The ‘Rolls-Royce’ of courthouses sits unfinished in Mora County
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@jimda49102 жыл бұрын
I built custom homes for 35 years. Every single homeowner told me the same story. They went to the architect and said we have $300,000 total budget, the architect proceeded to design a $ 480,000 house That ended up costing $560,000 to build. It would be odd if it happened occasionally but I'm not kidding it was damn near every single time.
@jordangarrick703 Жыл бұрын
Here's how to accurately budget for new construction: calculate your expected costs. Then double the estimate. And then add between 10 and 20% on top. Now you have enough money allotted for expenses. Maybe....
@jimda4910 Жыл бұрын
@@jordangarrick703 architect the keyword in my comment is architect.
@AH-wu7ys3 жыл бұрын
Why the hell is everybody blaming the architect. The city council had to approve the deal before construction began.
@eddyb15962 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking this. It possibly wasn't even the only version the architect made. My uncle is an architect for similar scale projects and does multiple versions of projects in the early stages. A high end, low end and something in the middle. Architects are laborers just like everyone else. The real criminals are the ones who said, "yeah this version of a public project the public doesn't have the funding for nor need of is the one we're going to spend the publics money on."
@bigredgreg12 жыл бұрын
@@eddyb1596, you’re exactly right.
@paulb55712 жыл бұрын
A bit late to the party, but a similar thought ran through my mind. The information given in this video is that the architects plan was way over the intended cost of the project and they accepted it anyways. An appropriate response would be to fire him for going overbudget or tell him to go back to the drawing board and deliver a plan within their funding limits. Instead it looks like they rubber stamped what he sent the county and then got angry when they finally got around to reading the price tag.
@topherh50932 жыл бұрын
@@eddyb1596 They are blaming them for the structural deficiencies. The building is unsafe as designed.
@jackhammer078jack42 жыл бұрын
How about we deduct the politicians pay. I pretty sure they will have issues with that.
@muffs55mercury612 жыл бұрын
I only stumbled onto these KRQE investigative reports just today. Never realized how inept and corrupt New Mexico is. This sounds like one big money pit. It's been going on five years now. Was this ever completed?
@thomasvalenzuela20052 жыл бұрын
Yes it opened in 2019
@josepharagon8259 Жыл бұрын
It’s in use and actually coming out nice
@buckiemohawk36437 ай бұрын
all governments are corrupt with huge money laundering schemes and payola that would make the mob look like saints
@samrester62542 жыл бұрын
How was that chairman, Martinez, still in charge of anything? The dude still didn't want to take responsibility and actually got combative. Tells you all you need to know about him. Just ridiculous.
@louisc.gasper75882 жыл бұрын
It's all you need to know about New Mexico. It is deeply corrupt in every dimension you care to examine. And who's to blame? The people who elect the crooks.
@akita96th Жыл бұрын
My guess is he is a MAGAT. They are born to be incompetent.
@joeywall46572 жыл бұрын
Majestic! Monumental! Ostentatious! Absurd! Abandoned! This is what New Mexicos government can do for *YOU*!! I feel so much better about my own state after watching videos like this. Congratulations, New Mexico!
@kokomokid40064 жыл бұрын
Arrogance exceeded only by corruption...
@SirNic41804 жыл бұрын
Corruption at its best.
@mikestand7144 жыл бұрын
every state needs a larry barker
@Odin31b7 жыл бұрын
Good job Larry!
@fxsrider4 жыл бұрын
The bank loan is also a tax increase.
@workingmansdead44-ug8hl7 жыл бұрын
The tax dollars that this state wastes on bullshit is unprecedented, having lived up east on the Atlantic coast,I can identify pocket lining crookbastard politicians and judges ,,, there ain't no shortage here.
@jeffreylasky27374 жыл бұрын
New Mexico government defined!!
@pieluvr73623 жыл бұрын
Is this Jeffrey who lived in LV if so long time ago 👊🏽👍🏽
@rogerbradley75094 жыл бұрын
A local tax increase! Go figure!
@marcosmota10942 жыл бұрын
I'm a New Yorker, but once lived in Alamosa, Colorado. The heating and cooling bills for the trailers has not been chump change. At least $7,000-$10,000 dollars in excess per year. Just sad, especially because NM cuts developers deals all the time. *"Hey, finish this building for us, and we'll give you a tax credit."* As a college dropout, I could list off ten ideas. Like taking 100 high school students and pairing them with said company to teach them a trade, and get the building done. It's embarrassing, that AmeriCorps NCCC has existed since 1994 and these jokers never called.
