The Rock's Body ISN'T Always REAL! - Black Adam's VFX Breakdown

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With a physique as impressive as Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson's, you wouldn't think that it'd be problematical, but, oddly enough, DJ's body was the biggest problem the vfx teams on Black Adam had to overcome.
For some scenes, they actually had to slim his body down, yeah. And for others, they had to bulk it up, in fact, if you consider scenes where he had to be 100% CGI like the aerial fight scenes...
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Others that required extensive digital painting or augmentation over his body...
Others that had to be done by a stuntman...
And others that had to transition from the real DJ to his Digidouble.
Throughout a lot of the movie, The Rock's "totally unreal" body, was precisely that...
Totally Unreal.
Oddly enough, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson's impressive physique was actually one of the biggest problems the vfx teams on Black Adam had to overcome.
You see, having such a perfect body doesn't actually mean it's going to look perfect in every shot and there are actually many reasons why this is the case .
For example, just because of the way that some scenes were put together meant they had to modify parts of his body in order for him to look right; in some scenes, they had to slim his body down, for others, they actually had to bulk it up, and so actually, as you'll find out in this video, what you may not have noticed throughout a lot of this movie, is that parts of The Rock's "totally unreal" body, were precisely that...
Totally Unreal.
-Building Up The Rock
When it comes to superhero movies, vfx teams can normally foresee the type of VFX shots that they'll have to do.
There'll be digital environments to design and create, and futuristic vehicles to invent
There'll be CG buildings, and establishing shots
There'll be full CG shots, and digital backgrounds
and there'll be simulations and augmentations
But for Black Adam, in addition to all of this (and the mandatory "Running On A Treadmill" shot) the VFX teams knew that a large number of shots would require CGI versions of the villains and superheroes, and to create these assets they would need 3D scans of all the actors.
Fortunately, Weta Digital already had a high-fidelity digital Dwayne Johnson asset which they had created and used back in 2016 for the movie Central Intelligence...
And then used again in Jumanji...
And again in 2018 for the movie Rampage...
And in Jumanji: Next level, and again in Jungle Cruise.
Unfortunately, Dwayne's physique fluctuates quite a bit.
For Black Adam, he trained so hard that he lost most of his body fat so for principal photography that ran from April till July 2021 he was extremely lean.
But, when the reshoots came around in 2022, Digital Domain realized that his physique during principal photography wasn't the same as it was when WETA had originally scanned him for their asset, so they had to get a new 3D scan of the leaner Dwayne and then retopologize their CG asset to the leaner version of him.
Virtual Mass
Dwayne's weight change wasn't the only problem the visual effects teams had in relation to weight, in fact, the illusion of weight and mass is one of the hardest and most important things to achieve with a visual effect, and (if unsuccessful) one of the biggest giveaways that what you are seeing is an effect.
Take this scene in Die Another Day for example, even though you can clearly see the difference between the live-action footage and the CGI what actually breaks the effect is the lack of weight when Pierce lands on the wave.
You can see it even clearer in the 1997 film Air Force One, here the Air Force One asset is actually surprisingly realistic and the way the aircraft breaks apart is pretty convincing, but the lack of camera movement, impact forces, water splashes, debris, and the overall sound design all add to the feeling that the plane weighs less than a real plane does and therefore, cannot be real.
In Black Adam, the VFX teams also had this problem of selling "weight" but in addition, they also had to sell "strength".
Black Adam had to appear so powerful that to him everything was lightweight.
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@jey_247 Жыл бұрын

This video really improved my respect for what the team behind Black Adam accomplished.

@arcanewondersfann1567 5 ай бұрын

What they accomplished ? Black Adam was absolute garbage with low quality CGI just like rest of marvel/dc movies, King Kong from 2005 has better CGI then those trash movies for manchildren

@RilezGamer 5 ай бұрын

@@arcanewondersfann1567 You do realize majority of the big CGI in movies are done by the same company right? Weta Digital, the same company that made the CGI in King Kong 2005 that you're praising made Black Adam's CGI that you're trashing lol They also did Endgame's and both Avatar's and many others.. The reason some movies have such bad CGI is because of the deadlines, big companies give VFX Studios so little time to make so many VFX shots that some artists even said that they have to work on multiple projects at the same time.. You don't have to like it, but you should at least respect the work they do, even if it's not their best, because they sure are not the culprit nor the problem.

