Coda Mission exactly. And this man is not humble. Don was arrogant but humble too. Would never talk about himself this way. He’s also a fictional character lol

@Ben Rosen Oh, really? And you seem like a fucking idiot.

Coda Mission Thank you. I see someone else has worked in advertising...

@@townesprescot5441 Yea... Don was always reluctant to talk about himself.

fuck this show

When you live under an assumed identity maybe you should not.

Came here to say just this

@@BitmapJack Lol I'll never understand why people like you whom claim to hate something, como onto a video _specifically_ about the thing they hate, just to say how much they hate it. It's almost as if you all don't have a life lol. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what it is.

Well who knows how Don will turn out to be in his 70s.

Martin Mireles That and Sal was also gay

@@anywaythewindblows8912 pretty sure that's the point he was getting at haha

Max Jones haha yea

LOL

@@anywaythewindblows8912 So true.

Bingo

Actually Don Draper WAS Don Draper. Really nobody could be Dick Whittman. LOL!

Leo Burnett maybe

Thanks for that info that would make more sense that they even paid how much do the guy by using his first name .

Thanks for the information! This makes much more sense.

This is correct WTTW Channel 11 in Chicago where Leo Burnette was based confirmed it, it was Draper Daniels.

Thank you! I caught that too.....smh

Richard Dunn The only time Don was shown being an art director was when he pitched his ideas to Rodger. Which, btw he was also the copywriter. He is really only shown as the creative director, which is neither. Their job is to create and perfect ideas. If anything he deals more in copy than art since he literally never does anything with art and writes or comes up with lines pretty often. Plus, he mentors Peggy, a copywriter.

This is true

Lol I was going to post this, like 10 seconds in they get something wrong.

Richard Dunn its vice. bunch of burnt out hippies. what do you expect?

+ThoseTolerableNoobs I've been saying for a year that Mad Men is NOT a realistic depiction of Madison Ave of the 60s. I was a graphic designer than programmer for PKL & JWalterThompson etc. Don Draper is good at what he is supposed to be doing, but he's NO creative talent. George Lois was not only GREAT at Art Direction (Don is just a sales guy) he was far better looking too. ALL the women working with him had the HOTS for him, trust me. ALL.But he wasn't a womanizer. Maybe THAT was some of his appeal, but I can still see him in my mind's eye, and I have NEVER again met a guy THAT good looking, and BRILLIANT too. The ppl putting him down in this video? THEY WERE JEALOUS. Why should George have ever said "WE" when GEORGE did it ON HIS OWN so *I* was quite appropriate, it wasn't a team effort, after all. Sure I did layouts & typesetting, than ad programming, but I ALWAYS followed GEORGE's (and other Art Directors') very specific specifications. The ART DIRECTORS are 'the' creators. Sure the copywriters have 'some' input, but not as much as depicted on Mad Men. I have fond memories of those days, regardless of the MCP nature of the men. Hell, they had to work outside the home and as we all know, now, (all women I mean), working in the corporate world is nothing but eventually self destructive.

TheGeekiestWoman Don Draper is a copywriter, not an artist, and whilst you might personally not consider the work he comes up with in the show to be any good - the show goes out of its way to portray Don as being considered to have extremely high amounts of talent. If he were bad at his job, the show wouldn't work.

You were a programmer? 'were'? You are supposed to have experience on Madison Avenue in the 60's because you were a programmer in the 60's? Any examples of online campaigns you did in 1963?

Good point.

Don is fictional, this guy isn't

Hạnh-Minh Nguyễn More like the real-life Joan Holloway/Harris :-).

Nah, she looked too modest to be Joan lol

Abby More Yeah. And also last time we met, Joan was working in her own production house.

Yes and no. She actually had children and juggled parenthood and her career. I think her life was tougher than Peggy Olson's. Read her book, Mad Women, it is quite interesting.

it's clickbait that delivers

Fagballs McAssbutts Yours is the best name I have ever heard on KZfaq.

Antonio Perez Someone finally said it!

+idolfan9495 same thing... some agencies have either/or, others have both. The only reason one would have both is because everyone important wants a distinct and definitive title.

+Max Wilson On the show, Sal was the Art Director. And after he got fired, Stan was.

+idolfan9495 I've never even seen the show all the the way through and don't know the names of most of the characters. But I have worked for multiple agencies and am just saying that these titles are subjective and mean only what agencies make them out to mean. For instance, we only had an Art Director, who handled not only the oversight if all renderings/ art related aspects of projects, but also was a main part of the idea-creating/ approving process as well. I'm just saying the Titles are subjective and that's a fact...

But the comment was referring to the show. DD was not Art Director on the show. Someone else was.

idolfan9495 Oh, I understand now. The video was creating a notion that the character was based off of this guy, so you were simply asserting the obvious discrepancy that Vice seemed to have missed.

That's what I thought. Don Draper didn't like to talk about himself. Sure, he had a monstrous ego, but he was a ton more enigmatic than this guy. I doubt Don Draper was written with this man, Lois in mind and any similarities, and I am sure there may be a few, are coincidence. But I didn't see much in common other than some very innovative ads.

Bhumi Kelly This didn't probe into Lois's behavior outside the office. But when you are not just in the fast lane, but created it, you can only imagine.

