The Raw Truth About The Pursuit Of Greatness

The Raw Truth About The Pursuit Of Greatness - Mike Thurston

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Mike Thurston is a podcaster, KZfaqr and a fitness model.
Mike and I went to university together 15 years ago. And yet in 2024 many of the problems we encountered back then have gotten even worse. Why is a lack of confidence, overly comparative mindsets and body dysmorphia so persistent and how do we go about fixing it?
Expect to learn why male body dysmorphia is on track to overtake female body dysmorphia, what Mike's relationship with social media looks like right now, where you actually gain confidence from, whether being super highly followed on the internet makes you more or less self-assured, how your priorities should change as you get older, Mike’s thoughts on Sam Sulek and much more...
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00:00 The Rise of Male Body Dysmorphia
5:39 Relationship With Social Media
12:45 What Motivated Mike’s Decision to Train?
19:45 Where Confidence Should Come From
30:12 Chris’s First Live Tour
38:09 Does Everyone Need Therapy?
42:21 Mike’s Opinion of Sam Sulek
50:47 The Price of Increasing Ambition
1:04:29 Trajectory is Better Than Position
1:13:52 What’s Next for Mike
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@ChrisWillx 6 ай бұрын

Hello you beauties. Access all episodes 10 hours earlier than KZfaq by Subscribing on Spotify - spoti.fi/2LSimPn or Apple Podcasts - apple.co/2MNqIgw. Here’s the timestamps: 00:00 The Rise of Male Body Dysmorphia 5:39 Relationship With Social Media 12:45 What Motivated Mike’s Decision to Train? 19:45 Where Confidence Should Come From 30:12 Chris’s First Live Tour 38:09 Does Everyone Need Therapy? 42:21 Mike’s Opinion of Sam Sulek 50:47 The Price of Increasing Ambition 1:04:29 Trajectory is Better Than Position 1:13:52 What’s Next for Mike

@Mythicismic 6 ай бұрын

@@fifibibi3213um…. what?

@m.jblack3259 6 ай бұрын

The way Chris will casually remark about hanging out with guys like Ali Abdal and not release episodes with them pains me. Come on Chris, stop holding out on us. I need to see you across Dan Bilzarian this year

@minkathetzaritza 5 ай бұрын

Absolutely fabulous ❤💙🤍

@minkathetzaritza 5 ай бұрын

❤

@DesignBuildEnjoy 3 ай бұрын

He❤b

@betterchapter 6 ай бұрын

Mike Thurston one of the few OG influencers who has always remained a great dude

@Ryan-Horgan 6 ай бұрын

Continues to lie about his steriod use. Just like the rest of them

@ginoyesano5649 6 ай бұрын

@@Ryan-Horgan It's not confirmed he's on steroids at all

@Jmzzable 3 ай бұрын

@@ginoyesano5649 Be serious

@lucretiasulimay1968 6 ай бұрын

I'm a female who will be 65 in March, I'm doing my workout as I listen to this, I have a mini trampoline in my house.I have never felt better, let my hair do it's thing (beautiful gray ) traveled to 13 countries in the last two years.I already have 4 trips planned ( I travel solo ) yea, so l got a few wrinkles , whatever 😊 just enjoy the journey . always enjoy your conversations thank you.

@deneseepaul6882 6 ай бұрын

This is the way :)

@TheVeillin 6 ай бұрын

That’s beautiful

@Slaman5150 6 ай бұрын

My first yoga instructor was 65...I was fooled because her muscle tone and movement would make any 20 something question reality 🎉 I been hooked on yoga ever since!! Rock on hun!!

@MissOJAY 6 ай бұрын

💖

@Darknight526 6 ай бұрын

Amazing!

@KM-hk8tc 6 ай бұрын

Mike Thurston seems like the kind of guy who would buy my wife a drink and then chat her up via complimenting me. Charming enough to get us both.

@carlatashkadeh5890 6 ай бұрын

One could only dream right? 😂

@nicholasesser7033 6 ай бұрын

my bnisexual energy is flaming rn when i am watching him

@devinsimmonz 6 ай бұрын

Haha what a compliment! Never heard this before 😅

@Crumplednoseskin 6 ай бұрын

The least gay way to say the gayest thing ever. Gg.

