The Russian Conspiracy Theory That History Isn't Real | Mia Mulder

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Mia Mulder

Mia Mulder

2 жыл бұрын

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There are a few theories out there that all of human history is fake. Are they on to something? And what does it have to tell us about the modern day?
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@fgnnc7747
@fgnnc7747 2 жыл бұрын
“You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon.”
@nightfall3605
@nightfall3605 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@stillvreni
@stillvreni 2 жыл бұрын
this video gives a wild new take on Chekov 😬
@kai_fatallysapphic
@kai_fatallysapphic 2 жыл бұрын
@@stillvreni that's exactly what I was thinking! Before I just thought it was kinda funny, but now I...kinda find it *even* *funnier* in a dark sort of way lol...
@eskarinakatz7723
@eskarinakatz7723 Жыл бұрын
There have been some weird takes about Shakespeare, too, namely that he was French. He probably definitely wasn’t, let’s say there’s a 99% chance he was English. Why? Because, in French poetry, the stress is at the end of the word, unlike in English poetry, like a Limerick. (This would probably disprove the “original Klingon” argument, but I don’t think that the argumenter in question would take that “challenge” lying down. Correct them at your own peril.) There’s a Tom Scott video about this.
@VerbenaComfrey
@VerbenaComfrey Жыл бұрын
@@stillvreni the ancient Russians taught the Vulcans everything.
@inkliizii
@inkliizii 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a biologist, so I can give a nice explanation of why trees form rings! Basically, it's seasons. They put on more wood during the spring and summer, and very little in the fall and winter, because they need to photosynthesize to make wood. Interestingly, this means that rings on trees don't work as well in the tropics (although they still make rings, but based on rainy/dry cycles rather than cold/hot ones).
@kungfreddie
@kungfreddie 2 жыл бұрын
Is that how badly our schoolsystem have fallen, that u need to b a biologist to know how tree rings form? Thats something we learned in 2nd or 3rd grade in the 80s.
@hayaokakizaki4463
@hayaokakizaki4463 2 жыл бұрын
@@kungfreddie I'm a millenial and we learned that shit in grade school too
@mmlvx
@mmlvx 2 жыл бұрын
Thx for the explanation. (I didn't know that, about trees in the tropics. Interesting.)
@ladyofshalott
@ladyofshalott 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool!
@KatiCleo
@KatiCleo Жыл бұрын
@@kungfreddie ...people forget stuff they learned at 8 sometimes. Or they were sick that day, or didn't pay attention. Or in their school that wasn't covered. I don't get why you need to be snarky or demeaning about someone giving out interesting and useful information.
@user-bq1yi7fy4v
@user-bq1yi7fy4v 2 жыл бұрын
as a russian, i feel like you described russian imperialism really well. i like how you agnolaged the differences between how russians and europeans perceive nationalism
@MiaMulder
@MiaMulder 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I really didn't want to misrepresent anything if i could help it
@gorillaguerillaDK
@gorillaguerillaDK 2 жыл бұрын
As a Scandinavian, who really tries to understand the "Russian mindset", and has been doing so since I entered my country's armed forces in the early 90‘s, from a family where on my dad's side, Russia had always been "the big enemy", (my grandfather, his brothers, and a cousin, all volunteered for the Winter War in Finland), it's such a pleasure to see a Russian acknowledging that Russian Imperialism exists. Especially on the political left, where I position myself on most issues, it's still an uphill battle to get people here to recognize that Imperialism isn't a "Western" invention, and although the US and it's allies, including my own country, have done some messed up shit, it's not unique and doesn't absolve others from guilt. For a long time, I've been trying to warn people that the largest threat to peace in Europe was Russia, (simply due to the leadership, not due to Russians as such), but people were constantly trying to assure me that Russia wanted the same things as we do, and that the real threat is Islam/Muslims. It doesn't bring me joy that I was right, but at least it brings the comfort of knowing I wasn't just a paranoid gen-X stuck in a Cold-War mindset inherited from years of indoctrination. In my effort of trying to understand the mindset of most ordinary Russians I came across the play Boris Godunov by Alexander Pushkin, and the end of the play, in many ways address the mindset of ordinary Russians, as I understand it. It's not that you're all supportive of the New Tzar, but being "speechless", (in public), is an instinct of survival embedded in the mindset... Hope you don't take my comment as an attack on you, it's not intended as such, but it's just liberating to see your comment acknowledging a difference in mindset!
@user-bq1yi7fy4v
@user-bq1yi7fy4v 2 жыл бұрын
@@gorillaguerillaDK thank you for sharing your perspective! Boris Godunov is definitely an ifluencial play. there are other interesting pieces of russian literature about russian authorities and how russian people interact with them. there's a famous quote from Pushkin's novel "Captain's daughter": God forbid to see a Russian riot, it's senseless and merciless!" to be honest, i think we still have this overwhelming soviet legacy in terms of people's mindsets, especially with older generations. those are people raises under a totalitarian regime, it's embedded in them to not question the authorities. and, as you said, many people are just used to staying silent. this is just a general feature of authoritarian regimes. the people are not supposed to participate in politics. active support is not needed from them. they just have to stay passive and concerned only with everyday problems. russian propaganda machine is strong and incredibly influencial. older generations, who have TV as their main source pf information and entertainment, are subject to it daily. it's even getting into schools, as russia is progressively growing more and more fascist. I don't mean to say that russians have less ability or potential for rebellion. there are a lot of brave people who protest, in groups and by themselves, despite the more and more violent repressive actions from government. russia has a rich history of revolutionary ideas and ideologies. russian imperialism exists, though, is rarely agnolaged. in part because of how soviet government saw the term "imperialism". in the russian empire, many scholars called imperialism what it was, but after USSR overtook, only "western capitalistic countries" were supposed to be called imperialist. to this day most people see russian imperialism as "exploring new lands", "educating and bringing civilization to undeveloped people" and "friendship of Peoples". Russian imperialism and russiam rebellion are complicated matters. I'm just a general russian citizen interested in history and politics, and.i could talk about it for hours. I can't imagine how many interesting things a scholar would have to say, especially if there was more freedom to study those things. i just hope that in the future russians will be able to start a profound conversation about imperialism and learn from it.
@sbelobaba
@sbelobaba 2 жыл бұрын
"like you described russian imperialism" This shouldn't have been a discussion about supposed Russian imperialism, it should have been discussion about science. This is a mathematical problem, discovered by Fomenko. Why the hell ancient chronicles describing seemingly independent events have such strong correlation that is impossible to explain by pure coincidence?
@runakovacs4759
@runakovacs4759 2 жыл бұрын
@@gorillaguerillaDK I've had people argue Russia's relationship with my country was not colonialism. Russia came in, placed their own ruler at the top to govern us. When we fought for worker's rights and minimum wage, russians rolled in their tanks, air strikes and artillery to crush our resistance. Russia extracted all our uranium, without giving us anything in return.
@whatr0
@whatr0 2 жыл бұрын
fuck as someone living in the US who's high school history teacher was a staunch libertarian type who vehemently taught that the confedaracy fought for state's rights, 01:00:13 really just rang in my ears like tinnitus. it is *shocking* how pervasive of an idea it is in the south, and it made me realize how the former confederate states really act like a fallen empire. they feel a need to define themselves in much the same ways, but it seems like it just will... not... die.
@Adsper2000
@Adsper2000 2 жыл бұрын
Proof that history is not written by the victors.
@hayaokakizaki4463
@hayaokakizaki4463 2 жыл бұрын
You can take the trash outta the trailer, but you can't take the trailer out of the trash.
@bvailcards44
@bvailcards44 2 жыл бұрын
Atun-shei films made a really good video recently about How the confederacy really wasn’t about states rights. It’s so nice to hear the truth. Like an Ice pack on a bruise
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L 2 жыл бұрын
Another related concept which is pretty pervasive is the idea that modern American racism _only_ exists because of how “terribly” Reconstruction treated the southern states…
@lilithdvs13
@lilithdvs13 2 жыл бұрын
@@kaitlyn__L Nope. Racism exists because SJWs created it. No one actually saw it as a problem until white crybabies on the left started crying about it.
@spofet
@spofet 2 жыл бұрын
Exceptionalism is one hell of a drug
@akar4373
@akar4373 Жыл бұрын
This needs far more likes
@bangerslotwell1796
@bangerslotwell1796 Жыл бұрын
Cocaine is also a hell of a drug
@curtwildschutt595
@curtwildschutt595 2 жыл бұрын
hearing about the claims of new chronology and pin-balling between "I'm insulted that these guys don't consider any african civilizations Great enough to take credit for them" and "god I'm glad these guys barely acknowledge africa"
@Sillith-Billith
@Sillith-Billith 2 жыл бұрын
honestly such a mood, on one hand hearing about them just conflating important jewish historical figures was rude but at the same time I can't imagine them fitting judaism into this mythology would be very good lol
@z.s.n.
@z.s.n. 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sillith-Billith why don't you like black people?
@jcspoon573
@jcspoon573 2 жыл бұрын
New Zealand was once greatly reassured when a new Soviet map did not include them.
@elvingearmasterirma7241
@elvingearmasterirma7241 Жыл бұрын
Me, an Afrikaner: How dare they ignore the intricate history and cultures of African people! Colonialists have really done their part in erasing eons of history, cities, empires and complex geo-politics! Me, also: oh thank lord they africa alone
@mspaint93
@mspaint93 Жыл бұрын
@@jcspoon573 With the current state of things, I am increasingly relieved everytime I see us absent from maps
@gorillaguerillaDK
@gorillaguerillaDK 2 жыл бұрын
"Let’s make up 300 years of history" "Why?" "Dunno - as a prank perhaps!?" "Sure, why not" "It’ll be a blast, I’m already ROFLMAO"
@HipsterShiningArmor
@HipsterShiningArmor 2 жыл бұрын
It’s kinda weird that whenever people debunk the Phantom Time Hypothesis they never seem to bring up the fact that it would make the creation and existence of Islam completely incomprehensible
@wolverinexo6417
@wolverinexo6417 2 жыл бұрын
Explain?
