, fewer sellers will have an incentive to stock Radeon cards at all. It's a vicious circle.

@commandertaco1762 Жыл бұрын

The 480 for 200 was honestly such a steal, especially looking at prices today for new GPUs

@dondraper4438 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome video, really caught me off guard.

@julle5417 5 жыл бұрын

you are one of the best youtubers.

@johnsundsethvik6918 5 жыл бұрын

I bought 2 RX 480's right around launch, then sold the cards to miners and bought a Titan Xp(p).

@lucasrem 5 жыл бұрын

john 119w PC gamers are all on GTX 1080, AMD is a joke, other levels....Fortnite, Overwatch levels! When you run Console games on a PC, you need GTX 1080 levels, or keep using the console!

@lucasrem 5 жыл бұрын

@My Company GmbH RX580ZEN1600 Warum nicht einem AMD spielcomputer? Fornite, gutes AM4 Zen AMD, navi, keine festplatte!!!!

@matamanthemaster 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Philip. As someone who liked hardware I got very familiar with NVIDIA's lineup of GPUs. I never new the naming schemes for the AMD side. This video is great at explaining the names and positioning.

@Slotered 5 жыл бұрын

I enjoy these videos so much.

@Ender1337 5 жыл бұрын

I got the RX 580 and I´m happy with it.

@fluuglue 5 жыл бұрын

The thing about being a cheap VR ready card, in hindsight looking at how the VR market developed, was a bad business move. VR sets didn't come down in price, they rather pretty much kept their premium pricing along with getting new technology in making the manufacture even more expensive. In the end, why would you buy a cheap videocard that can barely run a videogame now in VR, when you are already dropping a major stack of money on the headset.

@BuxtonsWater 5 жыл бұрын

The pricing did go down though. Dramatically.

@ryanrising2237 5 жыл бұрын

Buxton It did, but not to the point where it was proportional to the low amount of money the RX480 cost. Sure, a Vive is $600 now instead of $800, but that’s still a very premium product where the card is not.

@BuxtonsWater 5 жыл бұрын

@@ryanrising2237 The vive isn't the only VR headset out there. Rift is cheaper, and WMR headsets are even cheaper than that. Also, did KZfaq finally fix not being able to reply to individual people? Thank christ.

@ChucksSEADnDEAD 5 жыл бұрын

@@BuxtonsWater it came back like a month or two ago, it got disabled, and now a few days ago replies with tags are back. I wonder if it has anything to do with google+ getting axed.

@ryanbohney9151 5 жыл бұрын

@@BuxtonsWater Oh my goodness, you're right. This is wonderful! Now, I did a search for WMR and the first result is a HP headset around $450. The Rift and a few others are currently sitting at about $400, maybe a little less? Now, that is cheap compared to where they originally were, no doubt about it. But I think the point still stands - that's as much as an entire game console at launch, it's not the widely available piece of kit that those cards were hoping it'd be. At least that's how I see it

@PietervanHerpt 5 жыл бұрын

To be honest, I know next to nothing about this subject. But the way you present makes the video really interesting! Watched the whole 18.28

@TroelsKrghKedududu 5 жыл бұрын

Hey Philip, I enjoy your spreadsheets of data, but I think on occasion something like conditional formatting would be appreciated :)

@Atilolzz 5 жыл бұрын

Philip IMPORTANT: Steam Statistics takes information from every PC worldwide PER ACCOUNT, meaning if you and your friend used the same PC with the same hardware, Steam would register the hardware twice. And some countries, especially China, is known for having PC Gaming Cafes, which usually have mid tier power efficient GPUs, meaning they have GTX 1060s and 1070s. Imagine hundreds of people logging into those PCs every day and Steam registering the hardware every single time on the very same PC, of course Nvidias power efficient cards would seem rather bloated.

@DumbArse 5 жыл бұрын

ChinaSteam I'm not sure you understand how the Peoples Republic of China works. There are very few chinese people who dare fuck with anything western so they have their own clients and games specially made for internet caffees

@Aelfraed26 5 жыл бұрын

That doesn't explain the 1050 Ti and 1050.

