Do your research pal. Mossdale isn’t in West Yorkshire nor would we see more birds of prey if we banned shooting

The Government has responded to the petition you signed - “Protect grouse Moors and grouse shooting”. Government responded: Grouse shooting is a legitimate activity that provides economic benefits, jobs and investment in some of our most remote areas and can offer important benefits for wildlife and habitat conservation. A report by the UK shooting community (Public & Corporate Economic Consultants report 2014: The Value of Shooting) concludes that the overall environmental and economic impact of game bird shooting is positive; the industry has estimated that £250 million per year is spent on management activities substantially benefiting conservation. For grouse shooting in particular, according to the Moorland Association, estates in England and Wales spent £52.5 million on managing 149 grouse moors for shooting in 2010. Scottish landowners manage a further 150 moors for shooting grouse. The industry also supports 1,520 full time equivalent jobs and is worth £97.7 million across Great Britain. Grouse shooting takes place in upland areas, which are important for delivering a range of valuable “ecosystem services”, including food and fibre, water regulation, carbon storage, biodiversity and recreational opportunities for health and wellbeing. The Government is committed to helping create a more sustainable future for the English uplands, including by protecting peatlands through measures such as the Peatland Code. The Government welcomes the proactive approach taken by game keeping organisations to ensure a sustainable, mutually beneficial relationship between shooting and conservation, for example through the British Association for Shooting and Conservation’s green shoots initiative. The Government recognises the benefits that grouse shooting, and shooting more widely, bring to individuals, the environment and the rural economy. It is for these reasons that the Government believes shooting and other country pursuits such as hunting and fishing should be protected. Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Click this link to view the response online: petition.parliament.uk/petitions/164851?reveal_response=yes The Petitions Committee will take a look at this petition and its response. They can press the government for action and gather evidence. If this petition reaches 100,000 signatures, the Committee will consider it for a debate. The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: petition.parliament.uk/help#petitions-committee Thanks, The Petitions team UK Government and Parliament

It's already illegal to kill protected birds of prey it has nothing to do with the petition,you are trying to ban grouse shooting under the guise of it protecting endangered birds.

Have to admit, I was with you until the last sentence. I'm not sure that makes sense. Want to raise funds to increase awareness? Count me in. Want to raise funds to help prosecute those that commit these offences? Makes sense to me. Condemn a whole industry, a way of life for some, an income for the beaters, take grouse pretty much off the menu? Sorry Chris, you've lost me there...

is this the man who said we should stop looking for the cure of cancer and look after the world.

Where is the footage with the keeper setting pole traps the gym is full of it

Humans should leave nature alone they have no right to get involved

If there is evidence that protected birds have been killed , prosecute . Put up or shut up .

I don’t get why we even need to persecute birds of prey and other predators. Grouse and hen harriers as well as stoats foxes and weasels have lived side by side for thousands of years. Surely if they had a negative impact on grouse numbers grouse and other bird species would have died out a long while before we started managing moors

I saw a man speeding yesterday. I'm going to start a campaign to ban cars. That'll teach him!

Inb4 this petition takes the world by storm

Speaking from a great background of experience, the problem is not with the sport but individual gamekeepers and there practices. Why sign the petition when you can simply go after the culprit in the wrong and punish him accordingly by notifying the gun captain of the practices which occur. I've had a few run ins with sly gamekeepers, but upon seeing bad practices, I've alerted the gun captain (who is usually the man or woman running the shoot for those out there who know absolutely nothing) and it's resulted in the removal of corrupt individuals. Yes I've shot game, yes I've plucked, prepared and ate my own efforts. But I do not condone in such illegal practices, nor do I appreciate a twat standing in a field thinking he knows the half of it. These grouse he speaks of later are sold on as produce, so no meat is wasted. And the birds are only shot upon flying towards a gun.. any other kill is deemed bad sport and those individuals are usually banned from the shoot or fined. Before I have notifications flooding in of how it's inhumane, have you seen how cows are industrialised, or how farmers treat animals in confined conditions which get sold off to large supermarkets. Once you have witnessed a unit full of hens, then come at me with a valid point. Don't do a twat move like the fellow in the video and complain of a topic without showing two sides of the story or even having an individual who even shoots in the video. It's all one sided and aimed at banning a sport, when in reality we should be banning bad practice. But if I was to be put in this video, and if I was to record my venturings in certain places and the sport being fully carried out, there'd be alot of different opinions. Stop illegak traps, but don't stop a sport. Sorry of I've gone off topic ever too much, it's just annoyed me ever so slightly, seeing such hogwash in my suggested videos. Especially once I've come back from my shift :)

The RSPB cannot campaign against shooting of game birds because its Royal Charter explicitly forbids it. Just think about that for a moment,

The industry itself needs to get a grip here. There is nothing wrong with grouse shooting per se (wild game has had a FAR better life and death than the poor factory farmed chickens we eat), but it's the money involvement which drives this demand for more birds.

