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THE SCANDAL BRUSHED UNDER THE CARPET! The Story of the Ferrari 'Cheat' Engines (2018-2019)

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Aidan Millward

Aidan Millward

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@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
I said 128kw. It’s 120. Where the hell did I get 128 from? Must have been the converter.
@F-Man
@F-Man 2 жыл бұрын
The catalytic converter!
@squidcaps4308
@squidcaps4308 2 жыл бұрын
Fellow sound engineer here.. I usually have 20dB limiter when listening youtube, so i don't have to bother with varying sound levels. Didn't have it on today and i think you could compress a bit more and raise gain, it is a bit quiet overall.
@GregBrownsWorldORacing
@GregBrownsWorldORacing 2 жыл бұрын
a rounding error. Computer Science Geek Here - Then there's the accumulated round off error. So depending on your policy a> Always blame the computer or b> It's got to be right, the computer said so or C> I saw it somewhere on the internet (I just did)... you can chose from any and all so it's never totally your fault :) Good show
@rmelv
@rmelv 2 жыл бұрын
It was that damned flux capacitor
@DekGT5mad
@DekGT5mad 2 жыл бұрын
Another small correction - Ricciardo lost his MGU-K at Monaco 2018,not gearbox problems, he just did not use 8th gear after that point to stop the engine bogging down
@MsZeeZed
@MsZeeZed 2 жыл бұрын
It’s also possible that Ferrari’s “figuring out” of how a fuel flow sensor worked was achieved in a way that was embarrassing to the FIA (bribery, hacking or poor device security allowing Ferrari to reverse engineer a sensor). This loophole was then closed to them and the FIA-Ferrari confidential agreement was we won’t call your cheating if you don’t call our incompetence. It had to be public there was an agreement as other teams were calling Ferrari cheats in public, having guessed 90% of how.
@rhyswilliams4893
@rhyswilliams4893 2 жыл бұрын
There was more to a ferrari engine than cheating the fuel sensor apparently. I spoke with a guy who worked for Ferrari and the reason it didn't come out was because it was using tech planned for the Sf90 road car.
@HeavyMetalGamingHD
@HeavyMetalGamingHD 2 жыл бұрын
Good point. It's so weird, that we still don't know, what actually happened. We might actually never know. That's quite crazy
@scordatura9259
@scordatura9259 2 жыл бұрын
@@rhyswilliams4893 source: trust me bro
@rhyswilliams4893
@rhyswilliams4893 2 жыл бұрын
@@scordatura9259 exactly. It's all hearsay but I believed him at least. Doesn't say you should though
@rhyswilliams4893
@rhyswilliams4893 2 жыл бұрын
@@scordatura9259 the fact is there is no legitimate source widely available.
@taufiqutomo
@taufiqutomo 2 жыл бұрын
Almost 75% of the way towards Aidan's magnum opus.
@roryevans4295
@roryevans4295 2 жыл бұрын
I expect it to be at least an hour long now considering how long us OG’s have had to wait for it 😭
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
It’s just going to be a link to the beyond the grid.
@mrterp04
@mrterp04 2 жыл бұрын
Good old Robert Brown
@americanpride9733
@americanpride9733 2 жыл бұрын
Surprised it hasnt gotten bigger. Him an david land are both underrated
@uweheinrich6784
@uweheinrich6784 Жыл бұрын
Hi Aidan....I actually like your "underfunded and slow" stories. They are great as they often get forgotten so quickly. They are so good because there are very unique characters and individual events behind them, even if they can be easily summed up as "underfunded and slow". Please keep them coming.....
@JohnSmithShields
@JohnSmithShields 11 ай бұрын
Plus there is a great chance it will feature Brazil's 100th greatest driver.
@Malachi_Marx
@Malachi_Marx 2 жыл бұрын
I really love this series! It doesn't matter if its NASCAR, F1, Indy, IMSA, WEC, WRC/WRX, the technical details are something I always enjoy learning about. Thanks for the video!
