The RAF at Red Flag : Air-to-Air

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Aircrew Interview

Aircrew Interview

5 жыл бұрын

Tony Dixon talks about his experiences of being a nav on the F-4 Phantom and Tornado F3 at exercise Red Flag.
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@andrewfranklin7773
@andrewfranklin7773 2 жыл бұрын
Tony Dixon is a classic. Great listening to him. Very easy to follow. Thanks for this.
@7Theodoric7
@7Theodoric7 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely loved that anecdote about the Italian Tornado embarrassing the F-15! Great interview
@markrunnalls7215
@markrunnalls7215 Жыл бұрын
Ah an Italian flown Tornado, Fasta masta pasta... 👍😆
@mickey5shins
@mickey5shins Жыл бұрын
@@markrunnalls7215 🤌
@bobmcgrath1272
@bobmcgrath1272 Жыл бұрын
I spent two months at Red Flag in ‘96. As 2nd line ground crew for the Tornados we didn’t rotate with the squadrons. It was a hard life 😜 I did work fairly hard though and I didn’t gamble once 😊 It’s been great hearing all these old terms and a different perspective from the aircrew. Love it
@GJ-qt2kk
@GJ-qt2kk 5 жыл бұрын
It's all good listing specs and numbers but actually being able to hear from the men who fly them is a really unique thing. It's why I love this channel
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers George.
@mkmdexplorationparanormal5610
@mkmdexplorationparanormal5610 5 жыл бұрын
This interview is very thorough on red flag and it brings more clarity, loved his opinions, my heart was on the Phantom as it was multirole. Fantastic interview, I like Tony as he's down to earth and very informative and he's very engaging. Well done Mike for the great questions ☺
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers buddy.
@collevelo49er
@collevelo49er 4 ай бұрын
I remember Tony Dixon from my days as the engineering officer on 13 (PR) Sqn at RAF Wyton equipped with the Canberra PR7. Really great times and memories from those days and Tony became a close friend. One anecdote from those times was the occasion after a Friday Sqn Beer Call when I apparently invited Tony and his good lady to Sunday lunch that coming weekend! The only problem was I completely forgot all about it and had an interesting, one-sided conversation with my wife when Tony turned up at our door on the Sunday! It must have been a great Beer Call! 😂
@nigelluck8085
@nigelluck8085 3 жыл бұрын
I'm loving these great stories, thank you Aircrew Interviews
@michaelrunnels7660
@michaelrunnels7660 3 жыл бұрын
What Tony didn't mention was the smokey SAMs on the range. I was on a radar site on the range during a Red Flag and the second week they gave us about a hundred styrofoam rockets called Smokey SAMs to shoot at the aircraft flying low level. They were just like giant (2-3 feet long) 4th of July bottle rockets that would leave a huge trail of smoke behind when we shot them up. If they hit an aircraft or got ingested in an engine they weren't suppose to cause any damage. The idea was for the aircrews to see a rocket coming up at them. I imagine the pucker factor was pretty high in the cockpits. The airfield that Tony said the Harriers operated out of at Indian Springs west of Las Vegas (Creech AFB) is now used to launch predator and other drones. You can occasionally see a drone taxi out, take off, or land while driving next to the base on highway 95.
@thefrecklepuny
@thefrecklepuny 5 жыл бұрын
The tactic of using Tornado F3's to shadow B-1B's to appear as one radar image reminds me of reading about USN F-8 Crusaders doing the very same when escorting USAF RC-135's in Vietnam. The RC-135's would look like big fat slow targets to N. Vietnamese radars. They'd send up a couple of MiG 17's, 19's or 21's which would race back to home as soon as the F-8's peeled away and revealed themselves.
@TotallyNotALlama
@TotallyNotALlama 5 жыл бұрын
Loved the anecdote about the Tornados flying "resolution cell" something I'd never considered possible with radars that modern
@cageordie
@cageordie 3 жыл бұрын
JTIDS has been around a long time. I worked on avionics in the 80s and 90s and there's a lot more going on than that. Situational awareness is extremely important, so of course work has been done to achieve it.
@cyclingnerddelux698
@cyclingnerddelux698 5 жыл бұрын
Great interview! Thanks both of you!
@falken_gt4
@falken_gt4 5 жыл бұрын
Tornado that landed at Tonopah was a 16 Squadron GR1 “FG” in 1990, crew were blind folded and interrogated and released. Their GR1 was confiscated and returned after a full service with a silhouette of a F117 painted on the wing by the Americans.
