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The Rings of Power Showrunners RESPOND TO BACKLASH of Season 1! | The Rings of Power
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Жыл бұрынToday we bring you a bonus upload as 'The Hollywood Reporter' has just released an interview with the showrunners of The Rings of Power, J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay.
Here is our initial reaction to what they said!
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@asapilot04 Жыл бұрын
The fact that it’s even come to this: the writers/show runners having to respond to the huge outcry for the crap series they’ve put out, tells you all you need to know….
@CorePathway Жыл бұрын
They are narcissists. First they are infallible. Second they can feign some humility, but it’s just an act. But when they are humiliated, they attack. They quite literally cannot handle the truth and will to their deathbeds believe they made a great show with great writing and a great script. They simply cannot believe otherwise. Not possible. Kinda like a recent US politician of large, Cheeto-hued stature.
@grossepointemichigan Жыл бұрын
If they do not replace the entire writers' room - including themselves as writers - then there is no hope.
@hodgrix Жыл бұрын
I fail to understand why WE are supposed to have SYMPATHY for a BILLION dollar project not hitting the mark. I don't care how much the show runners think they "are coming from a good place". For whatever reason, the way things have worked at Amazon with this show have not been equipped to handle such an enormous task. Overly ambitious with the scope and too much political criteria to fulfill in order to focus on creating a good show. Cry me a river
@Rdude4444 Жыл бұрын
Well said
@Jmike12345 Жыл бұрын
I’m coming from a good place too, I avoid trash entertainment that offends or annoys me. I’m in a happy place not watching their product.
@Earendil_1510 Жыл бұрын
Absolute garbage writing. Stupid original plots. Boring characters. And dumb pointless mystery boxes. The show was an absolute disaster. They butchered galadriel and sauron’s characters completely.
@Earendil_1510 Жыл бұрын
The broken sword and nerd of the rings are constantly promoting the show due to their association with amazon. Its sad they’ve given up their integrity. Men of the west are much more honest and true to tolkien.. they even apparently rejected amazon’s invite for exclusive access!
@ianmacdiarmid1249 Жыл бұрын
If it is a labor of love, why do they warp and twist Tolkien's themes and ideas? The timeliness is wrong, Galadriel is frankly evil, the idea that mithril is related the Silmarils, and that the elves lose their immortality and need the light of the Silmarils? There is more but this is just the ones I can think of right now. Thus seems to be fan fiction, the kind a teenager with a several AP English courses could do better.
@mikem9001 Жыл бұрын
Well put!
@scalefree Жыл бұрын
I'll give you my own answer to this: because ROP is not based on a single finished text complete with all characters, dialog & events already given to them. the Hobbit & LOTR are complete novels that just need to be adapted to the screen. ROP is based on multiple fragmentary & frequently contradictory sources (much from the LOTR Index notes) & deliberately excluding large parts of the most developed & complete narratives (anything else, especially anything exclusively in Silmarillion). when you go from that starting point, of necessity you have a fragmentary narrative that needs filling in, a lot of it. that means inventing source material. I don't really like it but those are the ground rules we're working with.
@ianmacdiarmid1249 Жыл бұрын
@@scalefree but they still contradict many things Tolkien was explicit about. The excuse they only have fragments to work from falls apart when they take well established characters and completely change them.
@scalefree Жыл бұрын
@@ianmacdiarmid1249 Completely in keeping with Tolkien himself. Did the Blue Wizards arrive in the Second or Third Age? Were Orcs twisted Elves or something else? I'm not saying I agree with all their decisions. But the landscape of source material for ROP to start from & the amount of it declared off limits makes any adaptation of the Numenor story basically impossible to tell faithfully & completely. It's a skeleton of a ship. It needs a lot to be filled in or it won't so much sink as fall to the bottom.
@scalefree Жыл бұрын
I believe the answer to both questions is 'yes' working solely from Tolkien's own words.
@letsreviewcrapwriting Жыл бұрын
Wait, let's not blame ourselves for writing a troupe filled less than generic fantasy Tolkien skin suit, let's blame the fans!
@James_Lo Жыл бұрын
Yeah but the actual apendix this is based on, and The Silmarillion, are just generic fantasy. It's Tolkien's narrative writing, for The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings that excel those particular stories.
@fortium1025 Жыл бұрын
@@James_Lo I wish the haters would concede this fact and acknowledge that whatever they imagine to be a better portrayal would be just as worthy of criticism as the current production.
@James_Lo Жыл бұрын
@@fortium1025 You're probably right. Don't get me wrong I myself half a fair few critiques towards the show, but when I see the constant use of silly buzzwords and phrases like 'generic fantasy', I begin to realise that the discourse around the show is more derived from vitriol than an interest in either the show or books.
@letsreviewcrapwriting Жыл бұрын
@@James_Lo this show is literally just one giant lazy deus ex machina with stupid dialogue, but then again if you like trash, you like trash
@fortium1025 Жыл бұрын
@@James_Lo Nicely said. I agree all the way.
@stevie-con67 Жыл бұрын
Bad writing is bad writing. It’s not magically going to lead to some amazing payoff.
@logos4929 Жыл бұрын
Best comment in the thread
@danguillou713 Жыл бұрын
What I want to know is how these two nobodies, Bad Robot interns with no productions or writing credits to their names, got handed the keys to this gargantuan project? A phone call from JJ Abrams? Really? Or is it possible that the Tolkien estates (we're talking Simon here, right?) bargain for a "seat at the table" is more meaningful and controlling than it sounds like. And that they got to Simon and convinced him to give them the project? Flattery, blackmail, seduction... something. Anyway, they are obviously hacks, who're in way over their heads. I'd say the water is so far above their heads that they cant reach the surface and splash it around with their fingertips. The writing is atrocious. A lot of other aspects of the production falls short as well. Casting, direction, sets, costumes, choreography... Whoever was in charge over at Amazon should definitely be fired. Season two is filming, still in their hands. Ergo, it will not be good. So what remains to be seen is if Amazon kicks them from the show and tries to make some kind of soft reboot for season three, or if they cancel the whole project.
@joshpotter9261 Жыл бұрын
Simon doesn't have the same integrity or love of his Grandfather's work, they wouldn't have to do much to get the blessing from the new management.
@gwenallwood Жыл бұрын
@@joshpotter9261 I think he just cares for the money. He was born rich for being his grandson, and he doesn't give an F about being truthful to Tolkien. It's totally different from Christopher Tolkien, who actually cared for his father's work.