@Johnny-Cage 6 ай бұрын

Gay

@Rave.- 6 ай бұрын

"I've made a career out of being the most stupid person in every conversation." Wow, what a quote. And what a life goal! That's how you know you're always learning.

@AustinNovel 6 ай бұрын

The Rogan Route, black belts in the art of conversation.

@zxcqwe6931 6 ай бұрын

@@AustinNovelLol, wouldn’t say that Theo Von is smarter than Rogan 🤣🤣🤣

@samjam007 6 ай бұрын

😂😂

@MrAchile13 6 ай бұрын

@@AustinNovel to be fair, Rogan also has a record of bringing in crazy people and grifters who say the most fringe stuff, but who will gather quite a large crowd. It may work, but it's not something to be proud of.

@gerardlewis4634 6 ай бұрын

Mike is such a good guy, Met him at tomorrowland and he had so much time to actually just chat and banter with me. Told him he needs to come to australia. He replies every time ive messaged him asking about places to train or eat in dubai unlike most instagram people who wouldn't even look at their messages. He's simply just a great dude.

@RealestateBillionare 5 ай бұрын

You can tell by his eyes, seems very humble

@agnesboland8920 6 ай бұрын

"Choose in advance what you going are going to suck at because it helps you remember what the larger plan is" love this

@davidmonge4136 6 ай бұрын

Love watching Mike Thurston interview Mike Thurston

@pmk3899 6 ай бұрын

I was about to say the same 😂😂😂

@AVABENCHY 6 ай бұрын

Swrs

@GMajorFilms 4 ай бұрын

Didn’t even watch the video, just came here to find this comment

@x9iV 2 ай бұрын

doppelgangers😆

@SyhonMusic 6 ай бұрын

I was listening on Spotify and I came over here just to leave a comment. I have to tell you thank you both for opening up and letting us, men, know that we’re not alone feeling the way you do. I am working my ass off to launch my business plus working two jobs at the same, so I’m in this sort of no man’s land phase and it’s just comforting to hear you guys. Keep it up, cheers!

@JP-lu2rn 13 күн бұрын

how’s it going. 5 months on? 👊🏻

@Xkisgtkv 6 ай бұрын

Love this episode, seems like it’s more of a 2 way conversation and Mike trying to dig sth out of Chris as well. That’s what happens when 2 phenomenal hosts come tgt. So much value was given from both👏🏽

@puffnuggets1925 6 ай бұрын

i love this episode. i can feel Chris is comfortable with how fluid the conversation is. i also resonated a lot on where confidence comes from.

@karltheheretik 6 ай бұрын

Chris, you're one of the most natural interviewers I've ever had the pleasure to listen to. And honestly, what you "might" lack in ability next to a Joe Rogan, you more than make up for it with your intelligence. Great work!

@peterino6370 6 ай бұрын

I just noticed these 2 boiz are just reading inspiration quotes in their super deep voice and man I feel massively motivated somehow

@irina_manezhnaia 6 ай бұрын

Such a pleasure to listen to and watch you both. Pure enjoyment for eyes and ears

@willybolt6397 6 ай бұрын

Love Chris’s intellectual and philosophical conversations. Recently starting to like Mike as well. Well done

@olivergill-hammond6348 6 ай бұрын

Chris and Mike talk like brother, I love it. Like I'm earwigging on a conversation between two best mates, amazing content!

@Martijn0307 6 ай бұрын

What I love about the podcasts from Chris is that it is very clear what the section of the podcast is about. Every podcast should use the section title's

@rodjourney 6 ай бұрын

Chris Williamson's podcast is excellent - the quality is top-notch, and I truly enjoy it. Keep up the fantastic work Chris!

@lala_ho 6 ай бұрын

I love this!! It spoke to my spirit!! Let's get it done!!!

@deanmcginnes 6 ай бұрын

Loved this one. Mike you have done so well, yet super chilled. Great mind set.

@ericfayhuynh 6 ай бұрын

The conversation you had with Mike at around 27:00 I can relate heavily. When I have conversations with friends and family, I usually would love to dive into the topic and really talk about whatever it is in the moment and throw out questions about it. Once we reach an area where we do not have any idea about, I would ask about opinions and how they feel about it. Sometimes I get responses like "I do not know anything about it so I don't have an opinion" or "I do not know anything about it so I don't want to talk about it.". Though I can understand from their perspective that they may be exhausted from the conversation from thinking but just because you don't know much about a topic doesn't mean it has to stop there.