@sichere
@sichere 5 жыл бұрын
Marking the Tornado FG with an F117 "Kill" seems like more of a "realistic training scenario" and suggests the Tornado flew from Tonopah some four days later still with the "faulty" fuel transfer valve - hmmmmmmmmmmm !!!!! - theaviationgeekclub.com/that-time-a-raf-tornado-made-an-emergency-landing-at-f-117s-top-secret-tonopah-air-force-base/
@cageordie
@cageordie 3 жыл бұрын
Funny. I have pictures from Tonopah around 10 years ago. It's open to anyone now. I have stood in the hangers there, and even after 9/11 there was no security. They still used it for getting people in and out of the closed area, I watched a C-130 land and transfer a couple of people to a car that drove away immediately. A friend used to stage through there when he worked on the development of the F-117, flown in from San Jose on an anonymous passenger jet.
@chrishewitt4220
@chrishewitt4220 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant interview, very informative.
@keithstewart1914
@keithstewart1914 5 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this interview!
@StevieSmith77
@StevieSmith77 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant again Mike. Keep doing what you do
@robertmacfarlane2358
@robertmacfarlane2358 3 жыл бұрын
We took 6 GR4’s to Nelis several years ago, the aircraft like the warm, dry weather and tend to behave themselves pretty well to be fair.
@markmullins7990
@markmullins7990 3 жыл бұрын
That was a really good interview got lots of operational info
@Keyswiz71
@Keyswiz71 5 жыл бұрын
"Stan the Man" Ralph, there's a name I've not heard in a few years. Nice one Tony, great interview!
@haroldellis9721
@haroldellis9721 5 жыл бұрын
One of the best, from one of the best channels. I have a friend who got married in Vegas: the jury is still out on that one, but I rather have my doubts.
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate.
@philipbrooks402
@philipbrooks402 4 жыл бұрын
During the 1980s I served as a Fighter Control Officer in the RAF. Whilst I never visited Nellis, I did a detachment to Deciomannu in Sardinia with the F4 QWI course in 1985. Bear in mind that this was the era of the ZX Spectrum PC, but the facilities at Deci were awe inspiring. As Tony said each aircraft was fitted with a telemetry pod and the information available to a controller such as myself was beyond belief. Not only did you have a conventional PPI display, like a normal radar display, but you could tilt the display to give a pure vertical display with all points in between. Tony was not just bull**itting when he talked about RAF tactics, the F4 QWIs invited a lot of respect from their 'adversaries', as I recall from a conversation with a US F5 Aggressor pilot. Although I didn't know Tony personally, we did share a mutual friend and we were both on this friend's Guard of Honour for his wedding. At the stag do the night before, I can't remember if I fell over Tony or him over me, both of us wrecked. Great days.
@SkarnDeBrax
@SkarnDeBrax 5 жыл бұрын
Really like this interview, thanks
@robw3027
@robw3027 5 жыл бұрын
Super video! Thanks.
@xyzaero
@xyzaero 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best episodes so far 👍🏻
@jetset7772
@jetset7772 2 жыл бұрын
I’m loving your stuff and the 10 per cent true channel
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much. His channel is brilliant.
@gilbertprassl2923
@gilbertprassl2923 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome backgrount for NTTR .. cannt wait for part two :-)
@IntrusiveThot420
@IntrusiveThot420 5 жыл бұрын
Oh yes, another interview!
@OhItsThat
@OhItsThat 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe someday they’ll give this guy a whole airplane to fly? I love fighter pilots. As an American I love and appreciate our real allies. This guy is fantastic at walking the viewers though the information.
@n7565j
@n7565j 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing to hear him speak of how rigid the US pilots were, when you watch an old aviation war movie it's always the Brits that are so set in stone. And the US pilots are always cowboys... Sounds like during the 80's and 90's it was the other way around ;-) Excellent video sir, as always :-)
@panchonuts7059
@panchonuts7059 5 жыл бұрын
Just bragging and penis envy by the RAF. They're backbenchers.
@Galf506
@Galf506 5 жыл бұрын
Every excercise vs the US you hear about, everyone mentions how the US pilots are stuck in their methods and don't eveolve with the situation. I have no idea why this is enforced but it's a very american thing.
@lovemym16
@lovemym16 5 жыл бұрын
In modern international exercise US units are not allowed to push thier weapons systems or aircraft to thier true potential. We are only authorized to use common internationally practiced tactics.
