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@GrandNuhoch11 ай бұрын
Sean Price was a major force in keeping real hip-hop alive from 2005-2015. Truly a shame he was not around to see this resurgence.
@jakesynx11 ай бұрын
that mac miller collab he put out in 2015 was fucking flames.
@Chandasouk11 ай бұрын
Duck Down!
@likenem11 ай бұрын
I was about to say Roc Marcino is on the 2011 Random Axe Album
@GrandNuhoch11 ай бұрын
@@likenem and Sean P was on the Snow Remix off Roc's 1st album.
@JudahMarleyTwin111 ай бұрын
And that's why roc loved Sean so much he was doing it since the 90s
@prod_lebig11 ай бұрын
Roc Marciano is too underated
@NavieD11 ай бұрын
I agree
@predatorx808111 ай бұрын
This channel is way too underrated... seriously 😅
@SocialStoicYouTube11 ай бұрын
He’s not under rated, it’s just that the likes of Drake are OVER rated and severely under hated
@CVinyl11 ай бұрын
@@SocialStoicKZfaq he is a dope producer also.
@Renasense11 ай бұрын
That's wild! I just spent the day listening to Roc Marciano's catalogue, especially Behold A Dark Horse! Great video!
@labbaby18911 ай бұрын
I still credit Alc and Madlib for preserving that underground sound. I myself have been making beats since 2005 when everyone wanted to get on the radio. Roc was one of my biggest influences from the U.N. and Flipmode days.
@mgiebus186911 ай бұрын
Yea they did an awesome job throwing new artists on those beats. Major shouts to them
@discowolf2511 ай бұрын
Shoutout to ST too. Only label that kept their artists paid and, creative asl.
@edbaiza775711 ай бұрын
Boom Bap was pioneered by DJ Premier and Pete Rock!!Alchemist took Boom Bap to a Grimey Level, Griselda just learned from HIM!!! If it wasnt for Alchemist it wouldn't of been Grimey.. Griselda is LEGIT THO!!
@discowolf2511 ай бұрын
@@edbaiza7757 I mean if we wanna go to Premo (who is the 🐐 imo) then, we gt shoutout Pete Rock, No ID, Just Blaze etc. Griselda been around for a while but compared to Premo- they just got here.
@sammymolina527011 ай бұрын
Gotta throw DJ MUGGS in that mix
@curtmcgirt420711 ай бұрын
I've been following Roc since he was in flipmode. He definitely kept the lights on in the house of boom bap. He didn't do it alone though... you gotta give guys like Planet Asia, Evidence, Sean P(RIP), DOOM(RIP), ALCHEMIST, MUGGS, Madlib, and too many more to mention credit as well.
@tyronethormille11 ай бұрын
Talk to these niccas!
@heiseye994111 ай бұрын
SEAN P!!!
@bobjohn783211 ай бұрын
Yeh I agree man Sean p and planet Asia need more respect. Fact a lot of people don’t know who muggs is but know cypress is hill is crazy. Never forget muggs taught alchemist how to make beats was the one who introduced him to infamous mobb and mobb deep.
@LBtheG11 ай бұрын
PA Medallions for sure
@robs267111 ай бұрын
Fr I’m over thinking like when did boom bap die ??
@VernissageRecs11 ай бұрын
Crazy thing about this video is that it only covers Roc Marciano’s PRODUCTION. Could do an entirely separate video highlighting his lyricism. He’s really in a class of his own.
@1netakeent11 ай бұрын
Facts, Roc is the new v on his own lol
@Noog628411 ай бұрын
Bro really is NICE !
@FishScaleNetwork9 ай бұрын
Yeah it's the flow more than the production tbh The minimalist sound been here it's the way he attacks the beat
@pgwwa211 ай бұрын
I think all these elements can be traced back to Wu-Tang in early / mid 90s, they just weren't as prominent in 00s. The gritty minimalism of Marcberg reminded me a bit of some stuff from Tical by Method Man which I loved.
@lighttalefilmz11 ай бұрын
But he said modern boom bap !
@seanyoung901411 ай бұрын
@@lighttalefilmz Do you not know what "trace back" means? Wu Tang for sure birthed what we call modern boom bap even before Roc did and I've been a Roc fan since 1998. Roc just made it popular again after all the other NYC rappers sold out or faded away. Now, if you want to talk the drumless neo mafioso movement that made Griselda famous, then yeah that was all Roc and Alchemist.