@HipsterShiningArmor
@HipsterShiningArmor 2 жыл бұрын
@@wolverinexo6417 In 622, Muhammad and his followers fled from Mecca to Medina to escape religious persecution. 622 is widely regarded as the beginning of Islam as we know it and is year 0 in the Islamic calendar. In the years following 622, Muhammad and then his successors would regroup, take back Mecca, and then build the first Islamic empire that stretched all the way from modern day Iran to modern day Spain. All of these things happened within that 300 year window that the Phantom time hypothesis says doesn't exist.
@deadboltzz5199
@deadboltzz5199 2 жыл бұрын
It does make sense
@miro.georgiev97
@miro.georgiev97 Жыл бұрын
@@wolverinexo6417 Because Islam arose in the 7th century C.E., and the hypothesis completely erases 3 centuries' worth of history between the 7th and 10th centuries, which is precisely when it arose, spread across the Middle East and North Africa, and established itself as a major new religion.
@merrittanimation7721
@merrittanimation7721 Жыл бұрын
It's because they're Eurocentrists who forget/deliberately ignore there was plenty of writings from non-Christian peoples right next door during that same time period.
@klisterklister2367
@klisterklister2367 2 жыл бұрын
This comment section is amazing, so many conspiracy theories on history from around the world that id never heard about. The mythmaking needed to create a state and legitimise its actions is fascinating and terrifying.
@nightfall3605
@nightfall3605 2 жыл бұрын
A current one? Ancient Aliens are responsible for any advanced science or technology in the archeological record of any civilization colonized by the West.
@el_m3allem
@el_m3allem 2 жыл бұрын
"how many people do you know of between the years 600 and 900?" me, a muslim who loves history: well a lot actually
@troyschulz2318
@troyschulz2318 2 жыл бұрын
🙌🏻
@DanaTheLateBloomingFruitLoop
@DanaTheLateBloomingFruitLoop 2 жыл бұрын
I'm curious about Islam's History but don't know where to start. Can you point me to any good source?
@miro.georgiev97
@miro.georgiev97 Жыл бұрын
@@DanaTheLateBloomingFruitLoop It's a little dense but well worth the effort, but consider Ibn Khaldun's Muqaddimah. It's a 14th century perspective on Islamic history from the time of Muhammad until his own time.
@mspaint93
@mspaint93 Жыл бұрын
@@DanaTheLateBloomingFruitLoop Not religious at all myself, but after reading the Quran there are some fascinating youtube videos both affirming and disproving islamic doctrine and history, and its absolutely fascinating if you watch both Muslim, Eastern Orthadox, Athiest etc, videos and the back-and forths. The Quran, Bible, and Torah are both incredble books to read then follow with the analysis after, especially if you find Abrahamic religion interesting. And Muslims are incredibly devotes readers, so if you dont feel shy, you can go to your local mosque and theyll have shelves upon sheleves of academic and religious literature, many in English and with educational annotations too.
@daroniussubdeviant3869
@daroniussubdeviant3869 8 ай бұрын
is that 600 - 900 ad? is that how muslim chronology is dated?
@Critical_Capybara
@Critical_Capybara 2 жыл бұрын
0:00 - Intro 3:45 - Phantom Time Hypothesis 10:49 - Rome Didn’t Exist Tiktok 17:44 - Dating Methods 26:59 - Russian History 101 38:37 - Fomenko’s New Chronology 1:00:45 - Outro
@TheSubso
@TheSubso 2 жыл бұрын
MVP
@klisterklister2367
@klisterklister2367 2 жыл бұрын
Ta
@thecolorjune
@thecolorjune 2 жыл бұрын
This list makes it seem that Mia just starts giving relationship advice in the middle of the video haha
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecolorjune You can impress a date by talking about Russian history.
@elloingo
@elloingo 2 жыл бұрын
I like to play chess on my other monitor whilst watching these longer youtube videos and was shocked when Mia said the word chess as I was booting it up
@MiaMulder
@MiaMulder 2 жыл бұрын
The video was a Livestream, and I'm watching you right now
@thetumans1394
@thetumans1394 2 жыл бұрын
As I mentioned in the chat, this is a relevant topic for so many different countries. There is an oft-repeated idea about the indigenous Maori of my country, for example: It says that the Maori effectively replaced the Moriori (or some other group, depending on the flavour of the theory), supposed pre-Maori inhabitants of all of New Zealand. This theory was created by colonists to explain and justify their own colonialism by way of proving ideas of social-Darwinism and the like; proving Maori had displaced a "weaker race" would mean settlers could argue their colonialism to be "displacing a weaker race". Academia has found this theory to be utterly unfounded, but the idea lingers on the heads of many white New Zealanders today, perhaps partially for somewhat the same reasons as those that lead to the theory's creation. There are holes in New Zealand history education that are still being remedied, as is true for just about all countries that are based on a legacy of settler colonialism.
@fedyno4reviews
@fedyno4reviews 2 жыл бұрын
Why did they carry clubs and make armour then?
@thetumans1394
@thetumans1394 2 жыл бұрын
@@fedyno4reviews Who is "they"? What would be the significance of "them" making clubs and carrying armour?
@jaojao1768
@jaojao1768 2 жыл бұрын
I have read that the idea of the Maori displacing some original population comes from Maori legends. Of course many people have had traditions that some other people lived in their lands before (see the Tuatha de Danann and the many mythological invasions of Irland) so that doesn't make it any more true. As for weapons and armour, I do not know much about this period in history but I would imagine Maori groups occasionally fought each other
@FaeQueenCory
@FaeQueenCory 2 жыл бұрын
Kenraken here in the US do the same. They claim we real Americans killed off the original people of the Americas.... Who somehow were ⚪. Because of course.
@valdavermillion4545
@valdavermillion4545 2 жыл бұрын
Im a Russian kiwi, and, out of all possibilities, the only people spreading the moriori agenda I’ve met were Russians. Which is a weird coincidence lmao.
@onemorealice8916
@onemorealice8916 Жыл бұрын
So, as a Ukrainian, I want to say that your brief explanation of Russian history/culture/identity is more sane and nuanced than 80% of takes I heard from Russians and other people from Post-Soviet countries. I don't have any corrections, I just want to add some details to the video: 1) Fomenko repeatedly brings up "linguistics" in his writings. I don't know how English translation handled it, but in original it is super obvious that he only knows Russian and English at A1 level and doesn't care about learning any other language. Like he says that Red Sea from Exodus is actually Black Sea because Church Slavonic word for "red" is one letter away from word for "black" and so on. 2) The fact that he is a mathematician is very important in understanding why people belive him. Historians and other humanities scholars are percieved as not true scientists and basically propagandists here while natural scientists and especially engineers are glorified for being geniuses. At least it was like this in Soviet times, nowadays natural scientists aren't respected either. 3) While your description of emergence of Russia as powerful state is flawless, I want to add that some people argue that whatever can be called Russian national identity has its roots in World War II, that explains the whole "besieged fortress" mentality of all of the Russian nationalist conspiracies. 4) Also, later books add that Trojan War actually happened and it was in 13th century and it was fourth crusade and Troy is actually Constantinople. I don't think that anyone is surprised at this point, but it's too funny to not mention.
@ashphyxia
@ashphyxia Жыл бұрын
Те що Фоменко володіє фактично лише російською дуже багато пояснює :р Приєднаюся до хвали, робота (особливо як для людини що не була вихована на Дикому Сході Європи) дуже добра
@Pingijno
@Pingijno Жыл бұрын
Being a linguist doesn't actually require being skillfull in comunicating in other languages but I am certain he is using pseudo-linguistics to justify his crackpipe hypotheses
@erdood3235
@erdood3235 11 ай бұрын
Why's it too funny not to mention?
@erdood3235
@erdood3235 11 ай бұрын
Point 3 is like Zionism. I'm a Jew from Israel. My parents are Jews from USSR Ukraine
@user-qd8yy9lc4g
@user-qd8yy9lc4g 6 ай бұрын
You can still find Fomenko's advanced math textbooks in libraries! There is also a book called Mathematics and Myth Through Prism of Geometry ("Математика и Миф Сквозь Призму Геометрии") by him, pretty arthouse in my opinion.
@nervoussuffermaker
@nervoussuffermaker 2 жыл бұрын
As a Russian it's a bit surreal seeing someone in "the west" talk about New Chronology. Met it when I was a kid and wasn't sold on it probably because the guy talking to me wasn't a good recruiter and just dumped all the crazy stuff on me at once and I went "what the fuck are you even talking about???". I can see tho how if you carefully phrase it you can make a compelling case, especially to people who long for great imperial past and whant to "make X great again". But I guess with the current onslaught of Kremlin propoganda among some of the western leftists spaces, it might become more important to the english speaking sphere to start understanding what the hell is going on in Russia and what it is all about. Didn't know Kasparov was into that, but at least a number of people in Russian opposition and anti-Putin intellectual elite do have a worrying tendency of nationalism and imperialism. Many of which became more apparent during the current war in Ukraine. For some the progressiveness is mostly optics or a different set of criteria by which they think they are destined to rule and finally want their place among the people "in charge". I guess if you live in the heart of the Empire long enough, even if a fallen one, - the Empire grows into you as well. P.S. 46:20 - that was very good :D
@jordanetherington1922
@jordanetherington1922 2 жыл бұрын
@@pale_saint Ehhh there's quite a lot wrong with nationalism
@rosajeffrey6112
@rosajeffrey6112 2 жыл бұрын
@@jordanetherington1922 It depends on which nationalism ! For example , the italians in italy are going the way of the dodo bird 🦆 & 🐝s , 🐳 extinct. America should never have become a nation so germany would have never become a nation unless somebody killed Napolean , but bad people live long !
@solgato5186
@solgato5186 2 жыл бұрын
Is this related to the "Essense of Time" people?
@Watashiwadeus
@Watashiwadeus 2 жыл бұрын
It's not living in the heart of the empire. It's that the Russian libs are all Russian nationalists. Starting from the stars of the 90s like Novodvorskaya to the modern western darling Navalny and his team
@Yatukih_001
@Yatukih_001 2 жыл бұрын
When we the people of Iceland heard about how all the governments are composed of actors and our government uses birth names instead of pseudonyms we realized how original the idea of using birth names in politics is.