@iatsd
@iatsd 5 жыл бұрын
​@@lovemym16 Utter rubbish. "We weren't really trying is" is just a sop. The problem with Americans is that they think everything can be reduced to a process and they adhere to processes even when things aren't working. It's a cultural trait that limits their ability to adapt quickly.
@lovemym16
@lovemym16 5 жыл бұрын
@@iatsd and yet every single combat record from US forces says otherwise. The training manual is one thing, US forces are able to work autonomously in actual operations. They are not allowed to divulge tacits or particular communications durring international training.
@bret9741
@bret9741 5 жыл бұрын
Can find one thing in common among all fighter crews from every nation..... they all believe their the best. Flew for about 6000 hours with a mix of guys who flew everything from f-4’s to B-52’s. Most of the guys who flew until retirement had a healthy respect for everyone from every nation represented at Redflag.
@rogerpattube
@rogerpattube 3 жыл бұрын
That's pretty arrogant, considering the company they were in.
@rickwalker2
@rickwalker2 3 жыл бұрын
@@rogerpattube that’s part of being in the military. If they don’t believe they, their tactics/doctrine, or their equipment is the best they’re never going to do well. Otherwise why bother.
@martinchamberlain542
@martinchamberlain542 3 жыл бұрын
@@rogerpattube Yes, but it’s Maverick talking!
@SuperRedraider1
@SuperRedraider1 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant stories, really enjoyed it.
@lancet.346
@lancet.346 5 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite KZfaq channels!
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 5 жыл бұрын
Great to hear this, Lance!
@lancet.346
@lancet.346 5 жыл бұрын
@@Aircrewinterview I really appreciate the effort you put into your channel. Thanks again!
@seananthonyegan3395
@seananthonyegan3395 5 жыл бұрын
Very intresting about Area 51 ...
@ryiin
@ryiin 3 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@StoccTube
@StoccTube 2 жыл бұрын
Loved this
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers.
@virtualwatcher4024
@virtualwatcher4024 5 ай бұрын
Excellent video!
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 5 ай бұрын
Cheers
@guffroofing
@guffroofing 5 жыл бұрын
Superb thank you
@CastleGraphics
@CastleGraphics 5 жыл бұрын
USAFE A-10s got Sidewinders in '90-'91, about the year they went over. US bases may have got them a little sooner.
@simonrichardson5077
@simonrichardson5077 5 жыл бұрын
Great work lads,thanks
@alan-sk7ky
@alan-sk7ky Ай бұрын
My cousin did several trips to Red Flag flying support with C130's out of RAF Lyneham.
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview Ай бұрын
Nice one.
@garyfairley9807
@garyfairley9807 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting to hear Tony’s view on the benefits (or otherwise!) of the night sorties. Genuinely found the rigidity around “boxes” surprising, albeit perhaps understandable. It does, I guess, underline just how much of Red Flag is geared towards the Offensive Counter-Air and other tactical missions rather than AD. I know one ex-F3 guy who actually found Flag a little dull compared to the intensity of, say, TLP and other exercises! :-)
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 5 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear you enjoyed it Gary. It was a great insight into the air-to-Air role which you don’t hear much about. I have heard the same from F3 guys also :)
@boggy8557
@boggy8557 3 жыл бұрын
What a dude! Great interview!
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate!
@boggy8557
@boggy8557 3 жыл бұрын
I love how he is stating figures like the Amraam range , some tactical numbers etc etc. As opposed to the Americans who want to keep it all a secret. 😆
@cageordie
@cageordie 3 жыл бұрын
They did underground nuclear testing a great deal later than the 50s. 9/23/1992 was the 1,032nd and last test. Tonopah airfield, if it was that and not another runway somewhere on the range, is closed as a secure place now. I have been in hangers and the terminal there, it's still used as a runway, but when I was there there was no security and people living in trailers. There were GA aircraft in open hangers. There's a runway at 38.32N, 116.28W that's was available for emergencies according to a USAF crew chief friend who flew special C-130s around there occasionally. Just to the north of there is the DoE's attempt to extend the nuclear test area. Faultless almost got away from them, so it was the only test of a planned series. I have stood in the center of the collapse crater.
@sandemike
@sandemike 5 жыл бұрын
love to hear how the RAF Vucans did out there.
@Ms2mark
@Ms2mark 5 жыл бұрын
Great Interview love this guy.... 2 things.... it’s a shear miracle to me how these 100’ish planes never slam into each other And exactly who pays for all of the fuel consumed...?