@rcs30303 жыл бұрын
And when they finally do finish the job there will be a big brass plaque placed in a conspicuous place with the names of the commissioners names. Oh, the county will be sooo proud !!! This kind of crap seems to go on all the time in New Mexico. Thanks to Larry Barker and KRQE for their hard work.
@bigredgreg12 жыл бұрын
Someone should commission a billboard to give honor and recognition to those dedicated stewards of taxpayer money who are responsible for the authorization of this project. The bronze plaque can come later, when the project is completed.
@samuelcantley55004 жыл бұрын
They put the money in there pockets
@mississippispider3 жыл бұрын
Seems to me that the county should fall back on everyone who had their hands in the building of this center.
@himhim33443 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the jail they were building in Detroit and they ran out of money halfway through. It was prime, expensive real estate. A billionaire businessman offered to buy the half built jail so he could develop the property and pay to have a new jail built somewhere else but the city voted *NO* 😂😂
@doctormcboy50092 жыл бұрын
prime expensive real estate in detroit? LOL
@masonc49192 жыл бұрын
@@doctormcboy5009 yea that's an oxymoron 😂
@craigjensen68532 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they spent something like $170M out of an expected $300M but it ended up going way beyond that which prompted the pause. Then it sat for 3 years while they paid something like $1M to run pumps and pay security. Ultimately they _did_ end up making a complicated deal with that developer which involved giving him the land and him building the new justice complex which is under construction. He demolished the jail but his plans for the site have been downsized repeatedly in recent times while he's still on the hook for the new justice complex and his mortgage company is falling significantly in value. He recently had a major stroke so I don't know how much of the operations he's involved with at this point but he is recovering.
@cesargalicia77003 жыл бұрын
I don't understand how this happens. Oh wait is politicians getting their hands dirty.
@dbadaddy73863 жыл бұрын
If state money is used for local projects, then it should come with the requirement to complete the project as funded by the planned deadline or future funds for any purpose are cut off until the money is paid back. This would encourage smaller, more reasonable projects and fewer of them. Of course, since it isn't the politicians' money, there will be all kinds of waivers offered so such a requirement would have no teeth.
@joelfromportland4 жыл бұрын
Their courthouse should send the sheriff to the architect, arrest him, and charge him with fraud of some sort.
@MyMomo174 жыл бұрын
The Sheriff is under arrest.
@tallthinkev3 жыл бұрын
Nope, the architect was given a job and the council said that's good and signed off on it. as for the contractor signed off as well. All down to the county. County inspectors should have been there once a week to check the work out. Or did they get money too?
@himhim33443 жыл бұрын
@@tallthinkev This. It's like when you tell a real estate agent what your budget is and they show you a home that's outside of your budget. If you decide to buy it anyways and can't pay your mortgage in a couple years it's not the real estate agents fault😂
@craigjensen68532 жыл бұрын
@@tallthinkev Bingo. The architect's job is to deliver a set of buildable/compliant plans to the client's specifications. He did so. They didn't state if the deficiencies were in design or materials/labor but I would presume the latter as I saw sections of floor cut out to rebar and other concrete work you wouldn't expect unless the buildout design was changed (which it may have been). The county would have put the building contract/plans out to bid and accepted the lowest (typically) bid and then built it. None of that was the architect's job. Architects often design alternates or variants that can be optional based on budget. But it's up to the county to issue the contract to build it.
@lizhaydon22502 жыл бұрын
More of my tax dollars and I don't even live in that county. Crooks in charge. It's not the contractors. It's the crooks in government that approved of the expense.
@servicarrider3 жыл бұрын
Jail time = decades. Seize every thing they own right down to their jewelry, sell it and put the proceeds in the county kitty.
@AdvancedUSA2 жыл бұрын
Wasting our money is something that bureaucrats are good at. Add lying, stealing, harassing us - etc.
@kenberscheit4804 жыл бұрын
who has snowmobiles stored in the building??????? fire all involved to this point and get new people in there that will do their jobs
@faithwhite64392 жыл бұрын
Homeless people should go live in it .
@MyMomo174 жыл бұрын
This is so corrupt the Taxpayers are getting ripped off by the City or County the Contractor reaps millions.
@plekkchand2 жыл бұрын
Did she actually say, "Mistakes were made?" She cannot be unaware of that classic bit of transparent dishonesty- it's a textbook case of government doublespeak.