@robertharrington703
@robertharrington703 2 жыл бұрын
In a sporting context it was obviously cheating but it was such mechanically intelligent cheating (like with the Toyota restrictor plate) it's hard to have anything but respect for them despite it
@MrSniperfox29
@MrSniperfox29 2 жыл бұрын
If the FIA can't prove what you did was wrong and have to actually ask you, then credit to you
@tjroelsma
@tjroelsma 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrSniperfox29 Which isn't that difficult as proven by the number of cheats the FIA didn't catch on to. Simply put: the FIA are somewhat skilled in making up rules (I say somewhat because a lot of their rules actually end up having the adverse result of what the FIA was expecting) but terrible at enforcing these rules because they seriously lack the expertise and/or brainpower to think things through properly. Take for example the DAS system: Mercedes developed and implied it as an aerodynamical device while constantly discussing it with the FIA. So it was legal. But then Red Bull stepped in and said "hang on guys, this DAS system must also be seen as an active suspension device, as Mercedes is actively changing the setup of the front." Something the FIA "experts" hadn't even considered. When the FIA is só inept at it's core tasks, then it isn't really any wonder that there have been so many cheats in the sports.
@MrSniperfox29
@MrSniperfox29 2 жыл бұрын
@@tjroelsma To be fair, DAS is just the latest in the long line of "yup that's legal, oh wait, someones protested, nope, now that's illegal" that's happened pretty much throughout the history of F1 Mercedes should be happy these days such things aren't immediately banned like the were back in the day, forcing many teams to completely redesign cars on the whim of the FIA and a protest.
@tjroelsma
@tjroelsma 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrSniperfox29 Yes, but it one of the most recent and most telling of stupidities the FIA approved of, especially as it took Red Bull one look at the system to figure out that it also fell into the category of active suspension, while the FIA was clueless about that. As to Mercedes being happy: what about Red Bull, that won multiple races with a rear wing that had way too much flex under pressure and therefore had an illegal advantage? Or the shady deal Ferrari made with the FIA over the fuel flow sensor controversy? The FIA is just hopelessly incapable.
@MrSniperfox29
@MrSniperfox29 2 жыл бұрын
@@tjroelsma The same rear wing that passed every single test the FIA gave it? What about the Mercedes front wing which also flexed way too much? Passed the same tests yet to everyone else it was also illegal?
@youerny
@youerny 2 жыл бұрын
just my two cents: 1) Fuel flow: as a control system PhD I still have some concerns about the actual increase in fuel amount -given viscosity and other fluid-mech aspects- you can get in between data samplings at such high rate. But I could be wrong, the fuel could be very "liquid" and the pump can have a very instantaneous reserve of high pressure... Still perplex tough. 2) Dual battery: In my opinion FIA should truly make less stringent everything limiting electric performances. Cars are getting more and more electrified and I miss the point of having caps on instantaneous MGU-K/H KW, el power per lap, batteries, etc. Freedom in those areas would result in more research for EVs, discoveries beneficial for urban mobility and interest from automotive constructors whose trajectory is electrification.
@DonWan47
@DonWan47 2 жыл бұрын
Love the Enterprise E reference, well played. Good video. There’s always been a strong connection between finding the loopholes and cheating. I have neither an engineering nor a legal degrees so it’s well above my pay grade but I think teams who find the loopholes should be applauded, for one season, and then lose their advantage or have it shared.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
If it says don’t do it and you do, that’s creating. If it doesn’t explicitly say what you can’t do, then do it. Ferrari did the former, allegedly.
@slamanna212
@slamanna212 Жыл бұрын
Very cool video, didnt know there were 2 different scandals in this time period. Also wild to watch this after the 2022 season.
@Revvenge
@Revvenge 2 жыл бұрын
From what I gather from Dutch press, it is assumed Ferrari (also?) pumped fuel into the fuel lines to the engine (past the fuel flow sensor) while off the throttle, to give additional fuel flow coming out of corners. This is the reason for the second fuel flow sensor, which was closer to the engine, and also coincided with the drop in performance. In addition, in Austin (I think?) they ran low downforce to offset the loss in power to make it appear they were still achieving similar top speeds and thus weren't affected by the rules clarification. Ironically this is the opposite to what McLaren did with Honda in their last year together, where they intentionally ran very high downforce to show high cornering speed and low top speed so they could blame Honda for poor performance. Honda wasn't great, exactly, but neither was McLaren itself at that point.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much, yeah. They had to run less downforce to go as fast in both 18 and 19 and it shagged them in the corners.
@DonWan47
@DonWan47 2 жыл бұрын
I love the engineering aspect of F1 so videos like this are gold to me.