@jimterracall6766
@jimterracall6766 5 жыл бұрын
1. They have some very advanced radar systems, E-3 Sentry AWACS participate and the whole range is instrumented to provide for flight playback and review. The aircrews also spend tons of effort and time planning missions to fit in with the overall battle order. 2. Unless you live in China, Russia or some other country that doesn’t participate in these excersizes, you pay for it with your taxes.
@markrunnalls7215
@markrunnalls7215 Жыл бұрын
Know of another story of Bucs, flying out there, US radar just replied "were the Heck did you come from"...
@Thetequilashooter1
@Thetequilashooter1 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for posting, and thanks to this fine gentleman for his service. From America, I am glad that the UK is long-time ally and is not a nation to be messed with. With stealth aircraft, the tactic of changing direction every 30 seconds won’t be as effective. With the F-22 or 35 there’s no warning to be on the lookout and the missiles slam home. Even if legacy aircraft are being used, stealth aircraft can be a forward observer providing corrections to the missile so that when it does go into the terminal phase the opposing aircraft is still within its range.
@moistman6930
@moistman6930 Жыл бұрын
I mean, US F22 & 35s use the AIM120D5, which goes active just before terminal, and will be ACTIVE, man. You will get some warning after they go bulldog.
@howardfallfall2710
@howardfallfall2710 Жыл бұрын
Hi just enjoyed your video of our tornado in answer to your question our navy is now flying the new F 35 lightning which replaced the hawker harrier which your marines are still flying today two planes our navy used to fly were the blackbird buccaneer and the phantom both great planes the buck was the low level plane flying nearly on the deck well worth a look keep up the good vids on your channels regs Howie.👍
@jas0241
@jas0241 3 жыл бұрын
Take a look at Nellis Air force base on Google Earth. Tornado's and Typhoon's on the pad next to F16's. 👍🏻
@markrunnalls7215
@markrunnalls7215 Жыл бұрын
My dad was RAF VR, and when at a ATC camp one year he was in the officers mess, and there was a particular navigator and or a pilot who could beat the slot machine every time, and in the end he got banned 😆😆👍👍 True story
@derekcraig3617
@derekcraig3617 6 ай бұрын
what's the slot machine mean?
@tmobaile1187
@tmobaile1187 Жыл бұрын
Very nice... but did the TORNADO F3 engage in air to air battle
@MrCSRT8
@MrCSRT8 3 жыл бұрын
Wish you would do an interview with an F-101 Voodoo Warrior, Scope Wizard, or Medicine Man.
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 жыл бұрын
We do have a Voodoo pilot in the works.
@Kman31ca
@Kman31ca 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty interesting that when he talks about the Tornado that had hydralic problems having to land in Area 51 and the fall out. Wouldn't that have been around the time they would have been testing the F-117?
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 5 жыл бұрын
It was indeed.
@jester5ify
@jester5ify 5 жыл бұрын
F 1117 entered service in '83 so possibly home base??
@hoghogwild
@hoghogwild 5 жыл бұрын
They didnt land at Area 51 which is Groom Lake, they landed at Tonopah, the home of the F-117. 17 May 1982, the move of the 4450th TG from Groom Lake to Tonopah was initiated. The Tactical Air Command ("R"-Unit), also known as the "Baja Scorpions" unit, remained at Groom Lake until the last production F-117 was delivered from Lockheed in July 1990. During the operational lifetime of the F-117, however personnel from Tonopah and later Holloman AFB would be temporarily deployed to Groom Lake for various checkout flights of classified elements of the aircraft.
@amfearliathmor8213
@amfearliathmor8213 5 жыл бұрын
It would have been about the same time the F-117s were being moved out for something else going in. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b7WZjbWjnrybimg.html
@hudsondonnell444
@hudsondonnell444 3 жыл бұрын
The F3 is very close to the F-14 in it's maneuverability. Both bleed off so much speed in a turn that getting back momentum needs altitude. They both turn in the dogfight at about 4.5 G's. I'd rather be in any fixed wing modern fighter in an air to air encounter.
@SlowMoney_cj
@SlowMoney_cj 4 жыл бұрын
We number all our exercises based off the fiscal year, not calendar year, which is why any flag or us led training op is always the next year -1 at the end of the calendar year
@COIcultist
@COIcultist 3 жыл бұрын
I was confused by his recollection of the year. To paraphrase, they competed in Red Flag 91 but it was actually the year before 1989. What happened to 1990?
