Samuel is so colonized it’s sad soon as he said he had a yt wife I knew it was going to be bs not because he has a yt wife but because he mentioned it he think he loves god but he loves yt people so much he’ll put there book they gave him before critical thinking

1:05:17 "God's grace in what the West has done for black people" 🙄 That statement is incredibly short sighted and tone deaf.. The following explanation also uses a super minority immigrant experience and tries to apply it to black Americans at large which is a comparison that can't be made as Garrison pointed out previously.

One needs to understand the crux of racism, we only understand the " symptoms " of Racism...

No matter if CRT is tsught or not. If the person listening to it already has a bias. The information will fall on deaf ears. Same for religion. ANY form ot philosophy. We need love and the people who have the power to give it have ZERO amount of love and compassion in their hearts.

Critical race theory does address fatherlessness in black communities. Critical race theory acknowledges the fact that the American government implementation of the drug war disproportionately incarcerated adult black males during the 80s, 90s, and 2000s even though white people consume drugs at the same rate as black people.

We are all one human race, but white people have divided us into different colors, and that can no longer be ignored or reversed. The social creation of different races by white people has caused a lot of damage to a lot of ethnic groups, that we can no longer just say race is not a thing. It is now embedded into society and we should accept people for who they are. If I break someone’s leg, that person is now a disabled person and their life has now changed because i made them disabled. I now live in a world where able-bodied people and disabled people co-exist. That means I have to create wheelchair ramps and elevators to accommodate, because of what I did to that person. I can’t just say, “why are we dividing people up into disabled people and able-bodied people? We are all one human race.”

Incredibly productive discussion, of course I still think CRT is incoherent, but this was the best attempt I've seen yet.

Samuel, I just wanna speak to your story of the girl in the tunnel from your final thought. Any big man that has the potential to overpower a woman gets the exact same response. It's a reasonable case of sexism imo. There are likely to be a few exceptions as far as attire and presentation go but I'd be willing to bet a large black woman wouldn't have received the same reaction. Mind you, there'd be a few exceptions to that as well. ✌️

Brilliant 👏! Thank you gentlemen!

Is there a difference between white and Caucasian?

One of my concerns with many pro-CRT'ers is that they make three assumptions: 1. Reification of race is necessary for fighting racism. It is actually through the crude oversimplification of racial differentiation (which I find all CRT'ers to eventually fall into) that racism is birthed. Frederick Douglass warned of this in his final speeches. Even during the height of slavery in the US, a poor southern white man and a poor southern black slave had far more in common than the poor white man had with the wealthy slaveholders. CRT seems to necessitate a view of 2. Power is always evil. As Christians we are to pay close attention to the marginalized in society, but we also are required to hold the marginalized and the powerful to the same standards. I think of the parable of the unforgiving servant in Matthew 18. Those with power can use it for good and for evil. Those without as much power still can use what little they have to pursue evil or good. Every single one of us is deeply affected by sin. Square one of Christianity is the understanding that I have been forgiven much and am now called to the task of forgiveness and reconciliation. 3. It assumes that existing structures are all rotten through and through with racism. I find that the likes of Frederick Douglass and MLK would not have agreed. They explicitly relied on the ideals and institutions of the USA experiment as their greatest weapons in the fight against slavery and explicit racial discrimination. Frederick Douglas changed his mind from assuming the US Constitution to be a document supporting racial chattel slavery to being a document that did nothing of the sort and was instead a "glorious liberty document" which could be wielded with great effect in the fight for abolition. Similarly, MLK leaned into the ideals and promise laid out in the Declaration of Independance and Constitution as a potent weapon. The seemingly consistent pessimism of many in the CRT camp seems so counter productive to me.

My child's elementary school began training teachers in Critical Race Theory and Critical Pedagogy in 2020. Training materials include a definition of Whiteness as a combination of "Oppression, White Privilege, White Fragility, and Color Blindness". DiAngelo and Kendi were two of the 6 people who's material was used in the training and for classroom educational materials. One of the others was Ijeoma Oluo who starts out her "training" talk by giving a rundown of the most stereotypical tropes as to what it means to be "black" and goes on to posit that "people of color are generous to talk to white people." It was all so ideological, one-sided, and crude stereotyping. Giving teachers a "training" oversimplistic overview of this material and then encouraging them to take DiAngelo/Kendi/Oluoian concepts into my daughter's 1st grade classroom is a recipe for disaster, IMO.