@mintjaan
@mintjaan 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a pescatarian because I really just want to mess with carbon dating.
@cyber_rachel7427
@cyber_rachel7427 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely based
@matthewmcneany
@matthewmcneany 2 жыл бұрын
Conservatism is, at it's core, an ideology rooted in a particular misremembering of the past.
@cowgirltheworld
@cowgirltheworld 2 жыл бұрын
yo can I steal this 🥺
@matthewmcneany
@matthewmcneany 2 жыл бұрын
@@cowgirltheworld I don't think it's called stealing when you take other people's ideas. 😁
@ArkadiBolschek
@ArkadiBolschek Жыл бұрын
And nationalism doubly so.
@miamivicemami
@miamivicemami Жыл бұрын
Propaganda nationalism YUP
@Morsa.B.Alto1
@Morsa.B.Alto1 Жыл бұрын
Along with a deliberate misinterpretation of the present and a woefully misanthropic view of the future.
@mariojardonsantos7568
@mariojardonsantos7568 2 жыл бұрын
I am Mexican. I am a mathematician like my father. He studiedt to university in Moscow around the year of the fall of the Soviet Union. The first time I heard about this conspiracy theory was 15 or more years ago. I even held on my hands a book called "Библейсская русь", that is, "Biblical Rus"
@haydenkinley5266
@haydenkinley5266 2 жыл бұрын
As a russian, every time I see my country mentioned I get this weird fight-or-flight response that's it's gonna be something slanderous and misinformed again, but since it's Mia's channel, of course I'm a lot more open-minded and it paid off Funnily enough, I first heard about New Chronology through western content creators talking about that tiktok disaster and by god was I simultaniously weirded out and rolled my eyes, saying to myself "of course it's russian, fuck me", I'm glad that I've never met people that are even aware of this theory altogether, let alone believing it, virtues of living in the Northern Capital, I guess (heh, I caught myself thinking that we don't really fit into the russian fold and are somewhat unique here, I guess it's the same sentiment, just on a much smaller scale and being considerably more moderate in nature) All in all, Mia has a good grasp on nature of russian imperialism and nationalistic ideas of people on top, both the current unhinged batch, and the opposition leaders too, they just word it differently, and in current circumstances, well... you can imagine what kind of bullshit they are spewing, in scary amounts too In any case, thank you, Mia, for this video and approaching the topic as you did!
@MiaMulder
@MiaMulder 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad that you feel I did the topic justice
@MisterSpeedStacking
@MisterSpeedStacking 2 жыл бұрын
haydenasha kinleynova
@lilithdvs13
@lilithdvs13 2 жыл бұрын
Just know that the idea of the West is nothing but propaganda too and most of us are actually on Russia’s side. Hang in there snd stay strong! You will prevail.
@Turalcar
@Turalcar Жыл бұрын
I remember hearing about it in high school (ca. 2005), having a laugh, and moving on. I didn't think people were seriously considering it.
@tingleblade4274
@tingleblade4274 Жыл бұрын
хороший узкий
@itsPenguinBoy
@itsPenguinBoy 2 жыл бұрын
I remember a friend who worked with an Armenian field trip to Stone Henge whose teacher proclaimed that it was built by Armenians... I found this hilarious as an Armenian who has had to hear many uncles bragging about how ancient kingdoms are "our old lands". It makes more sense in the west when you look at the concept of "Caucasians", and how that influences lowkey fascism in many countries... With Gary Gasparov being Armenian I wonder if that's the other side of his interpretation. I always think that a wounded people are extra susceptible to this stuff as a collective trauma response. Post WW2 Zionism for example feels very familiar to me as an Armenian.
@authomat6236
@authomat6236 2 жыл бұрын
Well, not "Armenians" in the modern sense, but it is now known, that the people who build stonehenge were not the native stone age inhabitants of britain. They probably originated in Anatolia and migrated along the mediterranean coast and then up the atlantic coast over the course of millenia. They introduced agriculture and therefore largely outnumbered and replaced native europeans and became the main ancestors of modern southern and western europeans. This was 10000-6000 or so years ago, so it has really nothing to do with "Armenians" or any modern cultural identity for that matter, but it is easy to imagine how this could have been twisted by hearsay into a nationalist tale.
@johannageisel5390
@johannageisel5390 Жыл бұрын
It's a bit sad. Armenia is a fascinating piece of Earth and it doesn't need any embellished history to be awesome. Urartu had been a thing in the time of the Bronze Age and Armenia is one of the oldest Christian regions. No need to have built stonehenge. "I always think that a wounded people are extra susceptible to this stuff as a collective trauma response." I can add another data point to that: In the eastern part of Germany (what had been the German Democratic Republic during Soviet times), Neonazi beliefs, conspiracy theories, and votes for fascist parties are more prevalent than in the western part. There is that experience of loss of dignity during the process of the Reunification. People from the west came here, devalued the life achievements of the easterners, looted the people-owned property and shut down the factories in order to eliminate competition on the market. So, when nowadays refugees come to Germany, you have a lot of people in the east who say "You haven't helped us back then - why are you helping *them* ?" I do not agree with this, but I can see how people can start thinking/feeling like that if they do not have the polical education and foresight to figure out who/what is really responsible for their anger. (Hint: It's not the refugees.)
@coldwind8116
@coldwind8116 2 жыл бұрын
This fits so well with how European fascism formed out of nationalist movements to "shape" a type of history for their countries. I can never forget how Szalasi argued that the Hungarians were directly tied to the Godvinian race of Jesus, and hence they were blessed to rule over the lands of St. Stephen. Fiction has always been a way for us to cope with reality, and it has been often take so far that it was made into reality in a sense.
@HunGyilok
@HunGyilok 2 жыл бұрын
they r without szalasi too
@HunGyilok
@HunGyilok 2 жыл бұрын
@@porphyry17 well the po pulation is brainwahsed + infested but the rest is the gods pipol no matter what - i dont care in fact but that iz it
@lilithdvs13
@lilithdvs13 2 жыл бұрын
The funny thing is that we all know Asians like to make shit up to give themselves face. So saying the years 611-911 is real because Asians claim so is actually hilarious.
@angelikaskoroszyn8495
@angelikaskoroszyn8495 2 жыл бұрын
I sorta knew every country has it's own equivalent of Aryan mythology but it's always strange to see it expressed by so many various cultures
@greyfells2829
@greyfells2829 Жыл бұрын
Even our standard history had huge holes in it. The magyars were asiatic invaders and modern Hungarians are ethnic slavs and avars larping as their conquerors. I don't understand how more Hungarians haven't realized this
@THATGuy5654
@THATGuy5654 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I wish I was still living in the time when I could see a bone-headed conspiracy theory like that as just a source of amusement, and not something to be concerned about.
@Kay-kg6ny
@Kay-kg6ny 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah every time I hear about a new conspiracy, instead of just getting to laugh it off completely, I have to worry what horrible new big*ted/f*cist movement is gonna spring out of it and make everyone's material lives even worse
@michaelwerkov3438
@michaelwerkov3438 2 жыл бұрын
i thought all of this was much more innocent 20 years ago... but even then, if i stop and really remember... it always gave me a really sinister feeling
@ceasemortal4318
@ceasemortal4318 Жыл бұрын
Look where we are now 🤷🏽‍♂️
@XRXaholic
@XRXaholic 2 жыл бұрын
There's a fairly consistent pattern to how a lot of historical conspiracy theories function here: 1. Observer that history is (naturally) a patchwork of individual and deeply subjective accounts of certain events, some of which are pretty under-sourced due to destruction of records, poor record-keeping and other well-known issues. 2. Propose your own increasingly elaborate and under-sourced claims about alternative events in history that make even less sense. 3. Ignore the way that point 1 applies to your own claims. 4. Rinse and repeat.
@ss_avsmt
@ss_avsmt 2 жыл бұрын
A similar politically motivated claim has also been made about Taj Mahal, where a self-proclaimed historian, P.N. Oak has claimed that all religions have evolved Hinduism, that Jesus was a Hindu, and Taj Mahal was a Hindu Temple. He has even claimed that Judaism and Islam have originated from Hinduism and the Vatican City, noticing the similarity with the Sanskrit word, "Vatika" was also a Hindu place. Even rumours like Shah Jahan had chopped the hands of all the workers who built the Taj were chopped. While all of it is ludicrous indeed, it puts into perspective how societies want to believe that they were the founders of the world, rather than being a by-product of the countless wars and massacres that have established their civilizations today. Very interesting video.
@lalitthapa101
@lalitthapa101 2 жыл бұрын
It also stems from Hindu fundamentalists painting the entire Muslim rule period of India as hell,especially mughals. And they for one can't stand the fact that Mughals built something like the Taj cause that goes against their entire one sided view of them. So they justt go "Well it wasn't them who built it". For them they have a clear enemy and they make sure if stays that way.
@tangentreverent4821
@tangentreverent4821 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think that India had either ancestor worship or hero worship and the Taj Mahal was built as a mortuary.
@zoelee-divito323
@zoelee-divito323 2 жыл бұрын
I find so many similarities with how Russia and China define themselves in relation to empire and the nation state,coming from an amateur on Chinese history. Chinese nationalism came during the end of the Qing empire and is greatly informed by anti-Manchu sentiments and anti-imperialism, with later sentiments about the Chinese nation having multiethnic national unity. Despite these claims problems of Han Chinese nationalism and chauvinism have persisted, and the modern nation state and territorial claims encompasses much what was under the Qing Empire(these include Tibet, Mongolia, Xinjiang, Taiwan,etc). Much of the modern justification is that this is rectifying colonial humiliation(British & Japanese mostly) that Chinese people have endured, but while understandable it provides state justification of Chinese imperialism.