@dilliee 5 жыл бұрын

There is absolutely no way the number is inflated to that degree. It is well known Nvidia has a massive market share lead over AMD.

@tyjuji 5 жыл бұрын

They fixed that in May.

@skuyzy198 5 жыл бұрын

It doesn't matter. Nvidia is so far ahead that even this doesn't make any difference at all.

@VaJohn 5 жыл бұрын

Still rocking my Gigabyte RX 460 4G Winforce OC, plays 1080p/60fps medium settings on most games like a boss!

@DumbArse 5 жыл бұрын

VaJohn High and Ultra setting are getting blown out of proportion. I personally can't stand bloom, gloom, lens flare, depth of field, colour correction and all of those so I always use medium or low.

@rush21hit 5 жыл бұрын

Who can honestly say finishing any game on Ultra settings all the way through? My 970 can maintain 1080/60 Ultra most games easily, but I find those effects rather distracting. On every game! For example, I don't need to see motion blur of a dude I'm about to snipe on top of a tank miles away! By any chance a game devs reading this, we get it. Looks sell. But at the end of the day, its the core content that matters. Use that excess power for something else would you please. Like more elaborate physics, better AI responses, anything! Since most of the time, graphics looks good but don't quite behave like you'd expect it would. Things like bushes plagued by repeated animation assets, shits like that.

@oxaile4021 5 жыл бұрын

@@DumbArse Same, i often need to drop my settings in new games so my 1080 can run them at 60fps/4k and those + shadows are the first things to go.

@mareksto1 5 жыл бұрын

Quality content... Really good video

@0Blueaura 5 жыл бұрын

hearing half life music over in the background makes these videos so much warmer to watch, like they are closer to heart

@HeretixAevum 5 жыл бұрын

I'm optimistic about Navi. Not only are AMD in a much better position as a company than when they released Polaris (thanks to Ryzen being a big hit) which should mean more R&D resources, but they're going to be on TSMC now which has been an advantage for Nvidia for a long time. Regarding the 480, I think it was the 1060 that really took the wind out of its sails. However I think those Steam figures are misleading. The 1060 definitely sold better than the 480 but not THAT much better. Internet cafes in Asia inflate those 1060 steam figures significantly.

@HeretixAevum 5 жыл бұрын

@@2kliksphilip Of course, it's still relevant information because it does actually reflect how many people are USING nvidia hardware instead of polaris. Those figures will influence what hardware game developers are going to optimise for.

@sixish 5 жыл бұрын

Speed (faster is better) - ofc Power consumption - ???? Size (smaller is better) - ok Process (smaller is better) - i trust you Price (lower is better) - *spits coffee*

@Gepedrglass 5 жыл бұрын

206ish lower is better if you're poor

@dhkatz_ 5 жыл бұрын

Lower power consumption is always better when talking about similar cards. A smaller process is always better no matter what. A lower price is always better when talking about similar cards.

@dkmarcusdk867 5 жыл бұрын

3kliksphilip oh sheit Its really him. You done now

@youtuberobbedmeofmyname 5 жыл бұрын

NVIDIA CORP FAKE ACCOUNT SHILL FOUND. NICE TRY PUBLIC AGENT.

@romaliop 5 жыл бұрын

Everybody knows that people only buy graphics cards in order to enlarge their virtual penis. If you don't have the most expensive card with ray tracing cores, hyper-threaded anti-aliasing processors and quantum field chronometers, there's really no reason to even consider playing Fortnite.

@reiiz9942 5 жыл бұрын

13:30 hey my Country!!! Malaysia got mentioned!!! Thanks Philips u made my day

@noreasonchannel4012 5 жыл бұрын

OnPoint Analysis! Subbed! Although, Still Confused between getting a AMD Pro Duo 32GB vs GTX 1080Ti. Workload will be 3D modelling and rendering, coding, developing games overall, in some cases, along with playing high end games...so what would you recommend???