@geoffroyclop11 ай бұрын
I think one of the most obvious 90s beats that really uses the same technics as “neo boom bap” is also produced by RZA, the bonus track on OB4CL, “North Star (Jewelz)” Barely touched sample (a lil bit pitched down), simply looped, no drum pattern It was my favorite cut off the album first time I’ve heard it
@seanyoung901411 ай бұрын
@@geoffroyclop I had just started making beats about a year before that album came out and as soon as I heard that one, I was like "Why tf have I been struggling trying to make these drums sound good all this time?!" 😂
@CarryTheThree11 ай бұрын
Agreed, I'm from where Griselda is from, That style of Music just never went Out with us, it's just that Other styles became super Popular,.. Roc, Larry June, 38, and Griselda all gave props to each other, and Griselda never Claimed what the Title says, It's confusing and sounds like Hating on them to Prop up somebody that they also Like and Give credit to. Estee Nack, Divino, RJ Payne, Ransom to an extent, there's a whole host of Guys on the east coast who do this very well. My crew personally were into Mob deep, But the Music that made us, was Wutang, Onyx, Lost Boyz, Cnn, Nas.
@MvnStn11 ай бұрын
Every time Navie does a video on boombap, I get so inspired to cook a boombap beat up! I actually look forward to Tuesdays to make a beat. lol Good work, Navie! We appreciate tf out of you. At least, I do. Cheers.
@NavieD11 ай бұрын
Hahah beautiful! I am glad I'm able to help in any way possible
@MvnStn11 ай бұрын
@@NavieD Guess what I was just doing lol.. but yea, you are definitely an inspiration. I work 3 jobs (technically) and have 2 kids at the opposite ends of the "child age range" spectrum.. and a wife to please. Suffice it to say, it can be challenging to find time, let alone inspiration, to make music. Something about the way you break things down makes me want to go and try things. lol Not to mention, I have yet to dislike a single example beat you have made in your videos thus far. Maybe I just like your style of beats. lol Cheers!
@shroomlord98811 ай бұрын
Yall are Cornballs you don’t even know what Boom Bap means
@sat124111 ай бұрын
@@NavieD some people are critical of the Griselda beats where the drums are often quieter and less danceable, instead going for a darker muddier more mysterious soundtrack-like sound. The beats are not innovative, the difference is interesting atmosphere and texture. The end result less funky also
@graffy690111 ай бұрын
You got beats? *scratches neck* 😂
@thecatalyst8411 ай бұрын
It's crazy to me that Roc was considered to have had basically zero buzz at the time Marcberg dropped. When that came out, I had been eagerly waiting for a Roc Marciano album for an entire decade at that point.
@seanyoung901411 ай бұрын
People thought he needed Flipmode or something even though the U.N. album easily proved that wasn't the case.
@musaka202211 ай бұрын
Facts King!!!!!!!!! But Roc never rhymed about wearing no dresses, Chanel , womens fashion brands or his cellys stained bed sheets smell!!!!!!!!!!! And The Big Homie Wess voice definitely not the same as Roc!!!!!!!!! He a one of one!!!!!!! It's more similar to Foxy Brown if anyone!!!!!!! Plus Roc never rocked no Birkin bags or Missy Elliot fur space boots homie!!!!!!!!!!!
@c.christopher611511 ай бұрын
Yeah I've been a Roc fan since the Heist on Busta's Anarchy album, I think that came out in 99
@musaka202211 ай бұрын
Pause @@c.christopher6115
@eyeballchambaz66711 ай бұрын
@@musaka2022 puutin' the ho in hotep
@XiliesFwnesOfficial11 ай бұрын
Roc Marciano is the one who saved Hip-Hop by bringing back RZA's 90's drumless sound!When I listened to Marcberg i understood that this man will possibly bring the renaissance of the quality and authentic Hip Hop sound and style.His aesthetic is unbeatable.If you like Roc you must also listen to KA.He is low key but he is a legend with this Hempstead grimey sound and lyrical genious rhymescheme.Word.
@moussegarbonzo835211 ай бұрын
Ka is the greatest lyricist ever
@XiliesFwnesOfficial11 ай бұрын
One of the greatests for sure @@moussegarbonzo8352
@amsterdammokumdamsko506611 ай бұрын
@@moussegarbonzo8352 KA his pengame is unmatched!!!!!
@aclockworkbeat11 ай бұрын
Kudos to you for shining a light on Roc Marciano....he is absolutely the godfather of modern boom bap. To give Griselda their credit, he is featured on multiple early tracks by them as well.
@musaka202211 ай бұрын
Facts King!!!! But Griselda saved the game and brang back that real 90's homoerotica homie!!!!!!!!!! We been missin it !!!!!!!!!!!!! Never heard Roc rhyme like The Big Bro Benny either!!!!!!! The Big Bro said " I'm round the stove like a fire blanket, transporting 6 million bricks in a horse and wagon" !!!!!!! That's fire son and real life bars!!!!!!! He really bout that life whoadie!!!!!!!!!
