Thoughts? www.reddit.com/r/SomeOrdinaryGmrs/comments/d64wim/the_retro_gaming_elitists_are_top_tier_cringe/

Shoutout to the original doom to be able to be played on everything on earth. From your pc to your smart fridge

98% sure these gaming "elitists" are just disgruntled Ebay sellers

"They have more important shit to worry about" UK Police: **Sweats nervously**

Emulation is 90% of the reason retro games are still relevant. And I still own every system I've ever bought. I love the archive aspect of it. It's important. Especially as we crawl bloodily ever closer to digital and stream only, it'll be easier and easier for companies to stop you from actually owning what you buy.

I'm a retrogame collector, I'd encourage everyone to emulate so maybe the prices of certain games I want can get cheaper.

you look like you're in a level of Hotline Miami

Man even when this guy gets "heated" he comes off as a nice dude. I dunno if it's the inflections or something but like. I feel like I just listened to a friend rant about something.

Imagine art collectors shaming you for having a Mona Lisa replica in your house

Muta actin' like I won't cash out 60k for Wii sports: Prepare to Die edition

I think the emuparadise takedown is genuinely one of the biggest tragedies in the gaming community, it really is scary that big companies are gonna be fighting old rom distribution sites

Emulating is fine, I just like the novelty of playing on a console :D

"EVERYONE HAS WII SPORTS" has the same energy as "EVERYONE HAS UNO"

Lol the ad for the Sega genesis mini is perfect for this video.

Nintendo: we are shutting down rom sites. Nintendo: we are starting to sell roms

"Emulation is bad because it hurts the value of my game collection, but instead of saying that I am going to argue you are hurting devs or emulation sucks" - Elitist Retro Gamers

Cinemassacre are the only guys I respect in that regard, they have everything, but they don't really care about how you play your games

Me: "Yay I finally got a Saturn emulator working! Now I can play Burning Rangers without spending $130+!" Elitists: [CHARGING LASER CANON]

Retro elitists: Emulators bad! Nintendo: we have NES classic mini, SNES classic and NES/SNES games on the switch Retro elitests: YEAH, MORE!!! Sony: we have a playstation classic mini Retro elitests: YEAH!!!

"It's historic so it should be devoid of criticism"

I emulated mairo 64 and the FBI shot me 69 times

It's the unfortunate aspect of any fandom. There's elitists in EVERY community.

There’s used game store near me that has really old games for $50 dollars and up. For example I saw Pokémon Diamond for like $60 bucks. That’s ridiculous.

I'm so sorry that I like to play my gba games on a screen with a backlight

“Every PS3 is gonna die.” Don’t say that Mutahar!!!

I love emulation, without it I probably never would have played so many fantranslated games. I just hope people buy the games from companies that deserve it.

Without emulators we wouldn't be able to play hongkong97

I commented on 'into sandy's city' from the Doom ost asking if anyone was here from getting the collectible from doom eternal and one of these gatekeeping trash heaps says "They came from the original game" and then called me a child. Nice.

Elitism is always bad, but It doesn’t make a community bad.

I love the old classics..but the elitists are what outsiders think gamers are. Im not really an emulator type person..but no one should be ridiculed for doing so. It doesn't make you some kind of alpha because you don't emulate old games. Then the other problem is that they're wearing such thick nostalgia glasses that they really think there weren't as many bad/poorly made games back in the day.

I also hate the mentality of "retro game good, modern game bad." I get that the modern gaming industry is pretty corrupt, but there are so many good modern games that I'd much rather play than any retro game. Don't get me wrong, I still like retro games but I don't think they're the cream of the crop that so many people make them out to be.

emulation is a necessary "evil" to archive videogame history

There's a record shop in my town that has a used games section and I got like 20 games for my original Xbox for $10 because I explained to the owner that the Tony Hawk series isn't worth $20 a game

I love how some "elitist" collectors get upset with me as a collector as I only get games I "like" and want to play, and not "that one game that is super expensive". I collect games because I like playing them but some seem to think the only thing that matters is when ya have the most expensive games ever.. well you know what... have fun with your sealed copy of Stadium Events, I however will enjoy playing my Mega Man 2 on NES (ok snes classic these days cause well.. easier to hook up to a modern tv).

when you get outbid on a SNES on ebay

Ive been emulating for like half a decade now. Didnt know this was so controversial. Plus rom hacks can be cool

Console retro gaming elitist: noooooo don’t play emulators or improve the quality of old games Pc retro gaming elitist: ha ha gzdoom go brrrrt

The one thing I love the most about emulators is that without it we wouldn't get to Play the meme that is Hong Kong 97

I like playing on the original hardware just cause I love physical copies in general, but emulators make playing retro games soooo much more convenient and accessible. Nobody should have to pay some eBay dude $140 for the opportunity to play Earthbound, or any game.