@arcanewondersfann1567 5 ай бұрын

@@RilezGamer Same company doesn't mean anything, employees change, I have multiple hotels and once management changes it's complete different hotel, everything inside changes, same with any different business

@RilezGamer 5 ай бұрын

@@arcanewondersfann1567 What I meant by same company is that the average person would expect the same quality CGI from both films, and while it's not always the same people that do the VFX (and sometimes are), VFX companies always hire very skilled artists, Weta Digital is not putting a newbie to do 20 VFX shots in 3 weeks.. Like I said, the problem with CGI in these recent years is that VFX artists are getting overworked and underpaid while having terrible deadlines to meet. Look at She-Hulk..

@lucky4d725 5 ай бұрын

when you want to be special and different.->@@arcanewondersfann1567

@sparketech Жыл бұрын

Love how you get into the nitty gritty of it all. Quite a lot of work and planning on the directors parts to get this all figured out with the team.

@amazingrelaxtime Жыл бұрын

@websterdrums Жыл бұрын

nitty* gritty

@NoGoatsNoGlory. Жыл бұрын

Quite*

@sparketech Жыл бұрын

@@NoGoatsNoGlory. 😅

@NoGoatsNoGlory. Жыл бұрын

@@sparketech you alright.

@BryBurger Жыл бұрын

If only the movie's director and writers put the same effort in making a good movie as the body CGI folks did! 😂

@oliversiwanzi517 Жыл бұрын

Bro I see you 😅😅😅

@sadmankhan9630 Жыл бұрын

Bro, the story was entertaining for me. Idk why it flopped?

@darkfalcon9 Жыл бұрын

The movie was gd though right? Not overly good but adequate 😕

@darkfalcon9 Жыл бұрын

Tbh with you, I would watch it again😕🤗

@joshuayoung1935 Жыл бұрын

I still don't know why they introduced the team in the movie rather all about Adam alone

@kemisomolefhi5638 Жыл бұрын

The Rock is a mountain, the classic action hero isn't sculpted. He's just big and intimidating, this is what made The Rock a movie star.

@user-xw4hn7lb3x 4 ай бұрын

Did you know, he has never been in a real fight in his life. He is also terrified of getting hit in his face.

@kemisomolefhi5638 4 ай бұрын

@@user-xw4hn7lb3x wrestling might be scripted but people still manage to get hurt, some even die. This is proof that it's not as fake as people say. So I'd doubt the notion that Rock has never been hit in the face. I know that he has a clause in Hollywood where his characters are not meant to never lose a fight but even they still get hit in the face.

@truephoenix00 2 ай бұрын

He still would pick you up with one hand and can throw atleast 10 feet away@@user-xw4hn7lb3x

@lowpoul5552 22 күн бұрын

What make him The Rock is the amount of asteroids his body can handle. Asteroids eaters ends not so well, ask Mr Coleman.

@donjoel6754 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the information man. It really inspires people like me who has a passion for cameras and VFX.

@jamesthorpe84 Жыл бұрын

Please reveal the green men assisting Joe Biden walk.

@atpray Жыл бұрын

This made me crack so hard 🤣🤣😭

@Muziqreborn Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@GildedWarrior331 Жыл бұрын

Lol 🤣

@huzzzer6083 Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@MaxMut. Жыл бұрын

G😂V FX C🤣RP

@BraveClam Жыл бұрын

This YT video was more entertaining than actually watching Black Adam lol Excellent video!

@sicknote1558 Жыл бұрын

Just wow this video blew me away love the videos learned a lot from watching 👀

@YoungSwaggness Жыл бұрын

This is extremely dope thanks brother 🙌🏾

@EddiePayG Жыл бұрын

I think the problem in this movie was showcasing Black Adam as an Anti-Hero whereas he should've be the villain but he didn't want to be a villain. And although he was the most shredded and they were all real muscles I felt something odd in his suit and look in that physique. Its a shame that long awaited character portrayed by Johnson finally appeared in a big picture but couldn't win.

@ratnakararumugam2582 Жыл бұрын

Rock had the best physique for movie Hercules.