@Thefuryspeed100 5 жыл бұрын

0:28 But first, we need to go V A C a decade V A C V A C V A C

@randomnessx3597 5 жыл бұрын

I have an amd rx 580 so yeet

@Beos_Valrah 5 жыл бұрын

RX 570 here :D

@DenimTiger 5 жыл бұрын

Love your videos :)

@PedroCasc 5 жыл бұрын

Great Video!

@Slimek 5 жыл бұрын

I've bought a RX 570 last week :D

@nopenope7184 5 жыл бұрын

I've bought weed last week :D

@saminavy7124 5 жыл бұрын

Good on you guys , seriously! AMD needs this RnD money and they are worth it for mid range cards

@CharcharoExplorer 5 жыл бұрын

The 7970 did prove faster than the 680 and the 7970 GHz was faster, full stop, even at the time. Now it is a pure victory. The 290X competed with the 780 Ti which used similar power and was similar performance, but aged worse (fact) and was much bigger (fact). Hawaii was the last time AMD rekt Nvidia fully, not the 4000 nor 5000 nor 6000 series. It was the 290X.

@Tudorgeable 5 жыл бұрын

I was one of the idiots who went with a gtx 770 (same chip as 680) instead of a 290 because of 'power and heat' considerations, despite getting a pretty hot and noisy windforce 3x not much different than the sapphire 290 I was looking at.

@CharcharoExplorer 5 жыл бұрын

@@Tudorgeable You made a mistake mate :(

@snetmotnosrorb3946 5 жыл бұрын

But the Hawaii cards got a bad reputation because of the shitty coolers. As much as I like AMD/ATI they've always failed on customer experience. Then mining blew it for AMD.

@Tudorgeable 5 жыл бұрын

@@snetmotnosrorb3946You're completely wrong about mining. It's been a saving grace for RTG and is what funds what comes after Navi. Gaming is no longer the #1 highest profit market for GPUs, there's a lot of other uses for them nowadays.

@Tudorgeable 5 жыл бұрын

@@snetmotnosrorb3946The sapphire triple x cooler for the 290 was better or on par with what I had on a similarly priced gtx 770, I had just bitten the marketing trap and fell for it.

@TheBoomamatic 5 жыл бұрын

I have no idea what he is talking about but I appreciate the work that has been done.

@californium2527 5 жыл бұрын

i wish i knew what you were talking about with your epic gamer big boy words on computers because i love your voice and editing style

@californium2527 5 жыл бұрын

@@3kliksphilipThe comment i made wasn't made well, I men't to say is that I wish i knew more about computers are the history of companies and products. I don't really know much history about computer tech, (all i really know is that a 1080ti is good) but its mainly all the acronyms and numbers. Don't worry the way you presented the information was great, I liked how you actually correlated the facts and statistic to what they men't. Sorry if the comment was a bit provocative, great video as always.

@devindykstra 5 жыл бұрын

1:55 AHelllalalalllllalot

@qazaqwert 5 жыл бұрын

Great video except at the use of the steam hardware survey at 12:30 ish. The problem with using this data is that it fails to mention that the immense popularity of nvidia's cards is due to the Asian market and their majority usage of PC Bangs and Internet Cafes, most of which are either directly sponsored by Nvidia or get subsidies from Nvidia to use their cards in their PCs. This causes a massive artificial influx of nvidia cards in the steam hardware survey as many of those users have not actually bought a nvidia or an AMD card at all, they just use them. The average person building a gaming PC, especially in the west probably has a much higher chance of having an AMD card in their system.

@VoldoronGaming 5 жыл бұрын

@@kshproductions7996 But did the statistics already in the database get fixed too? Or remain since the fix isn't retroactive?

@VoldoronGaming 5 жыл бұрын

@@kshproductions7996 thanks. That's what I wanted to know.

@itaco8066 5 жыл бұрын

Great video, thank you Philips

@grimm00002 5 жыл бұрын

Filipino here. I think you're very spot on with the pricing question theory, or possibly marketing schemes that NVidia is pulling here in our local market. Every computer store chain that you go to here have staff that kept repeating the "AMD runs hot" mantra, regardless if you go for a CPU or Graphics Card. I hope things change with AMD opening their concept stores where they feature parts from multiple brands like Asus or MSI.