@shetlandapache949 Жыл бұрын
Saying Braveheart is real and lived in when it really was half written tropes, makes me start to understand why the writers don't understand how to write. Rob Roy seems more grounded in reality than brave heart while also having decent writing... these guys were very unconvincing in their article
@finalgirl640 Жыл бұрын
Yep. I caught that too
@themadpizzler6081 Жыл бұрын
This line from the article: "Tolkien's world has a long, unfortunate history of attracting fascist adjacent admirers..." That sentence has no value other than painting a picture of Tolkien fans as baddies. Well, in my response, it is well known that the Hollywood reporter is a hotbed of totalitarian liars. See how easy that was? I certainly didn't add anything productive to the conversation. Hrmm.....
@braddishv3146 Жыл бұрын
At least your comment is grounded in reality.
@padenbang7375 Жыл бұрын
I haven't read the article. But holy shit do they really say that??!! Wtf 🤣 "Guys Nazis love lotr" is so fucking weird and out of pocket. The sentiment that anyone who has criticisms about a piece of media, is a fascists is really weird and gross.
@Oozaru85 Жыл бұрын
@@padenbang7375 Its the same reason why you can't have viking tatoos or hairstyles or clothes or anything related to vikings, because then you're automatically a racist and Nazi, just because some people from the far right also happen to like vikings and their culture. It's f*cking stupid. I mean, hey. The austrian painter loved dogs. Are we nazi's now, if we like dogs? Ridiculous.
@mikem9001 Жыл бұрын
@@padenbang7375 True. Its good that people are spreading the news about this.
@thedrewb2273 Жыл бұрын
@@padenbang7375 You should read the article, it doesn't say what you're worried about
@leafonthewind88 Жыл бұрын
Take a look at these show runners filmography. The only real experience they have is the screenplay for Star Trek Beyond. Seriously? And they were given the reigns to a beloved multi billion dollar property? Mental.
@thunduh.5430 Жыл бұрын
And that "Trek" film barely resembled the original Star Trek. Its guys like this that wanted to play with your toys as a kid so they could break them, but thats the Bad Robot way....
@mrfry3 Жыл бұрын
For a billion dollar show, you think they can afford quality writers, showrunners.
@tomanderson6233 Жыл бұрын
Amazon got what they wanted. What they want sucks.
@Nicitel94 Жыл бұрын
I'm convinced the script and dialogues were written by AI. I've seen some of that before and it feels like it to me. Bland and soulless.
@RandyLeftHandy Жыл бұрын
Or armor that doesn't look like painted card board.
@bubblehulk7647 Жыл бұрын
The editing kills me just as much. If not more. I was extremely confused when Galadriel was being sent away while Miriel sees the petals falling ominously, then it cuts to Miriel announcing the She was going with Galadriel to Middle Earth. I felt like I missed a scene in the middle.
@anirudhbharadwaj1342 Жыл бұрын
You know most of that money went into buying critics and pretentious fans to give them positive reviews before the show premiered.
@Pumpkin.queen.666 Жыл бұрын
I’m getting so tired of hearing about how much they want to respect the original story and it’s legacy when they changed 95% of the story. It’s so strange to me that despite both the Tolkien estate and Amazon going on and on about respecting the story that the rights to the original story weren’t bought or sold and I don’t understand why. I feel like all the interviews I’ve seen are just completely disingenuous pr and even though I understand why that is I wished we could get even a shred of honesty.
@blaxpoitation8528 Жыл бұрын
They changed 98% of the story smh. There is NOTHING in this season so far on the show, that had happened in the books. Not a single storyline. I said 98% to be generous lol. They have not been faithful (no foreshadowing pun intended) to Tolkien or the source material at all. It’s really infuriating.
@NovRen19 Жыл бұрын
Mae G'ovannen! Now the evidence is clear, and none can deny that "ROP" is not of Tolkien. Take heart and join us for EXSURGE TOLKIEN that makes robustly clear the heresy of "ignorance" of Tolkien's Canon displayed out of the showrunner's mouths and hearts. They probably know nothing of Tolkien's masterpiece, as evident from their interview in the Vanity Fair Article. For "they who proclaim to loveth Tolkien, yet understandeth, not his world view can neither hope to create a new film, show, or series of his secondary world." "Auta i lóme!" and" Aurë entuluva!"
@wiremumatenga883 Жыл бұрын
@@blaxpoitation8528 yeah man. The most faithful thing to the lore in this show is probably the spelling of the names, characters and places. Can't even get the characters features right. Bahaha Galadriel the short and hot headed 😂
@wallacewyatt4023 Жыл бұрын
ROP is not Tolkien. It's worse than fan fiction.
@NovRen19 Жыл бұрын
@@wallacewyatt4023 join us and raise Exsurge Tolkien the beacon of Tolkien Orthodoxy with us...a counter series ull love on our channel.
@sweeperboy Жыл бұрын
I feel this was an attempt at damage-limitation PR (things like "it will all come together in the end" and "season 2 will be better", etc), and not wholly convincing. The problem is, at this point unless the last two episodes of Season 1 are absolutely stunningly good (and there's no reason to believe that this will be the case), they will already have lost a large proportion of the Tolkien fandom. There will be some new people who don't mind all the lore changes, or some Tolkien fans who watch it maybe because they're already signed up to Prime for other reasons, but those who signed up especially for this may disappear. Season 2 is therefore critical: if they also get this season wrong, it will be the end for the show. Amazon should therefore seriously think about whether these particular show-runners are the correct ones to fix the trajectory of the series, especially with the juxtaposition of House of Dragons being a relative success. I personally would replace them with a high-calibre director and see what he or she can do to save this. In the end, people might then say "Season 1 of RoP sucked, but the rest was really good" - which wouldn't be entirely a bad thing.
@lyrilljackson Жыл бұрын
plz. relative success is still not actual success.
@seanmiller5460 Жыл бұрын
Worked for parks and recreation. First season sucked, but they reevaluated what they did wrong, and salvaged a decent show. It doesn't seem like these showrunners can admit being wrong, and that will sink this series.
@CoastalReaction Жыл бұрын
Well the show isn't meant to be good, it's meant to demoralize fans, who all happen to be white.
@CorePathway Жыл бұрын
@@seanmiller5460 Parks and Rec didn’t have to thrive under the shadow of a towering giant, excuse me, THE towering giant of high fantasy. Season One so completely trashed Tolkien and canon that there is no coming back.
@martinkunz7155 Жыл бұрын
For this show to go anywhere, they'll have to fire everyone and start from scratch. There's no way to salvage this wreck.