@sadetwizelve11 ай бұрын
No he isn’t,it didn’t go anywhere…MF Doom and Alchemist kept it going from the 90s into the 00s and 10s…There is no “modern” boom bap,it’s the same sound and techniques.
@sadetwizelve11 ай бұрын
@@musaka2022homoerotica? Tf you talking about
@musaka202211 ай бұрын
Tell me who been getting it in since LL switched to TV and all the other 90s video clips of dozens of sweaty shirtless men crowded together with their underwear hangin out??? Only Griselda King !!!!!!! @@sadetwizelve
@wolfboy2011 ай бұрын
Word! His Verse on Rex Ryan was Fucking Swag Personified! 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
@Pavillionairez11 ай бұрын
Great video. Props for recognizing Roc Marciano, alot of us real hiphop heads were rocking with Marci before Griselda
@ArashiKageTaro11 ай бұрын
Not to flex or anything but I immediately knew you were talking about Roc Marciano! Also, Ka is another one who helped re-pave that path. Although technically he’s been around since the 90s as a part of Natural Elements. If y’all don’t know about him, look him up. He’s also a Brooklyn firefighter, so an IRL hero
@kazzythegypsy_3.011 ай бұрын
Both of them have been around since that time
@PunkThrashMetal11 ай бұрын
Forever needing that Metal Clergy album. Their chemistry together is amazing
@lukechapman671011 ай бұрын
Me too
@adamdimitrijevic181111 ай бұрын
Ka and roc too much
@SirThomas_II11 ай бұрын
I just left a comment talking about Ka too, the real ones know man!! He's my #1 favorite rapper of all time and I can say that with confidence
@skilletburritos846411 ай бұрын
The part about Grimey sampled beats with synths has been around & were gaining momentum since the 2000's in the Underground. El-P, Necro, Stoupe, as well as producers who worked with Army Of The Pharaohs, etc.
@ProdbyGrimeyred11 ай бұрын
Shit existed before the 00s
@Meta4ce11 ай бұрын
🕵🏾♂️ I see what you're doing 🙄
@prodigal442211 ай бұрын
Roc Marciano did a track with Griselda when Griselda first hit the scene. They know Marciano was the inventor.
@p.w.4011 ай бұрын
Rex Ryan🔥🔥🔥my introduction to Conway and WG
@ProdbyGrimeyred11 ай бұрын
Inventor of what?
@TBSDrinkTeam11 ай бұрын
Roc Marci is Rakim of that Era. His flow is untouchable. His beats too. He has a complex simplicity, I dont know how to describe it
@MrCbwTV11 ай бұрын
Strong ISLAND 🔥
@KidLoveWax11 ай бұрын
Madlib, Doom, Dilla and the likes did this way, way back! 🤘
@hazeraw11 ай бұрын
facts!
@MS-111 ай бұрын
100% and there are countless others on top of them also considered the "loop masters."
@adeniranbalthazar570011 ай бұрын
I was going to say that everything he showed felt like a cross between RZA, Madlib and Kool Keith
@coolo7311 ай бұрын
correct…they pioneered the whole ‘raw loop’ style. dilla even said “straight loops…fuck it” and madlib simply called himself ‘the loop digga’. Another indication is both made a calculated turn away from doing more complicated production. They did heavier full studio productions then switched to basic SP-303 loop stuff. This video is giving credit to the wrong people. All those dudes were just trying to make records that sounded like Madlib productions. Of course other folks like Jay Electronica, Alchemist, etc. also leaned into the style. Honestly it’s not really Boom Bap per se…I call it ‘cinematic under-production’. The pioneers of the style I’d say would be folks like Muggs, DJ Shadow, and RZA.
@MS-111 ай бұрын
@@coolo73 Exactly.
@eddyjahbombassbeats7811 ай бұрын
It was him and also KA, the Grief Pedigree album is maaad underrated💯💯💯
@NavieD11 ай бұрын
Damn, I remember that album when it came out
@ruqone11 ай бұрын
"And if we being frank, I created this lane, if you hatin' then eat a frank." - Roc Marci
@NavieD11 ай бұрын
Hahah great lyric
@unbiased00011 ай бұрын
I first heard of Roc Marci when "Petestrumentals" dropped in 2001 and he was rapping with his crew (the UN) on two tracks. He laid down the last verse on the last track (called Cake) and i knew nothing about this dude except that shit was ill as fuck and insanely effortless sounding. That alone let me know he was on another level, in that Wu-Tang level. And lo and behold he is making shit better than eveybody else and gettin the well earned props
@premejon830011 ай бұрын
Its crazy How bittersweet Roc getting his flowers is for me. As much as I want the world to hear some of the finest displays for artistry there ever was, I also enjoy putting people on to Roc when they have no clue their world is gonna be opened up to a new life
@brandonbrown572111 ай бұрын
I don’t believe they ever said they were the creators, they just showed us that in todays rap scene this form of rap will always be necessary
@playingmusiconmars11 ай бұрын
Boom Bap never went away. What Roc Marciano AND Ka (who also needs to be mentioned!) revolutionized was sparsity and economy while still being complex. The style of Beat never went away - you just weren't listening to good rap music.