@TFirsty 5 жыл бұрын

It is going to be incredibly difficult for AMD to make a major comeback. There are a lot of reasons to take Nvidia over AMD right now, and it has been that way for quite a long time now. The sad thing is without real competition Nvidia card prices are going way up.

@ShawFujikawa 5 жыл бұрын

If there's any time for a comeback to be made, it's now. The RTX launch is leaving people with a lot of sour tastes in their mouths (regardless of NVidia's motivation behind it) and AMD's likely going to announce their 7nm architecture's GPUs in January. Still not very likely - Nvidia would probably have to bungle several launches in a row to waste the mindshare they have in the consumer market - but AMD might be able to make a dent in things if the stars align. They managed to give Intel a hell of a wake-up call with Zen last year, after all.

@wabachi 5 жыл бұрын

"There are a lot of reasons to take Nvidia over AMD right now" like what reasons Tim F?

@MJ-uk6lu 5 жыл бұрын

@@wabachi I would like to know them too. Haven't heard of anything truly meaningful in a while.

@wabachi 5 жыл бұрын

@@MJ-uk6lu 5 days and i'm still waiting...

@wabachi 5 жыл бұрын

@@Jordan-rNvgQ umm... i'm prty sure you can find something similar or better then ULMB... as for the most used reason by nvidia users "emulation" when ONLY cemu have this problem.... and the rest works fine as for the connectivity... different AIB can have different connection also converters for old monitors those are not reasons to but one over the other when it is a bit to... how to put it... you might find it on both with bit of research and i don't think someone would buy a gtx 1080TI/2080TI or a vega56/64 strictly for emulation... what i'm trying to say is that i don't find your reasons "strong reasons" to not buy one over the other tho...

@pjg86 5 жыл бұрын

Launch the Polaris The end doesn't scare us When will this cease? Geforce will all rust in peace.

@HimTortons 5 жыл бұрын

I see you're a man of culture as well...

@derwydd5703 5 жыл бұрын

I was hoping to see this. great job.

@TheLINKtoCHANNEL 5 жыл бұрын

How do you come up with these amazing video ideas?

@holamellamoryan9693 5 жыл бұрын

I had/have/used to use, a 290x with the three fans, that thing was like a jet engine in volume. I upgraded to a 1080 now and its a good 2-3 times quieter, not to mention the performance hike.

@ZadakLeader 5 жыл бұрын

You seem to make the exact same points that AdoredTV made...very similar..

@dhkatz_ 5 жыл бұрын

Nobody knows who that tiny youtuber is

@ZadakLeader 5 жыл бұрын

@@dhkatz_ So it would be ok to steal content and spin it off, right?

@ZadakLeader 5 жыл бұрын

@@sslim29205 What are you talking about?

@sslim29205 5 жыл бұрын

@@ZadakLeader AdoredTV just Googles content made by others and narrates it to you. He doesn't even have the hardware he talks about....LOL

@elikay2101 5 жыл бұрын

Personally, as an inspiring content creator, I don't think I would've have ever bought AMD back then, no matter what. As you said, they lacked an equivalent to shadowplay back then, and to be fair, kind of still do. Sure they have relive or whatever, but they don't have NVENC, which is supported by OBS, and a handful of other programs. They also don't really have an equivalent to CUDA that's as supported as it. That makes Nvidia far more appealing for people doing any kind of 3D work, and much more. The same will go for the RTX series, being great for professionals doing work with ray tracing and AI. Back then AMD was also at a super low point due to CPUs aswell, Ryzen not being out yet iirc. AMD was not very competitive in CPUs, so people often went Intel/Nvidia instead of AMD. Another issue was marketing VR. Although it's nice in theory to have VR for $200, and it's achievable at a low price point, it's appeal still mainly lies in enthusiasts, especially back then. This means that people who's price point was $200, didn't really care about VR. VR headsets were still very expensive, and so were there limited games. People who could justify getting into VR at the time, were usually the same people who were able to justify purchasing something far better, like a 1070 and 1080. We are also starting to get more "less knowledgeable" people into the gaming scene, who just want what everyone else is using, which usually is Intel/Nvidia, as that's what all the content creators, or high end gaming rigs use. People don't really care that much about looking into price/performance like they used to in the past, or atleast the people I talk to don't anymore. Sometimes people just want the most expensive thing for whatever reason, look at smartphones. That's personally why I think AMD failed during this launch and why I believe AMD need to start focusing on the content creator, like they did with Ryzen, for their GPUs, as Nvidia's feature set kinda blows AMD away.