@Elsenoromniano
@Elsenoromniano 2 жыл бұрын
This is also interesting for a lot of countries. As an Spanish I couldn't help think of the most popular around this parts, which would be "the pink/white legend" view of the Spanish Empire, which well basically states in it's weakest form that compared to other Colonial Empires was relatively benevolent and that all the bad things attributed to it are minor incidents blown out if proportion by Protestant scholars (that created a "Spanish Black Legend"). And in its strongest form that everything the Empire and the Inquisition did either was completely justified or a direct invention of those pamphletlist. It also remind me of things more related to regional nationalism in Spain, like how every region with an autonomy movement needs for some weird reason to have an elaborate conspiracy theory to claim Columbus as Catalán, or Galician ir Basque (which I don't know, I wouldn't want the corrupt genocide slave merchant tyrant for me)
@chrisball3778
@chrisball3778 2 жыл бұрын
I ended up in a small online row with some of those 'White Legend' people a couple years ago. They are very weird. It's a fact that Protestant historians historically often exaggerated the crimes of the Spanish Empire whilst turning a blind eye to the crimes of their own, but to get from that understanding to viewing the Spanish Empire as an essentially benevolent institution is just an insane leap. Even if you discount anything written by outsiders or later historians, there were loads of contemporary Spanish critics of their own Empire, right from the start, and a lot of Conquistadors' own accounts of their 'heroics' are quite appalling enough without needing any embellishment. Nationalism can really rot people's brains.
@Eerie_Canal
@Eerie_Canal 2 жыл бұрын
As an American the idea that anyone wants to claim Columbus is absolutely wild to me.
@Elsenoromniano
@Elsenoromniano 2 жыл бұрын
@@Eerie_Canal It's wild to me as a Pro-independist Galician, specially since the independist/ethnonationalist movements in Spain tend to skewer mostly to the left and even the more right wing parts of those movements (like PNV or PdeCat) would be more aligned with someone like Justin Trudeu and are not ashamed to point to the colonial history of Spain and the neocolonialism still existing today as analogous to ways their own cultures were and are opressed. But for some reason the weird conspiracy theories claiming that Columbus was secretly some exiled Galician noble, or Catalán Merchant or Basque fisherman always make the round in those circles for time to time in a kind of "Hey, we also want the famous guy".
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L 2 жыл бұрын
@@Elsenoromniano what a strange phenomenon. I guess people want to claim a piece of history for themselves. Here in Scotland you sometimes see people dubiously claiming they descend from this or that semi-well-known war man. (Though in a few cases it’s probably true based on surnames and stuff, but in many cases it clearly isn’t.)
@eskarinakatz7723
@eskarinakatz7723 Жыл бұрын
@@Eerie_Canal Especially because of the fact that he did things that would be considered war crimes and violations of human rights nowadays. He was not a nice man.
@patrickc211
@patrickc211 2 жыл бұрын
Important clarification about carbon dating - it is only considered accurate up to around 60,000 years ago. Also, the nuclear age has made it so we can’t date deposits from the 20th century onward. Fantastic video as always Mia!
@Freshie207
@Freshie207 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah as a Paleontologist, we mostly use comparative Stratigraphy more so than Radiometrics. And yeah when we do use Radiometrics it's usually something like Uranium 238 dating, rather than Carbon 14. Though Pleistocene mega fauna guys do use Carbon sometimes.
@michaelwerkov3438
@michaelwerkov3438 2 жыл бұрын
question... what part of the "nuclear age" caused that? was radiocarbon a component of fallout? and how long would (which?) type of nuclear activity have to cease in order to make radiocarbon dating useful for the post20th century world
@johannageisel5390
@johannageisel5390 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelwerkov3438 Look up "Bomb pulse" in the Wikipedia.
@clapanse
@clapanse 10 ай бұрын
Carbon specifically, sure, but radioisotope dating can cover basically all the way back to the age of the earth, you just have to choose the correct isotopes for your expected date range. As you said, carbon is good to 50-60k years or so, but potassium 40 is good from 10k up to a billion at least, and uranium lead dating is good from 10 million up to beyond the age of the solar system.
@Bannschwert
@Bannschwert 2 жыл бұрын
As for other countries: Here in Germany we have a *huge* problem with how we talk about the average German's role in Nazi Germany. The usual line goes along of "Most Germans were only victims or didn't even know what was happening, it was only a few Nazis who did all the bad things! Also there were no more Nazis after the Nürnberg Trials". This, of course, is a lot of bullshit. For one a lot of German corporations got big during Nazi Germany (by "buying" Jewish industry, resources and land, as well as by using slave labour from POWs and concentration camps), on the other hand the German population was very much compliant. Of course not everyone was a die-hard Nazi, but they were supported and seen as "right" for most of it. Not talking about this means, we don't learn how problematic complacency and passivity are! As for the "no more Nazis": a lot of teachers from Nazi Germany continued to teach after the defeat. They were still Nazis though, even if they couldn't admit it as openly. And then again there were still a lot of families and companies (in Germany they are usually connected) who made massive profits under the Nazis and continued to work mostly uninterrupted to this day. A result of that is some of our richest countrymen funding our neo Nazi movements and parties. Hooray... So yeah... we *definetly* learnt from history.
@Turalcar
@Turalcar Жыл бұрын
German corporations != German people
@HeadsFullOfEyeballs
@HeadsFullOfEyeballs Жыл бұрын
_"Most Germans were only victims or didn't even know what was happening, it was only a few Nazis who did all the bad things! Also there were no more Nazis after the Nürnberg Trials"_ I really don't think this is the mainstream perspective in Germany these days. It was an appealing narrative post-war when people had to explain away their own complicity, but that isn't really needed anymore unless you're 90 years old. I'd only expect to hear that kind of narrative from far-right types today.
@Bannschwert
@Bannschwert Жыл бұрын
@@HeadsFullOfEyeballs Nah, that's mainstream centre to right narrative. The far-right is back to denying responsibility or the holocaust alltogether. We're still really bad at publicly acknowlodging our past. Our Minister of Finance tryed to weasel out of paying holocaust suvivors just some weeks ago because of "budgetary reasons". Well... he's libertarian, so you can guess where it's going.
@dylanrodrigues
@dylanrodrigues Жыл бұрын
This is what struck me after finishing Richard Evans’ trilogy on the Third Reich. After the war, a lot of the judges, policemen, teachers, professors, doctors… quite a few of them either straight up participated in war crimes or at least tacitly supported Nazi ideology… just continued working and faced no consequences, like nothing happened.
@Bannschwert
@Bannschwert Жыл бұрын
@@dylanrodrigues Yeah, we never really got rid of the Nazis... to this day. That's a problem again
@DavidJamesHenry
@DavidJamesHenry 2 жыл бұрын
As the son of a Soviet American immigrant I mostly watched this video and clapped along because my family in Fresno California is big on this Russian conspiracy hypetrain. My babushka has dementia so I listen to her rant and rave about how Russia is under attack without arguing with her. It is nice to hear a breakdown of where her worldview and insecurities come from.
@jeeperssmith
@jeeperssmith Жыл бұрын
Maybe you could field the question I came here with, before seeing the wall o' comments: how long has this 'theory' held traction? I recall meeting a young-ish Russian immigrant almost a decade ago now who was known as "Crazy Andy"; he bought our mutual friend and I a beer, but I couldn't help mercilessly tearing into him for educating us on this matter as well as echoes of the Tartaria theory mentioned in another of Mia's videos. Oh, sprinkle in a claim about how true ethnic Russians like him are a vanishing race. He incurred the headstrong fury of a Polish woman from Detroit with a Tatar babcia and a passion for History. And now I'm seeing references to these same ideas as a movement?
@iz3972
@iz3972 2 жыл бұрын
I am from Belarus, and we studied history both through the entire school and then uni (regardless what your major was). And it was a strange realization years later just how much time and brain-space had been wasted on basically fanfiction version of history. I've never particularly payed attention in those classes and definitely did not build my idea of the country through them, as even during my time in school history textbooks were re-written several times and everyone was just collectively expected to pretend nothing happened. Plus my parents' generation is right when the Soviet collapsed, so at least in my household any sort of official media, textbooks etc were taken w a grain of salt. However even so I still find pieces of history that apparently didn't happen like I thought cuz propaganda in schools told me otherwise...
@sycastells1212
@sycastells1212 2 жыл бұрын
The plant word for "born" is "germinated"
@ernststravoblofeld
@ernststravoblofeld 2 жыл бұрын
I insist life begins at pollination! (Sorry, I'll show myself out...)
@klisterklister2367
@klisterklister2367 2 жыл бұрын
@@ernststravoblofeld i laughed thank you for that
@SovietReunionYT
@SovietReunionYT 2 жыл бұрын
My mother is into the Bulgarian version of this. Where Bulgarians are an ancient people who traveled all around the world and founded all the great ancient civilizations and cities and built all the great monuments and invented writing and also they're god's chosen people and Jesus was Bulgarian. But it's not as elaborate as the Russian version, there's no fake chronology to back it up, it just casually dismisses real history as a foreign fabrication aimed at hiding Bulgarians' true history and intended position as god's chosen people. In fact my mother is a groupie for one of the most prominent fake historians advancing this narrative. She helps organize his meetings with existing and potential followers. That guy has also received positive coverage on the national state-owned and tax-funded TV channels. Which have sadly had a far-right leaning for a while now, despite there having been a moderate right and pro-western government in power for over a decade. I suspect this has to do with said government mostly wanting to privatize the remaining state media, but knowing they couldnt get away with such an unpopular move, so they left it to its own devices while waiting for the right time to get rid of it. And now that they're out of power, the new centrist government is too busy with constant crises to bother investigating the state media. So we're still stuck with them doing shit like this.
@sbelobaba
@sbelobaba 2 жыл бұрын
Reading the New Chronology books I discovered that the biggest library of the ancient Ottoman empire texts are now in St-Petersbourg. The second biggest library is in... Bulgaria! Around 100 years ago you guys bought it from falling apart Ottoman empire by the price of paper waste. Right, wrong?
@invidusspectator3920
@invidusspectator3920 2 жыл бұрын
In Serbia we have similar crazy nationalist conspiracy theories that all of our history that is taught at a higher university level was written as part of a conspiracy theory by a joint effort of a certain Viennese-Berlin school of history ( yes, they seriously call it that ) to rewrite Serbian history for it to fit into the imperial narratives of the German and Austro-Hungarian empires, thus making it easier for them to conquer and subdue Serbia. According to them they left huge amounts of ancient and medieval Serbian history out of our historiography, believing for example that the Slavic migrations to the Balkans are a made up conspiracy theory used to obscure the fact that Serbs have had a continuous presence within the Balkans for millenia and it goes on. Truly crazy crackpot shit like that.