@reek111111 ай бұрын
What about Joey badass? Dash and retch ? Action Bronson ? Lol underground nyc never stopped boom bap
@omardavis162211 ай бұрын
The first always get overlooked. Roc Marciano is what Schoolly D is to Gangsta Rap. ☝🏾
@MeatzzTTV11 ай бұрын
I first heard Roc Marciano on 'Modern Day Revelations' off of Bronson/Alchemist 2012 Mixtape Rare Chandeliers. His verse is dripping with steez, i had never heard anything like it. He quickly became my favorite rapper, and ive been bumping him ever since. Thanks for the awesome video!!
@kenstevens785510 ай бұрын
One of the coldest verses ever. Bars were immaculate.
@bombermancan11 ай бұрын
Inventor is a strong word too buddy... the craft of beat making is more like THE FORCE... being passed down thru generations with the essence of the elders
@wayne0the0sasquatch10 ай бұрын
❤
@CLeb611 ай бұрын
glad you made this I’ve been trying to make a lot of stuff like this lately and your in depth explanations makes it so much easier
@RafaelGarcia-xl5qr11 ай бұрын
Roc isnt responsible for the “modern day boom dap”, he pioneered the loop style of production as a rapper/producer. I believe that title should go to The Alchemist. “Return Of The Mac” was before “Marcberg”.
@hazeraw11 ай бұрын
feel your comment. also Hus Kingpin & Smoovth aka Tha Connection did stuff like that back in *06 or '07 and collaborated as well with Roc Marci at a later point of time. hard to tell. guess it's a mvement. everything running in circles.
@PuroBrim3611 ай бұрын
@hazeraw could also be they've been working together and never took credit kuz roc put them in to that idea. So out of respect they did what was right and never claimed the lane kuz it is rocs lane
@JackVz11 ай бұрын
Yeah ied say Knxledge the alchmist and j dilla the most important guys for modern boom bap.
@ecpruthless11 ай бұрын
the "loop" style was prob pioneered by Madlib,and he was prob influenced by dilla...id say before alchemist roc on the other hand had his own thing going on in a similar time frame hard to tell who influenced who
@sanejam711 ай бұрын
Bap*
@Roachdaddymoneybags11 ай бұрын
Fucking finally some flowers for Roc. Most overlooked.
@NavieD11 ай бұрын
Truuuuu
@Samuel-hp6op11 ай бұрын
He's been seen as a goat by many for years
@ambrushadam11 ай бұрын
Excellent video as always Navie. You’re so good at analyzing and breaking down beats ✌️
@cacheofchetoonz11 ай бұрын
Bro 😂 this was being done in 93 by homies off radio shack Casio samplers😅
@b.o.195111 ай бұрын
76 is still one of my favorite songs. Also this channel is absolutely excellent. Much appreciation.
@toussaintphillips489411 ай бұрын
We never used the manuals just worked it out, inspired from ideas not copied ideas ... its like beat making colouring books now
@ducklabsgaming467611 ай бұрын
Too many how to sound like tutorials going against every last fibre of hip hop
@illnetic11 ай бұрын
So much respect for bringing this to the forefront. I’ve been saying for years that Marc invented this style of rap.
@beyondfivenineteen11 ай бұрын
Nothing was invented bro lol this was done a long time ago by RZA. When something goes out of "style" and somebody else comes in and does the same or similar shit, that second dude is not the inventor
@jxybreez11 ай бұрын
You definitely have to give credit to projects like Donuts and Beat Konducta Vol. 1-2 for exploring the drumless sound.
@spliffsoldier11 ай бұрын
NAVIE, MY BOY, EVERY TUESDAY, WE HERE!
@NavieD11 ай бұрын
Tuesday gang here we are
@OnlyTheRuggedSurvive11 ай бұрын
Roc Marciano is my favorite rapper. Most underrated artist in the genre.
@mildsteven7711 ай бұрын
I flipped that Little Ann song about 12 years ago when I was learning to use Ableton. I loved hearing Conway over it. I’d completely forgot what the sample was though so thanks for telling me
@surikati11 ай бұрын
Inacreditável!!! Nunca pensei que veria uma das minhas músicas favoritas sendo explicada em detalhes, Panic do Roc Marciano é incrível. Sou seu fã aqui do Brasil, sempre assisti agora seu vídeos que como sempre são fantásticos!