@davidkaser74234 жыл бұрын
Can We the people claim such buildings and turn them into manufacturing ? We have government buildings half finished all over the US. They are paid for by the people, so why not put them to good use. Now that Chinese products are unavailable, Americans can see that manufacturing must be rebuilt in America for our own survival.
@LoveyK2 жыл бұрын
Manufacturing what? Tamales?
@tedvargovich50202 жыл бұрын
@@LoveyK I like the way you think😯 lots and lots of tamales
@LoveyK2 жыл бұрын
@@tedvargovich5020 😊
@jacksonhwyoming12642 жыл бұрын
Most of those people in the video starting when the Senators and then they got a big part of that money that just playing the part you know better than that
@1atrcooper3 жыл бұрын
Sorry taxpayers you get what you vote for...
@Freedom1rn6 ай бұрын
Taxpayers should be outraged people need to be in jail
@brambledemon12322 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the commission knew that they’d eventually find the money
@johnabbott38962 жыл бұрын
Just do a forensic audit of Peter Martinez, the architect, and the builder's finances....especially the way Nr. Martinez acted out on camera.....he's probably the weak link....
@NathanS__6 ай бұрын
The frustrating thing is that Mora used to have a magnificent courthouse that was constructed in 1889 in stone in the Romanesque style. It was the pride of the county but they abandoned it in 1939 and let it burn down in the 1950s.
@marvinbaca72995 жыл бұрын
Hope they voted that fool commissioner out of office!
@michaelsmirnov14693 жыл бұрын
Who else saw snowmobiles in building?🤔
@stevebarden20842 жыл бұрын
Ya, what's up with that? Expensive storage shed!
@ThatGuy-yf5je4 жыл бұрын
Use it for something. Send the homeless there. No need to waste more money to build homes for homeless.
@jordanhicks51313 жыл бұрын
So, send them to an unfinished building? Oh yeah, that's not a terrible idea at all! Lmao the liability that would present is massive! Not to mention mean and unconstitutional
@LoveyK2 жыл бұрын
There aren't any homeless in Mora County - for obvious reasons.
@davidcastain39422 жыл бұрын
In light of Corruption in US the Mora building project should be turned over to Homeless support services.
@chrisaustin625511 ай бұрын
Put the county commission in tents until the quit
@paveltolz66013 жыл бұрын
Architect and Contractor declare bankruptcy and the cost of the lawsuit will be added to the tab of correcting and completing the building.
@jasoncrandall733 жыл бұрын
Over time the county should shift more & more government offices into that new building. Good to hear the county is going to sue the entities involved in the initial construction.
@djquinn112 жыл бұрын
What the hell is going on out there in NM?? Corrupt from top to bottom
@TheRetirednavy923 жыл бұрын
I bet some politician made his family rich on this.
@andrewschumann46532 жыл бұрын
Of course they built at 12 million dollar building with a 5 million dollar budget that's government 101
@billsmith51662 жыл бұрын
Follow the money trail. Where does it lead? FOIA requests should be submitted. Who is responsible?
@robertphillips62962 жыл бұрын
Vote them out!
@teresaharvey7162 жыл бұрын
Larry you are the best. That's a fact.
@catman86702 жыл бұрын
Bet nobody went to jail! Sick!
@mikeadler27553 жыл бұрын
Court houses should be simple office buildings not ridiculous art projects
@lisamarieashby25233 жыл бұрын
Sounds like unintelligent POLITITIONS doing what they do best, f over their communities!
@David-dl3vj4 жыл бұрын
And millions of people want to go to your country,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,WHY.
@erikanders33432 жыл бұрын
sublease part of the building to law offices, law library and other buildings.
@buckiemohawk36437 ай бұрын
First of all building should never have been approved when it went over budget.
@MW-xm1rc2 жыл бұрын
Government doesn’t care how they spend taxpayers money! After all if they need more money they simply raise your taxes.
@danflores23463 жыл бұрын
Get ‘em Larry!
@omstout Жыл бұрын
1st Question: Why would any county resident WANT to use a COURT? Do the residents want to be criminals?
@marks8144 жыл бұрын
The World looks at the US and laughs hysterically! There is no shame in these shysters, they occupy nearly every government position in the US.