@elikay2101 5 жыл бұрын

@@3kliksphilip They do now, but it's not widely supported like NVENC is. I'm also not aware of which cards specifically support it. Thanks for reply btw, ily. Last time I got a reply is when youtube had direct messages and I sent you a shitty map I made when I was 13

@dutchdykefinger 5 жыл бұрын

the hardware h264 encoder on polaris has been supported fine on OBS, use it on my rx480 all the time, and have been doing so for a while now. in them early polaris days you actually needed this bad boy: obsproject.com/forum/resources/amd-advanced-media-framework-encoder-plugin-for-obs-studio.427/ yeah, nvidia was 3-4 years ahead with shadowplay, so naturally their nvenc got baseline implemented way sooner, but, please don't make up nonsense about OBS and support for AMD hardware. :) in fact , i HAD to use OBS on my gtx 760 for hardware capturing, as the nvidia software did not not let me use shadowplay, it wanted me to have a 770 or higher, despite having the NVENC hardware, which meant i couldn't use it for ages until the software came along. but yeah, totally agree on the cuda and industry thing (and rtx), they have that shit on lockdown, introducing alternatives for it, that aren't 1:1 compatible is useless at this point. i actually remember RTG making some kind of program to convert cuda code into code a radeon could crunch, but never really heard much from that, i don't even remember what it's called anymore... but yeah, that shit was only useful for converting standalone sciency cuda stuff anyway, does nothing for 3d programs that need to natively support directly hooking into the hardware. the alternative, opencl, still seems to have trouble taking off. luckily, my 3d program of choice is blender, which is one of the exceptions that does have half-decent opencl support these days (even CPU+GPU rendering)

@accelerator5524 5 жыл бұрын

@@elikay2101 mhm do you know blender? a vega 64 renders any scene faster than a gtx 1080ti and now with amds pro renderer its even faster. AMD form of ray tracing was available for a long time known as "FireRays". For AI a vega card would be a no brainer against a GTX 1080ti considering it beats it in almost every scientific workload. BTW what are you creating?

@wabachi 5 жыл бұрын

"but they don't have NVENC, which is supported by OBS" the hardware level encoding was present since their first gen architecture GCN 1.0 (i think it includes 7k series not sure) as philip said it's called VCE and could be used in OBS, i personally used to record 1080p 30fps 20k bitrate on a mid-range r9 270x, the more mid range r7 260x had GCN 1.1 (or 1.2 dont remember for sure) and they improved to support 1080p 60fps at the same bitrate... usually people don't do proper research then say "oh this didn't had that or that or that"

@accelerator5524 5 жыл бұрын

@@wabachi true

@v1ncn7 5 жыл бұрын

My first custom PC had an HD4870 and my current one has a GTX 1070, so I feel this video

@syncmonism 5 жыл бұрын

RX 480's are actually pulling ahead of GTX 1060 6GB's in a lot of newer games now, though it varies a bit depending on the specs of the exact models being compared

@Thermophobe 5 жыл бұрын

I was considering an AMD card for a future build due to FreeSync and better performance in some games I play. But given the hardware survey, I am a bit skeptical about it now. I have been pretty dependent on ShadowPlay on my current system, and I have an impression that ReLive is not as good. With their dev leadership gone, I hope they still manage to succeed in their next launch, which should be soon according to their roadmap. Given the poor behaviour by Nvidia at the moment, we really need some good ol competition once again.