@bot-cz8yo11 ай бұрын
Brabo
@ianpiragibe519111 ай бұрын
🇧🇷
@paulie_g_6 ай бұрын
When it comes to breaking down and explaining beats, you the man! - Edit: decided to pull the trigger on Better Beatmaker, let's go!
@dashtongoff139111 ай бұрын
Navie, keep up your videos, they are so informative and entertaining, your a great part of this community.
@goodfella160511 ай бұрын
Amazing work as always
@NavieD11 ай бұрын
Thank you my dear friend
@keejay1211 ай бұрын
Well thx alot for giving me something to listen to at work today my guy. Navie back with the 💎💎💎
@NavieD11 ай бұрын
Hahah I hope you like it!
@PsychoHipHoptos11 ай бұрын
Well, nice for you to notice marciano's influence on the griselda sound. But in fact the pioneer of this sound is Ka. Long before 2010, the brownsville artist pioneered this style, which he still has to this day. Bless
@ginocool26711 ай бұрын
That beat you made at the end is 🔥 !
@Welsed11 ай бұрын
It’s so funny cuz these sounds and grooves and vibes were being used well in the 1999 - to now. You just weren’t listening to those underrated unknown artists.
@LJ-Stone0811 ай бұрын
0:34 Haven’t seen who the artist is yet but i’m assuming it’s Roc Marci
@ItzBlonBlizzy11 ай бұрын
Same I already thought it was roc
@NavieD11 ай бұрын
You've read my mind
@pauledwards526611 ай бұрын
Please do a video on Paul C. McKasty, he's the guy that Large Professor credits as inventing chopping in the mid-80s. There is a great article about him called "Return to the World as a Thought" by Dave Tompkins that interviews a lot of legends talking about Paul C's impact (he was sadly murdered back in 1989). He did production for Eric B & Rakim, Ultramagnetic MCs, Organized Konfusion, Queen Latifah, Biz Markie, etc.
@NavieD11 ай бұрын
Hmmm I'll have to look into this
@pauledwards526611 ай бұрын
@@NavieD On an Instagram post, Questlove described him as "The engineer/producer/beatdigger who inspired your fav producer's favorite producer" and "one of the first cats to production and try ideas no one thought to ever do on such a limiting machine. Damn near the J Dilla of his day." Also in the the article I mentioned it says: "Pete Rock has said Alchemist’s production reminds him of Paul C".
@preciousgorgeousralf13711 ай бұрын
@@NavieDhope you get to this
@marvinsbprealty576011 ай бұрын
Paul C definitely had something special
@SamFocused11 ай бұрын
I Always Heard The dilla infuence in his Sound 💯💯💯 Roc Marciano is Another great one who deserves his Flowers. So Navie gave it to him and is the one who Educate the New Generation better than every music teacher ever could 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@OcasaProducciones11 ай бұрын
I totally agree!!
@TheTrumanZoo11 ай бұрын
great content lately. love these diggs.
@NavieD11 ай бұрын
Thank you my friend
@crimes211 ай бұрын
Roc Marc DEFINITELY deserves to be ranked AS AN ELITE in the grand scheme of things. Dude super talented n deserves more love !
@musaka202211 ай бұрын
Aint never seen Roc wear any avant garde fashion homie!!!!!!!!! Let me know when he rock Chanel, Julia Lang or Fenti like THE BIG BRO WESS!!!!!!!! That's fam!!!!!!!!! He changed the game fr fr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@crimes211 ай бұрын
@@musaka2022 what are you even talking about?
@musaka202211 ай бұрын
Big Griselda Fashion rebels nah mean????!!!! Breakin norms in giant dutch clogs with heels and long-johns nah mean????!!!!! @@crimes2
@moussegarbonzo835211 ай бұрын
@@musaka2022 Benny's hairline is groundbreaking!!!
@musaka202211 ай бұрын
Thats facts King!!!! Benny said every time the label push back his album release, he's gonna push back his hairline!!! That's his rebel spirit King!!!!! @@moussegarbonzo8352
@camwhite401511 ай бұрын
dope credit to Roc and i would give him credit for the resurgence him and Kai but the style goes all the way back to pause tapes. great content!
@itsrelativ396711 ай бұрын
i'm not sure if you a familiar with the westcoast underground scene. But it's a fact that Ras Kass and Planet Asia are more known for the resurgence of that sound. They been doing it since 2005.
@sethevatt982211 ай бұрын
praise roc marciano! he and alc are to thank for all the good music coming out. they planted the seeds and put in the groundwork for wat gxfr was gonna do years later
@wctolliver11 ай бұрын
His production is unique, powerful, and inspiring; but the bars are why he is Top 5 for me, no debating.