@Bbq7272
@Bbq7272 2 жыл бұрын
L
@Bbq7272
@Bbq7272 2 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of the Bulgarian Jesus
@sharkofjoy
@sharkofjoy Жыл бұрын
privatizing everything doesn't solve any problems by itself. The US is the perfect example of this.
@steveharrison76
@steveharrison76 2 жыл бұрын
I’m English, and I find this conspiracy theory profoundly insulting, because we all know that Churchill did all that stuff, and that’s why he’s on the five pound note. Jokes aside, it is saddening how often people are so ready to ascribe great acts of profound evil (whether that be actual colonialism, all the way up to the supposedly ‘victimless’ crime of ignoring the entire continent of Africa as an active contributor to global history) as “we did that stuff, because we’re fucking awesome! Yay! Empire!”
@sapphiria39
@sapphiria39 2 жыл бұрын
It sounds like Fomenko's work says a lot more about collective human behavior than human history. Like, if there are that many mathematical similarities between different societies over a large period of time, that seems like something that could be analyzed from a psychological perspective.
@TwoForFlinchin1
@TwoForFlinchin1 2 жыл бұрын
Are you trying to tell me that humans are similar to other humans in different places?
@arachnofiend2859
@arachnofiend2859 2 жыл бұрын
Humans fuckin love river valleys, no matter where we are
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 2 жыл бұрын
So what you're saying is that a lot of events that happen in history have strong similarities to other events. It's like history, like... repeats itself, or something. Yeah, "history repeats itself." I think I just came up with that.
@royceroyce7715
@royceroyce7715 Жыл бұрын
@@arachnofiend2859 😂😂😂 preach
@veryde_3356
@veryde_3356 2 жыл бұрын
As a German, we handle our history in a very mixed way. We are brutally honest with a lot of the Third Reich stuff but when it comes to the German Democratic Republic, the Weimar Republic or even the German Empire, we skew a lot of stuff. We are partially putting horrendous stuff like Bismarck's politics in a flattering light or giving stuff like the political instability of the Weimar republic a nostalgic spin, almost romanticizing this time a bit, making it out to be way more liberal and stable than it used to be. Not to mention that we just ignore the continuation of Nazis as heads of state in the new German Republic and also a lot of the east is very nostalgic about the German Democratic Republic. Over all, though, I guess we are one of the more matter-of-fact countries with our history, especially in comparison to countries like China, the US or Japan.
@TheSubso
@TheSubso 2 жыл бұрын
It's not easy to find motivation to work together if all recent history, all the struggle and effort seems to been for nought. We Germans are an odd bunch.
@BlisaBLisa
@BlisaBLisa 2 жыл бұрын
thats intresting, I always thought germany was pretty honest about its bad parts of history. the US is definitely not great about being honest about the bad stuff in our history, I feel like its a lot more common and socially acceptable to deny the native American genocide than it is to deny the holocaust
@veryde_3356
@veryde_3356 2 жыл бұрын
@@BlisaBLisa I think we are very good when it comes to talking about the atrocities of the Third Reich, especially on a state level. This is the most important stuff and it gets handled well. The other topics mentioned are just not that intensely discussed, but there is no strict narrative told in schools to idolize Bismarck's politics, for example. What we are really terrible at is coping with our colonial past, though. The German Empire committed a genocide against the Herero which took us 112 years to acknowledge and we still haven't really paid reparations to those people. I'd wager a guess here and say that a sizeable portion of Germans couldn't name one colony we had, let alone the crimes we committed to the people living there.
@Maria29G
@Maria29G 2 жыл бұрын
About the Third Reich, I'd still argue that we handle it not great. While the Holocaust specifically is very much center stage, I feel like the genocide of the Roma still is mentioned as at most an afterthought, and outside of LGBT spaces I've never heard that gay men were sent straight back to prison after being liberated from concentration camps. Hell, I definitely didn't catch it from school that the Eastern Front was a war of extermination and quite different to how the nazis waged war in France for example. I don't think there is an illusion about that not happening, rather it just feels like it goes unsaid. Though I do of course agree that the colonialism is significantly undermentioned. I've heard of the genocide against the Herero and Nama a total of one single time, and it was one short history class. That Bismarck is still seen broadly positively is a travesty.
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 2 жыл бұрын
@@BlisaBLisa Yeah, we in the US tend to hold Germany as the gold standard of making reparations for atrocities. There's so much discourse about things like how Americans often don't acknowledge the genocide of the Native Americans, but it seems like the German Empire's massacres in German Southwest Africa go just as unmentioned.
@cactus_vixen7093
@cactus_vixen7093 2 жыл бұрын
As an American this is extremely interesting, especially as here we're taught the most insane false history in school, from Columbus, the foundation of the US, black liberation movements in the 20th basically being nearly completely rewritten from reality, the wars in the middle east, a lot of Americans are taught a completely backwards history that's extremely white washed and unless you relearn it as an adult that's just what you know. I think it's extremely valuable for people to question time and history, as long as you're being rational
@williambrasky3891
@williambrasky3891 2 жыл бұрын
Probably best to skip on the putting faith in raw Americasapian rationality. As has always been the case with people confirmation finds us, while we find critiques. In the information age that contrast is starker than ever. A little nudge in the right direction is always advisable.
@jeffmacdonald9863
@jeffmacdonald9863 2 жыл бұрын
The problem is, it's very easy for these questions to shift away from rationality. In American history, most of the basic facts we're taught in school really are true. It's the emphasis and the context that distort the meaning, as well as things just left out.
@GloriaInvictis
@GloriaInvictis 2 жыл бұрын
Just so you know, pretty much any country's school history curriculum is abject bullshit, with nationalistic/"patriotic"/authoritarian dropped as subtly as a sledgehammer.
@ThatOneAlbinoMofo
@ThatOneAlbinoMofo 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffmacdonald9863 Like the entire " America ain't Christian" "No church and state" BS that's spread on the net, people claim our founders were the first and only influential Christian element to the nation- ignoring 95% of the information available. California was founded as a Christian state directly quoting the bible in its first release in the 1860s-nearly a hundred years later Considering the hippy movement that replaced it arose in the 1960s, a hundred years later- as a counter-culture to Christian liberalism and conservatism. Most civil rights groups were organized in churches... Most wars and soldiers killed in ww1 and ww2 were christian The people are taught that most of our history and culture is wrong and illogical-indoctrinated to confirm it Its weird to see and learn the difference from sources rather than the summary
@that-one-genz7835
@that-one-genz7835 Жыл бұрын
I'm scared for AP US History😭😭
@erikabloodaxe2581
@erikabloodaxe2581 2 жыл бұрын
Chekov from Star Trek claiming everything was invented by Russia makes more sense now
@troyschulz2318
@troyschulz2318 2 жыл бұрын
Noted Russian nationalist and pseudoscience promoter Ens. Pavel Chekhov.
@mina_en_suiza
@mina_en_suiza 2 жыл бұрын
This was amazing. I once knew a guy very much into Illig's ideas and he was pretty convincing in retelling them. Ficticious history is truly all over the world: Here in Switzerland many, many people believe Schiller's Drama about William Tell being an accurate description of the events leading to the creation of the country. In my native Germany, almost everybody believes their ancestors were in the resistance against the Nazis and not members of the party, but honestly: These people in your video took it to a whole new level.
@cheerijessie
@cheerijessie 2 жыл бұрын
It's been a long time (or has it?!) since I heard anyone talk about the phantom time hypothesis. It's truly an odd one
@theniftycat
@theniftycat 2 жыл бұрын
I'm from Russia (had to leave the country due to war). I had an algebra professor who believed that history was copy-pasted. It was in one of the biggest universities in Russia, so yeah. it's big
@michaelwerkov3438
@michaelwerkov3438 2 жыл бұрын
thats kind of terrifying, especially if its being used to justify things like ukraine, which... i dont know but id assume it is. i just have a feeling that dumbshits in america and the dumbshits in russia are going to just keep being terrible until the whole world is involved
@seamussc
@seamussc 2 жыл бұрын
In general, we are taught correct "facts" in history: dates, parties involved, how many people died in battle, who was king, etc; it's narratives, rationales, and justifications that link these facts that should be distrusted and scrutinized most closely.
@alvaroegoaguirrefernandez6149
@alvaroegoaguirrefernandez6149 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a simple man; I see people shitting on New Chronology, I click
@evelienheerens2879
@evelienheerens2879 2 жыл бұрын
I went to dutch Highschool in the 1990s and I can tell you that what the history books had to say about colonisation, the east india trading company and what that meant in the world at the time, to this day makes my organs want to burst out of my body and abandon in it shame for what I unironically answered on tests back then, and got good grades for. The netherlands abused and violated peoples across the globe and we dubbed that time, i kid you not, the golden age. The Netherlands were still not done holding onto some of their territories. and there's still an island in the Caribbean that is officially part of our country to this day. Now I know that there is a large bit of narrative going on to support the nation's policy in how we tell our history. I think you can pick up a textbook for highschool history in just about any nation and start redacting for propaganda. Given that this is true, I could understand why some would question the entirety of the account, like even the parts the rest of the world agrees on. The thing is, those narratives rarely disagree on when what happened, but mostly just make up shit about why things happened, what they were like and more importantly, what they meant. Ambrose Bierce defined in his 'devils' dictionary' Colum: History: An account, mostly false, about events, mostly unimportant, brought about by kings, mostly knaves, and soldier, mostly fools. And that was some english literary fuck from the nineteenth century.
@kennyle8640
@kennyle8640 2 жыл бұрын
I know this isn't the main thrust of the video, but what I learned to day is: Mia Mulder buys her furniture at IKEA. I've seen those bed slats and struts before...
@datafoxy
@datafoxy Жыл бұрын
The fact this happens everywhere should prove we are not all too different.
@nikolasslead6582
@nikolasslead6582 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, im American so I've never heard of this, but as someone who's into history but not super super informed on everything the combination of plausible sounding historical "facts" and the mathematical nonsense, if presented reasonably sounding and charismatically, would probably convince me. I can see why people fall for it.
