Okay you conviced me, I'm taking PEDs now

I have laughed and laughed at you saying they had the mice "workout." Imagine being a fitness professional hired by some scientists to run a WOD for mice.

As a biologist and aspiring health worker, I put a lot of emphasis on the importance of science communication to the public. This is great content and there should be more of it.

Wow! What an EXCELLENT explanation of the physiological effects of PED’s. As a Medical professional, you did an incredible job!

There's another solution... just allow it all. Just let everybody do whatever they want. Fill these gladiators to the brim with juice. Give me Overeem and Brock Lesnar each on steroids for 2 years... allow grabbing the fence... give them baseball bats.

It’s also hilariously difficult to catch someone who is thoroughly trying to avoid getting caught a second time. The masking agents and methods for getting around testing is usually a step ahead of the tests themselves.

I love when you bring scientific data and show your research for us. And I appreciate the effort, i am a Nursing student and I know this shit you brought to us is not simple to find and understand.

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Day of weigh ins would be 1000% more performance enhancing for fighters than all the PED’s.

Let 'em juice. It's amazing to watch the levels of human performance we can get to. Ain't nothin' wrong with a little liquid science. Have a natty league for people who wanna stay natty like they do on bodybuilding. Fights are a lot more interesting when people are at their peak. Give me enhanced barbarians!

There's one thing I'd add to the life time ban. A big fat bill of returned winning sums. USADA freezes blood samples for future testings. So for every win they can retrospectively declare a NC because of steroids, make the athlete repay every dollar they made that night. A life time ban prevents them from continuing with an unfair advantage, a fine like that additionally can take away everything they wrongfully earned. If Dillashaw had gotten a life time ban in 2019, he'd still have retired fairly wealthy, so cheating would still have paid off. The risk of a lifetime ban plus taking away most of an athlete's money would make cheating a risk of losing their career, good name and money. Considering how many athletes do this full time and have to rely on the earned money later in life, this could do wonders to prevent cheating.

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Congrats on your sponsor. And I agree. When it comes up PEDs, either we allow everyone to use it, or no one can and there's harsh penalties. A slap on the wrist isn't going to stop anyone.

To a certain extent, I sometimes feel like athletes should have some access to some of these drugs to aid recovery and mitigate long term damage (provided it's administered by a doctor and dosed for optimal health, not competitive advantage), but these long term benefits definitely make the issue even more complicated.

2:17 2:56 You won't return to normal 3:38 4:04 Mice experiment 5:00 Myonuclea

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Learn about PEDs in combat sports AND get relationship advice at the same time.

This is absolutely fascinating. I always thought that thr gains all go away after use discontinued

This has been well known in the bodybuilding community for decades. The standard for anyone wanting to compete at high level has always been to dope heavily and train hard for years and then scale back for a while and enter the scene. I watched this cycle from the outside for years because my gym was owned by famous body builders....there were all these people working out with them after hours who were much larger and lifting much heavier but who had never been in competition or on display publicly at all...those were the next generation, people free to juice to extreme to build. Then they scale back and lose some but nowhere near all the gains and appear in competition. It's pretty disgusting and also profoundly harmful to the atheletes who are driven to destroy their health and shorten their lives in this way.

Good stuff. Saying what ive been starting to learn. An unfortunate truth

Brotha I came to hate on cheaters, I left thinking about TRT

Agree with lifetime bans for juicers. Won’t happen because its a money game, they want the guys back on the cards.

great video, I have always thought given how hard it is to catch cheaters that the punishments should be very harsh to act as a deterrent, but if they don't even lose the effects of cheating then yeah lifetime ban makes perfect sense.

Lifetime ban is the only answer I agree.

Fantastic post. You are absolutely correct. As someone who has faced steroid abusers in competition and in training, I can add my personal subjective experience in that even after they have been "clean" they still retain massive advantages in power.

So peds are like going into the hyperbolic time chamber with a bag of sensu beans ??

