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Shared skills through items shouldn't only be for teleport. The more options each class has, the better. In D2, if you were a Sorceress putting all of your skills into a single damage type, you could pick up a Lower Resist curse wand to help with damage. A Necromancer could get the Beast runeword to gain the Fanaticism aura to buff summons or a Barb could use Beast to gain Werebear for some extra tankiness. Blizz needs to everything they can to increase build variety.

We need to make the PVP community huge in D4 in order to get a large enough voice to push for changes, but we need those changes in order to make PVP huge. A bit of a catch-22 situation.

Coooley! I got to agree on the playthrough, i kept myself in an information void before it and i didn't regret it for a second, went through watching all the cinematics n stuff, and i loved it! :) Now it's time to see what else is fun. thanks for the upload.

Great video! Certainly, the high damage numbers and the amount of cc needs to be looked at

I love the damage cap suggestion for pvp. I love pvp and would like to see them balance it properly.

Alls you gotta do is raise that dmg reduction up the life totals and damage of monsters They can do it... lost ark does it... the cc chaining is rough but landing a cc chain feels amazing When you enter the fields of hatred your paragon system could be inactive or have a separate pvp paragon and then the stats in pve don't effect the pvp board

If every class has the same or very similar mobility, damage, or cc, wouldn't the characters lose much of their distinctiveness? If possible it's better to balance things while keeping e.g. their mobility different to keep the classes distinct. I also love the cinematics and the visuals of the game.

Instead of teleport, when you enter pvp zones, either you get like 5 charges of evade or it has no cooldown. Something like that is what i was thinkin about

Coooley is the best in the biz at transitions into sponsor reads, and it’s not even close.

As an optometrist, your part of GMG-glasses are hilarious. What you need is a bit of dioptres infront of your eyes to relax accommodation, which could be a pair of reading glasses. The blue filter has little to no shown beneficial effects in studies. I love your content though. :)

I also honestly hate not having any bar swaps or hot keys aside from the standard 6. If I have other abilities available, I should be able to use them in conjunction.

What’s that red trap at 5:00?

Just adjust the damage scaling (from a flat 92%) to scale with character level (perhaps 99% reduced at level 90?)

Reminds me of the shock trap in the division darkzone pvp. Totally wrecked it.

They do plan on adding runewords back in eventually, so mobility rune words available on boots from teleports to simple things like high movement speed on dodge with faster cool down on dodge could help add to other classes mobility.

The real problem is sanctuary should be a place where the hero can also choose to be the villian. Having multiple storylines would provide thousands of hours of game play.

I want Spirit pots!. The skill generated spirit system pisses me off. I think a system where you have four spirit pots like your health would be so much more enjoyable in my opinion. D2 reigns supreme when it comes to health and mana control.

I don’t know how well this would work but they could also try what riot games does in Aram. 20% dmg reduction to other players or 10% damage reduced on ww. Etc etc.

I liked the game so far (just hit 50) and I feel like some people dont realise how builds in this game work. As for pvp balancing I feel hopeful but not great so far. I think getting a purely pvp area (arena or battleground or something of that nature) will help in balancing. Adding a teleport would be solution if it meant losing a skill slot or just adding teleport in pvp for every class as an extra skill (like the dash or mount)

Just get rid of the damage amplifiers for pvp and make a 5 sec run option with 5-7 sec cooldown.

A lot of games split functionality of skills in pvp now. Not a huge fan of that but it might be the only way for a game that was designed with pvp as an afterthought. Keep fighting the good fight, Cooley.

problem with teleport and pvp in D4 is you got both pc and console. console doesn't have a mouse to accurately teleport somewhere. but having said that, i think enigma type item would be awesome, especially if runewords are implemented in d4

I think the PvP is going to be tough in this game. My buddy and I hit 50 last night, headed out to Fields of Hatred, and got pooped on by a 66 and 62 rogue. We lasted maybe 4 or 5 seconds

After playing Rogue, other classes do feel a lot less mobile. Although I don't normally pvp I did a bit rogue v rogue and had fun. Loving the game so far

Glad you got the glasses! I can't find my old comment but I suggested em while back! They're amazing. I use em everywhere actually. It kinda tints the outside world during sunny days, helps when all the lights are flashing during my DJ sets. They're ... amazing. GMG 4 life :P

Hi great content! Is there any way to review the cutscenes in game? Did Blizz just forget to implement the cinematics feature?

I love the pvp but you got level 80 players decked out in ancestral uniques coming to nightmare to farm lower level players. I wish we had duel/team matchmaking in an arena like BDO. Also wouldnt hurt to have like 1-2 more skill slots

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i really didnt expect this kinda positivity out of you sir! havent played it. might now

As someone who PvPs in every other game I play It would be nice if they balanced it, but I'm pretty sure the D4 devs have already said PvP is what it is and they have no plans to balance it or anything, it's put in as a sort of "no man's land" and isn't meant to be competitive. I'm not sure exactly what the statement was since it was a while ago now but that's what I took away from what was said.