@jordanhicks51313 жыл бұрын
Idk, they didnt laugh very hard when we killed that Iranian general. Keep that in mind
@bigredgreg12 жыл бұрын
@@jordanhicks5131, I’m inclined to agree. Maybe we need a drone strike on a few elected officials who squander taxpayer dollars on Taj Mahal projects that they authorize without funding. I don’t blame the architect or the contractor for what the county authorized and approved.
@bruce98974 жыл бұрын
Tax Increase 🤷♂️
@shaunfletcher70873 жыл бұрын
why did the board accept the 12 million plan and why did the board not put the job out to tender IN COM PET TENCE
@MrChopemup3 жыл бұрын
Ok, We have a $5 million budget , Let’s build a $12 million structure. What could go wrong?
@sherri83474 жыл бұрын
They raised taxes to help pay. NOT RIGHT
@thatguy70852 жыл бұрын
When buildings are left like this… they rot, from the inside out.
@thomasvalenzuela20052 жыл бұрын
Imagine being sentenced to prison from a single wide trailer
@kcmatloff57076 жыл бұрын
wait, at 4:50. were those SNOWMOBILES!?!!?!?!
@catskrista4856 жыл бұрын
Casey Schmidt yes we need them here because it snowing a lot her and so the workers don't get stuck in the snow
@TheLastDeadCat2 жыл бұрын
Sounds just like MDC which was built on reclaimed land leading to almost half of it being unusable
@bryanblake86072 жыл бұрын
Common sense says if the person coming up with the plans goes over budget you get them down to where you need them to be in budget or you get someone else that can be well within budget.
@contessahinson2 жыл бұрын
Lol is it a casino??? What a fancy court house
@ToyoteroMundial Жыл бұрын
Follow the money.
@gerryhartung7362 жыл бұрын
This is the third project I've seen bankrupting taxpayers. Turn bldg into low come housing and keep county in Mobil homes. Oh wait, the politicians keep getting paychecks and live in rich neighborhoods!
@ronl24632 жыл бұрын
Poor government workers having to work out of mobile homes, imagine if they had to live in them like many people do.
@ellafields94243 ай бұрын
😂 Not ALL TRAILER TRASH Live in TRAILERS!!!!!!
@KeltoiMagus2 жыл бұрын
Not just the citizens of Mora paid, all state monies given to the country come from All our taxes, not just the county. We all got screwed. Why didnt someone just say No to the architect.
@maribelaguilar72702 жыл бұрын
Mora has vary small amount of peaple. Money is from all de citizens of NM
@jamesaulgur45562 жыл бұрын
Stupid people doing stupid things with other peoples money...
@Yourmanbiddle2 жыл бұрын
Telling you right now… money was used elsewhere and claimed it was for this building!
@jnicholaswildcat2 жыл бұрын
That commissioner should be fired
@samuelcantley55004 жыл бұрын
Cut there pay to pay for it
@MissionaryForMexico2 жыл бұрын
The contractor made a huge sum of money!
@PunkMartyr2 жыл бұрын
Wow its almost like they overpayed the developers and pocketed the difference.
@lorenreece16653 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't live in NM for any reason.
@jmarsian40172 жыл бұрын
Pathetic , Every day everywhere . Pathetic
@itwasaliens2 жыл бұрын
Seems like New Mexico has a massive issue with scammy construction projects. Everything about a dozen different videos from different projects.
@strengthinknowledge91312 жыл бұрын
Is NM the most corrupt state in the union?
@ellafields94243 ай бұрын
??? Not as long as we have NY.???😅
@jerryransbarger89272 жыл бұрын
This is got to stop...vote liberals OUT!
@marionholland66022 жыл бұрын
Mora county voted for what they get, don’t cry wolf to the world , throw the thieves out of office and county.
@johnpalmer51312 жыл бұрын
And just think, there was a time when people thought Bill Richardson (former NM governor) would make a great POTUS… yeah, NO!
@Tbone42tx2 жыл бұрын
Dam New Mexico Got a phucked up System.... This the Second building they have up there that's just sitting around empty the other being a museum that was only used for 8-10 yrs then closed... WHAT A WASTE OF FUNDS!!!
@dougclem77112 жыл бұрын
You should have a landscape to save WATER!
@bradleywills94754 жыл бұрын
Same thing is gonna end up happening with the high speed rail project in California. Pure government waste.
@harkinlucerojr.95802 жыл бұрын
THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T KEEP A A EYE ON THE Architect YOU SHOULD MAKE THE ARCHITECT PAY THE DIFFERENCE ALONG WITH THE PEOPLE THAT KNEW ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON.