@rhysmaccabei568011 ай бұрын
Bless your soul bro. , Marci been the gist since flip mode squad , best rapper of all time 💯 big ups from 🇦🇺
@Rudeboy_71611 ай бұрын
Dudes been around since forever. Crazy he didn’t drop an album until 2010. First heard him on bustas album back in 2000.
@ssmfetti11 ай бұрын
Can you do a breakdown on 90s/00s HipHop/R&B songs like Mesmerize by Ashanti/Ja Rule or Playas Gon Play by 3LW?? They have sounds in there I wish I could find out what they are. Keep up the great videos! You’re the best 👍👍
@NavieD11 ай бұрын
Hm, I don't often do R&B to be honest
@theinfamous03211 ай бұрын
@@NavieDBut you could breakdown Rap songs with RnB features or influence.
@ssmfetti11 ай бұрын
@@NavieD The HipHop songs you do sample R&B & all kinds of music. I don’t see the difference? These are also not classic R&B songs like new Jack swing, they’re really HipHop beats with R&B vocals if that helps any. But do whatever feels best for you! If you can’t, I understand. 🫡
@ThaRealERAQ11 ай бұрын
I would argue this style with the sample and no drums started on bobby digital or a couple of ghost tracks where basically rhymes to the sample. Gza fire house feat ka also did this style of beat (damn produced by roc marciano never knew
@ducklabsgaming467611 ай бұрын
100%
@ThaRealERAQ11 ай бұрын
ghostface killa all that i got is you is probably one of the first like that where its mainly just the sample playing
@Channel_2020_11 ай бұрын
Discovered Roc Marciano at a Sean Price show. Underground rap as always flourished. I just vividly remember something about the way he did it bridging the mainstream and underground.
@sovereigncosmicwildman11 ай бұрын
I never got a chance to catch up with "modern boom bap". I'm a look up that Roc Marciano track he did with Busta over a JDilla beat
@YoungF.A.D11 ай бұрын
Do a video on knxwledge!!!!
@NavieD11 ай бұрын
I might! It's on my list
@gotmoresoul11 ай бұрын
Respect to Roc for carrying the torch for boom bap while everyone jumped on the money-making machine of the cookie cutter trap beat factory, but calling him "the REAL inventor" of modern boom bap is hyperbolic. There were hundreds, if not thousands, of "boom Bap" holdouts during the industry-wide bandwagon-hopping to cookie cutter trap beats. People who were boom bap holdouts and released boom bap were dismissed by many as "old heads" or accused of being stuck on an "outdated" sound. There isn't any "inventor" of modern boom bap, there was just always us who carried the existing torch.
@viperrecords328811 ай бұрын
Omg thank you. How can you invent something that was already there.
@SoundSignals11 ай бұрын
Great video. One thing i have learned is never use Serato Sample for drums, it smears the transients and any crack or punch the sample has is lost, especially when you drift from the original tempo of the sample and definitely when you use Serato Sample's pitch, so be careful, it get mooshy real quick. Try it against the original audio, you'll hear it.
@kyranbrewer536211 ай бұрын
I really believe Sean Price was the battery that sparked modern day boom bap 💯
@NeekRusher11 ай бұрын
Naive salute on your homage to Roc Marci. You have to add DJ Premier into this. He was/is the king of the boom bap sound as well. Hell he even did an album with KRS One in 1993 Return Of The Boom Bap. Appreciate what you do for the music production community keep it going. ✌🏾
@NavieD11 ай бұрын
For sure. This video is more focused on modern boom bap, not sure if DJ Premier fits into this as directly
@NeekRusher11 ай бұрын
@@NavieD I’m a throw this DJ Premier song at you. Ain’t the Devil Happy off of Jeru The Damaga album. Strip away Preemo signature drum pattern. You have what is know as "Today’s modern boom bap" Throw a Roc, West, Conway, Rome Streets, Flee Lord vocal over his sample chop and you wouldn’t even know whether it was made in 93 or 2023. That’s all I’m saying. Salute Naive.
@CarnalCarnival11 ай бұрын
@@NavieD DJ Premier is not retired, he's still making music - for modern boom bap artists. In this sense, he certainly still fits into this, since his body of work spans both old-school boom bap, right up into more modern stuff. There are a lot of tremendous UK artists and producers also keeping this alive, for example check out some groups like Contact Play, Four Owls, and Leaf Dog in particular. The Four Owls blew up quite massively into the UK, and became one of the first underground UKHH groups to get a collab with DJ Premier himself, on the song "Think Twice" which was produced back in 2015. There's also another dude called Ocean Wisdom who's from a small coastal town called Brighton, and he also blew up in the UK, eventually doing a track with Method Man called 'Ting Dun". All that being said though, not trying to split hairs or anything. Big fan of your videos and production tips, and tbh Pimpstrumentals was always one of my favourite beat tapes of his. You should do a video on the French producer Onra and his "Chinoiseries" albums, some of those tracks are incredible.