Yah I agree, that first playthrough was awesome, I really enjoyed the cut scenes. The rest of the game I'm already board and done with.

Btw Ibuprofen is mostly harder on your kidneys but still mild. Tylenol is incredibly hard on the liver, and also the number one cause of cirrhosis world wide.

I think the video title should be "the problems with PvP Diablo 4" Not much is said about the PvE aspect of the game, which also has it's issues.

It's like everyone forgot DAoC pvp and only remember modern soft pvp...

I think that if game developpers decide to implement pvp in their game even when a big part of you player base don't rly care, you should at least work towards making it balanced and fun for those who wants to do it.

Mannn, just yesterday I was haven a good time on my lv 70 in the fields, most people are 65-75 so it felt pretty okay... Then a level 100 rolls through and your only option is to leave...

Love the content ❤

In regards to damage, they could just buff hp into hundreds of millions as well.

Here 7 months later, was curious about your thoughts on D4 pvp, I agree wholeheartedly with your balance outlook. I am part of the small but thriving PvP community that still exists to this very day within the Fields of Hatred. Believe it or not, Necromancer still has a hard time keeping up with the other classes. Season 1 was definitely still Poison Rogue and Barbarian dominated, but never sleep on sorcerer. Season 2, the Ball Lightning sorcerer is the clear #1, with Barbarian a close second with both Thorns and Bleed variants super deadly. With the advent of season 2, Blizzard reworked/nerfed the Poison Rogue's hidden damage multipliers, and changed various other ways damage is calculated in the game. But surprisingly, for the most-part, the same hidden caps are still being used inside the Fields. 7200 armor will net you the same as 9200 armor, despite what the tooltip says. Crit damage is mostly capped at 250%. Stats you would think would work really well, and do in PvE, like Damage to Close, are a trap in the Fields, doing next to nothing for damage enhancement vs players. Thanks to people who have taken it upon themselves to devote the time and energy and spreadsheets into testing all these interactions, most of the information for what works and doesn't has been documented. That being said, PvP has still been a mess as far as true balance is concerned, with many bugs affecting all classes and simply broken seasonal mechanics like Barbarian 10% chance for thorns to explode for x300% damage, Rogue 23 Combo Points Million Arrow Rapid Fire, there are always gonna be builds that are just simply broken and whoever uses them either enjoys the cheap thrill of domination but alas that feeling is fleeting especially when clearly taking advantage of bugs or Developer whoopsies. I'm not going to bore you with many more details, this message is already getting way too long. I just wanted to say that PvP is very much still a thing in D4, whether or not the Developers actually develop anything for it or not. And the fights are still just as exhilarating. I feel bad that you chose such a lackluster PvP class such as necromancer and had that decision affect your outlook on the whole situation. There is only ONE necromance PvP build that is actally capable of doing much of anything against other players, and that is coined by my clanmate and friend Lord Saura. It's a neat build, that centers around decrepify's lucky hit based cooldown reduction capabilities, which is capable of making the ultimate skill Blood Wave, which usually has a CD of 60s, spammable. That, combined with an aspect that changes blood wave into a shadow skill that does shadow dot to anyone in it's wake, the basic skill Decompose, corpse explosion mianma pools, corpse tendrils and blood mist. Check out his videos, he is a master at his craft no doubt about it and it's truly a sight to see. We all have high hopes for PvP in season 3, and it's coming fast (January 23rd, 2024). So, if you wanted to give D4 PvP another shot, your opportunity to be on a level playing field is coming very soon. Did I mention there are weekly tournaments during the seasons? These are all 1v1, single elimination, with special end-of-season Championships held every season, ranking system in place based on participation and w/l, top 16 fighters from each season are allowed to participate in the Championships. 3 tournaments a week, at 7:30PM east/4:30PM west- Thursday-No rules single elim 1v1, Friday-single elim 1v1 with restrictions put in place in the spirit of balance determined by the community itself, and saturday-friday rules with Team 4v4's. These tournaments are streamed live on twitch by a super cool dude named Reef Johnson. He is really the reason we can even say we have a PvP community in this game and for that I am super grateful. We grow larger every season, and hopefully one day blizzard will show us some love. Hey, come join us, we will help you out however we can if you wish to become a D4 PvP degen just like you are in D2. It really is super technical and it gets less and less class dependent as the game goes on. But.. next time, just roll sorc and you will have a much better time. Sorry for the novel! I hope it was worth the read to you, and I appreciate your time if you did just that. Stay Cool, Coooley! your d4 bro, CharMiLLi0n

Playing druid vs barb and rogue in pvp has felt so awful.

damage cap can be the solution. or they can take a page or two off of how moba's have been doing it.

imo they should rebalance the fields of hatred by having entirely separate gear that is more carefully balanced and has it's own progression for that region, as well as having a damage cap or different damage scaling entirely in the fields of hatred.