"everyone has Wii sports!!!!" Never change muta, never change... your content is so good.

Thank you for this video. It’s not about the games but about the memories that we attach to them that makes us come back to them.

While I prefer original hardware, I'm not going to stop people from emulating. Just play how you damn well please.

Honestly, playing on original hardware definitely a cool experience, but I have zero problems with emulation. I bought a 6-button sega saturn usb pad and experienced sonic mania and a bunch of other cool games that I own. People that shame others for emulation are just delusional Edit: wow 100 likes, that's a first lol

I just want to play GameCube games and not sell my soul to the devil to play them

I love how this is a 13 minute emulator rant. I was honestly expecting to hear about improper aspect ratios and stuff like that. For having been a part in the Twitch retro / speedrunning community (hereafter referenced as "the community") as a content creator for years now, most people just don't care how you play. They might have a preference for how they like to play but won't rip your asshole off for playing on an emulator. Also surprised you didn't bring up FPGA based systems and flashcarts. These are honestly how a good amount of the community play if they're on hardware (especially the speedrunning community). Higan is probably the best emulator example there is but sad you didn't touch on all the incredible work that has been put into making it what it is today. Tens of thousands of dollars have been spent on Higan. Most of this involving chemically decapping each chip on the system and then looking at it through an electron microscope. I'm a huge advocate of software preservation and have no problem saying I support piracy in this type of application. Loved the vid though! Sorry about the book of text! :D

For sale: Muta's Shit 66000 dollars. Slightly used.

Dissing retro is ok, DISSING WII SPORT ISNT

Being a retro gamer myself, I completely 100% support emulation, primarily because it’s a great way to preserve videos for the future because cartridges and discs don’t have life time warranties and they can be victim to age one day when the next century is just around the corner. I collect tons of retro consoles and games, as a personal preference I like to get original hardware and software. Even I hate elitism as much as you do man, *COUGH* PAT the NES Punk *COUGH*

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Whenever I hop on SOG's channel it is possibly the chilliest, and represents the chill atmosphere he gives off. not a single drop of "toxicity" anywhere to be found. this is a wholesome moment for internet land. IT HAS TO BE HIS LIGHTING

As a retro gamer, I *prefer* original hardware. However, emulation is a great tool for lots of things. I fully support emulation and "backups".

Great video and comments bro! As a retro gamer I have an arcade table with built in emulators for a variety of consoles. And just to be able to plug in and stream these is a blessing. Emulators mean retro will be around for as long as people are just embrace it!

At first I thought you were talking about speedrunners, and was thinking "what's wrong with them?", but when I realised you ment the authenticity nazis (Also CRT snobs), I completely understood, they are so annoying lol

Let's not forget the highly superior way to play sonic 1 *The GBA version*

Imagine paying 40 dollars for a used million unit selling game that came out in 1985

Broke:Original Hardware is the only way to play retro games. Woke: There's nothing wrong with emulating retro games. while i prefer OG hardware personally, I see why emulation is valuable. and personally I like emulation.

You actually are tbh the smartest person I have ever seen other than like the hawking guy. And other geniuses ...your on your way buddy I appreciate your videos extremely.

Emulators are awesome, I can finally play GameCube games I haven't played before like Path of Radiance and Animal Crossing without wasting hundreds of dollars on them!

Im so interested in what set him off to make this video

Where have you been all my life. So much facts at once. Subbed!

I remember the days when I played Pokémon emerald on mGBA. Good times.

0:29 Jesus isn't but MetalJesus *will...*

Filming in the back of an 80's oriental massage parlor I see.

I just really love old hardware. Recently fixed my old camera that still records on tapes. But I can totally understand that people would use emulators.

Retro game collecting is turning into a shelf decoration contest.

I love the discussion of physical vs emulation. I am a video game enthusiast, I do own most of the older system from NES to PS4, and I have to say I see both sides of the argument. Nostalgia is definitely one the main reasons people collect the games they enjoyed when they were younger, but I have noticed in the past few years a lot of people of all ages jumping into it for monetary gain. I am a vendor at game swaps and can spot these people from a mile away....and these same people are generally the loudest objectors when it comes to emulation. Those of us who enjoy retro gaming do go out of our way to play on the original hardware, buying line doublers or modding our systems to play on modern tv's.. but I know the people within my circle of enthusiasts would never shame anyone for emulating....we just want more people to experience the classics. These "eletists" are either pissed the games they bought off ebay or trying to re sell will dip in price due to emulation....or they are losers who need to have a "one up" on the normies. It is in almost any collecting scene that involves nostalgia. Comic book eletists are the exact same, and since the Marvel movies became popular I see so many people that would have never considered buying a floppy off the shelf are now waxing intellectual on comics they had no idea existed before RDJ put on the Iron Man suit. These people will always exist, the best thing to do is ignore it. If other people's opinions effect your enjoyment of anything from games to toys..etc., you probably don't enjoy it as much as you let on. It has honestly become a fasion accesory for people that want to "fit in". I suffered years of shaming from friends and family for enjoying comics and video games before they became respected...but it didn't deter me from my passions. Who cares what someone else thinks? Play however you want to play as long as it still brings you enjoyment!