@TatiyanaDean 5 ай бұрын

Same.

@Grumpicles 6 ай бұрын

I love the rawness of this discussion.

@danielnaberhaus5337 6 ай бұрын

It's about enjoying the process. Not the pursuit of happiness but the happiness of pursuit!

@bonniebrunette9134 4 ай бұрын

Accolades to you as Podcaster. As a female viewer, I like that you cater to both men and women topics. Every video I have watched was current, relevant, informative, and offered a new perspective on things. As a viewer, you can tell you have done your research on the person you select to interview as well as the questions you choose to ask. Well done!

@Grumpicles 6 ай бұрын

I propose that one of the things that works towards making a person like Mike so appealing IS the fact he is introverted. I don't think being an introvert is a deficit for being a communicative, open personality. I suggest instead it's something that contributes to attracting a certain type of people, including perhaps other introverts.

@RichardRatner.1972 6 ай бұрын

Mike has always been honest & transparent. Who cares whether he's natty or not. Big love, kindest regards, Richard U.K

@fred6907 6 ай бұрын

How is lying about his steroid abuse "honest and transparent"? Chris is pathetic not to push him on this topic.,

@tommyalexander9159 6 ай бұрын

What sets Chris & Mike apart in their respective spaces. They are both old souls in youthful bodies = "wisdom"

@SilverLumberjack 6 ай бұрын

Chris, nice of you to have your brother on the podcast.

@thesociologistuk 4 ай бұрын

Ladies and gentlemen, it's a privilege to see the two 'Gods of Wisdom'. 👏🏼

@JulieSwenson_MortgageBroker 6 ай бұрын

I 100% agree you were born to do this!

@ExecutiveZombie 2 ай бұрын

Yes. Body Dismorphia, post competition is harsh. I realized my mental health was more important and I’m healthier while in phenomenal shape.

@thinkagain455 6 ай бұрын

Whoever makes these eye catching titles needs a raise🤣🤣

@MGotzex 6 ай бұрын

Always a great chat between two top men have a good one lads

@nboss968 6 ай бұрын

I have never doubted myself and have been working for my opportunity for 25 years. You don't decide when your opportunity comes but you decide to do the work even if there is no reward.

@tobymcflurry258 5 ай бұрын

Really love watching Chris, Mike, and James Smith, 3 humble legends propping up the UK scene 🇬🇧 also really great male role models 👏

@xenoxorus 6 ай бұрын

Never thought this is collab we needed the most lol 😆

@Surreal616 6 ай бұрын

Hey Chris. Been listening to your LFPC, Moderwisdom for a while and just subscribed so I could share a possible guest for you, Michael Easter. I don’t want to seem like I am schilling his book so I won’t mention it but I think his story and message will fit you subject matter. Thanks for all the great guests you bring on. Cheers!

@tempsoda 6 ай бұрын

Interesting to hear how guys feel about ageing too. A common piece of advice I hear from older people whenever I'm being self critical, is that I will look back at myself in 20/30/40 years with much kinder eyes. So I try to remember that, and appreciate what I have now. ...Actually that applies to life in general too not just physical appearance.

@tempsoda 6 ай бұрын

@@brianmeen2158 one of my regular clients told me last week she saw an old holiday photo of herself from her 30s and thought 'Damn, I was pretty hot there!' 😂 she's in her mid 60's now and I'm sure when she was that age she would have been riddled with insecurities about the odd wrinkle or grey hair or wearing a bikini. And I'm sure her 90 year old Mum thinks the same thing about herself in her 60's too!

@user-lv1uw8ke9k 3 ай бұрын

2 gorgeous human beings, inside & out. Definitely the world is better with y’all in it. Let’s you see the journey plus guys that “look” this way aren’t all douches 😊

@dylanmiah287 6 ай бұрын

Brilliant episode. Been watching Mike for years now and it’s liberating to see self reflection and growth he’s even going through at his stage in life.