6.40 that tick is not whirlwind. It's upheaval...

Eventually they could limit the legendary effects you can have active on your equipment. I don't know I mean I picked the Rouge for my first play through. But not because I had this in mind. But I already had a lot of fun with the class in the open beta. But I play a range build and I skilled completely fir myself not using a single guide. But in the end even then I made so much damage. I mean my highest dungeon was a lvl 12 dungeon until now but I had no problems at all. I was even able to stand in a lot if ae. Only if I get surrounded by a lot of enemies with 3 to 5 elites with crazy powers I had to do something. But I have a good time with a game. But yes it need some more balancing. But I think they will get it in the next months. In the end im not interested in pvp but who knows. Eventually when I try I like it.

For the Necro class it’s a bit worse. Because in D3, we had Blood Rush. The Necro teleport skill. Necro are the slowest moment class in D4. Coupled with weak, stupid summons... to boost engagement. Because with so many minions, the player must have a sense of peril or the game becomes uninteresting. So. They took away the mobility skill. Partly to fit the game on consoles. The Blizz folks who learned the hard way that players hate nerfs (boost the others instead) have retired and/or gone to their own graves... or new positions elsewhere. Lessons learned became unlearned. They even lost the D2 source code. Who loses source code? (As a computer professional, I made sure to capture and adequate backup code, executables and documentation. I also ported software too.) Necro needs 3 things: mobility. Summon persistence improved. Summons direction. I have those things on Titan Quest. It’s over 10 years old, and still gets expansions. We need a remaster of that to force Blizz’ hands to improve their products.

Can't believe Cooley's still at ~50k subs despite often receiving 100k views on videos, what the fuck. He, if any Diablo creator, deserves a cult-like follower base

For me the problem for pvp in d4 is just the sheer fact that it exists to begin with and with no separate servers. A buddy and I went through a pvp zone to just passby and get to my next objective outside of the zone and this one jackass kept killing us wasting so much time and it was clear and obvious that we had nothing on us nor was even trying to even fight. So what blizzard should do is simply create a server dedicated to pvp because then those who don't like pvp don't have deal with it and if the devs wants to nerf/buff anything they can without worrying about the regular content being effected.

Love the game so far. My only thing is that classes don't feel true to their OG self. But that's just a me thing.

my only problem with it is that there's no tyrael, and did we just forget about the D3 Nephilim?

You never fail to make me laugh. Thank you.

Agreed on the story! They did a great job.

Didn’t WoW try a % of damage approach for PVP in some expansion / season?

You look really great with the glasses!

Nice glasses, Cooley!

I don't know if you saw the D4 Live community questions, but they were asked directly about PVP and balance. They basically said that hey we will have PVP for anyone who wants to play but we don't intend to focus on balance for PVP. Looks like they are going to focus their energy on PVE, seasons and additional content. I do think a lot of your concerns make sense though. I think some of the choices they made is wierd, just for me a bunch of small gripes. Not being able to use horse speed in town, not being able to reset dungeons like you could in beta, now you just wait?... Its almost like they want you to just waste some time lol.. Minor, but a lot of these minor things are annoying, overall though I'm enjoying game.

I can see i should had rolled sorc and not necro 😅 guess i go for it in s1

While certain classes may benefit from additional mobility, I really disagree that giving all classes tons of mobility should be the answer. A better approach is just to balance around identity. If sorc identity is CC and mobility, thats great, but limit their global defenses or damage. If necro has limited mobility, give them more immunes or mega spike damage etc. If rogue identity is burst damage and mobility, limit their defensive options or give them longer cooldowns for their main rotation. If barbs are the chad identity, give them high sustain and runspeed at the expense of limited CC or instant mobility. etc etc. Otherwise its just like the enigma problem, where everything becomes a similar playstyle without class identity, IMO. In general mobility and CC are "king" in pvp, but you could easily build counter builds that abuse unstoppable states and timed burst with the right balancing/mechanics. I hope Blizzard gives pvp the attention it deserves if we are vocal enough about it.

Yess add enigma and runewords! pog!

Bro the glass merch was awsome lol

Thanks for PVP Content

That's a great suggestion. They Should at least do the damage cap thing right now as a bandaid for this situation before PvP dies.

What about hardcore players?

Druid is on fire at the drop of this game.

Make skills hit players based on its (skill) based damage(which increases depending on the lvl of the skill), would only have multipliers if the other player is vulnerable, add a stun gauge for the players (only in pvp) now it plays like a pseudo fighting game. I’d play that shit all day ngl.