@kfcnyancat
@kfcnyancat 2 жыл бұрын
@@byekisska7968 That in particular doesn't sound too off from what a lot of Americans and Western Europeans believe (everything was invented in America and Western Europe)
@enta_nae_mere7590
@enta_nae_mere7590 2 жыл бұрын
The description of the Russian identity and lack of nation-state within the Empire is very similar to the state of the English within the British nation.
@MuradBeybalaev
@MuradBeybalaev 2 жыл бұрын
Cultural Russian (ethnic Lezgi) chiming in: 35:26 That is quite incorrect. The term "nationalism" ("национализм") is used about as often and referring to the same thing as the term "racism" in US, except here xenophobia is based on genetics that go deeper than skin. 46:20 Spit my tea. 😆
@RickyDog1989
@RickyDog1989 2 жыл бұрын
A similar concept can be that of English Imperialism in Great Britain: Wales and Scotland do not manage to have a very strong national identity, as they are contiguous with the "metropole" England. The whole concept of Britishness was in a way used to unify and prevent indipenence movements in Great Britain, often in opposition to Irish, American, Indian identities
@Bolts_Films
@Bolts_Films 2 жыл бұрын
so yeah here in the US our schools teach that the US civil war was about states rights... and that has a lot to do with where we are at right now honestly...
@Hudson316
@Hudson316 2 жыл бұрын
The lost cause fallacy has been so toxic for the US over the years. It probably wouldn’t be as big as it is if not for a certain F-tier historian becoming president (One of the many reasons Woodrow Wilson can go directly to hell without passing go or collecting $200)
@angelikaskoroszyn8495
@angelikaskoroszyn8495 Жыл бұрын
It's kinda true. The real question is "which rights?"
@anna-flora999
@anna-flora999 4 ай бұрын
​@@angelikaskoroszyn8495not the right to own slaves that's for sure. The Confederates wanted to take that right away from the States and turn it into a federal mandate forced upon every state
@falcon_arkaig
@falcon_arkaig Ай бұрын
Not really, only in Southern States that were apart of the Confederates teach that stuff like Florida or Alabama. I learned that the Civil War was about Slaves and stuff in my school.
@limitbreakcake
@limitbreakcake 2 жыл бұрын
Your imitation of that girl on tiktok claiming that the Roman Empire never existed resembled the way my friend talks incredibly accurately, Somewhat scary. Anyways, great video!
@otakuribo
@otakuribo 2 жыл бұрын
In case anyone's wondering how carbon can "decay": some of the carbon all living things eat is a slightly radioactive isotope called carbon-14, which gets activated primarily by intercepting cosmic rays. This activated carbon is "recent" carbon -- stuff that is near earth's surface and available to plants and animals. We know about how much biologically available carbon in carbon-14 at any given time because the rate of cosmic bombardment of the earth is fairly consistent. Like all radioactive elements, carbon-14 has a half-life, a rate at which it naturally decays back into regular stable carbon, and we can measure this rate, too. That half-life is 5000-ish years. And, because math, every 5000-ish years, half the carbon-14 in a given specimen will have decayed, the process becomes increasingly inaccurate the further back you go by a few thousand years. It's a measure with a wide margin of error And yet, as inaccurate as it is, it's still extremely useful for dating very old stuff where the margin of error can be a million years or so; like, where you're only interesting in dating an organism to roughly the right geological epoch -- making sure your Jurassic Park dinos are really from the Jurassic, for example. It's also a good test of whether or not something is just old or not; say, you want to know if the Viking tomb you've unearthed is really ancient or a more recent installation (and possibly hoax).
@ndoman
@ndoman 2 жыл бұрын
This is new my favorite video i’ve seen from you, seriously this is a 10/10 and your humor out by the tree was extra funny to me. Hopefully that doesn’t sound too parasocial, i’m blown away just from how well put together the script feels. really really impressive stuff here Mia!
@MiaMulder
@MiaMulder 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!!
@Kenghym
@Kenghym 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who grew up close to and (for a while) in Aachen, learning about Charlemange for the first time in 3rd grade, I feel seen. We had a school trip to the "Emperors favourite city", where we visited the chapel and the treasury with our very passionate teacher. My enthusiasm was dampened later that day: the treasury didn't have the real tresaures. It was all a lie...! Turns out they had sent them away during ww2 for safekeeping and they ended up in Austria. ...and just never came back. Some of the pieces had been kept in Aachen for over 1000 years. It would take 20 years until I finally got to see the real regalia in Vienna. And I kept seeing them, since I lived there for a while and felt like I finally got 'what I was owed'. (I'm not even really a German, it was more the nerd in me who felt betrayed) Yes I went back to Aachen. NO ONE knows about us, even though the city played such an important role for europe back in the day. Thanks Mia, I loved the (accidental) trip down memory lane...!
@crisscringle
@crisscringle 2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me so much of the view of history amongst the hoteps lol. Unsurprisingly, a lot of anti-black, anti-African myths were created to make African peoples out to be these stupid, “uncivilised” savages who never accomplished anything - the other side of the coin to the myth of the Great White Race. Thus nowadays we have a large population of black people in the diaspora who are naturally sceptical of mainstream views of history, religion, medicine etc. But as you say that scepticism easily gets taken too far, which is how we end up with West African descended black people claiming Jewish heritage and all the accomplishments of Ancient Egypt/Kemet... It’s such a shame because every race or group or whatever has a rich history that the group can be proud of and look to in one way or another. In creating this fake history, I feel they obscure their actual accomplishments. Instead of elevating the actual history of black people for example, hoteps perpetuate these myths that claim other peoples history as our own, again leaving our actual history neglected. And when they do mention actual history, it’s so surrounded in bullshit, you’ll be forgiven for throwing the baby out with the bath water.
@Adsper2000
@Adsper2000 2 жыл бұрын
Hoteps who claim Egypt don’t really annoy me that much, because even if its 99% bullshit, at least there’s a tiny kernel of truth (the single Nubian dynasty). The ones that piss me off are those who claim to be the true native americans. That’s just taking a far less powerful group and trying to appropriate their very existence.
@yltraviole
@yltraviole 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I've read a little bit about this type of history building, and an interesting aspect is that, despite mostly being from West-African descent, Black people would especially identify with Egypt and Ethiopa. I'm talking 1800s, early 1900s here, so it makes sense. Most Black Americans wouldn't really have had access to sources on West-Africa, but they did have access to the bible. Both Egypt and Ethiopia are mentioned there, add some devout Christianity, and it becomes very understandable why people searching for a historical identity beyond slavery would identify with those places.
@DStecks
@DStecks Жыл бұрын
"The Roman Empire wasn't a real empire, it was a cultural or economic empire" is the kind of take only an American could come up with, because there is no such thing as a "cultural empire" or an "economic empire", those are always just regular old military empires. Disney would not have nearly the global cache it does without American military bases all over the world. Latin would not be the grandmother tongue of Europe if the Legions hadn't spoken it.
@erin9377
@erin9377 2 жыл бұрын
This was a really eye-opening video. I'd heard of New Chronology before but didn't really have a good understanding of it was or what it represents. Its popularity in Russia never made sense to me, because from a typical Western perspective it falls into the category "whacko conspiracy theory". Understanding that it's just one manifestation of the seemingly universal phenomenon of people arguing over cultural and national history really puts things in perspective. It makes me realise that there really isn't a clear demarcation between New Chronology and the kinds of revisionism and negationism I'm more familiar with. In Australia we literally call it the "history wars", a term which originated in the 1990s and 2000s when it was at its peak. It was an era when Aboriginal land rights had only just been legally acknowledged, and there was a concerted affort to push back against the reckoning that came with increased awareness of our own history. It was carried out by politicians, pundits, and academics alike - one of the most prominent being historian Keith Windschuttle, who claimed that mainstream historians had spent the last 30 years fabricating and misrepresenting the historical record to suit a left-wing cultural agenda and demonise white Australia. Is there any real difference between him and Fomenko? He might not claim that mainstream chronology is false, but he does claim that colonisation was almost entirely peaceful on the part of the white settlers, the Stolen Generations (a 20th-century program of state-sponsored kidnapping) are a myth, and that the Tasmanian Aboriginal population died out because of their genetic and cultural inferiority rather than the well-documented efforts of colonists to eradicate them. They both deny the historical record in an attempt to glorify their national in-group. Different manifestations of the same phenomenon, the same desire.
@Jimdixon1953
@Jimdixon1953 2 жыл бұрын
Mia ….”Trying to find a national identity not rooted in empire” British people “James Bond franchise”
@troyschulz2318
@troyschulz2318 2 жыл бұрын
🎶Da-Da-DaDA-DaDADAAAA🎶
@xenasBS
@xenasBS 2 жыл бұрын
The Netherlands knows its 18th century as its "golden age." This is the age of the VoC, the height of our colonialism, when we committed most of our atrocities but also became filthy rich in the process. Recent efforts to change this narrative- because really, how is the exploitation of huge portions of the world a good thing?- have been met with a lot of resistance. Part of seeing history for what it is is confronting yourself with harsh truths. It's important, but a nation deluded into a false historic narrative is difficult to "update" on current historic understanding.
@mattza4383
@mattza4383 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I see shit like this a lot in Serbia, every single family dinner turns into a multiple hour long conversation about all of human history being linked to Serbia, human civilization beginning with us, everybody being out to get us, it's all us versus them and literally every historical or geopolitical event is somehow directly linked to us, where we are both the victim of it all and the ones in control, it's just tiring.
