The rich, the poor, and power differentials

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@user-ec7gw2cd5e
@user-ec7gw2cd5e 11 ай бұрын
Sarthak I would like to note that there is a reservation for disabled people in India for college admissions. Also, the students from weak economical conditions can apply for college fee waviers. But I guess most of us are not able to see the reservation beyond college admissions, because for upper caste people it’s the only time when they feel discriminated against. While for lower caste it’s much more significant than that in regular life as well. Also, I don’t think the US system of case to case basis will work in India. Indian society and universities are very much different culturally than the US.
@Raj-gc2rc
@Raj-gc2rc 11 ай бұрын
Itna bekar analysis ... nahi dekha yaar . You can force companies to adapt this reservation... otherwise companies would go bankrupt.... companies work on core competence not identity politics
@hemachandrak3799
@hemachandrak3799 11 ай бұрын
​​@@Raj-gc2rc Not true, cause the companies I have seen all give job to people who give the most bribe. I have also seen harassment on lower caste and women by upper caste bosses
@AVaibhav31
@AVaibhav31 11 ай бұрын
@alphabetsim OBC reservation are based on CLASS not caste. OBCs are sa-varna people. They were a part of varna hierarchy. Dalits are AVARNA. Even genetically OBCs are exactly like UCs and kshtriyas in particular. OBCs never face dalit like discrimination.
@AVaibhav31
@AVaibhav31 11 ай бұрын
@alphabetsim obc ko milta to hai reservations! If i am not mistaken you are asking for SC/ST like reservations & protection for OBCs. If this is what you're asking for than that's a bad idea bcz OBCs are not same as SC ST.
@mother.95
@mother.95 10 ай бұрын
​@@Raj-gc2rcCompanies run on capitalism which exacerbates our problem in indian bigoted society. If reservation in private can bring good, then so be it. Why are you sucking for big rich companies?
@rohankundu
@rohankundu 11 ай бұрын
Vimoh , you have the patience of a monk dealing with these MiDdLe ClAsS clowns..i got so frustrated even listening to his drivel about 'cutting expenditure'. People are doing research at universities to design welfare schemes and this guy who most probably is a Bengaluru Techbro just finds a solution to an economic problem like that!!
@ashishpursani
@ashishpursani 11 ай бұрын
You're resorting to both ad hominem and argument from authority fallacies. I've previously referenced an RBI report on state finances to support my points and suggested solutions based on that. You mention 'people,' but without specifying their sources. By the way, I'm not located in Bangalore. Where are you located?
@NileshKumar-nr2vj
@NileshKumar-nr2vj 11 ай бұрын
Did that American law guy never hear of PH quota ? And that it doesn't consider caste ? Which they should, because all the PH seats are mostly filled by upper caste handicap students, again intersectionality is important. So you have people from same problem still doesn't get as much representation as an upper caste person. OBCs have creamy layer. One of the many reasons SC/ST don't have that is because even the reserved number of seats are left sometimes. Creamy layer is extremely dubious mark to measure. Many people are helped by their siblings and only people those have their income known are government employees mostly. Lower castes are mostly earning through govt Jobs, they don't have family owned businesses where they can hide their income, which I see almost all of my friends with EWS do. Rest of the things he mentioned like "family education" that again is subset of social inequality, that is based on caste. Two upper caste educated parents aren't equal to two educated lower castes. Sometimes I have even upper caste families with relatively less educational background has better awareness, access, and exposure to get their next generation better educated than the educated families of lower castes. The whole extended family and caste location matters. My father used to lecture these people often and tell them to focus on making up their generation stronger, and spend as much money on books, travel and amenities as possible. Using that privilege of having money and give their children some exposure to the outer world. But because of the caste background these people come from they aren't as good at these things despite having money. It's simple reservations based on caste because discrimination is based on caste. You will keep rotating the caste capital in your clan by practicing caste and caste based marriage. And that is why representation matters... One more thing Obama's daughter would certainly have more mental health issues if racial tensions increase in the country despite having all the privilege but a regular white guy wouldn't have to think about it. Even if he/she does, it wouldn't be same.