Would be nice if there was different zones for different lvls so im not getting one shot by people 15-30 levels higher than me.

From what we see in this footage, PVP in D4 is not heading in the right direction at all lol. Same shit as D3 where u enter a zone and get 1 or 2 shot. Indeed they did put crazy dmg multiplyers everywhere on stuffs, making it impossible to control dmg output for the devs. Damn it

I hated enigma , pre new rune wars Diablo 2 was my jam, it’s unbalanced like Diablo 2 was but it’s good , like daycwhere you either rolled zon or sorc/ charge pally for pvp , Cooley do you remember the charged bolt bug days by the way?

TO LVL 50 AS BARBARIAN I WAS STRUGGLING ON FIELDS. BUT AFTER LVL 60 MY THORNS OUTPUT WENT UP, AND IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW HARD YOU HIT - EVERYONE DIES XD

That’s quality right there

I would categorize PvP into the ''endgame'' part of any ARPG - Is it necessary? No. But it does make the ''endgame'' just better overall. You have another goal to grind towards instead of killing a strong monster or boss faster then before.

Agreed mobility and CC are the two main issues with the game hands down!

Immunity and unstoppable from flame barrier makes a sorcerer move faster 🤷🏼‍♂️

That drug bit had me on the floor. 😂

Dude, I had no idea what a pvp area is so i walked in and out of no where a level 90 character kills me(level 55) -_-. I'll never go anywhere near there again

Aspects of a game that let players have creative freedom is always what gives the game longevity. In Diablo that is build-diversity, and it is more relevant in PvP than PvE

PvP is the true endgame.

Imagine being a Diablo KZfaqr and skipping cutscenes LEL. That aside, thanks booboo. I'll grab this on sale.

I thought he was gonna talk actual game issues, not just pvp 😂 I got baited lol

Now we're making comments about whether in game monetization is "healthy" instead of bullshit.

Ok we're not going to act like D2 PvP is balanced vs D4 lol... Most classes are 1 hit kills, plenty of mobility issues.

I think once they get a handle on class balancing with the game as it is now something like the Rune Word system from d2 would be a welcome addition.

Coooley, for the love of God. I love you man, but put that light at your 10 or 2 o'clock instead of right where the camera is, because we can't see your eyes through all these reflections and from the monitor too...

Why the devs have chosen not to give every class a movement skill is ridiculous...

will you be back to d2 in 6 months - a year... that is the d4 question.

You need some kind of TvT arena with ranking. Or a kind of system like Diablo Immortal. Yes it’s pay to win as fk, but at it’s core is a really good pvp system with the immortal vs shadows

I quit pvp after me and my brother me a necro and my brother a rogue came across an enemy rogue who was equal level and folded both of us in seconds

i absolutely don't care about d4, i stay on d2r who is just perfect for me

lore... lorath... ingenious!!

They need to fix the cross platform desync it’s absolutely disgusting, I lose 1v3 90% because of that

this is what i was waiting for. still havent bought the game lol.

The real problem is, it doesnt have enigma

Blizzard has never had a balance pvp system in any of their games why would this be any different.

In diablo 4 we got shug knight

Hmm. I think; PvP dmg/sec cap should be 22% of the targets max HP. PvP should remove stuns and roots. Reduce the impact of normal slows (move, atk, cast, etc.) to a smaller number and make root-effects reduce speed to where people are crawling or sidestepping. Stunning-effects should include the new root-effect and reduce atk, cast, etc. speeds to a minimum value. Have the higher% slows use a diminishing returns formula that inches towards the new stun/root rate. PvP zones should also reduce the HP/MP recovery potion rate to a lower value but not remove it entirely, make 10% of the user's max HP per second? ~~Also, and this is a big one, make it so people cannot auto-target players by click-and-hold stuff. It's important to force people using high-damage single-target skills to have to aim at their targets. Merely clicking on the other side of the player should add some variable to missing (like veering to the right or left of the path slightly because you didn't aim specifically at the target? or how D2 could click with attack to hit nearby enemies, that should include a relatively high non-reducible miss chance, say 30%?) -Then again, I didn't get D4 so I don't know the specifics as to how aiming works.

The only problem of this game for me is its Internet Required... Sadly for consoles its internet required as well.

I think disabling paragon and giving a hefty damage reduction against other players would work fine

The best part about d4 pvp is playing on my level 77 getting rocked by level 100s… its so enjoyable yall have no idea

I don't know how it could happen but I'd love to see PvP with an actual mode like 5v5 or a League like tower PvP that starts you off with low power abilities and as you kill mobs and such grows. I know it's easier said than done but it'd be cool to see and I bet Blizzard could have found the balance if they really wanted to

I agree, pvp is important for Diablo. Many of the people I've spoken to about D3 stated how disappointed they were that there was no pvp.