i agree on that.. my coach said the same.. also when you put your toes up the bone in your shin sticks out a bit more to make it more painfull for the opponent... nice video btw!

Krav Maga.

Shane has a video on this topic somewhere but Muay Thai, Boxing, MMA, BJJ are all good but there are +'s and -'s to all styles.

I'm a toes down kind of guy as with most Muay Thai fighters; you get your toes broken enough times & you will get sick of it. Though I do hear what you are saying; it does help support checks utilising the knee. If you do check with toes up my advice would be do it every now and then, not all the time.... No one likes breaking their sparring partners toes.

Angelo A lot of fighters just deal with the pain, it is really extraordinary that they do.

I C Oh i see, so basically you condition your shins and you use them both for kicking and blocking, that becomes your "weapon". So when someone tries to kick your ribs you exchange that target for a harder one.

Live Free very true. That fight is what made me post this. Alvarez was heavy on his feet in order to throw those big punches, and although they hurt Cerrone , the leg kicks got the better of him. Straight immobilized him.

***** Yeah, he got chopped down good.

Be the first to bite, gouge and nutpunch. No rules or honour in self defense.

I meant to Say Vertical punches Vs Horizontal in Fighting

Chris Utley Yeah, that's a good subject.

Yuh Because im skilled in Jkd and Tai Chi and We punch vertically (centerline law) I was wondering if It would work In a Sports fight or Street fight?

horslems It's called Hermosa Beach, just below Los Angeles. Moving out here was the best choice ever. fightTIPS videos on the beach?! Tsshhuu you know Ant is jealous haha.

***** im jelly bro! im from Sweden we never have that kinda weather!

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***** Damn it... can I block with my shins if theyre not well conditioned?

+fightTIPS i dont think thats Hermosa beach i think thats santa monica hermosa beach dosent have trashcans all across like that

The position of your leg while checking a kick absorbs the impact better whereas while kicking all force is absorbed in just your leg causing more pressure and damage

HamburgerFeet I appreciate the time you took to respond man! I was looking for something that I could visualise easier though. So does that mean that while the checker absorbs the kick better and more slowly, the resistance force of your shin is transferred to the kicker straight away which makes it more painful?

HamburgerFeet I'm sorry, but how can that be the case? Both legs are at right angles to each other. Assuming you block with the same part of your leg as they strike with, there appears to be no functionally greater way for the checker to absorb the kick than for the kicker.

Mat Broomfield the position of the whole leg, not just the shin, makes it so the impact is absorbed across the whole leg, not just the shin. the kicker however, has his leg straight, or quite straight at least, so the impact is only absorbed by the part of the shin that makes contact, meaning it hurts a lot more.

Tyler Jones a way to visualise it would be that the checker's leg position is like a spring, sort of a suspension, allowing it to disperse the force through his whole leg and body, meaning less pressure to one area. the kicker, however, has his leg pretty much straight meaning it is like an iron bar, and it has no springy-ness to spread the force, so all of the force hits a small area, making it hurt a lot more. (But leg conditioning also makes a big difference so you should definitely still do it lol)

Use your weight for power

+Jobbe de Koning Throw lettuce at them.

Simply run. They won't be able to catch you.

Shane already has

No fera

he is a muai thai vlogger he focouses mainley in striking subscribe to a BJJ channel instead.

That's y u condition them this is made for mma

Thats why you need to condition your shins.. The bone will harden and you wont get hurt nearly as much. However Your leg muscle doesnt get much tougher no matter how much you condition it and a good kick to the thigh will always do damage.

getting 2 or 3 good kicks in the leg hurt way more..... and if you time right.. you will not feel it.. unlike you opponent.. you should check out spong vs saki also anderson silva got checked good when he broke his leg

honeymonster147"The bone will harden and you wont get hurt nearly as much." Tell that to Da Silva. And you can MASSIVELY increase your muscle density - but hey, bone against muscle is always going to win.

keesjanklootviool"if you time right.. you will not feel it.." In what way is your timing going to reduce the pain when two objects made of bone crash together at right angles to each other? Genuine question.

the reality of things, is if you're an inexperienced fighter you're going to get the shit beat out of you.. that is why you have to learn to fight properly by taking muay thai classes and keep drilling it.. if you want to block, you can just use your arms.. but it hurts.. so the choice is yours..