Sports are just inherently unfair. I can train 7 days a week for multiple hours a day doing boxing, kickboxing, BJJ and MMA. I've been doing it since I was a little kid. Just not fair I don't need to take drugs to do that. Anytime fairness is brought up in sports it feels like a cursed problem

So, in 10-20 years, Jack Hanma might defeat Yujiro ?

I love it when you put in the effort to make a well researched videos like this! It’s *always* an educational treat! I can’t put into words how much I agree with the lifetime ban solution! Odds of it ever happening are probably rough but it’s definitely a start to dealing with the steroid problem! Especially with so much hard evidence supporting that side of the argument So I’m genuinely curious! From one nerd to another is there any chance of you ever doing a video on whether or not a fighter having a random genetic mutation like *Myostatin-related muscle hypertrophy* be a blessing or a curse??? If you ever get to read this I would LOVE to hear your thoughts on this!

This is why I argue all day that jon jones isnt the GOAT

I love the outtakes. Hilarious.

What excellent informative Content

I hate cheating. I love information. Thanks for the education.

Good job sir

my question is what were the mice doing for training? deadlifts? overhead presses ?

damn there are only good takes on this channel.

When fighters fight only once a year, is a year long suspension even a punishment?

someone should send this to Greg Doucette, MPMD and Sean Nalewanyj

muscle mice art depiction go hard

Just noticed you wear a Batamn T-Shirt in so many videos🤣

I wonder what effect increasing the number of micronuclei(sp?) has on our circulatory system's favorite muscle. (Guess I'll Google it)

and do you think the guys who are on suspension just... don't work out during that down time? Sounds like a better punishment would be to force them to fight one full weight class higher than their weight qualifies them for, and if their weight puts them at max, they can't fight at all.

Someone should gather info about athletes' results before and after their suspension for PEDs usage, so that we could see whether their performance drops, raises, or maintains the same. Of course, we'd have to assume their results were due to PEDs (specially the experience factor), if favorable, or disregard PEDs' benefits, in case their performance drops or stays the same, so I guess we'd have some [insert technical bias' name] here. But the problem, specially if the control athlete raised or maintained his performance after the suspension, is that the experience gained for more training sessions due to PEDs use is practically impossible to distinguish from the experience one would naturally get along his career progression (we can assume that any athlete would naturally be more experienced as his career progresses). We'd also have to assume that an athlete facing suspension for PEDs use wasn't using them prior to their being caught, so that it'd be a "one-time offense". I now see that this information I requested would be pretty much pointless, regardless of the results, because we can't control many important variables, and the results' interpretations all could lead to fallacies. I decided to still comment this so that others may not waste mental energy unnecessarily (also because of the sunk cost fallacy lol) Maybe the ethical solution (complementing the life-time ban) would be creating a promotion or organization company that arranged fights without any sort of testing whatsoever, ie, with free PEDs usage, so that any athlete in it would be using without consequences. It's like giving trans women their own category, instead of trying to fit them within the women's.

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I personally think most fighters are doping or taking something. I think it’s extremely difficult to recover like they do after camps & training

so it makes you a super soldier pretty much

This could be an argument against or to trans athletes who experienced puberty of the male sex first. If you think about it the commision at least coherent with their alredy exsisting shitty gudelines if they let them compite after one year of being at the female hormon level. Like you said even if all the physical advantage were out, it is not fair if somebody can train harder and more than the whole league where they will compite in the future.

Mann I would gladly trade my ability to do competitions for those lifelong benefits sign me up lmao

Yes but I think he is understating the severity of being on the shelf for two years. That can incredibly hurt a fighters marketability, ranking and ring rust will negatively affect them. Disappearing for two years can have a drastic affect on your performance. Your fighting career is a small window. Life time bans may be too harsh a punishment.

Watched a few videos before this. 3 I think…Wing Chung is wrong, three pillars of fighting, and Toxic Champ mindset. Really enjoyed them. But THIS video earned my sub. thanks for cutting through the bullshit with concise science and solutions(and also a good mindset about it to boot!) Too many complain with nothin else attached. Gg. Great content, keep it up

Great vid. Your spock to mikes Kirk.

let's instead of being the last men, become the titans of flesh and farmacology! (as Blownapart would say)

If its such a huge benefit, it sounds impossible to ban. If you cant test for it later and it has permanent positive effects, you can take it a long time before doing MMA and then just stop doing it and have a benefit nobody else has, while also never being caught.