@onepunchmantolkienfan5383 Жыл бұрын
Maybe Amazon is laundering money with this show?🤔
@onepunchmantolkienfan5383 Жыл бұрын
@@robsterinside cardboard would do a better job of hiding man boobs than the printed shirt they are wearing.😂
@zonefitzgerald 5 ай бұрын
Bingo! I wonder where ALL the one billion dollars worth of props were purchased from.
@groovecouple4644 Жыл бұрын
At this point I hope we _haven’t_ seen Sauron…
@patricksmith8262 Жыл бұрын
The article is just more words. They gave words before, the results show that the words were meaningless.This article is no different. Also, it's not a large scale show. It's a large budget show that has everyone wondering where the budget got spent. Seriously where is the "scale"? It certainly isn't in the show.
@Aurora2097 Жыл бұрын
Oh they said quite several interesting stiff... They just do not understand their own writing! They are too full,of themselves... that is a öroblem.
@santiagovisci2899 Жыл бұрын
I think that its not a question of evilness in the writting, but incompetence.
@TETASARAIVACS Жыл бұрын
Remember that episode in which we saw a blurred glimpse of Adar for the last 3 seconds? I think we’ll see some 2 or 3 seconds of “blurry Sauron” in the last episode of this first season.
@PeloquinDavid Жыл бұрын
I see I'm not the only one expecting to "see" Sauron/Anatar at the very end of the last episode of S01...
@FlyfishermanMike Жыл бұрын
You'd think with their budget they'd have enough batteries around to finish filming.
@tobsw3802 Жыл бұрын
I come to you from the awful future to inform you that we've had plenty of Sauron screentime since Episode 1.
@TETASARAIVACS Жыл бұрын
@@tobsw3802 😂
@shadara5370 Жыл бұрын
The british newspaper got it right, watching rings of power is like eating rancid cat food.
@NovRen19 Жыл бұрын
We called this in Exsurge Tolkien, since 25 March, now its a full apostasy of power, Join us for our counter ROP series, the evidence is clear, and none can deny that "ROP" is not of Tolkien. Our EXSURGE TOLKIEN that makes robustly clear the heresy of the showrunner's mouths and hearts. They probably know nothing of Tolkien's masterpiece, as evident from their interview in the Vanity Fair Article. For "they who proclaim to loveth Tolkien, yet understandeth, not his world view can neither hope to create a new film, show, or series of his secondary world." "Auta i lóme!" and" Aurë entuluva!"
@IUsedToBeAnAdventurerLikeYou Жыл бұрын
If we were still at the beginning of the season I’d be more likely to believe that it COULD get better, but we’re at the last two episodes which means the show has to improve by leaps and bounds by the finale to make the “it gets better by the end of the season” promise hold.
@Aurora2097 Жыл бұрын
Last episode was by far the best still. From 4 to 7 on it was the worst imho.
@fatthorstumtum6593 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, mentor JJ. The man who refused to make any movie these two hacks wrote when working for him. This just gets worse and worse
@philmarston9078 Жыл бұрын
All they have to do is write well. If they are capable then fine. If not they should step aside.
@wteverisgud Жыл бұрын
It being a labor of love is completely irrelevant.
@1brianshaw Жыл бұрын
I think the release pacing you're proposing is what the BBC did for the Sherlock series with Benedict Cumberbatch. That did work out well for them
@eddiemango Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, that show defo didn’t go down hill in the final seasons
@ConchienceClothing Жыл бұрын
I actually liked him as Sherlock but it did get weird
@mazztothemax1888 Жыл бұрын
What annoys me about Rings of power is why do we have to suffer so much pointless rubbish for something that has so much story to tell. 6-7hrs of watch time for it to start getting interesting where in that time I could watch two awesome lord of the rings movies.
@Aurora2097 Жыл бұрын
Agree. Cut it different it it gets you some decent 2 hour film!
@Linska495th Жыл бұрын
What were Amazon thinking, they should of just hired you two professionals
@Linska495th Жыл бұрын
@@robsterinside sorry English not my first language I only arrive on boat across channel last week.
@DoBap_ Жыл бұрын
All I need to say, is look at these guys’ IMDB pages… THIS is who Amazon gave a billion dollars to.
@frodofraggins Жыл бұрын
I tried reading the article but it felt like a fluff piece. I will give them credit for apparently taking some criticism seriously as the Wheel of Time showrunner never did (publicly) after the first seasons criticism. But in the end they aren't good writers and the show isn't likely to get much better without replacing them.
@wallacewyatt4023 Жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@benH215 Жыл бұрын
Nice review! Seemed a little too kind to gloss over the fascism and evil comments made in the article though TBH.
@braddishv3146 Жыл бұрын
They didn't just gloss over the comments buried in the article - the vile quotes by the writers is the title of the article itself! To ignore that is major mental gymnastics on Broken Sword's part. I understand they are trying to be positive, but to not even mention that in passing shows an incredible lack of character and self-awareness.
@madmartigan8119 Жыл бұрын
Complete start over without the current showrunners.
@kents.2866 Жыл бұрын
Right? And the writers, also the fight choreography people need to be replaced.
@mikem9001 Жыл бұрын
@@kents.2866 And please get some real armour, learn which direction the sun rises, and actually READ some Tolkien!
@basilforth Жыл бұрын
None of the criticism says, "This is a cash grab." The criticism says that the showrunners are poor writers and they need to stop injecting identity politics into their stories.
@Rj-pw7zs Жыл бұрын
I honestly tried to give the show a fair chance. In the end they bungled it so badly it was painful to watch.
@gurdyghost Жыл бұрын
I have tried so hard to like the show. Unfortunately for me, the atrocious dialog and rather weak story telling that is filled with questionable creative decisions keep taking me out of it. I have had a hard time wrapping my head around one burning question. How can something so expensive... feel so cheap?
@gwenallwood Жыл бұрын
Same! Literally same.
@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Жыл бұрын
They remind me far too much of David Benioff and DB Weiss...which does not bode well.
@dburgd99 Жыл бұрын
To be fair at least we got a good 5 seasons from them. Why? Because they had a great story and characters to start with. So did Amazon, but with horrible results.
@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Жыл бұрын
@@dburgd99 we got three good seasons, a tolerable fourth but the last three were disasters, they just culminated in the abysmal mess of season eight, but the train went off the rails much, much earlier. The pilot itself was a complete fiasco that had to be completely redone last minute so the signs were there from the very start. I feel these showrunners, who got their positions through nepotism rather than credentials or ability are the second coming of such folly.