@jordansdaddy203 Жыл бұрын

agreed. he put on alot of bulk weight and trained with weights hard for that movie. he was so huge and ripped in hercules.

@aleckto28 Жыл бұрын

@@jordansdaddy203 dont forget the metric ton of junk he injected. his dealer def deserves a shout out.

@jordansdaddy203 Жыл бұрын

@aleckto28 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 what 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 rock never uses roids

@aleckto28 Жыл бұрын

@@jordansdaddy203 lol yeah sarcasm is fun, you nearly got me.

@TheStraightestWhitest 4 ай бұрын

Pain n Gain.

@SNekGaming23 5 ай бұрын

wow. its incredible to see just how much work is involved in realeasing a movie. I'm impressed to see the advancements in technology. I can only imagine how many people were sitting behind their computers adjusting the lighting, textures, frames, must have been painful. great video btw! ✌

@PopePlatinumBeats 5 ай бұрын

VFX work be going up right up to the films release

@liamgross7217 5 ай бұрын

The writers need to spend more time now.

@DjOneCongoLeGrand Жыл бұрын

Phenomenal, they definitely did an amazing job with this film.

@DuGStp Жыл бұрын

I’m always impressed by the amount of gear old man Dwane the Rock hard johnson must be on to be the hugest and most rock hard he’s ever been at 50 something.

@apenasumeditorzinho4917 Жыл бұрын

Very nice brasil loved fame focus!!

@nehemiahpouncey3607 Жыл бұрын

Therapist:slim Dwayne isn't real. Slim Dwayne can't hurt you. Slim dwayne:

@hawaiianrussian1047 Жыл бұрын

The way Dwayne Johnson walks you can tell all those years of lifting has taken a toll on his knees and joints overall.

@ADAM_COLLECTS 4 ай бұрын

you think taking all the bumps during wrestling career had no effect?

@redactedandredactedaccesor7290 2 ай бұрын

@@ADAM_COLLECTS the average commenter knows nothing about pro wrestling but knows Rock

@ADAM_COLLECTS 2 ай бұрын

@@redactedandredactedaccesor7290 ah yes, they know a man who’s brand has gone beyond the squared circle

@saralee8084 Жыл бұрын

This channel dope sumn new I look forward too

@horizont6172 Жыл бұрын

When his brother Dwayne Johnson sees this video, you’ll be in a lot of trouble

@davidchu2001 Жыл бұрын

haven’t seen dwayne since his last hit film “the tooth fairy”

@simplesimon4561 Жыл бұрын

To Another Banana for Mr. Green

@FameFocus Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@simonkeli737 Жыл бұрын

I just salute the DIRECTORS AND WRITTERS PERHAPS THE WHOLE TEAM

@pengecatanmotor Жыл бұрын

good job

@amazingrelaxtime Жыл бұрын

i saw your channel when there were 100k and one video. you are great keep it up!

@bane_2xg908 5 ай бұрын

I appreciate this video

@tonyneil3944 Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah I can't wait to see that that's going to be a good movie

@monsifbabouche1109 Жыл бұрын

Keep going bro😏

@matthewdaniel1715 Жыл бұрын

4:28 For newton's third law, the term action and reaction are wrong when they are used because action and reaction don't occur simultaneously (same time). The third law states: when two body interact, the forces they interact on each other are simultaneously equal in magnitude and opposite in direction.

@mikuculus3720 Жыл бұрын

Simultaneous events are impossible because of relativity, what appears simultaneous to us isn’t to someone at a different velocity.

@matthewdaniel1715 Жыл бұрын

@@mikuculus3720 I'm referring to forces, newton pair.

@bruceolga3644 Жыл бұрын

Ewe cliché clone huemans should be aware that it happens simultaneously...👁️🧠👁️

@officialCHRISA Жыл бұрын

Awesome

@LittleTea62 Жыл бұрын

tghat's really cool :)

@13obbyviral77 10 ай бұрын

super great.

@dailynvidallasso4264 10 ай бұрын

Cool🤘😎🔥

@300desmone Жыл бұрын

So much work

@DRICHThaGreenKing Жыл бұрын

the thumbnail wild af 🤣🤣

@pepejimenez9295 Жыл бұрын

I LOVE THE ROCK in my country a lot of Gyms has his name on it he is a truly inspiration for all of us 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

@JayDagos Жыл бұрын

awsome!