@jimmydesouza4375
@jimmydesouza4375 2 жыл бұрын
I often watch random trivia channels, I have to thank you for being one of the few that actually speaks at a decent rate. I have to watch most of them at 2x and even then many of them are slow.
@patrickkennedy2533
@patrickkennedy2533 2 жыл бұрын
in the words of the illustrious Bob Varsha "whats good for Ferrari is good for Formula 1"
@paulmccourt6185
@paulmccourt6185 2 жыл бұрын
The biggest problem was Jean Todt in this situation
@alphatrion100
@alphatrion100 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Jean todt was president of fia up until 2021
@fahada1921
@fahada1921 Жыл бұрын
Just discovered this channel and I love it. Thanks for this content.
@prod.cozybeats2299
@prod.cozybeats2299 2 жыл бұрын
As a Ferrari fan who’s been coping since 2015 (yes Seb Vettel) this story always is a must watch for me.
@Mike_Connor
@Mike_Connor 2 жыл бұрын
Aidan, Have you done a video about Honda's dodgy fuel tank from 2005? I spoke to a Honda F1 team member afterwards and he had an interesting perspective on it - not earth shattering, but interesting.
@fourutubez7294
@fourutubez7294 2 жыл бұрын
Will you be doing Mercedes' magic improvements towards the end of 2021? I've not seen anything other than fanboy/hater rants on the subject.
@robh9577
@robh9577 2 жыл бұрын
The engines are frozen as part of the rules. The only time you are allowed to change a part is under "reliability" grounds. Bottas had 4 engines changed due to "reliability concerns" which was code for "we are running them at the maximum output and hurting them on purpose to find reasons to change parts to give Lewis a maximum output engine for the final few races" But it's a rules grey area that F1 has not closed. 1st engine is a 10 place grid drop and any other after that is only a 5 place. It's an open invitation for abuse, the grid drops should become more and more severe the more engines you take.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
Mercedes’ figured out how to 1. Get the cars setup window to work properly with the new floor rules and B. Figured a way to run the engine at warp 10 for exactly 4 races.
@keithy4129
@keithy4129 2 жыл бұрын
I’m still confused about the merc engine advantage at Brazil. I thought all teams that use the same engine have to use the same engine map? If this is indeed the case how did merc make more power?
@TheTrickytrick88
@TheTrickytrick88 2 жыл бұрын
Engine has to do far less mileage then what would otherwise be expected of it. So they ran it in a more aggressive setting for the race weekends it did. Nothing dodgy, nothing untoward and exactly what any team would do in that situation.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
The teams have to use the same engine maps in qualifying and for the race. So if they use max power in qualifying they have to use it in the race. Merc just built an engine to to four races not seven and were able to turn it to 11 for the whole thing.
@keithy4129
@keithy4129 2 жыл бұрын
@@xSirDingo ok, that makes sense. I was under the impression that all of the merc engines were required to run the same map. Thanks for clearing that up.
@americanpride9733
@americanpride9733 2 жыл бұрын
Just wanna say that the camerawork has gotten so much better in so little time. Idk what you did but it looks great so keep it up
@alvinnieves590
@alvinnieves590 2 жыл бұрын
I still wont forget when Matia Binotto in 2019 went on record saying that he was looking forward to other teams protesting the engine so Ferrari can show how stupid other teams were.
@formula2tom225
@formula2tom225 2 жыл бұрын
yeah Binotto sure showed them, he sacrificed the entire season in 2020. to make the golden child look good in 2019... anyway i can't wait for the 22 season to begin..i'm sure u can't either
@alvinnieves590
@alvinnieves590 2 жыл бұрын
@@formula2tom225 always look forward to a new season. However, if there is something that I've learned is: until the first qualy session opens every news regarding car design and development is speculation.
@greghanson5696
@greghanson5696 Жыл бұрын
Nice work on this vid Aidan!
@Jon.S
@Jon.S 2 жыл бұрын
There's a difference between cheating and finding a loophole in the regulations. It's clear Ferrari were doing clever stuff, but as the FIA couldn't prove it, any reference to cheating is just an allegation. It's pretty clear the FIA were keen to close the loophole, and avoid having to go through a protracted process where they were forced to admit they couldn't prove Ferrari were cheating, and Ferrari were keen to avoid a protracted process where they would keep saying they were in compliance to the wording of the regulations.