This may explain the Casey Viator "Colorado Experiment" Arthur Jones, the creator of Nautilus equipment & training staged in the 1970s, to prove Nautilus "one set to failure on each piece of equipment" was superior to standard free weight multiple set strength/bodybuilding routines. Casey Viator was already a very experienced bodybuilder, who even though he was coming off of a prolonged layoff, juicing was certainly part of his pre-layoff regimen. That's even aside from the accusations Viator juiced like crazy during the 30 day experiment, the fact Viator was a long term roid user simply invalidates the Colorado Experiment claims as far as they applies to non-juicing, novice lifters.

Legalise steroids. It's the true only answer

What do I need to take to fix my back? I mean if there is a steroid to speed the healing, I want that.

So youre saying I should do drugs?

agreed

It's midichlorians?

is there not a case to be made for a cheaters only group? like you have in videogames. when you cheat, you get transfered to a server where only other cheaters are. or do you also find it irresponsible to let people fight like that?

Why doesn't this have more views?! What the f#&@

Cheaters will never be banned from professional sports because people pay to see phisical phenoms do crazy feats of athleticism. There's no financial benefit to banning them. We only get mad when they get caught because it breaks the illusion.

Is it odd this entire episode feels like a Yoel Romero explanation

Different leagues, Regular and Maxed. Maxed allowed drugs. Also have male, female, and a free for all league

So obviously continuous heavy use of PED's is devastating for your health but given the apparently life long benefits of using it for a limited period of time, isn't there an argument to be made that the health benefits might outweigh the negatives under controlled conditions. Im honestly wondering if our cultural views on performance enhancers might actually be preventing us from making use of something that could be extending the quality of life for the elderly.

Can you add the disadvantages of PED? Because it sounds like I'm listening to 13 minutes advertisement of how wonderful PEDs are

Man, now I really wanna do steroids!

the whole USADA game is a manipulative schtick and second level of manipulation the UFC uses to protect its golden calfs.

When I watch mma fights, almost every time I'm watching big trapezius muscles, a good indicator for steroids, because it's a muscle not easy to train and not necessary for fight. So It's obvious to me that steroids is widely used in combat sports.

"One to two year suspension" Isn't that just a recovery break in MMA? Also the true solution is to create a separate MMA league where doping is allowed. You wanna cheat well than you gotta fight someone else who cheats. And then you can separate into not just weight classes but also Drug classes.

Aaah so thats why i can put on muscle quickly right now even at 40, thanks younger me for working like a bit*h.

I fuckimg love your content

I hear most of the Russian fighters get fed them from around 13 to 18. By the time they actually complete, they are "clean" but built a frame and cardio levels fair above what is normal.

I’m down with the enhanced league. Juice em all up like cattle. Let them run into one another and explode in a beautiful display of blood and muscle. Like if youre gonna juice then you get put into that league and unless you juice alll the way or quit, youre gonna have a bad time. Honestly id rather see two roided out bulls collide than two regular bulls.

Another option is creating a league that allows it

You could also technically ban any children they have after taking PEDs lmao

I am literally in a self experiment where i take a tes booster for 30 days and now you do this vid😅 gonna upload it to youtube as soon as the results are here😏 Btw i would tag it as ads for your sake, just sayin;)

Counterpoint; legalize dr assisted steroid use cuz it’s really not that big of a deal

Rhe video was good but i think you shouldve mentioned the downsides of steroids and peds because now this just seems like an ad for peds which normal people definitely dont need

uk his idea of having a womens division and an open division? there should be "enhanced" versios of those divisons

Wait you mean people who are willing to risk grievous bodily harm in the pursuit of excellence in their sport are also willing to take drugs with negative health effects in the pursuit of excellence in their sport? Say its not so.