@RoyalJesusChrist 5 жыл бұрын

i use relive and it is every bit as good as shadowplay, in my experience

@TridonsEve 5 жыл бұрын

I haven't kept up to date, but a few months after ReLive came, benchmarkers/testers claimed it had better video quality and had less performance impact than Shadowplay.

@iliasvelaoras3038 5 жыл бұрын

I haven't used shadowplay (althought I guess I could test it), but as far as I can tell from the settings, relive is superior in most ways, having options for both AVC and HEVC, audio quality and a few extras for livestreaming

@BreakingDimes 5 жыл бұрын

I use relive and find it quite a bit better than shadow play

@EcchiRevenge 5 жыл бұрын

It's like how Jim Keller moved on after taping out Ryzen.

@Ultranist 5 жыл бұрын

Just ordered 8x 580 4GB for 160€ each

@Dragonofshame 5 жыл бұрын

@i Draw Generally you don't actually use mining as your sole source of income; some people that are willing to invest insane amounts of money do but mostly it's a mostly-passive form of income. The ROI can be 8 months or more. When you do hit break-even, though, it can be an extra few hundred dollars a month (depending on where you live). People also tend to eventually resell their cards to get more of that money back faster. Also the biggest cause of the shortages was actually the big groups that would buy hundreds or more of the cards at a time. Not the people who would buy 10 or so. Especially people like this who probably bought used cards.

@XsaviXander 5 жыл бұрын

@i Draw LoL Here we have a dumbass who doesn't know anything about mining or what causes the prices to go up.

@xdqd 5 жыл бұрын

Interesting video :)

@Yoshimatsu414 5 жыл бұрын

I remember a couple years ago I was on the RX 480 train. Bought two of them was tried to OC them but this is where I learned backing off voltage on these cards would actually increase performance easily since AMD's set voltage was so high for the powerlimit that clock speeds suffered. VRMs weren't that great either if you had them running at full power (the reference cooler) so I water blocked them. Ended up selling that PC did a build with Vega 56, I'm loving this card.

@holyfknsmokesigotmymoneyup 5 жыл бұрын

NVIDIA is too overpriced

@skuyzy198 5 жыл бұрын

Well the problem is that AMD doesn't even have any expensive high end cards at all. And when it comes to mid range, where AMD is playing at, Nvidia is priced really well. So your comment makes no sense.

@notsogrand2837 5 жыл бұрын

I wonder why, lots of hard competition from AMD.

@notsogrand2837 5 жыл бұрын

You gotta admit, for being out of date it still kicks ass. Hell even the 900 series is still great. I have a 970 still. At one point I had a 4870 and if it had DX11 I would’ve used it even longer.

@ChucksSEADnDEAD 5 жыл бұрын

@@skuyzy198 AMD does have a "high end" card, the Vega 64. The problem is that it is a strong compute card but slightly weaker than a GTX 1080 so miners went for it and prices got jacked up for absolutely no improvement over nvidia's offerings.

@notsogrand2837 5 жыл бұрын

@@nickwarrior5 They had their chance with Ryzen and they blew it

@peacocktracks 3 жыл бұрын

Do another one of these once 3000 series and big navi are readily available plz

@Bigdog302V8 5 жыл бұрын

I used 2 Asus Radeon Strix RX480 8Gb OC edition cards for a while. they were great cards and a amazing value for the money. I got them for 250.00 each before the mining craze took over. I gamed first at 1080P then later 1440P and it handled those really well. forget about 4K though.

@notexactlysiev 5 жыл бұрын

I don't know anything about graphics cards but boi i like listening to Philip

@fenixlolnope361 5 жыл бұрын

I use my Rift DK2 on an RX570 crossfire setup. Most games don't even use Crossfire but I still get usable framerates in most games.

@BlitzvogelMobius 5 жыл бұрын

I thought I remember a good part of the power and efficiency problem for Polaris and Vega was using Global Foundries' 14nm. TSMC's 16nm IIRC is superior by a fairly good margin.

@yashpashar4758 5 жыл бұрын

I freaking love these tech vids ... do more pleeaaaase

@bool2max 5 жыл бұрын

Besides in a couple of graphs, why haven't you touched the RX 5xx series at all?