@spooge332 жыл бұрын
The drawings have to be approved by someone. Just because he designed it doesn't mean it gets built.
@harkinlucerojr.95802 жыл бұрын
@@spooge33 IT WILL GET BUILT IF HE IS THE PERSON WHO HAS THE POWER TO APPROVE IT.
@spooge332 жыл бұрын
@@harkinlucerojr.9580 A contractor, in this case the Architect, working as a third party, does not have the power to approve his own work. It's called a conflict of interest.
@harkinlucerojr.95802 жыл бұрын
@@spooge33 HE WAS IN CHARGE
@harkinlucerojr.95802 жыл бұрын
@@spooge33 I LIVE IN A SMALL TOWN RUN BY THE GOOD OLD BOYS.IN OTHER WORDS THEY MAKE THEIR OWN LAWS AND COVER EACH OTHERS ASSES .I AM OVER 72 AND WORKED WITH MANY CONTRACTORS AND ARCHITECTS.EVEN A COUPLE FRANK LOYED WRIGHT STUDENTS ON THE BANK OF PORTUGAL IN SF. NEVER HAVE I RUN INTO PROBLEMS EXCEPT IN PUEBLO COLO.
@remontwachewicz61554 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Chicago
@AnonYmous-qg4ph2 жыл бұрын
Whats with the snowmobiles in the courthouse??
@rebeccaduncan62 жыл бұрын
Martinez how do these get elected and re-elections
@josepherkenbrecher56557 жыл бұрын
In California the state will pay counties more money for a building that is being leased than they will for a building that is owned. 20 years ago I worked for a county and there was one building that could house around 70 people that had 11 people sitting in it, that way could could maintain a 10 person average in order to get paid by the state for that building. That building was owned by the county. All the other filled to capacity buildings were leased. What I'm trying to say is it's always a money game.
@shirleywright86657 жыл бұрын
Talk about a ponzi who really got money from bonds
@cloudninetherapeutics77872 жыл бұрын
SCAM the taxpayers and pocket it.
@MrJonesy21212 жыл бұрын
I'd like to take a look at this senator's campaign contributions
@tvviewer45002 жыл бұрын
It's almost like they knew it would never get built so they built enough of a building to force the construction later.
@c4or2ey022 жыл бұрын
Seems like this is happening in ruidoso right now, with like 8 million for road repairs and the "repairs" are half done and worse than before.
@KeltoiMagus2 жыл бұрын
The Tal Mahal is a tomb too.
@paulkelly47312 жыл бұрын
Who selected the architect and signed off on the plans?
@thatfeeble-mindedboy2 жыл бұрын
Assign any task to a public governmental organization, even if it’s a modest sized little city or county government, all the way up to and including the U.S. Government, you run a high risk of something like this happening. Separation of the source of the money from the expenditure of the money brings in the reality of human nature wherein people spending their own money can be stingy, penny-pinching, tight-fisted, tireless bargain hunters who pore over the books in the middle of the night because they can’t sleep as they are so worried that they might have been taken advantage of somewhere along the way; yet those same people handling huge sums collected from immense hordes of nameless, faceless, dehumanized warm bodies (we’ve come to just calling them “Tax Payers” for heaven’s sake…); then suddenly they become capable of throwing money around like it was limitless, with their only responsibility being “just be sure to buy something nice… that we can all be proud of, and will look good to the voters. As long as voters continue to support the legislation and put into office the candidate that promises them the most “free stuff” - without regard for cost, whether in dollars or in personal liberties, without regard for patriotic duty, ethics, or setting of precedent, none of this is going to change. Something very close to this also dominates the world of those things typically paid for by insurance… like healthcare, for example; ESPECIALLY healthcare whose premiums are subsidized. This provides an additional degree of separation between the source of the money and the expenditure of the money. Even Scrooge can’t expect any form of ‘buyer protection’ or an itemized recipient for his taxes … he has been conditioned to accept that he will hand over his money, in the amount specified, at the time it is demanded, and if he might ask where it goes or what it paid for, he will be regarded as insane. Sufficiently conditioned to expect no accountability, the healthcare consumer doesn’t even look at the hospital bill, and in the absence of a buyer constantly complaining about prices and threatening to go to a competitor, PLUS being able to justify costs under the blanket of charging enough to cover liability insurance for the lawsuits historically brought in connection with any given product, removes from vendors any motivation to be competitive in their pricing. As long as the trial lawyers association has the legislators by the balls, this isn’t going to change either.