@jackcasey8316
@jackcasey8316 2 жыл бұрын
I really wanted to know more about this particular controversy. So glad to see this :)
@teknikairaoulolgandessabek4102
@teknikairaoulolgandessabek4102 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this great video. I've just subscribed.
@that.guy11
@that.guy11 2 жыл бұрын
If I remember rightly, the fuel sensor was timed to measure fuel flow every hundredth of a second, and Ferrari had worked out a way of squirting in extra fuel in tiny pulses in between measurements so it was un-detectable. Also I fully, fully believe that if Mercedes or Honda had come up with it, the response/ public narrative would have been "that's technically against the regulations, if you stop doing it then no punishment necessary. Well done for being so clever and finding a loophole though, we're closing it for next season." But because Ferrari did it the response was "dirty cheats who deserve to be punished."
@elianioriofarrell
@elianioriofarrell 2 жыл бұрын
Spot on
@HeavyMetalGamingHD
@HeavyMetalGamingHD 2 жыл бұрын
the problem is, that this is just a theory. There was never official clarification, what ferrari actually did. And that sucks
@MsZeeZed
@MsZeeZed 2 жыл бұрын
It feels like deliberately cutting the track. The rule about fuel flow was unambiguous. There was a deliberate intent to breach the regulation and the “clever” bit of engineering was only in devising a way not to be caught. That’s why it stinks.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
I doubt Mercedes and Red Bull would have been so blatantly obvious about it. They’d increase it little by little while Ferrari turned it up to 11 straight away 🤣 But the thing is, if it had been red bull or Merc doing it, Ferrari fans would be screaming filthy chats to them.
@kimschroder9354
@kimschroder9354 2 жыл бұрын
I don't get, why they didn't just slap on some more wing so that their advantage wasn't on the straights but in the corner. That way, nobody would suspect the engine, but say the have better aero or a clever suspension. But no, they had to dump it all on the straight because "aerodynamics is for people who can't build engines, mamma mia!!"
@astroshooter1960
@astroshooter1960 Жыл бұрын
Been watching your indepth videos on motor sport for a while now and just realized I wasn't a subscriber. The algorithms probably send your content my way I guess? I do enjoy them very much as I've been a Formula One fan since my first race in 1987 Detroit Grand Prix and watch the Great Aryton Senna win.... yeah I'm old.. but still enjoy my racing. Oh... I'm a subscriber now 👍
@antonisapostolou5139
@antonisapostolou5139 2 жыл бұрын
Aidan please do a story on how Mercedes found half a second of pace in 2021, from Brazil onwards, just when they needed it. That should be interesting reading.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty easy to explain: they took the engine penalty that would have sent Lewis back to about 9th as a minimum, and with there only being four races left at that point they only had to run it for four races instead of seven. They’d trialled this “plan” with Bottas at Monza, just in case they needed to take an engine penalty later on in the season. The simple matter is, they figured out exactly how hot to run it for those four races and ran it. But they only used this “warp drive” in Brazil and Abu Dhabi and put the old one in for Qatar and Arabia. Oh, and they figured out the issues with the car setup. It had a very narrow setup window (like the 94 Williams) and it was only from sort of Russia onwards they cracked it.
@Olivyay
@Olivyay 2 жыл бұрын
It was not just from Brazil, they already had more pace in Italy and Turkey, it was just not as obvious because it's easier to overtake at Interlagos.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
@@Olivyay Bottas was testing the warp drive at Italy, that’s why. And the Merc being low rake it’s faster in a straight line anyway.
@saf2sweet188
@saf2sweet188 2 жыл бұрын
Online class? NAhhhhh New Aidan video? Hell ya
@robertharrington703
@robertharrington703 2 жыл бұрын
Glad I ain't the only one 😅
@F-Man
@F-Man 2 жыл бұрын
School’s a waste anyway - watching Aidan is a far better use of your time.
@connortremmel
@connortremmel 2 жыл бұрын
True
@pibil8052
@pibil8052 2 жыл бұрын
all of the teams look for loopholes.
@sanfordcurtis8242
@sanfordcurtis8242 2 жыл бұрын
Had it been a team that wasn’t a front runner, people would praise them for innovation and say that they’d found a loophole.