There's one more thing that should at least be discussed. We solely focus on the athletes when they get caught, but realistically it's not just them who cheat. Usually the whole team is involved. To stick with Dillashaw as an example, nobody can tell me that a combat sports og like Duane Ludwig did not realize TJ using. The teams know! Most gyms have a "guy" who can set you up with the stuff. So don't just punish the athletes, but the entire team. Prohibit coaches whose athletes got caught from any awards like coach of the year and ban them from cornering for a couple of years for every one of their athletes who get caught. Doping is such a systemic issue that it can't be solved with single measures. You have to punish everyone involved. But to actually do this, two things need to happen: 1. All promotions worldwide have to agree on this. If only the UFC would enforce these rules, Bellator and One would just swallow their entire roster. 2. You'd have to declare these rules a few years in advance. Right now they'd lead to the sport dying immediately. Every major gym would get banned in a couple of months. So clean up the sport for the future. Every caught cheater from 2030 on will lead to a life time ban for the athlete, a permanent disqualification for the coach and team for any awards and a 2 year ban of the coaches cornering. That way they could start right now to clean up house, kick out the fixers and make sure their new prospects stay clean. It would lead to a lot of sudden early retirements in 2030, but this could actually do something to clean up the sport.

could they do like a cheaters league in csgo if you cheat they lower your trust factor so you just play against other cheaters it would kinda be like weight classes idk maybe a bad idea but watching 2 super roided out dudes duke it out could be fun. though if they can get perma banned from the drug doing league they might cheat to have an advantage in one then go onto the other a okay so yeah

so muscle memory...

Are PEDs bad for your health tho? Pretty sure i heard something like that

I agreed with everything you said until you ended with "lifetime ban". The actual solution is stop testing. Testing for steroids and banning people is stupid. Athletes should be allowed to take whatever the fuck they wanna take.

There's so many sus fighters in the UFC. Usman, Romero (formerly UFC anyway), Chandler, etc. As a natural lifter, I know how hard it is to put on lean mass, once the newbie gains end, you're gaining like 1-2 lbs a year and that's with diligent and consistent work. You mean to tell me these guys are doing 6-8 hour sessions, working as hard as they can and aren't losing their gains? They're expending so much energy and yet remain so lean and bulky, it's just BS overall, and a lot of them don't pass the smell test. The Diaz bros are some of the only clean ones in the sport. Most of the Brazilian roster has been getting away with it for some time, too. Paulo Costa is openly joking around about his "secret juice," but the More Plates More Dates video on his "progress" is highly indicative of someone who's been using PEDs.

Why not just allow everyone to use PEDs?

Guess this would also be true for males who transition to compete in womens sports. Initial advantage remains

LET’S GET CHECKED! Then get offered testosterone 🙄

or just move all of them to a "doped" category, just saying hahhaha

Lets get checked #No news is good news. Well done on your sponsors, back to the case in hand. Sure Life time ban seems harsh but it is fair and should be the case with the door opening to the Range of Steroid Sports. If you can think of it, there should be a steroid version, Powerlifting, Sprinting, MMA ect Badmington even because those that get caught are going to be glad not to feel that they can no longer be competitive in their passion just because they would "cheat" to win"... so yeah we can open a door on a whole new arena maybe get the 100M under 9.27 maybe find a key to having Hysterical strength on tap all the while keeping the integrity of the Pure blood games. Side note Pure Bloods will be able to compete against chemically enhanced with the grace and for the glory of God. Cheers from your heavenly brother Charles Ososami 1 Peace

I am kind of surprised you didn’t talk about male to female trans athletes… Because it amounts to the same thing as taking steroids and should be treated the same way…

I love your video but bro one other option does exist ,its simply not testing for drugs , yes you might have guys dying at 50 like in bodybuilding ,but its a risk many are willing to take.

Watching the inevitable decline of anyone who uses drugs of any kind is disturbing.

"steroid mouse and natural mouse worked out for six days" - is this video a joke ?

I could think of another solution. A steroid class. Only former steroid users allowed

jon jones punching the air right now lol