@hudsondonnell444
@hudsondonnell444 3 жыл бұрын
@@COIcultist Desert Shield, Desert Storm
@COIcultist
@COIcultist 3 жыл бұрын
@@hudsondonnell444 D'Oh! Well, I set myself up for that one. At the moment it is 2021 but because there is shitloads of merchandise made for an event that was intended to be last year our footballers are playing for Euro 2020. I'm guessing there aren't multimillions in merchandising for red flag and 1989 predated 1990. So I'm still puzzled did they employ someone psychic who knew there would be no fun and games in 1990 so decided to call 1989, 1991 at the time? I can see this sounds sarcastic, but I can't see how something that might have been called Red Flag !990 even though held in 1989 is called Red Flag 1991.
@COIcultist
@COIcultist 3 жыл бұрын
Hello. There are chunks of this interview that I don't understand and after reading other postings nobody appears to be asking the questions I have. I have no relevant experience so they are outsiders questions. The questions are asked in honesty I'm not trying to snipe. Red flag started in the 1970s then in the 80s they started to invite other countries. OK Wikipedia isn't the most accurate of sources but it lists the Blackburn Buccaneer first appearance in 1977 along with some Avro Vulcans. This would be bourne out by the crash of the Buccaneer during Red Flag in 1980 and the subsequent fleet grounding. The first flag I attended was Red Flag 91 but it was in 89. The first flag of the year was in November but it was always called after the year after. I can understand the idea of a "Course Year" but what happened to 1990? The "Lame Duck" planning after Goose Bay. There is no explanation of how or why they lost their tankering facility after Goose Bay. Now if the Victor tankers had to fly on to support other aircraft for that years exercise that is fine, but we are not given the reason for the loss of the Victors support. We were sending more than 8 or 10 participating aircraft that year? That is 8 or 10 combat aircraft, not tankers or support. I do appreciate these interviews and realise memories must fade but this is the first interview that I have watched where I couldn't follow what was said.
@thefrecklepuny
@thefrecklepuny 5 жыл бұрын
I guess the Typhoon is much better suited to air superiority than the Tornado F3.
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 5 жыл бұрын
It probably is but I am biased as the F3 is my favourite aircraft!
@sichere
@sichere 5 жыл бұрын
@@Aircrewinterview - An upgraded BAC Composite Lightning would be good
@pschierhorn
@pschierhorn 5 жыл бұрын
Considering it's a new, expensive, purpose-built air superiority fighter, it should better be better than an old low-level bomber beefed up with a radar and some missiles. Considering that guy's experience, I think you could still inflict some serious damage with an F3 if you know what you're doing.
@hudsondonnell444
@hudsondonnell444 3 жыл бұрын
Like an F-16, but I think it can stay on station longer.
@horrhiunioj507
@horrhiunioj507 2 жыл бұрын
Tornado was a subpar air to air machine, even for its time.
@forzaisspeed
@forzaisspeed 4 жыл бұрын
The RAF is the best the Eurofighter is king.
@pauldittrich978
@pauldittrich978 3 жыл бұрын
Eurofighter Typhoon doesn’t stand a chance against my powerful Boulton-Paul Defiant.
@badpharma461
@badpharma461 3 жыл бұрын
It's interesting that UK pilots believe in the 'bravely run away' tactic if s job can be done tomorrow but I've never heard a US pilot say as much. I mean, they are clearly excellent but the UK doctrine is NOT to be aggressive but to be professional. At all times to be calm but the US likes to see emotions in it's pilots. I think that this difference has been around for decades. I don't know which is better but I know that the USAF and RAF have continued that doctrine. The only thing I have noted is that UK pilots seem to have caused less blue on blue events. It just feels like the US finds their military more disposable. But even after all, the idiots who ask if an F15EX would beat a Eurofighter Typhoon is an odd question. When are we not going to be on the same side? I'm keener to know that the 2 aircraft can interact to do the job.
@nemaemanema3940
@nemaemanema3940 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing for second?