@jeremybenassi5014
@jeremybenassi5014 2 жыл бұрын
@@sanfordcurtis8242 Like Brawn GP
@jsquared1013
@jsquared1013 2 жыл бұрын
It wasn't a "loophole", it was blatant cheating. The regulations specify the fuel flow limit, in black and white without any ambiguity. Ferrari developed this system to _evade detection_ that they were breaking the rules. Totally different.
@jaybower1320
@jaybower1320 8 ай бұрын
The fuel-flow, sensor trick is hands down my favorite dodgy F1 tech story. Absolutely genius
@elmurcis1
@elmurcis1 2 жыл бұрын
Correct me if wrong but wasn't their "Fine" to run 2020 season with 95% of fuel limit vs others. Pain of their speed was harsh enough so kind of "fair and seal deal" already (as long as there is nothing else... not yet discovered).
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
Plus the 50 grand fine for Abu Dhabi.
@peterthomas5792
@peterthomas5792 2 жыл бұрын
​@@AidanMillward 50 grand doesn't even qualify as pocket money. McLaren were fined 100 million and had all constructors points deleted for being in possession of a document that a Ferrari employee had given then, and there was no proof that they'd made any use of. There was absolute proof that Ferrari had benefitted from their cheating (despite FIA claims to the contrary). No proof that McLaren had benefitted from being in possession of Ferrari documentation.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
@@peterthomas5792 that 100m was “ten million for the offence, and 90m because Dennis is a c**t”
@peterthomas5792
@peterthomas5792 2 жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillward Maybe, and I appreciate the conflict between running an informative channel & posting witty comments to it. A step too far perhaps?
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
@@peterthomas5792 Mosley’s words, not mine.
@heliumtrophy
@heliumtrophy 2 жыл бұрын
Part of me thought it was genius, I have to admit but with all this comes one thing as you pointed out - other teams whingeing because they didn't think of it themselves because that's all it ever is - and the insufferability of reading people in F1 groups argue about it without showing how biased they were. In the end, it's all stupid politicking and you can never truly enjoy a race because there's going to be someone complaining and the spectacle more often than not gets tainted in some way or another. Makes you question the term "clean racing" (I know what's meant by it but there's so many implications that complicate it).
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
It’s a fine line to tread. If it doesn’t specifically state in the rules you can’t do it (double diffuser, f duct, DAS, fan car etc) then I say it’s fair game. But when the rule book specifically tells you not to do it and a team is knowingly taking the piss with it, then I’d say the other teams are in the right to protest. It’s not so much “we didn’t think of that first so ban it”, it’s more “we’re obeying the rules, the one that tells us not to do it. Why are they allowed to carry on?”
@heliumtrophy
@heliumtrophy 2 жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillward This is also true but I'm probably more tired of hearing teams whinge any chance they get - they're quite good at it! I don't know if there's ever quite the right balance with F1 or motorsport really because of a multitude of things. I mean even back in the Hakkinen/Schumacher era, my dad was thinking that the whole thing was rigged with the amount of politicking going on about this or that thing being banned....I haven't got back to him on the Abu Dhabi debacle yet.
@sarahpoisel6734
@sarahpoisel6734 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t tell the spicy Mercedes engine was total spec. Seems like history repeating itself
@Olivyay
@Olivyay 2 жыл бұрын
It's realistic that it was total spec. Those engines have a lot of untapped potential that isn't used because they have to last many races. If you plan to run them for fewer races you can push them harder. That has been the case ever since they started increasing the amount of races each engine has to do since the early 00s, even the V10s lost actual power the first time they switched from unlimited to 1 full weekend and then from 1 to 2 GP weekends per engine.
@gemberkoekje
@gemberkoekje 2 жыл бұрын
The other, or maybe together with this narrative, story I heard was that the pipe after the fuel flow meter was somewhat expandable. So they could 'store' some extra fuel in this pipe to use.
@fourutubez7294
@fourutubez7294 2 жыл бұрын
Any source for that ? It does sound interesting .
@gemberkoekje
@gemberkoekje 2 жыл бұрын
@@fourutubez7294 I'll link it if I find it. Mightve been speculation, e.g. on the Dutch TV, as most of the articles seem to focus on the aliasing of the fuel flow meter.
@mrdraw2087
@mrdraw2087 2 жыл бұрын
That was in the early races of 2015.