@Speederzzz
@Speederzzz 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe history is the events we made up to destory the russian spirit together
@Benjaminimal
@Benjaminimal 2 жыл бұрын
Great and really comprehensive video, Mia! You mentioned a lot of influential Russo-nationalist thinkers, with a large emphasis on Anatoly Fomenko and Morozov - BUT I also recommend (or rather, don't recommend) checking out Dmitrii Galkovskii! He represents an even worse and more unhinged version of the New Chronology, imo. I'd argue his books, blogposts and essays are even more widely read in Russia than Fomenko is. Even worse, many of the worst Russian chauvinists like Igor Girkin (prev. military commander of the "DNR") actually cite and quote Galkovskii quite often. This stuff is the intellectual fuel for genuine war criminals. The basis is pretty much the same as you laid out, but he goes a lot further in re-writing history to suit his particular political aims. His concept of the Soviet Union as a "cryptocolony" of Britain(!) has unfortunately become a VERY influential idea in contemporary Russo-nationalist circles. Basically, Galkovskii argues the October Revolution was actually a British plot, and that Lenin was a "triple agent" of Germany and British secret services. The Soviet Union was supposedly not an instrument of Russian expansionism, but rather an "anti-Russian mission" run by the ethnic minorities that inhabited the former Russian Empire. In this counter-factual view, victimhood is *only* awarded to ethnic Russians, instead of the minorities who arguably suffered a great deal more (y'know... genocide and deportation!) A great article to clue you in: - Bobrov, I. V. & Mikhailov, D. A. 2019. "Three Enemies of Russia: Dmitrii Galkovskii and Strategies of “Enemification” in Contemporary Russian Nationalism" His work has never been properly translated into English, so he is not very well known in the West. Honestly, that could be for the better, tho. P.S. You also earned a new sub :-)
@royceroyce7715
@royceroyce7715 Жыл бұрын
there's no way to thank someone for a great comment without it sounding sarcastic, but as someone who wants to be able to recognize the more dangerous tendrils from further and further away... thanks for the heads up, man. This comment section READS and I appreciate your contribution to the list
@AndrianTimeswift
@AndrianTimeswift Жыл бұрын
So, a major correction about carbon dating: Carbon dating is actually only accurate for relatively short ages, with a theoretical maximum of about 100,000 years, but a practical maximum closer to about 50,000 years. It will never be accurate for dinosaurs. Trying to date a dinosaur fossil with carbon dating is like trying to weigh a truck on a bathroom scale. It is true that a carbon date can only give an upper bound for the age of when something was built (in other words, a structure must have been built after the tree from which youngest original plank comes was felled), and that the marine reservoir effect makes marine organisms and organisms that eat them look older than they really are. Because of the way carbon dating works, it is most accurate on terrestrial plants, and the further removed in the food chain one is from terrestrial plants, the less accurate the dating becomes. The bones of an animal that died in the same year as a tree will tend to look just a little bit older than they actually are, because the animal was not constantly taking in new 14-carbon from the atmosphere like the plant was. All that said, historians and archaeologists (and scientists generally) look for what is called concordance within the data. They will use multiple dating methods on the same site or artifact and look to see if they all point in the same direction. Let's take the construction of a building as an example. Perhaps we have a letter referencing the building which was written around 1200 CE. Carbon dating the oldest plank in the building gives us a date range of 1000 to 1300 CE. Dendrochronology on that same plank tells us the tree it came from was felled in 1090 CE. The data are concordant - that is, they are all suggesting that the building was constructed somewhere between 1090 and 1200 CE. If they then find a human bone inside the building that carbon dates to 100 to 500 CE, it becomes pretty obvious that this is an outlier. It doesn't fit with the other established dates, and so the most likely explanation is that the bone is not an indicator of how old the building is. Maybe an old bone was brought into the building after it was built for some reason, or maybe the person to whom the bone belonged ate a lot of sea food. This general principle of looking for concordance within the data applies to more than just archaeological dates. It's used in all fields of science for basically everything. This is why multiple tests and studies are performed on the same phenomenon, and why results are expected to be repeatable. While it's possible that any one data point might be off, if the majority of them all point to the same thing, the probability that they're all wrong in a way that points to the same result becomes vanishingly small.
@tombrown407
@tombrown407 2 жыл бұрын
"Damn you dendrochronology, I though you where my friend" is also an exact quote of me from first year of Uni.
@makotostrikesback
@makotostrikesback 2 жыл бұрын
Is this were the running gag in Star Trek: TOS where Pavel Chekov claims EVERYTHING was invited in Russia comes from?
@troyschulz2318
@troyschulz2318 2 жыл бұрын
I think STAR TREK predates this “”” theory “””, but I think the tendency was already there.
@annajung1234
@annajung1234 Жыл бұрын
The "Russia invented everything" thing is older than this particularly theory (although it comes from the same ideas). It was huge (and hugely promoted by propaganda) in the USSR. Many people who lived in the USSR actually believe that pretty much everything was invented by Russians because that's what they were taught.
@BarbarianGod
@BarbarianGod 2 жыл бұрын
26:45 me, a yugoslav: uhhh alright I guess 34:15 ope 57:25 it's interesting to note that even in Slovenia (which has never headed an empire, but has instead mostly been under the thumb of other empires and foreign kingdoms) there's weird conspiracies that we're (hold on to your butts): actually Veneti and not Slavs (in some cases claims that we're celtic??), invented the latin and greek alphabets, Slovenian just happens to resemble other slavic languages by accident, and some other weird stuff about inventions and architecture all secretly being ours, etc... kind of equivalent to the "russians did everything" thing
@mermaidhime437
@mermaidhime437 2 жыл бұрын
A Mia Mulder video? A Mia Mulder video where the words "New Chronology" appear in the title card no less? Why yes I have already clicked the like button before even watching the video, how could you tell?
@jerrahaynes1564
@jerrahaynes1564 2 жыл бұрын
I gotta admit the title change summoned me! I saw your old title and was like "ah, the answer is going to be 'no, history is not a hoax, excellent, moving on'" and so skipped watching it -- but this one promised an interesting and relevant *context* to discuss the conspiracy theory. I might not be everybody but thought i'd at least give you my two cents
@tomg268
@tomg268 2 жыл бұрын
‘How many important historical characters do you know between 600 and 900’… idk I think the Prophet Muhammad and everything that came after him was pretty important… how did he explain the crusades?
@Sevenigma777
@Sevenigma777 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact the council of Nicea also created the foundations of modern Christianity's dogma. They literally had a vote whether Jesus was going to be worshipped as a God or not and legend has it that our current understanding of who Jesus is won by one vote. One vote different and we would never have worshiped Jesus as the Son of God but just a holy prophet who was a normal man.
@diansc7322
@diansc7322 11 ай бұрын
I would love a source on the voting thing. Because from what I have read, only 3 people out of the 318 present voted against the trinitarian creed
@Aranneas
@Aranneas 2 жыл бұрын
This video put my dad's thought pattern and behaviour in context for me
@douglasphillips5870
@douglasphillips5870 Жыл бұрын
"This kind if thing happens all over the world, especially when empires loose their status. " ouch! That's hitting home pretty hard as an American.
@midge_gender_solek3314
@midge_gender_solek3314 2 жыл бұрын
Modern Russia is obsessed with alternative history stuff more than anything else. The "попаданцы" softcover book genre is massively popular, it's about the male fantasy of modern day heroes travelling back to fight in WW2 or Ivan IV era. There are so many conspiracy theories, Tartaria, Hyperborea, bukvitsa/original alphabet, Sanskrit coming from Russian, Slav-Aryan Vedas, the book of Veles, Alexander Dumas being same person as Pushkin, Peter I being an impostor, and some of them are linked with neopaganism/ethnonationalism, some (like NOD, the Russian state-sponsored QAnon before QAnon) lean more into revanchism or imperial ressentiment that viewed the USSR as a "golden age" of the "Russian civilization" instead of it being already a state of decline. It's interesting how it all ties to the essentialising of eastern Slavic cultures as something being "us but in the past" instead of complex history with arbitrary identities. This kind of essentialising discourse is decades old and is the reason why for a noticeable number of Russians the very act of people seriously identifying as Ukrainians living apart from Russians (and thus disrupting Russia's claim on Rus/Ruthenia and its centuries long historical constructs) is seen as anti-Russian, or why Putin himself declares it an "Anti-Russia" project invented by some global liberal pro-LGBT CIA George Soros western elite
@bies4995
@bies4995 2 жыл бұрын
for most of it i was like wooow, that's fascinating, what a funky and amazingly stupid conspiracy theory russians have! but then i stopped watching for a second and remembered that wait, we have exactly the same conspiracy theory in poland, just with great lechia instead of great russia asdfghjk
@aradanat231
@aradanat231 Жыл бұрын
No, we don't, Great Lechia isn't comparable at all. Great Lechia was born as a child of Janusz Bieszk, economist by profession, and history hobbyist. It's rooted in chronicles, supposedly from IX century, that are without a doubt, faked. There are also other artifacts that he tries to fit into his narrative. He goes down the old track that Poles are descendants of Sarmatians and Scythians. He's got famous primarily because his books got published by Bellona. I don't really know what has happened to them, they were pretty legit, my history teacher was surprised when I've told him this, but whatever. My point is that, comparing to Fomenko, he's boring, and he's no one. Like Mia said, there are a lot of people like Bieszk in the West, who are either discredited scientists, or weren't member of academia at all. Bieszk falls in the latter category. Fomenko, on the other hand is head of a department on Faculty of Mathematics and Mechanics of MGU, top tier Russian university. He has notable position in field of topology. And who Bieszk is? He's probably gotten Master's degree and that's when his academic adventures ended. One more thing, look on how they work. Fomenko created something new, tried to use scientific method to respond to supposed incoherence in sources, and failed to his own biases. While all what Bieszk does is essentially looking for sources that are deemed as untrustworthy, compiles them and occasionally updates to meet them with some recent discoveries, adds some other conspiracy theories (did I mention that he also put aliens and Atlantis in his books?). That's it, zero added value at all. Also, literally no one takes turboslavs seriously. They're just a „hussar on a dino” meme.
@Skreezilla
@Skreezilla 2 жыл бұрын
The main reason Christianity needs to know the exact date and when Easter is especially important is because the pope really like chocolate, and if the pope lost a year with no Easter because of a calendar error the pope would miss out on his yearly chocolate binge.... and be super grumpy, that is actually how the crusades started.
@malfaro3l
@malfaro3l 2 жыл бұрын
I almost blew my drink through my nose when I recognized the picture of Jesus. I love the “fixed painting”.
@merechimera9271
@merechimera9271 2 жыл бұрын
"Ok, ok... but APART from Italy, Turkey, Germany, Austria, France, Bulgaria, Serbia and Greece ... who has a greater claim to succession from Rome than us?" "...America?" "Oh, 'America'!... Shut up!"