Kick back with a front kick or oblique kick. Aim for the groin/ hip area.

The untrained person still has somewhat strong shins, untrained vs untrained your shin should be fine. If you want to go against muay thai but you don't want to condition your shins then you should condition your forearms to performs Japanese Jiu Jutsu or Krav Maga kick blocks with less risk. Though I really do not recommend this; as kick power and volume can easily overwhelm blocks with the arms.

Unless you are fighting a professional kickboxer or MMA fighter, you won't break your shin by checking a kick. It's gonna hurt like hell, but you won't break it.

Also - if you use your knee vs their shin you win 👌

+Ben Laverock that's what I'm saying, when I block kicks to the body and head I don't have my knees up I just use my arm and lean towards the kick. I only use shins when I check low kicks. I block head kick the same way I block a hook.

also when your toes are pointed down theres a greater chance that you will be swept bc opponents kick will slide right under your block and hit your opposite leg

I'm unsure what shane is thinking with bringing the hand across to sweep a high kick down... I honestly wouldn't try it for a number of reasons. The rest is sound though, dumbed down but still effective. On the other hand Ben, Adam, etc you guys just seem like you are talking from conjecture. I've never seen my mates who come back from training at Banchamek Gym curl their toes up and on no planet have I ever seen someone in Muay Thai deliberately "block with the leg muscle". That is just make-believe.

actually my gym teaches the same thing. flex your foot up when blocking low kicks. flex shin muscle adds extra padding to absorb impact.

Tou Xiong since making my comment have done my research and there are just two schools of thought on this. Toes up or down just varies between schools, but toes down is definitely the most common.

he has a video for this

I think he has videos on that... I think

i just posted it ...

lol. but I cant bare to see a snapped leg like that eww///

Its fucking crazy huh? I so thought he was going to take that fight seriously and win... but then.... gross.

Clearly you don't have much martial arts experience or you are a troll, but that's okay. First off... fighting is unsafe... someone is going to get hurt, that is the idea of fighting. Second.. I rather injure myself while trying to defend myself... than getting beat up doing nothing or not knowing how to. (I think most people here would agree) Third.. I blocked hundreds of kicks (I practice muay thai/Kickboxing on a competition level more than 5 years now) and its the practice that makes perfect... not years of shin conditioning! Fourth.. If i was in a street fight.. the first thing i would do is to take a leg out. (you said it yourself 1 decent kick to an unconditioned thigh.. and he will not be able to stand for 2 weeks) Fifth.. That headblock is pretty common in muay thai/ kickboxing.. in fact.. its one of the most Fail safe one's against a headkick. The hand ind the front catches the leg (like catching a ball) and deflects it. A kick or a punch does not require a lot of force to be deflected or neutralized. As long as it happens at the right moment (again practice practice practice). The hand in the back is a safety. If for some reason the kick is not enough deflected or not properly catched it just hit you in the glove quite harmless It also covers the head while clearing the leg And i agree.. when he catches it he probably has to move a bit. But keep in mind these blocks are normally done in fluid automated movements. Not while standing still maintaining balance and trying to tell people how they work. The speed and movement also vary, because not every fight is the same. Sometimes you step out or lean in, it all depends on numerous things. And on what you and your opponent are going to do next. I think Shane gave some good examples to show how you can block with the shins, and defend headkicks. And again.. practice makes perfect! (there is no fighter who became a fighter without practice). If you still don't believe that it works i would suggest you visit a local muay thai/ kickboxing gym and take a trial lesson. Then you can experience these techniques in an controlled environment.