GlanceofGlory Don is probably just a composite of men but Weiner must have had a good researcher because the character of Don is identical in many ways to my best friend at prep school's father. They mother and father even looked like the actors who portray them and they lived at the same location and much of the other things are the same so it's too much to be coincidental. I can even recall the man showing up some ads and asking what we thought of them. No much since as teens we were interested in other things and didn't pay much attention to what our parents did lol

Reginald Joyboy Most likely it's a composite. A huge part of the show is about the unlikely narrator. Fiction about the 60's would either not portray Don's generation or make them out to be sort of the enemy or adversary to the hippie movement. The characters have period-accurate biases, prejudices, and attitudes, they're not the easy selection but they are still just as interesting (perhaps more) than obvious choices. This guy would be an easy choice, he's gregarious and wants to be hip, wants to be at the center of it all. If they borrowed anything, it was his accomplishments/ideas- little else. Who was this other guy you're speaking of?

GlanceofGlory .... yeah....but don did sit down with cooper's man at the wall street journal and was very George Lois in that interview....

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We miss what we couldn't have and don't appretiate what we do have. 1st part is for you, 2nd for your children. I hope they come around.

@@wordwan You've just read a real life account of what my parents were like. Stereotypes often are rooted in a kernel of truth. I drew the contrast between their alcohol soaked self absorbed value system and my helicopter parental style lamenting my children's lack of communication.

@@palmatrh the key is something in between

It seems like these parenting styles rotate in cycles. You did the best you could and at the end of the day that’s all that matters.

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Yep because it's not what it used to be.... a music channel

Why

Nvm I see

Her name?

not to be a dick, but isnt "madman's real don draper" a more slick title ?

max goedvolk grammatically, that suggests that George Lois was an invention of madmen. :)

max goedvolk They actually just wrote it that way to match the other "Real" series in title structure.

***** its a Creative Director, he was a copy in the past before Roger found him.

Pablo Figueroa He was selling fur coats before Roger found him - he came up with ads for the coat company

*than

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Paisley Plays What M8? ha ha butthurt

ukeuwatch excuse me but that is an obscure reference.

Rich Homie Tom #CavsFanSince July 11th 2014 we all already knew that

So did thousands of others, and they're just as undeserving of a Vice highlight or claim to be the Draper archetype. You're the one looking at this video wrong.

TheZchristina97 - You're looking at the video wrong, idiot.

Don't be mean, Jane Goodnut. Support your claim without name-calling. The fact you're here and passionate about this subject tells me you're capable of doing so. Why not do so? I agree with MrBahBZ and TheZchristina97. They both make good points. What point is it that you're really trying to make?

That it is a presumptive and offensive generalisation to state 'people are looking at this video wrong'. If he has that opinion about a particular commentator then state that as a reply to that person's comment. But a blanket assertion like that is patently hyperbole - I'm not looking at the video wrong at all, to say I am is dumb.

Jane Goodnut, I love you. You're fabulous and talented.

Gregory Gove Exactly, Don Draper knows he's the shit. He didn't feel the need to tell you something you already knew in that regard

***** Confidence and self esteem are tricky things. He's aware of his abilities and talents and is confident about those things and his general efficacy in life. What he does lack is a genuine sense of self worth. Those two things mechanistically different.

I could never imaging the Don Draper character in his old age boasting in this kind of animated way.

Gregory Gove Definitely not

I always wondered what was the meaning behind the man falling off.

That's such a great connection, I never even realized that before you pointed that out :')

+greencorinne8 it reminds me more of hitchcocks movie vertigo. the spinning falling man. that movie was from the same era. and in that movie the woman had two seperate identities like draper. I think that is possibly where the maker of madmen drew his inspiration from for Dons character

Mark Bond hmm interesting. that's why I read the comments. thanks for your take

I just assumed it was to hint at Don's sort of hazardous nature. I think Pete mentioned that he doesn't care about money, he only cares about reaching the next level. I just assumed it was him being so ambitious he was ready to commit career-suicide (think of the anti-tobacco ad) in order to distinguish himself.

i get it b/c she looks like ace ventura

She has a beautiful face but her hair is just bad

Grobee I love her hair

Well, the show was based on the sixties which is earlier than the time period you mentioned where many behaviours present in advertising have been abandoned.

@@blava3155 That's right. One of the characteristics that disappeared by the end of the seventies is that one was dealing with the managing directors. As professionalism set in, one started to deal with professionals instead of the one who put his signature on the cheques. The real transformation was from advertising as a battle of opinions to advertising as a consequence of facts and strategy. But that is boring as hell even if it led to better advertising. You should not forget that the amount of messages to the public increased tremendously. A good idea was sufficient in the fifties. In the sixties you needed to have a lot more, like targeting the audience more precisely. This is shown in the series with the account manager who becomes the media guy. In the USA, advertising and marketing are almost synonymous, so there is more interest in advertising. In Europe, it is marketing that gets interest and people tend to hate advertising and see it as an intrusion. When I first was in the USA, 1982, I watched TV for a day and I was amazed that I could not figure out whether I watched the beginning of the next scene of a sitcom started or a commercial. That would not be possible in Europe.

AIDS is why the sex stopped

2 sentences out of 3 "aint bad." #canyoufigure 😳🙄

peter455sd No she isn´t.

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peter455sd Well that "girl" looks like a man so...

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it's the books author, or someone he knew, can't remember anymore

You’d have to go back a couple centuries to do that😂😂

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