I'd pay 60K for Wii Sports. Especially if it comes with a free corvette.

I'm 43 and still play my childhood Nintendo and I love emulators. For the "save states" are cheating crowd, well listen up youngins, we had those back then too. We called it pausing the game and turning the tv off. Viola! The game is right where you left it when you get back.

What the hell took me so long to find this channel? I love this guy

At first I thought he was saying Rick and Morty stores

Retro elitist: EMUlaToRs aRe IllEgaAl !!!! Also retro elitists: *opens pirated copy of COD* (or whatever game is popular at the time)

Your PS3 analogy hit me hard man. I lost a ton of save data and access to exclusives when my 2nd model PS3 phat YLODed on me. No way I'm paying over $200 for a console again, regardless of how many fantastic experiences it gives me. If I can't diagnose the problem myself and rewire or buy the mass produced parts I need to fix it individually, no way man. I totally get the whole "PC master race" thing, especially now that I have my own real gaming rig.

I am a retro game collector and player, and I fully understand where you are coming from. Don't let them shame you for using an emulator. I only collect because I like playing the game the way the devs wanted me to, but I genuinely want people to use an emulator because it will build the community around that game.

I've never understood this mentality. I've been using emulators since the beginning. Too many KZfaqrs have too much invested in keeping the prices high since they're counting on their collections being their retirement fund.

There’s nothing wrong liking playing on original hardware and there’s nothing wrong with playing on emulators. Play with what you have and enjoy it.

I always come back to this video whenever i need to remind myself to not spend 100 or more on a game xD

Have no idea why I like hearing you argue about shit but I just subscribed!

It's also funny cuz I remember when Nintendo was caught using a Super Mario Bros ROM they found online for the Virtual Console port like come on, emulation is currently the most solid way to preserve video games right now even Nintendo relies on it to a degree

I bought an original game boy with Tetris at a yard sale for $3.. I couldnt pass that up...

At 1st I didn’t like you for reasons I can’t really explain but I’ve come to realize you speak a lot of truth & you articulate it in a real funny way. Love this channel.

7:50 my favorite is things like dolphin VR which can be used to play both wii and gamecube games in VR.playing super mario galaxy through that emulator is probably the most fun i have ever had on a wii or gamecube game and that could not be done on the original system in any way, shape, or form without dolphin VR.

Rule of rose was $30 bucks for ps2 at a pawn shop and it’s being sold for $400 right now

"Welcome to Mutahar's Kek or Cringe, please show me your meme dudes" "Aww shit, LSD Dream Emulator? That's a classic dude. Definitely kek." "Retro game elitists? Awwww man, big cringe vibes dog."

The best argument for retrogaming without emulator currently is speedrunning. Some speedrun categories for some games ban emulators because of the inaccuracies in the game, and also because a game that runs better is much easier to play. As an example, Diddy Kong Racing bans emulators because the original consoles lag actually makes it much much slower than the emulator. But other than that, emulation is great.

"That game is worth less than the shit I took!" Gold, muta. Gold!

and i thought pc was the master race

Most of the retro games will be preserved on the internet making worthless getting the actual physical and absurdley priced game cartridge.

I collect retro games because I like to have the physical medium. It’s like curating a library, where I can go pick up a piece of history off of my shelf and play it, and look at the artwork on the box and read the manuals. There’s a lot of nostalgia to this experience. However, I very much care about the historical archiving of video games so I am all for emulating everything possible. The physical medium will deteriorate and we can’t lose these things to time. I have an emulation arcade cab that I made just so I can relive the arcade experience without having to own huge expensive machines and boards. Emulating benefits everyone, and people shouldn’t have to pay crazy prices and have a ton of space to enjoy all the great games throughout history. We’re opening doors to online netplay through emulators on games that were never playable online. We’re able to analyze games to find new speedrunning glitches and create mods to relive them in different ways many years later. Emulation contains the spirit of gaming. The only people I can think who would be against emulating are scummy resellers and boomers.