@PizzaWithPowers 5 ай бұрын

It’s not even a Black Adam movie it’s The Rocks movie that’s why I haven’t seen it

@moedawg4061 Жыл бұрын

Wow a lot of work

@mori-bryan 5 ай бұрын

I have personally seen Dwane Johnson about a month ago at a Golds gym. I can assure you he is huge and one of the nicest guys you’ll ever meet. He even gave me a few workout tips! Super nice guy

@RollingDutchmann 5 ай бұрын

Juice?

@mori-bryan 5 ай бұрын

@@RollingDutchmann No I don’t think so. I believe he said when he was younger like 17-18 he did with some friends but hasn’t done it since. He eats a lot and works out a lot. I eat lots of protein myself and workout 7 hours a day 6 days a week and im 6’3 I’m 45 and weigh 276 lbs with 18% body fat. The only thing I take are vitamins and use protein powder in smoothies for breakfast and deserts. I’m a decent size guy. So no I don’t think The Rock “juices”. If you ever get a chance to see him in the gym you’ll see how hard he works. Good luck to you though if your trying to bulk up

@lucky4d725 5 ай бұрын

@@mori-bryan" I believe he said when he was younger like 17-18 he did with some friends but hasn’t done it since" That's such a huge lie lmao.

@ShR33k Жыл бұрын

It's a shame Black Adam wasn't a "box office hit" as I thought it was a cracking film. Probably one of the Rock's best performances, so I was looking forward to a sequel. I loved Hancock and this - I love the notion of a "super hero" (good guy at heart) that has a grudge!

@zohzie Жыл бұрын

Yeah....no

@nickwee258 Жыл бұрын

"one of the Rock's best performances". So... Jason Statham on a bad day?

@anotherordinaryfellow6935 Жыл бұрын

They like...put 2 plots at once, the Finale looks like it should be on the Second Film of Black Adam, its like they rushed it at the end.💀

@anakinuzamakihatake5366 Жыл бұрын

Well that’s the thing he’s not supposed to be a good guy even at Heart

@TheBoxster1998 Жыл бұрын

That's what happens when you endorse the worst President in history.

@RDAC 4 ай бұрын

I couldn't get over how much like Fatigue from The Bedfellows the narrator sounded like! Any chance that's them?

@MUHAMMADRashid-wj6fv Жыл бұрын

Nice man 😅😅

@lostherenegade339 Жыл бұрын

Wow that's cool when I was watching black Adam whenever he dosent have his powers after he sais Shazam he drunk down a lil bit and this is why bt very interesting great movie in liked it !

@razoblicavanje4231 Жыл бұрын

Can't give you money, but I disabled the adbock to support you.

@deucetrue46 Жыл бұрын

That thumbnail is wild 💀

@manoftomorrow5987 Жыл бұрын

That thumbnail tho...😂😂

@ov3rkill Жыл бұрын

It's actually a good movie. Not the greatest but it's entertaining as hell. I guess people are just burned out from all the superhero movies.

@thepeoplesanto Жыл бұрын

I agree. While far fro. The greatest film I've ever seen I enjoyed it. Bummed it did so poorly. Loved the rock in wwe but not a massive fan of his blockbuster films but I did enjoy black adam and wanted more. Thought it was better than shazam tbh.

@illahyates Жыл бұрын

@5:00 I dont think that Black Adam’s hands should go up after he drop the soldiers.. i get the “realistic” concept of holding the weight.. but being that he can lift mountains.. then the soldiers’ weight should hold no gravity to him.. being that he is so strong I feel his hands shouldn’t have moved at all revealing that their body weight is next to nothing for Adam’s power

@knight808. Жыл бұрын

Good point. Edit: Now that I think about it, kind of a good point but it’s arguable.

@booiggers Жыл бұрын

One of the principle of animation is 'exaggeration'. So him lifting his hands could be that!

@applianceandfurniturekingp5890 Жыл бұрын

Remember the same power is equal to his ability to fly so it would make sense since he’s ascending up and the soldiers are now falling down

@dogearmybrian7070 Жыл бұрын

wow just got the director fired

@Brook11223 Жыл бұрын

Colton Hoyles served as the stunt double body double for the Teth Adam scenes.