@joelharvey 6 ай бұрын

*It's quite strange for me to hear the things being said in the beginning of this conversation in regards to beating yourself up because you don't look as good as you used to look, because I was chubby in my teens, fat and unhealthy throughout my twenties into my early thirties, and only now at the age of 36 have I finally got in shape. Now obviously I would have looked better had i got in shape when i was younger, but I can honestly say that my body looks better than it has ever looked and I'm feeling great about it. So in a strange way, I almost feel fortunate that I took this long to get healthy.*

@dimension6170 6 ай бұрын

I find it interesting how you mentioned your self doubt being "am I doing the right thing/doing things right". Because that is exactly the difference between efficient and effective. You're efficient by doing the right things and effective when doing things right. Now your podcasts are probably effectively efficient but that's another story I guess.

@DRoyale1 6 ай бұрын

Is this video surreal for anyone else??? Two absolute super Chads having a conversation about how awesome their world is…😂😂😂😂

@RepsNRedemption 6 ай бұрын

its a never ending grind that you have to fall in love with to maintain. there is no end goal, no final goal posts when it comes to improving. everyone needs to strive to evolve all the time.

@chefboiardeeznutz9881 6 ай бұрын

Damn, I love this comment. I'm definitely going to write this as an inspirational quote in my journal.

@ShitJustGotReel 6 ай бұрын

Easy to think being more extroverted would make everything better but your strengths come from your introversion. You'd be giving up perception, pattern recognition, and the types of insights that make your conversations so valuable. There's no free lunch, every personality trait has trade-offs.

@damonbaghi 3 ай бұрын

mike giving himself body dysmorphia is funny af purely because its so relatable. when I get diced my face is lean af abs just popping but then naturally you put on abit more water weight etc still lean af but the mental bullying from my face not being as lean or my quads not being as separated is unreal.

@jr5857 Ай бұрын

The secret to not being affected by comments is sitting and feeling fully, how you feel emotionally by 'x' comment. Once you have worked through them emotions you are less likely to care/acknowledge/receive such comments. It's a game changer. ❤ work through them.

@TheKidNaj 6 ай бұрын

Great show!!

@krzysztofnaskret5306 6 ай бұрын

Finally i can see the difference between you two😂😂😂on the begining i thought you two are same guy😊 Anyway love watching both😊 Stay healthy and safe❤

@olivergill-hammond6348 6 ай бұрын

Listened to this on Spotify and honestly, Chris and Mike sound like the same person 😂

@LMGBoxFit 6 ай бұрын

Can relate to that segment towards the end, wanting to avoid substances like alchohol, because you want to feel great every morning, and be as sharp as you possibly can be. I haven't been drunk for years, and rarely ever touch alcohol now.

@AstroBioMan 6 ай бұрын

Currently doing the long work hours and my training is holding strong, but I have about an hour a night to relax after dinner and before bed. For now an acceptable balance

@justinbraegelmann4310 6 ай бұрын

Love the podcast Chris!!! As a 35 yo male ur curiosity and guest choices are usually in-line with what I’m interested in. Speaking on the having a kid, just go for it if u know ur partner is right. Having a child is not an end goal, they grow and evolve and learn with u, and ur never prepared enough. Just jump and enjoy the ride and u will look back at the things u think are important now and realize just how much u grow from truly putting your child’s needs in front of your own.

@liammanwaring3805 6 ай бұрын

Enjoyed reading that comment man 👊🏻

@killermonjero 6 ай бұрын

Are you using a flip phone?

@user-ww5md7ek4k 5 ай бұрын

Chris and Mike should do these together more regularly

@Romanmfx 6 ай бұрын

Am i the only one that thinks these two should make a spinoff poscast together?

@andreaskrbyravn855 6 ай бұрын

as I get older I only feel I improve in looks and body, however the recovery is something I feel too.

@faboolean7039 6 ай бұрын

Male body dysmorphia increases as the popularity of bodybuilding increases. What a coincidence…

@mybootscamewithoutstraps 6 ай бұрын

I'm cosntantly pushing off doing more with youtube because I'm afraid of the lack of growth. I just gotta start.