I was walking through the Pennines and found multiple traps such as that on walls and bridges. It's quite dangerous for walkers and if I'd known they would be in the grass I would have been more cautious to go over fields of heather. Thankfully nothing happened. I say ban them.

Be funny if he caught his fingers in the Fenn trap😂😂😂😂😂

Oh no poor birdies, i love birdies soooo muchhh please dont hurt the pooor birdies ;(((((( I think im going to cryyyyy :((((

Vastly confused by the comments here. He appears to be saying 'we set traps up that put birds in phenomenal amounts of pain, that we wouldn't wish on anyone of our loved ones, prior to them enduring a slow, miserable death, so...we probably shouldn't do that'. Why is everyone against that, as it seems relatively common-sensical? (genuinely intrigued by the way, as I have little knowledge on the subject. Are grouse evil in some way or...?)

When something like this is trending on KZfaq whilst Justin Wren and his fight for the forgotten project is relatively unknown it really makes me question our priorities as a species.

Don't blame the actions of a minority on the whole of us

I think ye'r making a big mistake pushing to have grouse shooting/managed moorelands banned. Here in Ireland, mooreland management is almost non-exist yet most of our ground nesting species (including red grouse and harrier) are in serious trouble. Our two biggest conservation success projects involving ground nesting birds involve managed land with predator control- lough Boora grey partridge and Ballybrack red grouse project

The likes of Chris Packham and his ilk of which also include Mark Avery, Bill Oddie and many more. What does their particular role involve apart from wanting all things within the countryside banned. "Chris Packam is totally driven by money, his girlfriend owns a zoo he nowadays refuses to use any binocular that supports their use for hunting or any type of fieldsports. So he will not use the likes of Zeiss, Leica or Swarovski. "Ithink he's going too far nowadays! I've been on several moors of which are shot over and the birdlife is wonderful on many of these moors. The people who say they're isn't any wildlife are either blind or don't want to admit that Grouse moors produce more wildlife than the places of refuge owned by the R.S.P.B. Also, our opponents don't provide their members w ith the details regarding the R.S.P.B on the controling foxes on their reserves."I don't suppose we'll ever see eye to eye, however, for the birdlife and various other wildlife we should unite together, not keep scoring aimless points at each other!

Traps are disgusting no matter what animal it's intended for

Game keepers contribute to creating the perfect environment for raptors and conservationists not murderers. I will not be signing the petition

whys this tending

big fan of yours since I was a kid. all the more for this. thanks Chris

Fudge packham

You got no clue

I have signed, good luck.

Without the grouseshooting, the grouse and other groundbirds, snowhares etc. are doomed. Without the incoming money from the shoots, means the end of a habitat. Who will finance these habitats, when the moneyflow from the shoots are broken down? The wildlife trust? The taxpayer? Would there be enough money then for all the moors? Maintaining this sort of habitat cost a lot of money. Money that you need to preserve the wildlife and his "natural" habitat. If you take your hands of "nature" in a man made world, you lose a lot of wildlife and habitat in that progress. Animals and plants go extinct in that way. If money can be raised for protecting deu shooting and for working year round, for maintaining the moors, what's the problem then? The red- and black grouse and a lot of other ground breeders are more scares in Europe, than foxes and other predators(exept some bird of prey of cource). If everything is according to law and if you don't only think about the shooting and your own emotions. Then you maybe realize that they do a pretty good job preserving a precious habitat and the wildlife that go along whit that. When good things happen, for the wrong or right reasons...they're still good things. At the end of the day, to preserve these precious wildlife and habitats, there must be a lot of money needed to accomplish this. (My English isn't very good, but my point is made.)

If this traps birds, surely it should be easy for me to get a girlfriend???

Hawes is in North Yorkshire not West Yorkshire …. Tool 😂

Iv just read a Botham v Packam issue on the viability of the hen harrier population, so I come to a relevant channel, (with not many views) and what do I find? More thumbs down than thumbs up! Is Packam a prat? Is he an expert on countryside matters? Was his stealth tactic to remove covoids fro the general licence beneficial to lambing ewes and song birds? I would think not, apart from being a prat of course.

if theres so many birds of prey being illegally killed why is my local grouse moor constantly being circled in the sky above with ever growing numbers of buzards

Target those doing the illegal trapping and make shoots licensed. But to call for a ban an entire sport because of this? Dumb. Oh of course, it's mostly the rich that enjoy this sport, so it should be banned just like fox hunting.