@Mr.Lightshine Жыл бұрын

Whoever is reading this, I wanted to say I hope you have a great day and that God loves you so much that He sent His son, Jesus, to die on a cross for your sins and He rose again from the dead three days later. God Bless! And also, He doesn't want you to go to Hell, but He wants you to go to Heaven with Him but you have to be Saved. How do I get Saved you might ask? Here are the steps below on how to get Saved! 1. Confess to Jesus that you are a sinner and ask forgiveness for your sins and Turn away from your sins. If you sin again after asking forgiveness of that sin, ask forgiveness again and try not to do it ever again. Jesus will forgive you! 2. Believe that God sent His Son (Jesus) to die on a cross for your sins and that He rose again from the dead 3 days later. 3. Ask Jesus to come into your heart and your life and for Him to be your Lord and Savior forever. 4. Build a Personal Relationship with Jesus by Praying and Reading the Bible daily and Live for Him Forever. I'm Praying for you and you are loved! (Romans 10:9-13)

@amazingrelaxtime Жыл бұрын

@carloa.portugal7859 Жыл бұрын

goodness gracious.

@unknown403error6 Жыл бұрын

the thumnail got me🤣

@projectoverhuman 10 ай бұрын

As always, it all comes down to people working BEHIND the camera. It's a lot of effort, folks.

@bigbuddha83 Жыл бұрын

Imagine how the VFX team that mapped his body again feels when they watch his cheat meal videos.

@xGoodOldSmurfehx Жыл бұрын

Honestly the most shocking thing in that movie is Pierce Brosnan playing Dr Fate Everything about that is surprising and shocking lol

@LivingRoomTVfun Жыл бұрын

What an awesome movie this was! Too bad we'll never get a sequel. :(

@chairperson8015 Жыл бұрын

What is a sequel?

@LivingRoomTVfun Жыл бұрын

@@chairperson8015 In film and television, a sequel is typically a follow-up movie or series that continues the story or explores the same world and characters as the original. lol

@bruceolga3644 Жыл бұрын

Ewe huemans...

@ctontz Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to PED Adam 2

@FrankwilliamsOsborn-dn4po Жыл бұрын

Wow 😮

@TasveerTvUrdu Жыл бұрын

@famefucus i am fan of ur content , 😍

@DO5PICE Жыл бұрын

5:02 He flew with a huge rock on his hands without visible struggle. Holding two guys would be like holding two paperstraws for us, have u ever moved your hand after releasing paper straw ?

@ThePublicPolicy Жыл бұрын

This weight issue is peculiar because if Black Adam truly possessed that much strength, his hands would not have lifted up after he released the men.

@damyr55 Жыл бұрын

@@kelvs45 But that's the whole point. You can't always make something the way it should be, but rather have to make it the way it feels more natural to the viewers. There's a lot of movie trivia on things that are done intentionally wrong by movie makers, because it feels right for the audience, while the correct way would feel wrong. Can't think of an good example of the top of my head right now

@RajeshSingh-hx2sc Жыл бұрын

I dont know if its real or fake, but I was always in awe of his physique. Somehow its perfect balance of size, shredd. No awkward oversize, not weird shredding, nothing out of proportion. Yes sometimes, yes he felt huge in front of other actors. But I saw way too monstrous body builders than him...

@Rabid_Turtle Жыл бұрын

That’s what PED’s do

@eric-ms3pz Жыл бұрын

It's real. Dieting + Training + PEDs + Good genetics from his father

@lucky4d725 5 ай бұрын

@@eric-ms3pz only in Dwaynes dreams.

@lucky4d725 5 ай бұрын

@venomklyntar9403 lies.

@justvers Жыл бұрын

Ahaha....That reward was fantastic and deffo worth a sub with bells on :)

@deathb3rry Жыл бұрын

this vfx breakdown is better than the movie itself lmao

@FelixLantiguaCamacho Жыл бұрын

WOW, HOW SMART!