@UnfortunatelyTheHunger
@UnfortunatelyTheHunger Жыл бұрын
Also, San Marino and Finland, to a degree
@batgal5471
@batgal5471 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about doing a research paper on this but I decided against it because it was too hard for me lol. Excited to hear you talk about it tho
@josephkemler6979
@josephkemler6979 2 жыл бұрын
Alexandr Dubin, check him out, another Russia exeptionalism historian..
@fluffydestroyer8336
@fluffydestroyer8336 Жыл бұрын
the bit in the beginning where the years between 611 and 911 didn't exist is terrifying to me because iceland was first permanently settled in the 870s, so if that's true then I don't exist! oh no I feel myself turning to dust as I ty
@KaitlinGaspar
@KaitlinGaspar 2 жыл бұрын
my partners been playing the metal gear games and now i feel like i’m inside the joke when i recognize the sound effects in videos hehehe
@wrendina9996
@wrendina9996 2 жыл бұрын
Haha trapped you inside the joke
@Watashiwadeus
@Watashiwadeus 2 жыл бұрын
ДАААААААА Finally someone in the anglosphere has talked about this kooky shit. One of most popular conspiracy theories in Russia, have seen the books on it when I was a teen in 2000s.
@Name-dl3uq
@Name-dl3uq Жыл бұрын
ДА!!!!!
@somerandomgoblin2583
@somerandomgoblin2583 Жыл бұрын
I remember hearing my mom and babushka talking about it and being completely floored by how insane it was. Neither of them believed it, but it was insane hearing about it for the first time.
@ManuelDornbusch
@ManuelDornbusch 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't have "Now, syphillis is interesting" on my bingo card for this Mia Mulder video
@InfiniteAnvil
@InfiniteAnvil 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite thing about the shift from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar is the Doctor Who spin-off radio series "Faction Paradox," in which a rogue faction of Don't Call Them Time Lords goes into hiding by setting up a time-loop kingdom in the 11 "missing" days.
@Ocyon
@Ocyon 2 жыл бұрын
I knew a guy who believed in the phantom time hypothesis and I argued with him back in the ancient past of 2012 xD
@onandonitgoes5957
@onandonitgoes5957 2 жыл бұрын
The marine reservoir effect might also be a bit more thrown out of whack in regards to syphilis due to the exact people who would be likely to eat the most fish having also the greatest opportunity to have come into contact with people who had already had precolumbus contact with north America, or someone who'd been to north America. Keep in mind north American real estate was visited by Norse looky loos a while before 1492, possibly in search of copper to make bronze ingots to trade with the Indus valley in exchange for Ulfbert steel, or some roundabout iteration of such a transfer.
@itsmekiruha
@itsmekiruha 2 жыл бұрын
As a russian i can confidently say that there are o lot of people here that belive in russian "special way" (this idea is opposed to both "we should follow the west" and "we shold unite whith asia" narratives). But I have never heard about this particular conspiracy theory though. Anyways great video (and sorry for my bad english)
@meiamymei
@meiamymei 2 жыл бұрын
Your English is perfect 👍
@Saka_Mulia
@Saka_Mulia 2 жыл бұрын
American exceptionalism, Russian special way, Chinese exceptionalism, and soon Indian nationalism, all growing from the same need to feel special. I wish our leaders were more confident in their people, instead of wanting to create mythologies that ultimately weaken them.
@byekisska7968
@byekisska7968 2 жыл бұрын
never say you're sorry for your english skill guys 😫
@luxborealis
@luxborealis 2 жыл бұрын
As a historian this was always my favorite wacky conspiracy theory. Nice to see it covered on youtube.
@MatthewOfDunedin
@MatthewOfDunedin 2 жыл бұрын
Carbon dating isn't actually any good for dinosaurs - carbon dating is really only good up to 60,000 years, after which the remaining carbon 14 is too little to be reliably measured. Just to nit pick... with something I seem to actually remember from an archaeology minor, long ago.
@TeknoSquirrel
@TeknoSquirrel 2 жыл бұрын
60,000 rather than 600,000 im guessing?
@MatthewOfDunedin
@MatthewOfDunedin 2 жыл бұрын
@@TeknoSquirrel I suck at proofreading, but yes, 60k-ish is what I remember, I fixed it. I just googled to see that google thinks it is more like a 40k years limit in many cases.
@Hudson316
@Hudson316 2 жыл бұрын
@@MatthewOfDunedin 60k is the upper limit with highly specialised modern spectrography equipment that can detect far smaller quantities of carbon, but at that point environmental contamination can completely throw off the numbers if the sample isn’t perfectly pristine and kept away from, like, air, water or sunlight
@Megaritz
@Megaritz 2 жыл бұрын
Russia - queering the binary between Asia and Europe.
@LibertarianLeninistRants
@LibertarianLeninistRants 2 жыл бұрын
This "everything good in history ultimately came from Russia and Russians" myth reminds me of a similar myth that was promoted by imperialist Germany. "Am Deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen" - literally "The German Spirit will better/heal the world".
@damejanea.macdonald2371
@damejanea.macdonald2371 Жыл бұрын
The moon thing is actually pretty interesting to me as a math geek and I’d love to look into how this connection actually works, but then the arguments fell off a cliff for me when the fact that historical events having statistically similar flows of events means they are the same events rather than large groups of humans react similarly under similar pressures, even before the whole “and thus the real versions of these identical events are always the ones where one specific group of people did the things.” Also I really know pretty much nothing about Russia, so I’m very glad to see the comments suggesting this is pretty accurate.
@s-e-e-k-i-n-g
@s-e-e-k-i-n-g 2 жыл бұрын
love that Jean Hardouin gets closed captioned as John Hardware
@austensg9596
@austensg9596 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Mia, it's me, engagement. Like button smashed, comment written, let's goooooo!
@Argacyan
@Argacyan 2 жыл бұрын
I think I noticed two mutually contradictory places in the video: The idea that historical conspiracy theorists are always discredited in western academia + the idea that falling empires embrace this kind of conspiracism all the time. Out of the two, the latter is a lot more coherent. The idea that historical revisionism & conspiracism were discredited in the west, instead of dominant streams at times, would be devoid of knowledge about what went down in the west in the past 120 years - a thing this video also addresses.
@Devilot109
@Devilot109 Жыл бұрын
Fair note: Radiocarbon Dating doesn't work on Dinosaurs, either. It's in the opposite direction -- they're so *old* that there's not enough Carbon-14 left to get accurate results, and the effects of any sort of sample contamination are magnified because they're likely to be the majority of any remaining parent isotope.
@Peckingbird
@Peckingbird 2 жыл бұрын
As someone sat in an apartment building, watching this on my phone: I feel called out.
@Saka_Mulia
@Saka_Mulia 2 жыл бұрын
I'm beginning to think that under every conspiracy theory is a bigot avoiding reality.
@elvingearmasterirma7241
@elvingearmasterirma7241 Жыл бұрын
You're not wrong
@alexpoulpe979
@alexpoulpe979 2 жыл бұрын
Being French and hearing someone 1. mention Emperor Charlemagne 2. say that most people don't actually know about him is so weird! 😅 I mean, he's one of the first historical figures we are taught about at school in France, to the point that we even have nursery rhymes about him!!! 🤣 If that's not proof that History (with a big H) is somewhat fictional because we don't all know/share the same one, I don't know what is. 😜
@niauropsaka
@niauropsaka 2 жыл бұрын
I imagine most people of Western European influence have heard of Karl der Große. Surely our girl was making a joke.
@alexpoulpe979
@alexpoulpe979 2 жыл бұрын
@@niauropsaka Western Europeans, yes, Western civilisation people (as including the American continent) probably not! Add to that the Eastern world and the 'global South'... nope. And that's both super weird and quite logical when you think about it.
@shawnv9135
@shawnv9135 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexpoulpe979 I'm American and I've heard of Charlemagne but I've never heard of Karl der Grobe. I think I only know of Charlemagne because of Futurama references though. Not from school. Also, just as a side note of fun extra info for you Europeans, I'm 34 and I was taught in grade school that the Civil War was about state's rights, not about slavery. So yeah, History with a big H there for sure.
@alexpoulpe979
@alexpoulpe979 2 жыл бұрын
@@shawnv9135 Karl der Große means Charlemagne in German! 😊 That's because Charlemagne is a French contraction/translation of his Latin name 'Carlus Magnus' = Charles the Great. Thus Charles is Karl and great/tall is große in German. I'm quite shocked but not surprised about what you said there though. We were taught in France, in 10th grade, about both the American war of Independence and then the Civil War, because our mandatory History + Geography modules that year covered the past 200 or so years in both the US and Russia/ex-USSR (yes we studied both countries that year haha). Now I'll have to be honest about one thing though: until very recently, the civil wars for independence that numerous French colonies suffered from in the 20th century were absolutely NOT taught at school. Which was very problematic as my generation is that of the children of either the French colons who were expelled from the former colonies, or the children of natives who fought for their independence but later on immigrated to France for economic reasons. So a very 'loaded' situation with tons of economic and social issues, that most young people didn't really know the background for! Children of colons and immigrants had only their parents' point of view to inform them, and all the French kids whose parents had not been directly involved with the colonies were absolutely clueless. If you're interested, look into the Algerian independence civil war. Ps: I'm a child of Spanish immigrants who used to live between Spain and Algeria, so I'm neither a French colon nor an Algerian native and yet I'm related to both by pure coincidence. As you can imagine, my family's History of the civil war was very different from the colons' History and from the natives' History...
@jordancantrell6598
@jordancantrell6598 2 жыл бұрын
I'm an Americans and WE learn about Charlemagne. He's one of the first Kings to implement a quasi-public school from what I understand. (Also the Supreme hegemon on western Europe for a time and much loved by the pope and a whole lot of other shit)
@Turalcar
@Turalcar Жыл бұрын
32:15 "...where Russians were in charge" Stalin, Khrushchev and Chernenko: Are we a joke to you?
@thevoidlookspretty7079
@thevoidlookspretty7079 Жыл бұрын
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