@dr.j3685
@dr.j3685 11 ай бұрын
Upper cast people only get conscious when they don't get their dream college, then says reservation is a bad thing and starts to criticise it , the small hit of not getting a dream college is a big thing for them although they can try again but don't want to. As compared to a person of the category end up facing day to day basis discrimination which is a big factor against not getting a dream college!
@shubhamhire3065
@shubhamhire3065 10 ай бұрын
Thank you Vimoh, you are doing great public service.
@tubento
@tubento 11 ай бұрын
Sarthak, caste is practically permanent while good economic conditions are not, caste remains with you and your coming generation but good economic condition may not.
@AVaibhav31
@AVaibhav31 11 ай бұрын
What sarthak doesn't understand is that reservations are not for economic upliftment but REPRESENTATION. A rich dalit neta or bureaucrat will solve the concerns of his caste people while a poor uc may not. We are a group based society, marrying within our group for centuries. It makes no sense to look at individuals in a caste based society like India. A dalit District head (rich or poor) will understand the concerns of other dalits but a UC (rich or poor) may not.
@vv6533
@vv6533 11 ай бұрын
Caste being permanent is debatable. Almost all ancient societies had some form of caste system and they exist no more. India will change as well. Casteism used to be worse before but now it's getting better. Your premise is shaky here cuz its not true. Now let's assume what you say is true which is that caste is permanent then how exactly reservation helps in getting rid of it? Reservation only promotes caste because it is basically a zero sum game. With finite resources and a huge population fighting for it obviously only certain groups can get it. If you are UC you would support UC and vice versa. Let's not kid ourselves by thinking reservation promotes equality or some bs like that. Be honest
@-_.0O
@-_.0O 11 ай бұрын
​@@vv6533blabber at ur best. Caste reservation will exist as its fair.
@vv6533
@vv6533 11 ай бұрын
@@-_.0O what's the end goal of reservation? What do you mean by fair? It's taking away the opportunities for some and giving it to others. There's nothing inherently fair in reservation. As I said it's a zero sum game. You're not the sharpest knife in the toolkit.
@-_.0O
@-_.0O 11 ай бұрын
@@vv6533for that, u need to learn its not the same in all geography. End goal ? GIVING BACK.. so don't worry next 3000 yrs it ll be there.. caste based reservation shud be based on caste & ethnic census . Again it is fair bcoz few ancestors prevented others opportunities so maybe its karma playing the game. and no govt including bjp take away that. It ll cease may be in next Yuga:-) so better luck next jenmaa.. (fun fact- sai deepak supports caste reservation)
@yashkumarjha5082
@yashkumarjha5082 11 ай бұрын
Great live
@dragoons292010
@dragoons292010 11 ай бұрын
Hye Wimoh, I think its about time you call back Megnad again. Recently government has brought a draft replacing IPC and other sections. RW people are calling it revolutionary. So I would like to know more of this.
@vv6533
@vv6533 11 ай бұрын
Sarthak clearly had good arguments. Disadvantages comes in many forms and you seems to only give importance/preferences to certain forms like caste and race. On the other hand what Sarthak was arguing for is that all possible disadvantages should be considered in equal footing and gauged based on that.
@vimohlive
@vimohlive 11 ай бұрын
Caste and race are systemic. So they're different. Sarthak's argument was the same as yours. Just presented with more layers than you did.
@vv6533
@vv6533 11 ай бұрын
@@vimohlive Reservation won't be addressing the root cause of the problem which starts at the early stages of education. Disadvantaged people should be given free and quality education so that there's a level playing field and let meritocracy decide who gets what..
@vimohlive
@vimohlive 11 ай бұрын
@@vv6533 The root cause is caste. Education should prevent it. But it doesn't. So Reservation is also needed.
@vv6533
@vv6533 11 ай бұрын
@@vimohlive meritocracy is race and caste blind. For instance IIT JEE exams require good test taking skills and high IQ. If quality education is provided free for all then the deciding factor ultimately boils down to one's IQ. I don't know how caste comes into picture here unless you are telling me that UC person has inherently high IQ compared to a LC person.