@peterthomas5792
@peterthomas5792 2 жыл бұрын
That was shut down, but I forget how - possible by the extra fuel meter introduced after that pipe?
@phodge9985
@phodge9985 Жыл бұрын
Watched this when it came out but it was recommended to me again so here I am. Still can't believe this happened when you think about it. One day it was all anyone could talk about them all of a sudden one day it all just stopped I suppose since then 2021 happened but still just interesting to come back and remind myself this actually happened
@todortodorov940
@todortodorov940 2 жыл бұрын
My opinion: Ferrari should do whatever it takes to win, as long as it is not explicitly defined as illegal in the rulebook. This is racing. Other teams use creative solutions too.
@nekozabuza
@nekozabuza 2 жыл бұрын
Secret agreement bewtween the FIA and Ferrari? Sounds like Ferrari International Assistance is still around to me.
@andrewsatorius4210
@andrewsatorius4210 2 жыл бұрын
that ferrari win prediction is absolutely correct
@alexhndr
@alexhndr 2 жыл бұрын
It may not be the modern Option 13 But boi, do the "Spicy Ferrari" stir some pots
@dirk6001
@dirk6001 Ай бұрын
A big reason why I stop watching the ferrari show that F1 always is and was.
@simple_livin
@simple_livin Жыл бұрын
Recently subbed. What's the intro/outlook tune? Can't get it out of my head
@johnmartin6178
@johnmartin6178 2 жыл бұрын
Was there an explanation as to why the Ferrari sent out a puff of smoke when exiting the pit garage. Surplus oil or an illegal injection of oil into the air or turbo intake?
@palmermonsen9098
@palmermonsen9098 2 жыл бұрын
Ngl I think this is one of the best examples of bending the rules I have ever heard, super clever one the part of the prancing horses
@jsquared1013
@jsquared1013 2 жыл бұрын
This is not "bending the rules" by any stretch. It is blatant cheating. The fuel flow limit is explicit in the regulations. They developed a mechanism whose entire point was to _evade detection_ that they were breaking the regulation. They did not "bend" anything or find any "loopholes". It's an impressive engineering feat, but entirely unsportsmanlike cheating (a la Toyota WRC turbo restrictor).
@Thatguy1705
@Thatguy1705 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone else remember all the smoke that the 2018 Ferrari used to spit out aswell? Same with Torro Rosso at the end of 2017.
@brokenclutchmotorsport
@brokenclutchmotorsport 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the Star Trek reference!
@johnfitsch7781
@johnfitsch7781 2 жыл бұрын
I kind of suspected that Haas’s dramatic drop in performance had something to do with the fact that they were probably doing what Ferarri was doing, being a Ferrari 2.0 car and all.
@T_Mo271
@T_Mo271 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed.
@formula2tom225
@formula2tom225 2 жыл бұрын
ferrari probably gave all the old 2020 engines to HAAS on the cheap in 2021....
@subarnosinha8042
@subarnosinha8042 2 жыл бұрын
Haas' drop is also due to their rubbish rear suspension which changes its behaviour with change in temperature. This has been a problem as early since 2019, if RoGro and KMag can be believed.
@A.i.r_K
@A.i.r_K 2 жыл бұрын
@@subarnosinha8042 both are experienced drivers and have proved to be, at least, decent drivers. Romain was one of the few drivers who could challenge the pretty much invincible Seb and RB combo, and mag got a podium with McLaren on his first race in 2014.
@jstoli996c4s
@jstoli996c4s 2 жыл бұрын
@@subarnosinha8042 this makes sense, since the Haas cars could do well in qualifying, but drop like rocks during the race.
@shauncripps7914
@shauncripps7914 2 жыл бұрын
I know I'm abit late to the party but at 9:03 I literally spat out my drink! Jokes :-)
@djdrastic1
@djdrastic1 2 жыл бұрын
Ferrari needs to learn to 'innovate' like Mercedes.
