The REAL Solution to Racism (You've Been Lied To)

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In this episode of Honest Discourse, we explore racism and opposing perspectives on addressing the issue. At the heart of this discussion is a debate over racism's history, its present impact, and the hope for a solution. Watch as our conversationalists share their stories, respectfully challenge each other's viewpoints, and intentionally seek to understand each other.
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0:00 - Introduction.
9:08 - All human beings are made in the image of God.
21:32 - There is only one race.
32:07 - There is an unbalanced distribution of power, wealth, and education that is racially motivated.
42:10 - It is possible to be unconsciously racist.
48:24 - Individuals and organizations do not need to make reparations for events in the past that they were not a part of.
1:01:29 - Preconceptions that favor whiteness are the bedrock of western society and its institutions.
1:14:33 - CRT is a positive resource for confronting racism.
1:29:02 - There is a solution to ending racism.
1:35:11 - Final thoughts?

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@honestdiscourse 20 күн бұрын

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@StumblingThroughItAll 20 күн бұрын

My child's elementary school began training teachers in Critical Race Theory and Critical Pedagogy in 2020. Training materials include a definition of Whiteness as a combination of "Oppression, White Privilege, White Fragility, and Color Blindness". DiAngelo and Kendi were two of the 6 people who's material was used in the training and for classroom educational materials. One of the others was Ijeoma Oluo who starts out her "training" talk by giving a rundown of the most stereotypical tropes as to what it means to be "black" and goes on to posit that "people of color are generous to talk to white people." It was all so ideological, one-sided, and crude stereotyping. Giving teachers a "training" oversimplistic overview of this material and then encouraging them to take DiAngelo/Kendi/Oluoian concepts into my daughter's 1st grade classroom is a recipe for disaster, IMO.

@TheDangerous123dan Күн бұрын

If you don't mind me asking, what Stare is this? What school district is this? I'm in California and haven't heard of elementary schools using this material. But I'm going to research it. I have a grandson that we have always sent to private Christian schools. But I'm curious. How did or how are you handling the situation? Did you confront the school, remove your kids etc? We had a situation in the private school, it wasn't Christian, we immediately took our grandson out.

@StumblingThroughItAll Күн бұрын

@@TheDangerous123dan Colorado. Denver Public Schools. We ended up pulling our children after school administration and the school board made it clear that they were going to put the pedal to the metal.

@TheDangerous123dan Күн бұрын

@@StumblingThroughItAll Good to hear. We have to protect our children at all costs. Thanks for sharing. 💯🙏🏾

@rebeccaong5893 21 күн бұрын

CRT is an issue that I am less familiar with, and this conversation has given me a lot to think about from both sides. Thank you to both men for taking the time to come and represent your views! May Christians obey God's will and commands in our approaches to CRT and every other contemporary issue!

@TheDangerous123dan Күн бұрын

I have to agree with Garrison that, crt's definition has been, imo, intentionally expanded to include things that are not actually crt. I believe it's been demonized for divisive political purposes. Personally, I don't have any use for crt, I'm sola scriptura but I'm also about honesty and integrity in what we do as Christians. I follow, both, Samuel and Garrison. Garrison for his historical content and Samuel because he's a brother in Christ and I like an agree with a lot of his writings. I'll be praying for Garrison that he'll return to the faith.

@hunterseufert8066 19 күн бұрын

Incredibly productive discussion, of course I still think CRT is incoherent, but this was the best attempt I've seen yet.

@gotrac8121 4 күн бұрын

Well crt was written from lawyers and was kinda meant to stay in that context, so it's not a wonder you find it incoherent

@hunterseufert8066 4 күн бұрын

@@gotrac8121 Is that CRT as a whole? I know that to be true of intersectionality. I thought CRT was more of a 'social studies' field.

@zacharys8090 29 күн бұрын

Looking forward to this!

@mikeashleigh777 21 күн бұрын

Samuel is spot on. Way to uphold the Truth brother.

@sofvines3940 19 күн бұрын

Brilliant 👏! Thank you gentlemen!

@BeanMacdui 21 күн бұрын

Samuel is very grounded and has had a more life experience from growing up in Ghana, moving to Canada and now happily married and living in Ohio. He has experienced a wide variety of the human condition and he speaks from a place of wisdom born of real experiences. The other guy, while well meaning, just doesn’t seem very deep. When I listen to him talk, all I hear is a bunch of words stringed together and, as the coined phrase goes, it sounds like word salad. Things like, ‘having difficult conversations’, the average American is trying to put food on the table and working hard and raising kids etc. they don’t have all this free time to think about themselves much less than anything else! The guy seems to want to remain in this racism loop, maybe because it is still lucrative? We need more Samuels in this world!! ❤

@MotekiEZ 19 күн бұрын

I read a great sense of bias and unfair assumptions here.

@gotrac8121 4 күн бұрын

Just in that same vein you could say One doesn't have as much experience living in America as The other and only wants to live in subjectivety. Try to be mindful, it'll bite you

@rikitawimberly775 13 күн бұрын

1:05:17 "God's grace in what the West has done for black people" 🙄 That statement is incredibly short sighted and tone deaf.. The following explanation also uses a super minority immigrant experience and tries to apply it to black Americans at large which is a comparison that can't be made as Garrison pointed out previously.

@Engrave.Danger 19 күн бұрын

Samuel, I just wanna speak to your story of the girl in the tunnel from your final thought. Any big man that has the potential to overpower a woman gets the exact same response. It's a reasonable case of sexism imo. There are likely to be a few exceptions as far as attire and presentation go but I'd be willing to bet a large black woman wouldn't have received the same reaction. Mind you, there'd be a few exceptions to that as well. ✌️

@lolivingston6827 16 күн бұрын

Can you pin me a story of a large asian man having the cops called on him for simply walking or entering a building? Ill take just one story 😊

@Engrave.Danger 16 күн бұрын

@@lolivingston6827 the average height of Asian men is just under 5'8". What kind of large are we talkin' about here?