@p0tat0_Child Жыл бұрын

Pierce Brosnan was awesome as Dr Fate. Would have loved to see him reprised that role. Sucks it mayve never happen again

@bossman9873 5 ай бұрын

Great video. This enhanced my enjoyment of the movie. It was a fun and entertaining film, too bad WBD decided to go in a different direction. It’s weird how fans got only one standalone Superman movie and only one Dwayne Johnson Black Adam movie even though him and Henry Cavill wanted to work together but WBD decided to create 3 Harley Quinn movies and 2 Shazam movies. That’s just idiotic when you take a moment and think about it.

@chrisgann8986 Жыл бұрын

Yeah i noticed that

@Dee1nOnly92 Жыл бұрын

The thumbnail😂😂😂

@RivaStyx Жыл бұрын

Few years from now celebrities won't even have to leave their house to shoot a movie

@rahulmcintyre2553 Жыл бұрын

Bro people have seen Dwayne in person and he is jacked as seen in movies

@UOAPlays Жыл бұрын

liar

@hassan5896 Жыл бұрын

I would like to take the great wall film

@newjak10 4 ай бұрын

Black Adam - 25% VFX - 25% Steroids -50% Dwayne

@coolestk21 Жыл бұрын

The double looks like Marvin Ross. I believe it is

@JBadge 11 ай бұрын

Bro is a real life toon

@user-fe8qs4gq1f Жыл бұрын

I like this video so much. If you don't mind, I would like to ask your permission to share this video to the other website in China for the embarrassing reason that KZfaq is blocked from accessing in China. Of course, I will give sources of the original website. Thank you very much.

@destractos 5 ай бұрын

It had to look like a feat of strength on The Rock's part rather than a lack of mass of the rock's part

@esparda07 Ай бұрын

1:40. Now I kind of get how reusing the same people save studios money.

@TravelingALAM Жыл бұрын

Mantap keren

@patsia0208 Жыл бұрын

The thumbnail of this vid showed us dwayne as "The Stoned" 😂

@digorico6728 Жыл бұрын

😂

@mikesilva3868 Жыл бұрын

😎great

@padmarask2573 10 ай бұрын

''Oh, he think he tough? He just actin', he The Rock''

@kevinjiang9980 5 ай бұрын

wait wait so... dwayne rock johnson's muscular body wasn't always real!?

@strauqq1 Жыл бұрын

Superman 1, 2 and 3 didn't need all of that CG

@spookyt8692 Жыл бұрын

We live in a world where big=talent.

@SirKerskii Жыл бұрын

Saints row outro cool

@GigglesBiggels 5 ай бұрын

I liked this film like the only part I didn’t like was the suit bc it went down to his shoulders and think the suit with the hood looked really cool wish they kept that thru the hole film

@omerfarukksener8295 10 ай бұрын

i knew it!

@Tim_Shu Жыл бұрын

I've seen him in Hawaii, he's a big boy 💪🏾

@Mr.Lightshine Жыл бұрын

@GRA2itous Жыл бұрын

@Ross Rick You did enough to comment.

@lolboychannel8028 Жыл бұрын

Are you sure 🦸🏾‍♂️

@GoldenBred Жыл бұрын

Are you sure he's just a boy?

@xhumdicx Жыл бұрын

Black Adan was pretty good for a DC movie

@leonidezmawlong7115 11 ай бұрын

I just wanted you to say hii!¡¡¿?? For me..,coz thiz will make you amaze.... I'm not wrong

@Nahan_Boker94 Ай бұрын

The thumbnail remind me of 2003 the rock but bigger neck and head lmao.

@kingten912 Жыл бұрын

What I really dislike about VFX artist's and general fight scene choreography artist's work is that in the finished result you're left with scenes like where the guy bent the baton over Black Adam's head.. I get it, you're trying to stress how strong he is. But does that mean the person swinging the baton is strong enough that he could swing it with so much strength that it would bend? Wouldn't it just bounce before it bent? Idk if they're just not taking this into account at all or they think the viewer is not taking that into account..

@pepejimenez9295 Жыл бұрын

You don't know the flexibily of that Baton so it is really easy that to happen

@kingten912 Жыл бұрын

@@pepejimenez9295 but the person swinging it would still need to be strong enough to send that much force behind the baton..

@trusivraj6173 Жыл бұрын

@@kingten912 Swing a steel pipe against the corner of a brick house, same effect. You just need to be *strong enough* not necessarily as strong as him.