@jmill1334 Жыл бұрын
At least they could mostly follow source material. They couldn't handle the jump off point from when they lost the source material and then basically wanted out to go do Star Wars and phoned it in. So at least they could follow material. I think this show would kill to have those guys because thats what most fans want is some sort of truth to the source material, which the current show is completely absent of. But yeah, they're not exactly high on my list if they do replace the showrunners (which they should have done already)
@patrickreilly2026 Жыл бұрын
If this show is a labor of love for them I would hate to see what they would do to a piece of literature they disliked.
@inspacenoonecanhearyoustre2930 Жыл бұрын
Damn right. Couldn’t of said it better myself. If these are Tolkien fans then I’m a fan of metal spikes up my arse🎉
@Jmike12345 Жыл бұрын
Tainted love….the series…😂
@SanoyNimbus Жыл бұрын
Still I don't understand how they can save what they ruined with season 2, 3 or ever??? The best way to save the world is to stop. Make like the company did with the first animated Lord of the Rings ... never finish ... And make something totally different with a new set of writer and directors ...
@joshramirez7 Жыл бұрын
It's a massive success, why would they stop?
@mikem9001 Жыл бұрын
@@joshramirez7 Its a massive success according to Amazon's paid propaganda. The way they cringe and lash out at criticism indicates differently, however.
@jkhristian9603 Жыл бұрын
@@mikem9001 Until people stop watching its going to keep going.
@mikem9001 Жыл бұрын
@@jkhristian9603 No show ever gets zero watchers so I am not sure what your point is?
@jkhristian9603 Жыл бұрын
@@mikem9001 my point is as long as many people are watching it it’s going to continue. Even people that hate the show are watching it, which adds to the viewership.
@mrfry3 Жыл бұрын
In letter 348 Tolkien states that in Sindarin “Galadriel” means “maiden crowned with gleaming hair” and that the name was a secondary one given to her in her youth when she was then of ‘Amazonian disposition’ and ‘ bound up her hair in a crown when taking part in athletic feats’. Tolkien elsewhere noted that Galadriel was unusually tall and possessed of a proud nature. So the “Amazon” part may not have the warrior meaning that some would impart. It could of course. But it could also just mean that Galadriel was a strong willed young female elf who enjoyed physical exercise in the first age. In the start of the second she was already 1500 or 5000 years old married to Celeborn and living in Lindon.
@himynameis3664 Жыл бұрын
I thought that during this time they are depicting her daughter was marrying Elrond. This Galadriel seems like the furthest thing from a mother, let alone the mother of someone old enough for marriage. She comes across like a petulant teenager at times... definetly not someone who has matured for 4000 years
@blaxpoitation8528 Жыл бұрын
@@himynameis3664 I don’t even think they’re going to introduce Celeborn on this show, which obviously means no Celebrian. At this point, she should’ve been married and had her daughter. Because ultimately, Celebrian marries Elrond. This is some weird variant of Galadriel. How is this the elf who befriended and learned from the Maia Melian?? Who refused to give Faenor a lock of her hair, because she was wary of his proud and haughty nature? This version of Galadriel seems like she would’ve LED the kinslaying. I won’t touch on Gil Galad right now…it’s just so horrendous what they’ve done to him.
@himynameis3664 Жыл бұрын
@@blaxpoitation8528 Oh for sure this Galadriel would be running the front lines of the kinslaying. They're already shooting season 2 and promising it's going to be so much better..this is what we get when people just accept the garbage they're being fed, not only accept it but stand behind and defend it. The "fans" that praised this show are the reason we'll have to hear about this hot mess for years to come and that has me really bummed out.
@Lfilpo Жыл бұрын
@@blaxpoitation8528 she was present during the kingslaying… she actually hid the truth when she was asked in middle earth… I can tell you are probably a casual reader
@NovRen19 Жыл бұрын
Bravo and join us, The forest of Professor Tolkien is being burned before our eyes in the fires of corporations as our 5th installment defines: The power of the Rings is fading with each passing episode, as we all hear Treebeard's cry fused into the corporate machine theyocracy and their subordinates, "a wizard should know better." If you have lost heart or grown frustrated, join us for EXSURGE TOLKIEN as we continue to defend the counter perspective to this ROP heresy series with another installment, "Contempt the third Heresy." It is overwhelming that the showrunner's rather than desiring to respect Tolkien's Tales, yearned to be the 'lord and god' of their own "private sub-creation." Now is the hour for all phans to realize that this show does not glitter and is not gold, and return to the Valar, to the truth. "Auta i lóme!" and" Aurë entuluva."
@TuggSpeedman.384 Жыл бұрын
I’m really hoping they take fan’s feedback seriously and adjust the following seasons based on that
@arielzajac Жыл бұрын
i'm hoping they cancel the whole thing
@Ilkvomit Жыл бұрын
Nah you can't listen to whiney fan boys
@justindevoe9556 Жыл бұрын
I hope not, historically that always makes things worse
@Rdude4444 Жыл бұрын
They should cancel the show
@mikem9001 Жыл бұрын
@@Ilkvomit That is a good point - the whiney fan boys who defend ROP are not worth listening to!
@philliplc Жыл бұрын
The only way this show could get worse is if Halbrand isn't Sauron. The amount of intentional misdirection and blatantly obvious red herrings would be unbelievably stupid and insulting.
@jamief1263 Жыл бұрын
Not sure how it can be a labour of love, if they haven’t followed the story and have pretty much made all the known and established characters stupid or unlikable. Every time Galadriel is on camera, I hide, as it’s pretty embarrassing, like watching someone make a fool of themselves on Britains Got Talent.
@braddishv3146 Жыл бұрын
Ha! Great analogy! And the viewers of the show acting as Simon Cowell, "Why are you here? You have no talent... I'm sorry dears." *in patronizing tone*
@jamief1263 Жыл бұрын
@@braddishv3146 let me tell you where I am ……. “I’m Out”.
@Wagnar6000 Жыл бұрын
Make a crap product and then blame people for not watching , what a joke. If they stuck to the source material it would have been a layup , instead they wanted to deliver the “message” and push woke bs . Plays stupid games win stupid prizes .
@Vendavalez Жыл бұрын
You can be more pacionate than anyone else in the world about something, but if you don't have the skills to show it, it is going to come out horrible when you try to espress it.
@Frogger Жыл бұрын
This series disappoints on too many levels. I tried to stay positive until I watched it. But with every episode I felt more disappointed so far.
@DreamMarko Жыл бұрын
What characters to fall in love with? Where are those good and lovable characters?