@llobell86 5 жыл бұрын

Currently using Polaris for gaming. Very happy with my Rx 480

@MW-cn4xi 5 жыл бұрын

I bought an rx580 8gb about a month ago , absolutely love it !! Perfect for 1080p 60fps for me :) extra vram over 1060gb is very nice , and at the moment you get assassins creed odyssey for free as well!

@mangotree7478 5 жыл бұрын

Got a 460 Really happy with it

@Ametisti 5 жыл бұрын

I was super surprised when I saw the Steam survey regarding how few people use an RX480. I bought one juuust before the prices skyrocketed, since at the time I needed to replace a GTX 670 with something

@GglSux 5 жыл бұрын

@2klicksphilip Thanks for another interesting video. Are You familiar with if/how the Polaris development was used in relation to the solutions that AMD sold to MicroSoft and Sony for their games consoles respectively. Because I've heard differing information and opinions on this. Because if there was "cross over" then maybe that is something that should have been "taken into account" in this "evaluation". Best regards.

@singular9 5 жыл бұрын

Had a 480 since launch. Loved it. Did great and even made a bit off mining it. Ended up selling it to a friend who was using a gtx660 for cheap and buying a used 1080 when the prices fell Bellow 350$ (got mine for 325$).

@beachboy_boobybuilder 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Phil. Do you think AMD will release a 7nm RX-Vega64/56 gaming edition?.

@cixlo 5 жыл бұрын

So are the different model of the polaris card just the same card with features and performance stalled on purpose? Cuz it doesn't seem very cost friendly to make different models like that.

@tommy50363 5 жыл бұрын

Phil, sorry to say this on an unrelated video, but how is Vexxsie? I just saw her most recent video(About a year oldnow) and she was doing quite badly... Is she OK?

@doodledibob 5 жыл бұрын

Hey, so the reason why I got a 1050 Ti was that it was on sale for ~$100 US . AMD's closest offering (the 460) was listed at ~$130 at the time. It was just a better deal for me.

@dycedargselderbrother5353 5 жыл бұрын

The claim of the RX 480 being "available for $200" was a major sticking point early on. That referred to a hypothetical 4GB model that then didn't really exist. What AMD ended up doing was halving the VRAM of 8 GB cards in BIOS and selling very few of them at $199 to fulfill the advertising obligation. The RX 480 was overpriced and short in supply for months after launch, and it was likely due to an Ethereum boom precursor that hit in 2016 before it became mainstream in 2017. Nvidia's 10-series were also more expensive than MSRP but availability was higher.

@weskerend507 5 жыл бұрын

Really nice video. The reason I chose 1060 over RX480 was, as you said, the price. I got an EVGA 1060 6GB SC (very decent single fan, with heatpipes) for 1148 BRL, while the cheapest RX480 was 1200 BRL for a blower fan card from a bad brand, better cards not only had a much higher price, they also required 2 PCI-e connectors which my PSU doesn't have and I wouldn't want to risk using molex if I didn't really need to. It's been serving me awesome and I don't want to upgrade it anytime soon, maybe even not before it dies.

@gaeson 4 жыл бұрын

I suppose one of the smaller reasons for low market share is the lack of AMD GPU's in notebooks. I myself am in the market for a workstation / editing notebook to study abroad with and outside of the vega 20 options for mac books there is literally only the 2 year old RX 560X available which is not even worth looking at.

@TeamRetroWorld 5 жыл бұрын

I bought a gtx970 on the day-of-release for 290$usd. damn good deal looking at all those graphs and stuff.

@Matthewv1998 5 жыл бұрын

I had a 480, a asus dual 4gb model. Fantastically good card. I’ve upgraded to Vega now for rendering. But i will always stay with amd. I’ll likely have this card for a while.

@MarekBaczynski 5 жыл бұрын

I am very happy with my Polaris-based card, that is sold under the "RX Vega" brand, inside an Intel CPU. And by "happy" I mean confused.But also happy that Intel and AMD can get along to do that. Seriously, it's a thing that exists!