@vimohlive
@vimohlive 11 ай бұрын
@@vv6533 Think about who has more access to education that makes passing those exams possible. Who finds it easier to rent a house near the college? Who doesn't get called names because of their caste? Who doesn't suffer discrimination at the hands if University staff? Meritocracy in an unequal society is a fantasy.
@barnaliadhikary9421
@barnaliadhikary9421 11 ай бұрын
Vimoh.. if the solar system disappears from the universe suddenly or gradually, how will it affect the universe, in regards to physics or in anyway? Or will it affect the universe at all?
@vimohlive
@vimohlive 11 ай бұрын
Stars and solar systems die all over the universe all the time. The universe goes on. We are no different.
@curiosity_fan
@curiosity_fan 11 ай бұрын
9:10 Fantasy football😂😂
@diamond_dew
@diamond_dew 11 ай бұрын
Idea💡💡: deciding to read a particular book and then discuss it on a livestream
@udhayveersingh1855
@udhayveersingh1855 9 ай бұрын
Nice one
@hrishchandratre8970
@hrishchandratre8970 11 ай бұрын
Hey what’s the Sapien book you had mentioned in various videos? Is it by Yuval Harari? Also which Carl sagan book do you recommend to read first?
@infinity70455
@infinity70455 7 күн бұрын
Start 5:06
@jonesalapat6199
@jonesalapat6199 11 ай бұрын
Well, I think I have to agree with Sarthak on some level, reservation to a child of a generation of doctors is a waste of that reservation seat, maybe the 17 factors and its weightage can be tweaked to an Indian. context.
@123xyzabccba
@123xyzabccba 8 ай бұрын
1:02:20; there’s a huge difference between individual biases and institutionalised biases …
@181Ravikiran
@181Ravikiran 4 ай бұрын
@36:31 - kaantara reference about festival bhoota kola is from mangalore( mangaluru) karnataka ..not sure of jharkand (probably hindi version of film had that proxy name) .. Bhoota in costal area(managlore kannada) means diety, but in standard kannada(mysore kannada) it means ghost. Director rishab shetty is coming from that region(kundapura). Also please watch Chethan Ahimas take on how brahminism has hijacked tribal triditions, when that movie was released
@anandgarhwal1421
@anandgarhwal1421 2 ай бұрын
Hi, can you make a playlist of videos where you have talked about caste
@vimohlive
@vimohlive 2 ай бұрын
There is one. It's called Caste Conversations
@anandgarhwal1421
@anandgarhwal1421 2 ай бұрын
​@@vimohlivegot it, thanks.
@AVaibhav31
@AVaibhav31 11 ай бұрын
1:02:47 Sarthak bhai Reservations ARE NOT MEANT FOR ECONOMIC UPLIFTMENT!! Reservations are for REPRESENTATION. In a GROUP based society like India, you can't make policies targeting only individuals. I come from an Indian village and whenever there's any conflict between UC and LCs (which is very common) everyone looks for "their people" in the system so that they can be treated a bit fairly. An officer's daughter like Tina dabi can represent and solve the concerns of SC community while a poor brahmin cannot! And a poor brahmin anyways gets free food electricity housing and also EWS reservation. There are also reservations fir disabled. So it's not as if poor from UCs dont get anything from the govt. Just google the schemes for poverty alleviation, they are more than double in number than SC/ST welfare schemes. IN A GROUP BASED CASTE BASED SOCIETY LIKE INDIA REPRESENTATION MATTERS. A RICH DALIT CAN REPRESENT A POOR DALIT BUT UNFORTUNATELY A POOR UC CANNOT REPRESENT A POOR DALIT. THIS IS THE REALITY OF OUR SOCIETY.
@meghakd
@meghakd 8 ай бұрын
7:03 sorry vimoh i was sending lesser money. 😮
@vimohlive
@vimohlive 8 ай бұрын
No need to add apologise.
@LakshmiSrikhandpur
@LakshmiSrikhandpur 11 ай бұрын
But does the 5min intro need to be on the channel..?
@vimohlive
@vimohlive 11 ай бұрын
Just skip it
@LakshmiSrikhandpur
@LakshmiSrikhandpur 11 ай бұрын
@@vimohlive 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 😊
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