@micah06v8 Жыл бұрын
While I don't care for 2 years between seasons, I would completely lose interest if it was 3 months between episodes. I much prefer to binge TV shows because I forget what happens with long gaps. I find shows that release week to week and then have a 8-month gap to be extremely frustrating. I have to go back and rewatch previous seasons because I don't remember what happened. This is just me personally, but I prefer to binge.
@callan137 Жыл бұрын
That quote from 2001 about it being politically charged came out before the movie was even released. So it was not really a criticism of the movie and just a pure negative comment as he felt Jackson would not stick to the books.
@The_Bashar Жыл бұрын
I have been cringing for the past 2 days after I downloaded this to watch it later. You have handled it delicately. The showrunners made a bunch of excuses and I don't see any, 😱🤯 payoff, in the finale. The show just hasn't been done well.
@robertsimpson6033 Жыл бұрын
I took offence to the article labeling any fans who were unhappy and subsequently voiced their opinions openly as, "Trolls".
@brizzle3947 Жыл бұрын
When JD and Patrick worked for Bad Robot, none of their films got made. Which tells me they were such bad writers that not even JJ wanted to make their films. So then he sends them over to a competing studio. Could it be 4D chess to tank Amazon Studios?
@madmartigan8119 Жыл бұрын
They worked for 10YEARS with none of there projects getting made
@finalgirl640 Жыл бұрын
BINGO! yep! How did they get this job???
@finalgirl640 Жыл бұрын
@@madmartigan8119 omg you're the greatest swordsman who ever lived. It's an honor. 🙃😉
@patrickcompton4535 Жыл бұрын
If I have to wait 2 years for the next season im done now.
@iwantgoals1566 Жыл бұрын
It’s not like they built up a great head of steam with the first season anyway. So waiting 2 yrs for the next season would pretty much kill this project stone dead. Would be a master stroke by Amazon though.
@Poperman5771 Жыл бұрын
How can they call this a labor of love while throwing what Tolkien did in the trash.
@deadybrock Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see real quality writers put out a script and/or story boards for how they would've done it.
@douglaslindeman797 Жыл бұрын
I have a question that maybe someone in this group can answer. The Showrunners keep referring to the deal with the Tolkien Estate. Now is this John R Tolkien and family or is it Simon (Falcoenbridge) Tolkien's Tolkien Estate Ltd? Yes I'm well aware that Simon's name appears in the credits. But was John's group Middle Earth Enterprises even consulted prior to Simon stepping in.
@mikem9001 Жыл бұрын
I have no idea, but your question is fascinating. It will be interesting to see if anyone can answer it!
@integritymatters5114 Жыл бұрын
It is unforgivable that they portray one of the most powerful and wisest elves who is 9000+ years old as an impetuous teenage brat prone to being fooled by Sauron when in the writings she is on of those who did not trust his phony gifts or character. If you need character flaws to build upon, Tolkien provides plenty, why defame Galadriel. Her power in war was more akin to her mentor Melian and her girdle. Making her a sword swinging myopic cartoon character is horrid. The writing, acting and casting are all sophomoric compared to LOTR which had its own issues but those were understandable for the purposes of tying a feature film together.
@xact13 Жыл бұрын
If it isn’t Tolkien Lore and the writing is lousy, than how is it going to “pay off” in the rewatch?
@P_Petkov Жыл бұрын
Following the trend over recent years, my prediction is that they blamed all the backlash on bigots and not on the piss poor quality writing.
@abelbabel8484 Жыл бұрын
Precisely what they did.
@SakeBlossom Жыл бұрын
Or both?
@fatthorstumtum6593 Жыл бұрын
16:55 new ads claims we will see sauron tonight.
@francoaguilar2251 Жыл бұрын
They couldn’t do the spaced episodic movies because it would restrict the primary actors from taking on other potential lucrative projects on.
@Ilkvomit Жыл бұрын
It's funny to see the Tolkien fan base having to deal with what us Star Wars fans are pretty much accustomed to. I've learned to just sit back relax and ride with the wind
@mikem9001 Жыл бұрын
Tolkien fan base is much bigger, and has more consistent source material written by one person.
@Ilkvomit Жыл бұрын
@@mikem9001 yeah and I thought they were also classier but I guess I was wrong
@mikem9001 Жыл бұрын
@@Ilkvomit How are they not "classy"?
@killerboywr Жыл бұрын
It feels like the show runners didn’t really answer the bigger issues. I don’t really care about dwarf wife beards 😅 14:00, but the difference is when the fellowship came out there wasn’t very many people who rated the experience poorly. We are halfway through s1 (more than half), there should be an element of attachment and it’s just not there, for me.
@badgerpatt Жыл бұрын
I was unconvinced by the article because I'm still hungering for book lore. Copyrights aside, an explanation as to why so much of the show is "made-up" and not more recognizeable as an adaptation of Tolkien's story would be appreciated.
@jasonito23 Жыл бұрын
The book lore is in the books not on TV. Read the two volumes of Kalevala and the Icelandic Sagas. Amazon can´t do Tolkien´s story because the Tolkien estate was horrified by Peter Jackson´s trilogies that they vowed to never sell any more rights of Tolkien´s work. Christopher Tolkien did not like Peter Jackson´s films at all. If Amazon went ahead and did Tolkien´s story they´d get sued and lose. There are tons of articles about this. They can only use some of the LOTR material and make a show where the characters are based of Tolkien´s work. They are forbidden to remake Tolkien´s stories to film.
@badgerpatt Жыл бұрын
@@jasonito23 Thanks! I think my issue is more a question of why this incredibly expensive show isn't written better and the "adapted for TV" Tolkien material isn't more recognizable, not necessarily word for word from the book. I think in your reference to Scandinavian literature you're alluding to "The Northman," which I would consider a compelling adaptation. My point is, the writer's are not succeeding at adapting Tolkien's story to film because they have not yet told a compelling enough story that feels, not just looks like Tolkien's World.