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Same in the uk Africans and Asians out do whites in education

CRT is a graduate level legal theory that states racism is baked into American Jurisprudence. Things like 3/5 ths of a population count for enslaved people, debt slavery, and housing covenants. It should not be conflated with racist right wing tropes.

Samuel is very grounded and has had a more life experience from growing up in Ghana, moving to Canada and now happily married and living in Ohio. He has experienced a wide variety of the human condition and he speaks from a place of wisdom born of real experiences. The other guy, while well meaning, just doesn’t seem very deep. When I listen to him talk, all I hear is a bunch of words stringed together and, as the coined phrase goes, it sounds like word salad. Things like, ‘having difficult conversations’, the average American is trying to put food on the table and working hard and raising kids etc. they don’t have all this free time to think about themselves much less than anything else! The guy seems to want to remain in this racism loop, maybe because it is still lucrative? We need more Samuels in this world!! ❤

CRT is an issue that I am less familiar with, and this conversation has given me a lot to think about from both sides. Thank you to both men for taking the time to come and represent your views! May Christians obey God's will and commands in our approaches to CRT and every other contemporary issue!

Big brother with bigger beard doesn’t understand what CRT is With his LGBTQ ideas, there’s no hate like Christian love 🤦‍♀️ Look up the ‘veil of darkness’ research with over 10M traffic stops assessed and extensive multivariate regression analysis used.

Samuel is spot on. Way to uphold the Truth brother.

1. Yes… generally, history is awful, globally. 2. Single motherhood rates were much lower in 60s.. what happened? 3. California has enshrined in law DEI and CRT in their schools. 4. Federally, DEI and CRT initiatives are passing laws based on race, which is evil. 5. Only reason United States hasn’t ruptured is thanks to white people and their refusal to embrace their racial identity, like so many black Americans have. 6. Ibram X Kendi needs to debate someone like Coleman Hughes. He never will… 7. Unconscious bias is nonsense.. you are hunting ghosts and dabbling in reprogramming. Nonsense 8. America is greatest because it values meritocracy. DEI actively undoes meritocracy. 9. If parents have bias and and cannot correct it with their own children… how can you hope to fix that societally? Insanity 10. Blaming white children for evil some of the ancestors might have committed is evil, pure evil.

Only liberal blacks and minorities on the lower rung refuse to believe that not all cultures are equal.

Two completely clueless people talking about racism.

Ask ChatGPT for examples of systemic racism in the last 30 years. Follow up question, “what role did Joe Biden have in (answer #1)?” Fascinating.

One thing I’ve noticed with “discussions” like this is that a person(the bigger guy) will throw wild accusations while knowing absolutely nothing about the subject; meanwhile the other person(slim) will try to correct or educate him. That has become the normal discourse and it solves nothing. You can’t have a conversation when two people are talking about two different things. The bigger guy said it himself “if we cannot identify a moment in time” while the entire time he hasn’t identified a single fact from his talking point; just threw an accusation and moved on. Also You care to protect the aborted babies but not the infant mortality rate? The hypocrisy of it all.

People are naturally tribal, all people are. You will never convince 8b very different people to get along. Luckily the world is large enough we can live in peace with people we disagree with. The only thing we need to learn is to quit worrying what people think about you and focus on improving the people who do care for you. Find your tribe and screw everyone else.

It's interesting to hear this man tie racism back to sin and how racism is against God and against scripture. But also, for centuries, Christians used scripture to justify slavery and racism....

If you dont care of the life and well-being of humans already here, then your prolife stance is hypocritical. Why aren't you fighting for the lives that are already here. Such as the homeless, fosters children, the poor, single mothers. In other words, you should be fighting for affordable housing, helping veterans, affordable child care, universal healthcare, a basic minimum income, and a living wage, to name a few.

Critical theory has a view? It's an analytical tool. It's a framework for analyzing things related to systems of power.

This guy's (on the left) worldview is shaped by his belief in a god and is very troubling.

It may be easier to frame the topic in the concept of power dynamics, as its mutable. Racism is too 'solid' a concept, and disempowers both 'parties' the ability to grow, change and adapt the broader society. Nothing is permanent but change, and everyone needs to be a part of growth. This is better navigated with the concept of power than racism, as it addresses the individual as much as cultures.