The pace brothers of the into the wilderness series and podcast are wanting a debate with you about the pros and cons of grouse shooting, why have you not responded to them Chris? Surely if you feel as passionate as you say about having it banned you wouldn't mind the publicity? Or do you fear it may sway some folk the other way?

Chris your the man! Just signed it. I had no idea anything like that still went on in the uk.

Idk it just is probably because it's something worth talking about idk

Keep fighten Chris !

At least you didnt disable the comment section Chris so at least opposing opinions can be voiced unlike most anti hunting advocates.

Anyone signing better be sure they haven't eaten a chicken sandwich from Tesco recently

just because of one driven estate why would u try and ban all of them

Got things to say, please don't hate me for it, just a practical thing, which i hate that exists; if heather moors that support red grouse aren't paid for by shooting them, what replaces the grouse moors? Red Grouse are endemic to British isles, it would cost a lot of money to manage the heather moors without shooting income, i know my stuff; worked as a gamekeeper after all, just couldn't deal with idea of looking after life just to see it being extinguished for no logical reason ( grouse and pheasant have no meat on them and taste shit!), also couldn't deal with polarised attitude from both sides when there are WAY more bigger things they could focus their attention and money on, like, er cancer? homeless people, aids, parents who cant afford school meals, loss of rural buses, etc, these people who can afford to shoot on the 12th are supposedly amongst the "1%" right? fuck them, but i will finish with this: i do shoot, but only vermin such as grey squirrels, rats, magpies, or for food such as rabbits or woodpigeon, and STRICTLY nothing else, 'sport' my arse

No!!!!!!

Maybe you try and run a grouse moor and we will se how u struggle to produce a good season if you have pests killing the animal that you spend all your time trying to manage them. You have to kill pests

don't worry Chris, they are shooting all raptors on most estates anyway.

Stronger laws and enforcement needed with appropriate long jail sentences to stop psychos from committing such a cruel crimes.

They aren’t a horrible trap when you use them right

Drunk driving is illegal, yet many more drive drunk than illegally trap. You going to campaign to make cars and driving illegal, too?

well done Chris ... definitely signing this petition.

Chris does not like animals in cages but his girlfriend has a zoo

These moors are wildlife deserts, created by overgrazing and the activity of selfish elite landlords.

I love Cwis Peckham! he's the head embellishe'r for the RSPB !!!.

trapping raptors is wrong, but grouse shooting preserves that wild unspoilt habitat. Ban grouse shooting because of isolated incidents of illegal trapping.......madness !

Can u put a link up 4 this petition Chris so we can sign it,thanks.

Shout out to the heather moorland plagioclimax

Just signed, thanks Chris, keep up the good work!

It's the weason why

Signed, this doesn't need to happen any more

Dont listen to a word this ‘man’ says

Sort your lisp out

Any form of hunting should be banned. Too many humans, not enough animals.

No need to remove the hunting I don't suppose, just remove the ability to remove the traps so It becomes harder and fizzles out naturally :)

Chris, you have not got a clue what you are talking about. Learn all the facts on both sides then try to argue properly. Thee most one sided person I think ever to be allowed to have a say on a subject you know nothing about. Answer a few questions honestly. Why do the hills that all the raptors live in look the way they do? When you find a pair of successful breading harriers, how closely have they nested to a successful grouse hill? What would happen to raptors numbers on hill ground (moorland for south of the border) if sporting estates closed the doors tomorrow? You can not except the truth. Fancy going toe to toe on actual facts............ come on.

Do you realise how many people get employment during the grouse shooting season? What you are saying, does not happen on the majority of grouse moors. You are asking people to sign/join something, these people should go to the moors first to see for themselves what one is like. If there was no grouse shooting you would not be able to walk the hill due to the heather being so high and the list could go on. Chris, do you live near any moor land?

Brofist

There are no Eagles on grouse moors? That's not strictly true as you managed to film an eagle chick being reared at the nest for Springwatch earlier in the year I believe. Unfortunately I agree a minute number of keepers do resort to such tactics but they are shunned by the industry and if caught are very unlikely to find work again.

just signed it. I hope it reached the target.

Bit edgy

Good ban it and all snares and traps of any nature trust me I will be supporting any person interested to help animals

Lol you have no subscribers

look at all that land no wildlife no nothing, Boring, wildlife should be dancing on it

You should be band

Please do not sweep the mistakes of an idiot gamekeeper under the industry as we are the ones who try our hardest to make sure rogue gamekeepers are rooted out I know that it is hard for people who do not understand country life and the ideas of field to fork these petitions are not needed we should work on other more pressing laws rather than try to meddle with what we know nothing of. There is know need to create more laws to trap ourselves in

Signed, good luck.

Signed and shared my friend ✌🏼️

BTW I will

Chris packham your awesome!!!!!