@jasonito23 Жыл бұрын
@@badgerpatt I never watched ¨The Northman.¨ I´ve read Tolkien and from there I started to read the books and literature which have the characters and stories that Tolkien put in his stories. Once I did that and saw that most of his themes, characters, names etc. were not original. He never claimed that they were. So, I started to realize that all of these stories and adaptations are not supposed to be analyzed so deeply and these changes from the ¨original lore¨ had already been done. The Eagles, Gollum, The Ring, Dwarves, treasures and dragons, all of it were written about centuries before Tolkien. And many of the ´original´ stories were epic poems literally created to be changed by each and every storyteller and poet. I like the scenes, the costumes, orcs, Elves, Hobbits, Dwarves and the fight scenes. All of the connections to the lore, history, who Galadriel is supposed to be married to, her age....lol that´s too much for me to really invest time into in rating a series I just want to enjoy. And I just want to throw in that I read the Silmarillion twice, and it doesn´t rank into my list of very good books to read. (That was what Amazon wanted the rights to originally)
@mikem9001 Жыл бұрын
@@jasonito23 "Amazon can´t do Tolkien´s story because ..." Rubbish. Lack of rights did not force Amazon into any of the weird things they have done with Tolkien's work. All it did was deprive them of the right to use a few names. They still could have kept the character of Galadriel, Elendil, Isildur etc consistent with Tolkien's work. Their lack of respect for Tolkien's work (as opposed to e.g. Jackson's LOTR movies) is palpable. "They are forbidden to remake Tolkien´s stories to film." Again, this is plain wrong - nothing has forced them into the mess that they have created.
@mikem9001 Жыл бұрын
@@jasonito23 "Christopher Tolkien did not like Peter Jackson´s films at all." Decisions are not being made by Christopher Tolkien, but if he were alive today, he would realise that it is possible to sink far, far lower than Peter Jackson's movies, which look quite good by comparison, and definitely far more respectful to Tolkien's world and values.
@ardentdfender4116 Жыл бұрын
I saw this weeks episode, and does feel like the brakes got slammed compared to last weeks moving train. However, I also can’t believe that next week is the final episode also, feels like the show has barely got started and going.
@WMfin Жыл бұрын
As lazy reply from showrunners as is the writing in the show.
@agsags4122 Жыл бұрын
I know this is something that maybe could never have happened. But you know who they should’ve brought in as creators of this series? Fran Walsh and Phillipa Boyens. You know, the two who wrote the screenplay for the LOTR trilogy. I can dream at least!!
@melrobertson2743 Жыл бұрын
And not ignore PJ's offer to consult in the script OR FIRE TOM SHIPPEY
@BigEddsLore Жыл бұрын
lets face it it just sounds like they dont think they did bad and are just pr ing there way out of the suger honey ice tea , this show seems to be bad dodgy writting and some really dodgy set peices and saying that it will all pay off is a sign of bad writting and they really need to break away from the mystry box style of writting as it really dosnt lend to a good show
@jmill1334 Жыл бұрын
Saying that S2 is going to be amazing is about as empty of a promise as I can think of unless you see writers fired, rewrites of a script i'm guessing is already done, etc. These writers are garbage and they aren't magically going to become excellent next season. They're practically begging people to stick around and we all know why: It's the most expensive TV show ever made. It's likely already a failure given their attacks on core fans of Tolkien and more or less admitting that S1 sucks. They're desperate already for views and i'm guessing this show gets cancelled after season 2. Also, gotta add that the absolute dilusion that they showcase by trying to think their show is going to be a classic in 10+ years is wild. Like, truly astounding. Idk how these guys have gained this sense of confidence given a decade of getting their films shot down by a bottom of the barrel studio in bad robot, but i'm guessing maybe its failing like that for that long only to fail upwards into the most expensive TV show of all time..
@markjackson6026 Жыл бұрын
Paying homage to Bad Reboot and JJ Abrams as the one who got them the job definitely makes me lose any possible hope that this will have to become something even remotely comparable to a Tolkien work. Referring to Simon Tolkien as though he were the torch bearer when there was a known feud between him and his father about the direction of the Estate is almost laughable. Considering the Estate still hasn't released the rights to the work Christopher did to publish his father's notes on the prior ages to these buffoons, I don't imagine the 2nd age they envision will have much to do with JRR's work, sorry.
@RorytheRomulan Жыл бұрын
Payne and McKay lie and claim that the dog ate their homework, get out their tiny violin while exposing their delusions of grandeur, then smash said violin in our faces, saying "you're all evil, how can you criticize our work?" Get bent.
@kamakazed3747 Жыл бұрын
No one will be cult following this show 20 years from now, it will be like Merlin forgetting Morgana. We will all just walk way and forget it at best it will be a bad dream.
@jaytucker7873 Жыл бұрын
A huge issue with releasing an episode every 3 months is filming continuity. If episode 1 takes place in spring then episode 2 would have to shoot their outdoor locations during the summer etc etc. If you do a straight 18 month shoot you have a large portion of time to shoot one set and have a high degree of continuity, then change location for the next couple of months.
@mikem9001 Жыл бұрын
Seriously dude... You are talking about producers who switch the direction of the sun around 180 degrees in the space of 5 minutes, and flash randomly from night to day and back again, in the middle of a battle. Why would they care about something like season continuity? 😂😂😂
@gwenallwood Жыл бұрын
@@mikem9001 Dude! I'd forgotten about that. Probably blocked it out... XD Didn't they do similar things in previous episodes as well? Although it wasn't THAT obvious as in this battle scene. It's nuts.
@peyerfare5185 Жыл бұрын
I do believe it’s getting slightly better, but it’s still poor. The actress playing Galadriel is surely reading her script like “what the F”
@WMfin Жыл бұрын
In last episode those annoying characters died so it is getting better!
@jasonito23 Жыл бұрын
I like the show, but I must say, I don´t think they picked the right actor for Galadriel. She is clearly outshined by every other actor in the show.
@peyerfare5185 Жыл бұрын
Hope Adar survives, actually enjoying him.
@devo9699 Жыл бұрын
One thing that is certain is that I have not fallen in love with any character whatsoever. They have quite the uphill struggle to regain trust as of now.
@FlyfishermanMike Жыл бұрын
I don't know, that white horse is pretty cool.
@joshyoumans9037 Жыл бұрын
I would LOVE to see them maybe take a year off, and then that gives them plenty of time to start a release schedule that would allow a once a month or once every 2 months thing. You could give 6 episodes a year, maybe a little meatier or whatever. But not going years without it After it got reviewed so poorly sounds like a mistake
@Brinta3 Жыл бұрын
A show needs to be weekly. You lose viewers if you release an episode only once a month, because people will forget to watch and lose interest.
@samkecal5630 Жыл бұрын
I still don't get it. Have showrunners at least seen Tolkien's books? And if so, why is there not the slightest correlation? I mean, with the exception of misused names?
@bt0694 Жыл бұрын
On the topic of films being so much better, I’m taking my wife to see The Rocky Horror Picture show live for her first time on the 28th!