Here's my 2 cents. The unfortunate thing about social issues like Racism is that, at the end of the day, the victim has to be the better person or else risk continuing the cycle. Here's why I think it is: 1. The racist (or offender), is ignorant. If you choose to ignore and not educate them, they may never realize they are being ignorant and will continue being that way until they die. 2. If you counter racism with racism, let's say, if someone calls you the N word and you respond with whatever word offends them, they'll most likely not relent and will just lash back at you verbally, or worse, this time around physically. You weren't able to change anything, AND you potentially got injuries in the process. 3. If you immediately counter by beating them, as in physically assaulting them, it will look like what they're saying about you is true all along and will be even more convinced that they are indeed correct. 4. If you decide to do the worst, let's say, by murdering them, hoping it will end and you'll finally find peace, chances are it will only push their fellow racists to retaliate even harder, in different and many ways. Your people may avenge you and their people will avenge them, and it just goes round and round. Sometimes, this violent back and forth is taken to the extreme and this is one of the reasons why genocides happen. Yes, sometimes you really have to defend and yourself and exercise violence, but hopefully we do not forget not to become the very same monster we fought. It takes a lot of patience and great communication skills backed with wisdom (and may even need charisma) to finally convince a racist to change their mindset. I do not claim to know the exact numbers for this, but I noticed that, it's the racist's fellow (I'm talking about the person with the same skin color as theirs) that usually succeeds in convincing the said racist to change. Example, if a white guy is being racist, there's a good chance that the person that can stop them and change their mind is also a fellow white person. I also noticed the same thing rings somewhat true for colored people. I'm not denying the fact that a victim successfully changed a racist's mindset, but I'm sure that took more time and effort. I'm sorry for sounding pessimistic, but these are just my observations. Similarly, I was misogynistic back then, but I did not change out of the blue, it took a lot of self-introspection and talks with the opposite and other genders to finally understand that I am in fact wrong. I'm thankful I changed because hating someone for the smallest and most insignificant of reasons is quite exhausting in the long run, it also closes the door to happier experiences.

😂 hateful comment deleted and all I did was spit facts….. KZfaq obviously isn’t the place to have open discussion! Your problems are closer to home than you think!

I’m learning that the most racist ones are the ones fighting against racism.

The only equality is in segregation. That's the sorry truth.

Racism is a religion……done.

Big brother doesn’t even know what CRT is. Uncle Sam love this man.

it's not about ending racism. it is about ending the inequitable relationship black people have with white people that allows them to exploit black people and use them as relative slaves. people can say and think what they want and associate with who they want but the mal distribution of power and resources is what needs to be addressed. can we coexist in a truly egalitarian society?

Many people do not know the reason Memorial day became a holiday. The civil war rocked our nation beyond anything. Hundreds of thousands died. The loss of life and livelihood left people scarred and faded. Black people wanted to show they appreciated the enormous sacrifice that was made on their behalf. They held an event to respect and celebrate those who died. They didn't think these heroes should be forgotten. The event was well received so much that they did it again every year. If those people who lived back then were to learn of CRT they would be vexed and aghast. Look it up. The War was over and the good guys won. Be humble and celebrate the soldiers who died to destroy slavery. Live in the now.

American really need to travel the world...

Racism will exist as long human being are on this planet or we have a alien invasion. Black we have been wrong but it is time for us to move on from this, keep the history alive but we need to work on getting out this hole we in. There are some people that want our down fall, most race have those people.

you know what was a good place to deal with racism? Battle of Bunker Hill (North of Hongcheon, 1951. 5. 16~19) the 38th Destroyed any Understanding of what people knew of what Racism was. What those men went through... Oh, those scary names meant nothing.

I’m Hispanic minority in my workplace. They don’t care were I come from. I believe that talking about race it’s counterintuitive, we are American. The best thing about USA is you can be immigrant and come here and become American. I recognize there have been racism but my experience the racism that my family has experienced came in Georgia from black folks. White people in my experience they didn’t matter where I came from. Do I care how black people from that place treated my family, yes, but that happened in that moment and that place. Because of that incident I don’t label all black peoples racist. The people that are racist are people that are hurt, and anybody can be racist, not only white people.

Research history. Learn from it. Pass it on. Don't live there but Learn from it.

Why doesn't "white supremacy" and "systemic racism" in America work on Asians, Jews or Indians from India? Why does it only work on blacks and Latinos? Why do Asians, Jews and Indians out perform white Americans in a white supremacy culture or system?

The common thread in conversations about CRT… those that oppose it have no idea what it is. How do you have a rational conversation about a topic when one person has no idea what the topic even is?

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