I've spent thousands on retro hardware and hundreds of afternoons refurbishing and fixing broken machines, but when it comes to playing retro games I usually just emulate them because it's a freaking pain in the ass to setup a console or vintage computer every time you want to have a quick go on an old game. Of course it's cool to use real hardware and I do that occasionally but emulation is just fine apart from things like light gun games etc. which really don't work that well. I don't bother with collecting the games themselves though as that will quickly get expensive and almost every system has a way to load games off an SD card somehow and I do that for most machines. Honestly as an engineer the troubleshooting and fixing is the most fun part of the whole hobby and I love it when I can save an old machine from being thrown out and give it a new life. I just appreciate having the hardware more than actually using them which might sound stupid but that's what I do, it's like people buying vintage pottery or anything else, you don't buy a classic car to use as a daily driver

I love the retro community though when it comes to repairing stuff and reviewing stuff. Haven't met an "elite" though. Just passionate people. Angry Videogame Nerd, Metal Jesus, and in retro tech 8-Bit guy just to mention some.

I started a Super Nintendo collection when I was 15, i’m 18 now, and I have a lot of Retro Gaming horror stories. (Which also serve as reasons to why I stopped) Some of which i’d like to share. •Final Fantasy VI (3) I went through the game twice, each time I got about a third of the way through before I got on to play one day, and all my save data was gone. That’s when I learned you can’t bump game cartridges, or else your save data is gone. (You also can’t leave your games stagnant for too long, especially if they’re rpgs, and they run on batteries that die super easy. I can say the same about all the other SNES rpgs i’ve owned and played. •Chrono Trigger •Secret of Mana •Illusion of Gaia •Mario Rpg •Earthbound (So far this one is okay, but I haven’t played it in a bit. Now i’m worried it’s gone. Ugh) It’s fucking aggravating to be worrying about wether your save data is going to die every time you get on to play) •Things that also can make you lose data -Bumping the console -Extreme Temperature Changes -Blowing in the cartridge (Don’t fucking do this with top loading systems, it’s a top loading system. The chips don’t get bent/get dust as easily so there’s no need to do that.) •Touching the chips •The Space/Setup Sometimes you’ll spend more on your setup than actually playing games. It’s ridiculous. Cartridges are also bulky, and take up a lot of space. •The Money you’ll spend This is the most common thing you’ll run into online when researching this. It all depends on what you’re willing to buy/how far you’re going to go. I don’t even wanna talk about how much money i’ve spent, because it’s an amount that i’m ashamed of. *However* There are a lot of joys in the gaming community, and the people you’ll meet while collecting are awesome (mostly) I’ve talked to a lot of people, and they’ve made my experience better in the community than the games. So, take everything you hear about the community with a boulder of salt. It’s not all bad.

"Someday, every PS3 is going to die"... yeah, but you forget that older hardware rarely ever failed even during it's life-span. Most modern electronics are built more to have a short-life span, while older hardware was built to last. For one, the designs were simpler, which makes them more bulletproof. They are also easier to work on. The most common thing to fail is capacitors and those can be fix on many old machines. But that being said, the older the machine, the better the emulation tends to be on it. I have absolutely no problem with emulation. Original hardware seems to be more of an issue with speed runners, since emulation isn't allowed with speed runners. Only original hardware and original copies of the games. Maybe the sales people might have something to do with this, but I think it's more fueled by the speed running community. I guess because original hardware is the only way to keep things fair, so, I guess that sort of makes sense. I really don't care for speed running, so, I use emulators where appropriate. I only seek original hardware when games I want to play dont run right. I mostly care about the N64 because that's a system I have a close connection with, but I'm perfectly fine emulating gamecube games on my Wii U using Nintendont (even though Nintendont is more like patching the game to run in Wii mode than actually emulating.)

This man is a genius and has a way with words. Subscribed.

retro elitist logic:play goldeneye in a shit resolution, with a shit control scheme and in a barely playable framerate is better than playing in 4k, 60 fps mod, widescreen support and mouse and keyboard

Good video, Muta. I enjoy the shit out of playing on the original hardware and games, but that's more for a collection standpoint. If you want to emulate? I say go for it. Enjoy the games!

I love playing my games on their original hardaware just feels right for me but god damn i hate with a passion those retro elitists,man-children telling you how to play your games

Take a drink every time he says "ladies and gentlemen"

I like the experience of playing old games on old consoles (Goldeneye on 64), but I really don't care how anyone goes about playing; just have fun gaming.

I use both original hardware and emulation. I think people should be free to do whatever, the emulator hate is dumb.

I really can't stand some inaccuracies sometimes, but I come to expect it, I really love consoles and emulators, I find it really cool that people reverse engineer this stuff, allowing others to play all their games in one place; even having better graphics, framerates, and whatnot far superior to the game running on real hardware in some cases. It makes me really excited for the future of emulators and the power we have at our disposal to fully optimize and flesh out some of these emulators.