@khristophertanase3324 Жыл бұрын
I was initially skeptical, when I first heard of New Line Cinema's efforts to make "The Lord of the Rings' films. When I first saw the cast pics, however, I knew that it was a labor of love. Every one of Peter Jackson's cast, looked exactly as I had always seen these characters, in my mind's eye. Peter Jackson's "Lord of The Rings", was a true labor of love. Amazon's "The Rings of Power", is an abortion. The writing is shit. The casting is just god awful, and clearly a purposeful slight, directed at Tolkien fans. They've literally broken the lore. This is bad, fan fiction, created by casual fans with zero respect for Tolkien's legendarium.
@jacobsedbrook410 Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry I’ve already had a rant but please please please guys don’t settle for their man focus being they wanted us all the question who Sauron is then they have a gotcha moment at the end. Is that the LOTR show you wanted 10 years ago? Like I don’t know if there was a single person in the world who said to themselves “gosh I love LOTR I really hope one day they make a tv show that is a soap opera and their main focus is wasting time on who is really who”
@Schokoversum Жыл бұрын
The producers sound incredible naive. They clearly live in a different reality.
@Aurora2097 Жыл бұрын
I agree. They are not woke or into any secret agenda or anything... They are just aloof naive fanboys who have a too high opinion on their skills and understanding of the material while they seriously lack both.
@suntitan4429 Жыл бұрын
I thought they would have season two filmed by now now we’re gonna have to wait forever for season two not appealing nowadays when we get new shows all the time
@johnnyll91 Жыл бұрын
To be fair with season 1 being the mess its been them actualy geting feedback before being done with s2 might be a good thing
@kreestuh4367 Жыл бұрын
They've already started production on Season 2 though, so the writing portion must be done. They won't have time to fix it now, unless they delay.
@johnnyll91 Жыл бұрын
@@kreestuh4367 unlucky
@finalgirl640 Жыл бұрын
I love this channel so much. I've introduced my 7 year old and 6 year old to your lore videos and they absolutely love them. I'm going to continue the tradition of nightly Tolkien with them like my parents did with me. 🥰
@andygrams6344 Жыл бұрын
I read Hobbit to the kids nightly and LOTR - then introduced the '81 BBC radio drama of LOTR which they still listen frequently to this day, then showed them '77 animated Hobbit by Bass/Rankin, then '78 LOTR by Bakshi, then '80 ROTK by Bass/Rankin, then had them go through the unabridged LOTR audiobook twice before letting them see Jackson's LOTR extended. (of which they were immensely disappointed by Jackson's interpretation of theme/story/characters). Now taking them through Silmarillion audio book while keeping the Atlas of Middle Earth open by Fonstad, for clarity.
@finalgirl640 Жыл бұрын
@@andygrams6344 my favorite thing from The Hobbit '77 is the Misty Mountains song. It just captures the feeeling so well. It had a better understanding of Tolkein than modern adaptations! I remember watching the LOTR cartoon with my dad and thinking rodoscoping looked so weird at the time. Have you heard the Nicole Williamson narration of The Hobbit? It's amazing and I also have a ton of Middle Earth music I wrote on dulcimer. I gotta upload to my channel finally. 😄
@MBirdman Жыл бұрын
Showrunners should end their search for "evil" in the mirror.
@Janthdanl Жыл бұрын
What makes them evil? They made a show you don’t like so they are evil?
@RagingHeat98 Жыл бұрын
Cringe, just like the show
@elidasilva5558 Жыл бұрын
Nice
@MBirdman Жыл бұрын
@@Janthdanl wake up. They said critics are evil and the quote I used is a line from their own show.
@Janthdanl Жыл бұрын
@@MBirdman no they did not lol you know who they called evil? The weirdos who threaten people and say horrible things to people over a fucking fantasy show.
@yinoveryang4246 Жыл бұрын
They invested too much money to completely cancel the second season. I think you'll see some hirings and firings, so they can get a fresh eye on things.
@Loehengrin Жыл бұрын
Well now, it's obviously not a cash-grab. If it was a cash-grab they would have made it good.
@padenbang7375 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the video boys. Been fun to watch you guys on this journey, whether the show is quality or not. 🤘🏻
@jojolafrite90 Жыл бұрын
Whether... It's abysmal.
@roskelld Жыл бұрын
You missed what I thought was the most important bit: _“The entire making of this show has been a massive learning experience for everyone involved. We had no idea what we were getting into. No one else did, either.”_
@TheBlackAdder1964 Жыл бұрын
Why would anybody admit this!?! They may as well have just hired some chap of the street LMAO
@finalgirl640 Жыл бұрын
And also the part where all their screenplays for movies got rejected? And they never should have been given this job to begin with?? And it's not just the writers? It's the whole fucking thing including the blatant purposeful DISRESPECT of Tolkien. They called fans evil. That's the most important part. Fuck everything else these two fetuses say. Instead of admitting they did a shit job they attacked the audience. Real good.
@TheLyricalCleric Жыл бұрын
This is absolutely the most heartbreaking bit about the interview for me. Streaming shows these days are being pumped out with such regularity that the shows don’t hire seasoned writers anymore and instead expect untrained or first-time directors to also be whole writers’ rooms, alongside being production managers and directors and whatever else needs doing. TV shows like The Wire and The Sopranos lived and died in the writers’ rooms, where teams of 10-20 year veterans of different tv shows came up with complex nuanced plots with character motivations and stories that mattered. Nowadays the budget and spectacle takes center stage, so it doesn’t matter to the suits what the story is. “Story? What are we, Mad Men? This is schlocky fantasy BS, they say, little elves and dwarves and sword fights. Just make it up and the fans will lap it up if we give them a spectacle. Blow something up, show a Balrog or two.” The writing of RoP has all the hallmarks of writers who have never written a TV show before-what is Galadriel’s motivation? To hunt Sauron? Then what? Sauron is an antagonist, not a motivation. Take John Rambo in First Blood-he was a broken man who was pushed too far by busybodies and he went crazy and used his military training as he should never have. The cops would be writing traffic tickets if Rambo had never come into their town; Rambo would have kept moving. But their conflict pushes both an unstoppable force and an immovable object together with disastrous results. If Galadriel found Sauron in a hole and executed him, would that solve her anger issue? If she killed every orc baby in Arda like she threatened to do in the last episode, would she be fulfilled? She’d be a monster and not a protagonist. Do the writers know that they have written their main character as a villain when Sauron is supposed to be the villain? Are they trying to make her John Rambo, elf version? Because in the original draft of First Blood, Rambo kills himself. The character wasn’t killed off so that the studio could make schlocky sequels with musclebound Stallone blowing away hordes of unremarkable baddies. Is that what they want? Do they even know what they want?