@elizabethshittu3275 6 ай бұрын

The bar in reality is low but the bar on social media is absurd. In addition to photo shop the number of women that have had "work done" is unbelievable. I have no intention of throwing shade, yet as a woman who is choosing to age naturally, trying to compare ourselves to others that are choosing certain procedures can be crazy making. You have to keep focusing on character and things that matter. No matter how you look, this is what draws people to you, sincerity and putting yourself to service, being a shoulder for those you love.

@mrelixirgalactic 3 ай бұрын

Love U both 💪🏽💯

@zakuworks000 6 ай бұрын

Such good lighting and audio

@wishes_._ 20 күн бұрын

Cool of Chris to interview his brother

@sahilshah5495 6 ай бұрын

How the hell did he even last 1 hour. Dude has nothing to talk about except going gym, partying and socialising lmao

@rm22.02 6 ай бұрын

I think another major factor that plays a role in body dysmorphia is tanning. Being tanned can make one look vastly more shredded than someone who is pale. Also, a lot of bodybuilders shave body hair to create the illusion of more vascularity. Loads of factors and tricks come into it

@davidmenke7552 6 ай бұрын

I can't believe how many people are saying these kinds look like twins. They look nothing alike.

@george46light 6 ай бұрын

For a while I feel it can be okay to let your hair down a bit. In the past 4 months I've been sick a lot somehow. Arms got thinner, belly got bigger. Enjoyed binging movies and documentaries. However now I feel I'm getting back on track. I don't always like doing all the things that I have to do while going harder, but I like myself more when I'm going harder (while listening to Goggins shouting at me of course)

@peacelily64 6 ай бұрын

There is that vibe you feel when you go the gym for me it encouragement to keep a healthy lifestyle people at the gym are various levels of fitness and we are all there to do better 😎

@paulkiuna8126 6 ай бұрын

wonderful podcast

@patrickdaly6652 6 ай бұрын

Your end of year show was the best! Completely human!👮🇺🇸

@n.c.gettler6701 4 ай бұрын

@chriswillx you are an expert. You are THE expert at curious conversation. I love JRE but even his curiosity isn't the questions that I have that YOU ask. I love lectures and I love learning. AND THEN, you ask the questions that are necessary to have comprehensive understanding. You keep your bias in check and extract the brilliance of your guests. I love you, mate. You're making a better world thousands of people at a time in whatever increments your subscribers allow.

@LouisArmstrong7 6 ай бұрын

Man Like Mike!

@fraser1237 6 ай бұрын

Rich Roll is the big dog of podcasts . the OG.

@kieranrees4576 6 ай бұрын

Unspoken expectations are premeditated resentments

@TheMuscleArchitect 6 ай бұрын

'Be careful with who you're following' Top tip: don't follow Mike if you want to like how you look 😅

@fireblade8905 6 ай бұрын

I love Mike.

@DavidLotricBanovic 6 ай бұрын

Great podcast. One question, what lights are you using in the back (the orange ones)? @ChrisWillx

@a2comuk 5 ай бұрын

Mike - in regards to what you said about relationships - as a person who has been married for +10 years and still feels like I'm on a honeymoon :), I'll say this: a relationship needs to be worked on from start to finish, sure - but... contrary to appearances, it's nothing hard. It just requires sytematicity (like the gym) and communication. So being a podcaster and looking the way you look, you won't have a problem with that. Of course, you have to make some concessions and not everything will always be perfect. But if the couple has similar goals (or a common goal) COMMUNICATES with each other and each party continues to care about being attractive to the other, the rest will work itself out. For example - our vision of the perfect evening is a glass of wine, good music and the opportunity to sit together and talk. If you find someone with whom (after a year of being together) you still have a ton of things to talk about - then you've good :). Best of luck in your search of "the one".

@gary_michael_flanagan_wildlife 6 ай бұрын

I don’t want to hate, but I find it wild how people sit on KZfaq and make people rich by watching them do things, rather than doing things themselves. It’s kinda sad. No disrespect to these guys, but damn, it makes me want to continue going out and living my life and do the things I enjoy. The thought of millions of people watching a handsome guy live a “dream life” is kind of a symptom of what’s going on these days. I like some of the more intellectual podcasts, such as what Peterson puts out, but goodness sakes I bet our anscestors would have never thought in a million years that someone could get rich off of a lifestyle KZfaq channel. It’s insane. What a crazy time we live in. Let’s go out an live our life instead of watching others live theirs!!❤

@Beastjon21 6 ай бұрын

My reason for going to the gym was i was already a 5 foot 3 guy and didnt want to be small short guy.(Also short range of motion is OP)

@consummatebachelor7327 6 ай бұрын

F'in love this podcast. I like Mike a lot and he is a 'real' guy who doesn't seem like his 'fame' has turned him into a douchebag.