keesjanklootviool Nah you're right, not much martial arts experience - just 30 years ;-) The idea of fighting is that THE OTHER PERSON gets hurt not you. If shin blocks are all about technique rather than conditioning, why are the re hundreds of sites and videos showing you HOW to condition your shins for Muay Thai, and why do kicksboxers STILL wear leg pads even at semi pro level? I don't doubt that proper technique is a huge component, but to say that it's NOT shin conditioning that matters, makes me wonder how you block. As for head blocks, I'm sorry, but I simply do not accept that the block shown, at the distance where the opponent can head kick, is a safe block. A shin is two or three times thicker and stronger than either the radius or ulna in the arm, and can easily break clean through both, which is not to say that one should never block or parry a head height round kick, but the block as shown, makes all kinds of assumptions about the audience that will get them into trouble. The fact is, a large part of Shane's audience are wannabe, inexperienced teenagers and you need to spell stuff out to these guys so that they don't hurt themselves. For example, in order to pull the kick down away from the face, you would either need to fade away from the kick, step back, or for the attacker to be out of effective range in the first place. I agree that a kick or punch does not NECESSARILY need a lot of force to be deflected - that's the whole principle of arts like aikido. However, when you meet an incoming attack perpendicular to the angle of motion, one of two things needs to happen - you either need to be more robust than the attacker, or you need to take the speed out of the attack, either by redirection or acting like a damper. I don't see how the range of this block enables Shane's arms to redirect, and the distance from his own head and the weakness of his arm relative to the incoming limb makes it dangerous to take the damper approach. I do concede however, that gloves may be the vital dynamic that I am missing. I don't fight in gloves or leg pads, so I don't depend on them to cushion incoming attacks. They may enable you to take liberties that one would not take without them, in which case, I would suggest that as courtesy to an audience not all coming from a kickboxing background, that Shane highlights that point.

Mat Broomfield Let me put it this way.. these techniques are hundreds of years old.. they are still used today even by professional fighters. If you are in doubt that they do not work, just don't use them. Personally i believe they do work, and that they are effective. But that's just out of my own experience. If you have a better solution/idea/technique, tell us or even better start your own fight tips! Shane is trained in muay thai so he uses a lot of muay thai techniques, The videos he makes show a lot of simple but effective muay thai techniques, If you don't like that, don't watch the video's. If you think that there dangerous, don't use them. If you don't like Shane, go tell him with a pm. But don't tell these "teenagers" what and what not to learn. Let them decide. OSU..

keesjanklootviool I do like Shane, but I don't revere him. He posts a lot of pretty good videos. This wasn't one of them. A better solution to a round kick? Totally depends upon your range. Far out, fade back, hook it with your hands (kind of like Shane appears to be doing here). In close, lift your arm like you're trying to elbow to the face. Middle distance, move forwards strongly towards the attacker's opposite shoulder striking the head or shoulder. Slightly further out, kick the supporting leg. I'm not a fan of blocking round kicks at all if I can help it, but some kickers are too quick, or disguise their intentions so well that you're forced into it. There are simply so many variables, and your own athleticism, bravery and the relative strength and weight of the two combatants makes a big difference. I used to have a student who was so powerful that ANYTHING you put in the way, he was going to break through. He made me feel like a beginner again. I would love to see you use these techniques against a committed kicker, not a tappy points fighter, but someone who is aiming to take your head of. I say that not to disparage you, but because you sound very confident in your technique. If it works as you believe it does, I'd be curious to understand the finer points of how you make it work. I don't really do the osu thing, but thank you, and respect to you too.

Mat Broomfield I think it depends more on the person than the technique, an inexperienced fighter even with the best defensive techniques will lose to an experienced and conditioned kicker. Out on the street I wouldn't block low kicks with the shin, a better technique for an inexperienced fighter (against some one at the same level) would be stopping the shin/knee with the sole of your shoe, like stepping on the kick, that way you don't get hurt if you are not conditioned and with the right shoes you can do enough damage to discourage someone from kicking. In any way, submission arts (like jiu jitsu) are vastly superior to any kicking or punching styles especially against someone inexperienced even if they are stronger or heavier.

No, they actually kick trees and stuff to build shin bone. The idea is that you will get micro fractures and then the body will build it back better than before. After doing this many times, it would take a lot of force to actually break the shin bone located in your leg. You can look up the science behind it if you do not believe me.

Zzzzzz... i believe you

Zzzzzz... It's true, it's actually called Wolf's Law in case you were wondering.