@jordanmince7613 Жыл бұрын
wait what
@Gokkee Жыл бұрын
But they love middle-earth remember 😆
@inspacenoonecanhearyoustre2930 Жыл бұрын
Can I just ask? Why are you so gentle on this show???I love your videos, and I’m Tolkien through and through. I’m not a troll, I’d just love to hear how you can be so passive about this show when it’s such a steaming pile of orc shite…You must know this is killing your credibility
@mikem9001 Жыл бұрын
That's a fair comment.
@TheBennguyen93 Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@Xanderman Жыл бұрын
I LOVE middle-earth but I could not care to watch this show. Will def watch house of the dragon though, that looks really good.
@iwantgoals1566 Жыл бұрын
Oh man HOTD is crushing ROP so badly that I’ve even started reading Fire and Blood by RR Martin. The quality from GoT really carries over. I know HBO wanted to tread old ground by telling stories from War of the Ring but in hindsight, Tolkien estate turning them down might be a mistake. How they’ve done with HOTD and 7 seasons of GoT is proof that they can’t be as bad as ROP show runners at least. I know the nudity etc might be a concern for all us Tolkien fans but they could stop that by limiting the show to 16+ and not injecting the show with their own politics. Almost everything that’s been included in HOTD has come straight from the source material so the nihilistic/realistic tone that has been set was set by the author himself. I don’t see many book fans complaining about a departure from the spirit of the book series.
@spinspir1741 Жыл бұрын
So these guys (the showrunners) are useless and completely terrible at their job, but managed to get this one by plug, right ?
@whosgotrythm Жыл бұрын
2 years between seasons is too much but the every 3 months is what to long, hate the idea.
@gregjenks673 Жыл бұрын
they lost me at episode 5. 5 hours into it and I did not care about any characters
@GamingTremor Жыл бұрын
If they wait 2 more years for season 2, there will be a MASSIVE die-off in interest. What a huge mistake if the end up doing that.
@addex1236 Жыл бұрын
I mean the show is shit made by and funded by had people so why do you care
@mistaajones Жыл бұрын
Two years between seasons is a pretty bad model for a "tv show". Maybe if it was so extremely good people would rewatch the old seasons multiple times as they wait for the new one, but who is gonna do that with RoP? People (myself included) can barely get through the first few episodes.... A show like Yellowstone, or Better Call Saul I've rewatched everything over again starting a couple months before the new season to 'prepare'. And I rewatch diligently despite knowing every scene with their nuances already. RoP though? I stopped watching after episode 2 and was on instagram to keep myself awake during it.
@a.michaeld4981 Жыл бұрын
The show is called rings of power… my take? Cate Blanchett does all the Dialogues… Give a brief background to the creation and Fall of Arda and Morgoth. Talk about the obstacles middle Earth faced and what the second Age has come out from. Introduce Sauron as the new Big bad and start the show as young Galadriel getting her story explained by Third age Galadriel and enter the telling of this story. Each Race should have been explained through the eyes of the Elves, the first few episodes should have been a build up into what Saurons plans are, and the show should pick out from the beginning Sauron being Trusted into Sauron winning/Losing his War and Body. The story should Fill in the Gaps up too the Battle of the Last Alliance. We needed Characters we loved and seen them lose and die and how it affects the main leads. More of a Mythological tale vibe should have come from this show. Fate, choice, suffering, growth, love and Loss should be sought out in the story… The characters should come out stronger but different in the end. Maybe Galadriel wanted to push her people to fight, and losing those important to her made her Govern her people differently. She isn’t Sauron, there is no need to make her power hungry on the Offensive all the time unless her character is planned out to learn from that and Become the Lady she was by the end of her time in Middle Earth. I would have rather been scared of what is in the wilds of middle earth rather then seeing what is out there… people disappearing and dying without showing what is the cause (almost like how Jaws you don’t see the shark fully until the end) Rather then play it out with no fear or mystery.
@a.michaeld4981 Жыл бұрын
@@elessartelcontar9415 that’s such brilliant new information for me man great! I never knew Galadriel was born in Valinor or was over 1300 years old before travelling to Arda, or the years of the lamps and the years of the trees or their destruction into the age of the Sun and Moon, Your so smarter, I never knew Galadriel was 8000+ years old and was born experiencing all the ages.. oh “Young Galadriel” Yes I’m meaning actually showing her as a child and her family not like they did in the show except actually knowing the timeline not just blending in events into a short span like the creators of this kinda crappy show did… your so smart. Thanks! You know the writers said they have no idea how much time has gone by in the show or how to explain Galadriels age, because they crammed thousands of years into less to make a timeline that make no sense ? I’d love to hear you explain more of your cast knowledge
@EdoDoe613 Жыл бұрын
Really, they just need less erratic scripts. They do very well in spots but overall, it’s lazy and trite. PS I’m really enjoying the input, honesty and observations you both have been bringing. Yeah, this project is probably far too big for these two newbie show runners.
@federicaesu8580 Жыл бұрын
Two years is a too long wait , I think that most casual viewers and general audience will forget the show . If they want to preserve the hype they definitely should release one or two episodes at a much shorter intervals
@horsecrazyviking7121 Жыл бұрын
We have to wait 2 years in between seasons? It’s going to take nearly a decade to see the end of this show.
@DannyJane. Жыл бұрын
What series doesn't do that?
@nikolajwinther5955 Жыл бұрын
@@DannyJane. the best ones.
@grahamsimpson9086 Жыл бұрын
But isn't the likes of The Witcher the same timeframe? It's taken around 1-2 years for each season, Season 4 won't be out till next year either lol
@maulcrusader7106 Жыл бұрын
I would like to see them release half a season in the Fall and the second half in the Spring kinda of like TWD
@leonardodavinci7425 Жыл бұрын
What's TWD?
@maulcrusader7106 Жыл бұрын
@@leonardodavinci7425 The Walking Dead
@leonardodavinci7425 Жыл бұрын
@@maulcrusader7106 Walking dead should've finished years ago. I stopped watching it about 6 years ago.
@stuartpurvis8127 Жыл бұрын
They tried to make something that would rival the cultural phenomenons that Game of Thrones and Stranger Things have become, but that's not happened yet. The first series has been underwhelming to say the least with very few stand out moments. When a show is good and immersive I'll go back for a second viewing of episodes, but with this all I can think is I hope next week's episode is better.
@01Grimjoe Жыл бұрын
A labor of love would not have such crap dialogue or such haste in walking completely away from the lore. Also the rights don't include the ability to do whatever you want tho.
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