@gsav1320 6 ай бұрын

0:20 blud says as his arms are 5 times the size of a regular fella lmaooo respect

@rodjourney 6 ай бұрын

I couldn't agree more with the first point of this video. The transformation I had from skinny fat to fit, gave me a lot of confidence. My transformation after that was never the same. I was never satisfied after that. Although I know there is a change, it just never seems enough. But still, I show my fitness journey on my KZfaq channel and I show the reality of getting fit and staying healthy...

@snakejazz 6 ай бұрын

I got so buff thanks to Thursty. Dude has legit swim trunks too, good for those with physiques.

@ragheborfali3432 3 ай бұрын

An hour of Chris interviewing Chris😂😂

@CeallachHennessy 6 ай бұрын

Your idea about having a show where you know nothin about the guests is the same as the "Tommy Tiernan Show" in Ireland. It's a TV interview and he doesn't know which guest is coming and it's all improvised conversation. Very good watch.

@MrPaul3d 6 ай бұрын

He's successful in his fitness niche so not a hate comment but there's not much else is there? No real views or opinions or knowledge. Followed this guy for years too

@user-qu3hl6ld4m 6 ай бұрын

He’s just a nice lad who’s done well for himself. Never going to be the most insightful

@fred6907 6 ай бұрын

His success comes down to lying about his steroid abuse, where he gives off the vibe he's natural. He's as natural as his fake hairline.

@wow50plus9 6 ай бұрын

I like Joe Rogan, but I have been watching you for a while and you are by far smarter, engaging and more articulate than he is.

@HarryDry 6 ай бұрын

“I feel like it's quite hard to be confident when you have no money in your account” Confidence is self worth. How happy you are with who you are. You get big swinging dick over confidence that manifests as EGO. And you get quiet confidence from someone who's at peace but doesn't feel the need to brag about it. You don't need to be a millionaire to give yourself permission to like yourself. Maybe Mike does (there's no *one* way) but just wanted to get this down. Money ≠ Confidence. Being proud of yourself = Confidence.

@KakuMuriithi 6 ай бұрын

You played rugby? You do not know how much respect you got from me by hearing that

@burbinghard 6 ай бұрын

Did anyone else think these two guys were the same person until now? Just me?

@justinengland9814 6 ай бұрын

The problem is many of of these 'male models' with big muscles are not all being honest. Not just with editing pictures, but all the 'supplements' and/or 'gear' (drugs) they are taking. Therefore, giving young males the impression of working hard gives you these gains, it does not, so many young lads are chasing an unachievable goal (with out 'help')!

@justinengland9814 6 ай бұрын

@@brianmeen2158 Genes play a massive part in building/gaining muscles, alongside diet and of course exercise itself! And where do you get that opinion from concerning the videogames over fitness?

@johnleesuccess 6 ай бұрын

this is so good love it

@angemikhai1972 6 ай бұрын

great talk! Why dont you guys train together?

@LifeLessonsofGodofficial 6 ай бұрын

*Wishing all God's children a productive, peaceful, and joyful day at work. May you experience His grace and love in every moment.Amen 💕🙏❤*

@137dylan 6 ай бұрын

Has Mike released his YT course? I can't find it.

@OkTxSheepLady 6 ай бұрын

At 35, you’re middle age if you live to 70. Count your days carefully gentlemen. Your visits are pleasant to watch.

@ExecutiveZombie 2 ай бұрын

Why don’t you two take this bromance to the next level and do some pushups, pull-ups?! ⚔️💪🏾😎

@LisaMariePhilosophie 5 ай бұрын

Would you please also list the contact information from your guests? ❤

@Andre-zg8wg 6 ай бұрын

The only thing I would changed in this video would be doing the podcast in a different place rather than Mike's appartment... Sometimes you put a lot of effort to find the perfect place and enviromnent, while other times looks like its kinda irrelevant to you... Love you and Mike tho!