@lolivingston6827 16 күн бұрын

@@Engrave.Danger I always find these false delimmas so hypocritical. It's usually when a person wants to feel less guilty or they are hiding the real issue. So they make up something because.... What's your reason again? 🤔

@Engrave.Danger 16 күн бұрын

@@lolivingston6827 you act as though I'm saying no one on the planet ever has racist thoughts or behavior. I have an interest in sociology and I've seen the way abuse victims can behave. It doesn't take much to make certain women uncomfortable and if you've never observed that, it might just be your neighborhood or culture. For all I know you haven't spent much time outside, which is sadly not that uncommon anymore. A recent internet trend asked women if they'd rather be alone in the woods with a man or a bear and many of them say a bear. I was nearly killed one night by a couple of men and it certainly has me more alert and ready to defend myself. It was hard to be in crowds for a while or have any strangers behind me. Everything isn't always about race. Even men will increase their pace, cross the road or try to appear taller and stronger when in a potentially vulnerable situation.

@lolivingston6827 16 күн бұрын

@@Engrave.Danger Ironically black men "ethnologically"(As sociology isn't what you're describing lol)have been more a victim to White people in total than white women to ANY group of men. White women are the most protected class in the world. Sadly, this isn't up for debate. This is proven data. IE. Stats on IRIPV/Police brutality/IRSA/any violence, really. So I do understand your need to self-victimize, which is a common amongst 2nd wave feminist. But your strawman fallacy is illogical. I don't care about your "social media" trend examples. That's usually for the uneducated and low of IQ. Im speaking "ethnologically"(Again. Let's please use the correct terminology, lol) in which i Minored. Which is also a science and can be tracked 😀 But hey, I'm sure there's a GED recipient in the comments like yourself that will take the bait on your fallacies. And since you are an enthusiast of social dynamics. I'm sure you are familiar with the fact that sexism and racism are not parallel, lol. Before we continue. Are you familiar with that fact? This is basic "Ethnology," btw 😀

@sofvines3940 19 күн бұрын

Is there a difference between white and Caucasian?

@Philoglossos 19 күн бұрын

Yes and no. 'Caucasian' can either be a geographical term, referring to people from the Caucasus (Armenians, Georgians, Azeris, Ossetians, Circassians, Chechens), or it can be a term stemming from 19th century racial pseudoscience, according to which the Caucasus were the origin of a unified 'white race' biologically distinct from other races. 'White' describes more or less this same idea, but it's a better term, because it's clear that it's just an arbitrary descriptor, and not a term with any concrete scientific/biological/historical meaning.

@sofvines3940 18 күн бұрын

@@Philoglossos I suppose I'm asking more along the lines of if you identify yourself (or someone identified you) as white, that would be "the political" white, whereas if the term used was "Caucasian" would it carry the same implications?

@Philoglossos 18 күн бұрын

@@sofvines3940 I would still say it depends. Sometimes people use the term 'caucasian' and they consciously mean 'politically white'. Other times people use the term 'caucasian', and while what they are describing is political whiteness, they believe at some level that they are actually talking about an objective, biologically group of inherently 'white' people. But sometimes people using the term 'white' also mean this. So essentially I'd say that the term 'white' lends itself to describing the actually existing phenomenon, but is still often used by people who believe in nonexistent biological whiteness, while 'caucasian' is the inverse.

@EMPOR5615 Күн бұрын

I would say , white is usually connected to a class here in America while caucasian usually implies being European. Like in America if you were Arab you could classify as white here in America not sure if that has changed.

@davidnguyen7891 19 күн бұрын

We are all one human race, but white people have divided us into different colors, and that can no longer be ignored or reversed. The social creation of different races by white people has caused a lot of damage to a lot of ethnic groups, that we can no longer just say race is not a thing. It is now embedded into society and we should accept people for who they are. If I break someone’s leg, that person is now a disabled person and their life has now changed because i made them disabled. I now live in a world where able-bodied people and disabled people co-exist. That means I have to create wheelchair ramps and elevators to accommodate, because of what I did to that person. I can’t just say, “why are we dividing people up into disabled people and able-bodied people? We are all one human race.”

@Engrave.Danger 16 күн бұрын

@@davidnguyen7891 I agree with your final sentence. Can I ask what's your basis for claiming that white people divided us into different races?

@gotrac8121 4 күн бұрын

@@Engrave.Dangeralot of our racial codes came from people who we'd now consider white

@lolivingston6827 16 күн бұрын

No matter if CRT is tsught or not. If the person listening to it already has a bias. The information will fall on deaf ears. Same for religion. ANY form ot philosophy. We need love and the people who have the power to give it have ZERO amount of love and compassion in their hearts.

@Engrave.Danger 16 күн бұрын

@@lolivingston6827 does any love and compassion manage to make its way past your prejudice? You had a rude response to my respectful comment to Samuel, so I figured I'd reciprocate and question your motives. What are they exactly?

@lolivingston6827 16 күн бұрын

@@Engrave.Danger Actually, your initial comment was dismissive and soaked in wtehi privilege. Attempting to gaslight me now into thinking I'M the "badguy" will simply not work here. Now, if you'd like to start over. I'd gladly TEACH you about "ethnology" like one of my students.🙂

@Engrave.Danger 16 күн бұрын

@@lolivingston6827 so no then. Best of luck with that.

@lolivingston6827 16 күн бұрын

@@Engrave.Danger And best of luck tying your velcro shoes 🙂👍🏾