@NeekRusher11 ай бұрын
@@CarnalCarnival I’m just saying if we gonna talk about boom bap music production . Let’s talk about it. Everything you said is 💯. Preemo has to be in the subject of Boom Bap. He just did a joint with West & Rome. And Preemo still ill with how he chops samples. Don’t get me hype. 😂 Peace champ.
@CarnalCarnival11 ай бұрын
@@NeekRusher there are many faces on the Mt Rushmore of "boom bap", but personally DJ Premier is probably not even in my top 3 favourite producers, even the term boom-bap is kinda annoying because it refers to the golden age of hip hop during the 90s, and music and hip hop in general have evolved so much since then. Sometimes the power of music is bigger than the labels we use to define it, it can lose value the more you try to over emphasize one particular era over another. Dilla, Madlib, Flying Lotus are all household names who pushed old school and modern music in way more exciting directions than Dj Premier. A lot of people forget that you don't need rappers to make good hip hop. One producer I have been listening to a lot and find hella inspiring is an artist called Spectacular Diagnostics.
@bagoftrix11 ай бұрын
I’ve been a fan since flipmode and the U.N., it’s great to see Roc getting his flowers. Have to mention Rza and Alchemist’s influences on the sound. Elements of early Wu and tracks like The Realest from Mobb Deep (alc produced) alongside the Return of the Mack mixtape were low key pivotal.
@MelloDeeBeats11 ай бұрын
I knew it was gonna be roc Marciano because Action Bronson got his sound from him and I knew Griselda took some sauce from him. Great vid.
@DiamondPorVidaa4 ай бұрын
Navie, love your videos and have always loved hip-hop and sampling. You do the best job at breaking down beats and recreating them for non-producers to understand. You have an extensive hip-hop knowledge that is uncanny. This was an awesome topic and you made a great video. It would be really awesome to see a video on Atmosphere and some of their samples and songs. Ant is one of my favorite producers and his sampling and sounds are really intricate. When you brought up the part about modern boom bap using unnatural synths, it immediately made me think about the song "Delicate" by Atmosphere. There is some pretty heavy synth and it is a really amazingly produced song. Ant and Slug have known how to stay relevant and creative with their music over the years while staying true to hip-hop and evolving. It would be awesome to see a breakdown on some of their songs (also MF DOOM, but I'm sure you already know that). Thank you so much for these videos. You are extremely knowledgeable and I really enjoy the content you put out.
@kidv210 ай бұрын
Man I love love love the channel, you make me discover so many tracks so many artists, thank you
@jakubsima237510 ай бұрын
Digging one layer deeper there is Ka, he came with a lot of stuff Marciano doing as well including sample-centered approach and slow and deliberate flow.
@IamKwote11 ай бұрын
Giving ROC his flowers is real first time I ever heard Griselda was on a Roc music video. Love this!! Marci is NASTY with it! FYI before the video even started I said only person he can be talking about is Marci and I was right! LOL
@GangeHrolfr11 ай бұрын
To be fair, Westside Gunn was doing rap many years before 2010. He went to prison and when he came out he just kept making Boom Bap Hip Hop, he didn't jump on the trap/southern inspired beats. Cuz he had been in the can.
@sanejam711 ай бұрын
It's because he from NY that he stayed with that sound.
@LoneGRoEnt11 ай бұрын
It's September we back in school kids. Great video. Already learning from these classes.
@CiCSkitzzee9 ай бұрын
dude... i have been watching every video that comes up in the past few days... ive watched a lot of beat videos.. you have the best on youtube... ive had a major artistic block for the past year.. adn your videos have given me mad inspiration to jump back into music production... thank you... these videos a bangers
@mrnoeggsplease11 ай бұрын
This just popped up and I knew he was gonna talk about Roc Marciano. "76" was the first song I heard and Marci has continued to deliver since!
@rhysmaccabei568011 ай бұрын
You the goat for doing this , I been bumping since worlds greatest diamond heist
@washedupcreative.11 ай бұрын
Modern boom bap or boom bap i dont think the sound ever really died
@TheRedRevival_11 ай бұрын
I think another point is that a lot of these more modern beats are a much slower bpm then boom bap of the 90s
@wahyagabriel616711 ай бұрын
Love your Videos. First time I remember hearing Soul Loops & sparse drums was RZA. All that I Got is You (Ghost-1996) & Hollow Bones (The W-2000). Roc Embraced it for sure Another sound I think Roc Pioneered was the Wailing Guitar sound
@BogodileMotlhabane11 ай бұрын
I'm proud to own MARCBERG on wax!!!! Definitely CLASSIC LP! Shout to Roc and Griselda for some good boom bap music! Your channel is great and you really know your stuff. Big up. #HIPHOP
@BongaMotau-fc2eh11 ай бұрын
Eeey ndoda
@TheBeetone11 ай бұрын
Big up Navie D bringing light to the founders!