@sichere
@sichere 3 жыл бұрын
It's a shame the EEL never attended Red Flag
@robbmaclean
@robbmaclean 4 жыл бұрын
The RAF lost 6 Tornado GR1 over Iraq during Desert Storm. They used tactics formulated during the Cold War to avoid the SAM threat. This SAM threat had been neutralised in the first hours of the "Shock and Awe" in which the entire Iraqi Command and Control System had been eradicated. The US Forces, USAF and USN, once the Iraqi defences had been destroyed, flew around at upper altitudes using PaveTac and Paveway to destroy Iraqi assets, runways, fuel dumps in complete safety. The RAF, being the RAF, flew in at very low level using those tactics formulated during the Cold War into a hail of small arms fire to deliver their weapons, successfully, but losing aeroplanes. To lose one aeroplane may be a misfortune. To lose two would indicate a rethink. No, this, supposedly the smartest service in the UK, continued, until such time as the threat evaporated, losing 6 airframes and crew. The Tornado F3, Air Defence Variant, during Desert Storm, was not permitted to cross the Saudi Kuwait Iraqi border because it was so inadequate. A modern day Boulton Paul Defiant. An afterthought. The MRCA programme, that which produced the Tornado, cost more than Trident. We have , to this day, a highly effective nuclear deterrent. The same cannot be said for the MRCA. Its forbear, the TSR2, a magnitude more capable, a magnitude more effective, a magnitude better looking, would still be in service today. Watch the video here. TSR2, on one afterburner, accelerating away from an English Electric Lightning one both. TSR2 would have been a world beater.
@philipbrooks402
@philipbrooks402 4 жыл бұрын
Rick, is your opinion of the deficiencies of the GR1 based on experience of flying it or, as your comment suggests, are you an armchair warrior with no knowledge of what you are asserting. For the record, the USA lost 28 fixed-wing aircraft during Desert Storm as opposed to the 7 lost by the British. To argue that the TSR2 would still be in service today is palpable nonsense. The Vulcan B2s had a lifespan of approximately 20 years and the Tornado, first introduced into squadron service with no 9 Sqn in 1982 was finally retired in 2019, a lifespan of 37 years, although it had been upgraded to GR4 standard. To suggest that the TSR2, a whole decade older would still be in service is a fantasy. As for it outperforming a Lightning on with one engine in afterburner whilst the Lightning had both in reheat is nonsense; the Lighning was formidable aeroplane for its time and its acceleration capabilities were extraordinary, an aeroplane that could catch Concorde. Unlike TSR2, the Lightning suffered from no asymmetry with differential power settings, since the engines were mounted vertically, whereas in the TSR2, such an asymmetric power setting as you describe would have introduced greater drag caused by the necessary rudder input. As for describing the F3 as a modern day Boulton Paul Defiant, I suggest you watch the videos with Rick Peacock Edwards and Ian Black, people with a genuine knowledge of the aeroplane rather than some frustrated wannabe.
@jmcsms
@jmcsms 4 жыл бұрын
@robb You haven't got a Scooby have you? Upt to 4 or the GR1 losses can be attributed to the then CDS and his refusal to move medium level earlier. The F3 couldn't integrate with USAF so they kept it out of the flight packages, no problems in late rops. The TSR 2 is the standard go to for people who live in fantasyland, its costs were still escalating and there's every chance it would have been a maintenance nightmare. As for Trident? How much has its export earned the UK?
@seanjohnson7693
@seanjohnson7693 3 жыл бұрын
You have missed the obvious issue that RAF doctrine meant we went in first when it was dark and enemy were asleep to taking out runways... Worst case scenario was a US air strike went in just before and woke every fucker up just as you came over the horizon at 100ft....
@justwhenyouthought6119
@justwhenyouthought6119 3 жыл бұрын
Bitter is something we drink!
@sichere
@sichere 3 жыл бұрын
The MRCA was what the TSR2 eventually became
@leifvejby8023
@leifvejby8023 5 жыл бұрын
First to hate first! ^_^
@nigeldunn3127
@nigeldunn3127 3 жыл бұрын
Begging for money put me off mate
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 жыл бұрын
Hardly begging mate. But cheers for watching.
@justwhenyouthought6119
@justwhenyouthought6119 3 жыл бұрын
How much of this quality do you do for free ?
@bjjace1
@bjjace1 2 жыл бұрын
@@Aircrewinterview You were not begging. There is always at least one asshole who feels a need to tear good stuff down.
@arsenijearsen3041
@arsenijearsen3041 3 жыл бұрын
I heard that new RAF pilot's are scared of everything and everyone in 1 on 1 fight, even if is frienly fight. Is it whole truth or is it mislead?
@magnetictheory
@magnetictheory 5 жыл бұрын
Tornado and Phantom. Two of the ugliest birds in the sky.
@robbmaclean
@robbmaclean 4 жыл бұрын
I do have to agree. However, one of them was effective in its day.
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