@a_random_voice_in_the_void11 ай бұрын
I dunno. I feel like El-P was producing like this going all the way back to Cannibal Ox.
@SirThomas_II11 ай бұрын
I saw the beard at the beginning and INSTANTLY knew it was Roc!!! Shout-out the Gawd man, Roc stay dropping classic after classic. I'd suggest doing a deep dive into Ka next, Roc has worked with him quite a bit over the years and I can honestly say they're both two of the best pens in the game damn near Undisputed
@OcasaProducciones11 ай бұрын
Muchas gracias profe!!! Desde Colombia aprendiendo con tus masterclass. Thank you very much teacher!!! From Colombia learning with your masterclass.
@Bagheera_Smoov11 ай бұрын
I was so ready to disagree with this claim until you revealed who it was lol. I STRONGLY agree! 🤞🏽💯
@deedytornado688811 ай бұрын
Good breakdown... I'm going to look for that project... that Marcberg hard!!!
i mean, roc just grabbed the torch from wu. and shout out to alchemist, who's been doing this for years, and stays on the scene
@Chris-bw9bq10 ай бұрын
Skyzoo been keeping boombap going before Grizelda. He is the first person I heard shout them out and had west side gun on a song before I even heard of him. Of course he also gets Alc, 9th wonder, premier, Apollo brown and others for beats so his sound is legit.
@latenitebeats11 ай бұрын
There was never a Boom Bap Resurgence. Your ears and eyes just wandered away for awhile.
@mauriceriddick416811 ай бұрын
Y'all do know that Griselda gives Roc Marci his flowers whenever this topic is spoken of right??? Reasons he's on Conway Reject 2.
@kennydust11 ай бұрын
First of all salute cos you're the first I've seen covering this topic that explicitly highlights Roc Marci. He fully deserves credit for ushering in the new wave, but-I don't think that can be done accurately without giving it up to DJ Muggs, RZA, 4th Disciple and True Master and then Madlib & J Dilla. C.R.E.A.M.', Can It Be..., '97 Mentality' to name a few. And Wu were huge without radio love so the style definitely ain't new or super obscure. Even your example with Panic, add a third kick before each snare and you've basically got RZA. Early 2000s, Madlib was flying that flag, obviously Madvillainy being the most prominent example: Fancy Clown & Rhinestone Cowboy for starters then onto Jaylib: Heavy, The Official for example. The real under-appreciated game changer was Donuts though. Dilla flipped even the most common breaks without adding drums. That was what opened up this whole lane they're calling micro-chopping that we're in now. People weren't doing that shit on a broad scale til he made it ok. And he did that in response to the chipmunk soul era that Bink, Ye and Just Blaze popularised. I remember producers back then saying they had a lot of those same records but never heard them in that way. That was in '06. Marcberg came out 2010.
@Dubbudha11 ай бұрын
Shortly after watching this video I listened "Memories Live" by Reflection Eternal (Talib Kweli & DJ Hi-Tek). It sounds like Hi-Tek could be another producer influencing the sound of modern boom bap. He already used several aspects of modern boom bap, but to a less prominent extent..
@brandonneal86311 ай бұрын
The magic eye puzzle is a big fish with the tail sticking out of the right side of a pool of water with a mountain on the left side
@TakeRisksGang11 ай бұрын
BEEN MY FAV RAPPER FOR A MINUTE 🗣BRO REALLY TOP NOTCH 🔥A GENUIS WITH HIS CRAFT 💯
@raymondcarter891511 ай бұрын
Roc did more than subdue the drums...he eventually took them jawns out completely lol.
@phadde11 ай бұрын
To your point 1: check out 97 mentality (cappadonna), new York undercover (Call o’ da wild), 260 (Ghostface), it was a good day remix (ice cube), North Star (Raekwon). And Sparkle mr midnight mix (camp lo). And liquid Sword (GZA) allthough a bit more drum heavy: still a pure loop.
@dwaynewright998111 ай бұрын
“Snow” let me know it was still out there. Thank goodness.
@radripatarkat83609 ай бұрын
One correction I want to make is that Roc Marciano Thugs prayers came around 2007. I remember clearly since I used to compile best of the years songs.
@coolhandluke998710 ай бұрын
you are so under rated brother....your time will come