@minibus9
@minibus9 2 жыл бұрын
awesome video
@jonathanohagan1349
@jonathanohagan1349 2 жыл бұрын
i love rule bending in all motor racing sports, shows who is better, lawyers/qwners or engineers/mechanics
@davestopforth
@davestopforth 2 жыл бұрын
I can elaborate a little more on the fuel metering if anybody is interested. I can elaborate on why I don't believe they cheated with the batteries too. This entire subject is massively embarrassing for the FIA. The FIA mandated system had a single meter after the lift pump, before the high pressure pump. When logging data you effectively take individual samples, it is not a constant stream of data. A typical sample rate might be every 100ms, or one tenth of a second. Now fuel flow through a fuel pipe is not constant, it pulses due to how fuel pumps work. If you can time those pulses to match the metering device then you can temporarily raise the flow between samples, and therefore have a higher average fuel flow. How the FIA didn't consider this is beyond me and shows the true depth of their incompetence. I've previously developed a fuel metering system and installing a second meter for reference was such an obvious solution that we didn't even discuss it, it was automatically presumed to be fundamental to the system itself. Even if you don't have a second reference you would still expect the nominal average fuel flow to be a few points less than the maximum. If the average matches the maximum, then the peaks are exceeding the limit. It's really really basic stuff we are dealing here but it's multiple levels higher than what the FIA operates at. The way that the teams figured this out was using FIA GPS data. If you know the characteristics of a vehicle, such as weight, friction, coefficient of drag etc, you can calculate the maximum rate of acceleration possible with a set amount of energy. Ferrari blatantly exceeded this maximum on multiple occasions. It's worth remembering that it was never confirmed either way whether Ferrari had worked out a way to hold a head of fuel post meter, which could be filled up during low load situations and then used when the flow limit has been maxed out. I also have to mention the oil filled charge coolers potentially dosing the charge air, effectively adding energy/cylinder cooling to the fuel mixture. Personally I don't believe the battery story, you wouldn't measure it at only one battery, and you could also cross reference the energy usage against other components. If I am wrong and the FIA really are that Incompetent then they need to be disbanded and replaced immediately. There is no excuse for that level of gross negligence.
@peterthomas5792
@peterthomas5792 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, fully agree. Nice explanation, thanks. This was largely covered up because of FIA incompetence in the monitoring mechanisms.
@T_Mo271
@T_Mo271 2 жыл бұрын
I think the FIA are exactly that incompetent. They don't have nearly the clever minds at work that the teams have.
@bjarulez
@bjarulez 2 жыл бұрын
Neeeeee woop, said it better than I can come up with!
@warwickbull5559
@warwickbull5559 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone here after Ferrari's 1-2 today?
@midnightlexicon
@midnightlexicon Жыл бұрын
I love the look of the 2019 ferrari
@photodave219
@photodave219 2 жыл бұрын
I know theyre cheating but damn, from an engineering viewpoint, thats just impressive. Illegal as hell under the rules but to figure out how to cheat the sensors? Thats genius. I mean... stupid because they got caught but thats just an impressive thing to pull off. And OF COURSE there's a confidential agreement.... of course.
@Avto28
@Avto28 Ай бұрын
I love how the video conveniently glances over the 2017 oil burning debacle and Spa/Monza engine specification story. As well as persists with the 2021 "spicy engine" theory, when any person who has ever worked on an internal combustion engine would know most of the top end power limitation these days comes from the fuel flow limit and not the overall reliability of the unit.
@shadowguy128
@shadowguy128 2 жыл бұрын
7:35 I believe they ran it at only Brazil, Jeddah and Yas Marina because Qatar was Budapest but without the 180 turns into 180 turns
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
They only ran it at Brazil 🤣
@shadowguy128
@shadowguy128 2 жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillward lol
@ZeGreatStick
@ZeGreatStick 2 жыл бұрын
Something to watch instead of doing my groups powerpoint. Ahhh, procrastination.
@joe5boost
@joe5boost 2 жыл бұрын
They all cheat its only the ones that get caught we hear about , great vid thanks for sharing
@DAGATHire
@DAGATHire 10 ай бұрын
F1 has always been a battle of engineers vrs the Formula (the rules) So personally, i bloody love when engineers find these sneaky ways around things.
@gdogg3710
@gdogg3710 2 жыл бұрын
“Matteo, why has that hybrid got 12 cylinders???”
@TheBrass18
@TheBrass18 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, ppl seem to forgot that Ferrari had a motor that was in the grey area too in 2018, they were doing something with the battery, it had unreal acceleration out of slow corners, best seen in monza.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
The magic speed boost at Canada was mental to watch. Vettel’s car was visually pulling a gap on Hamilton’s.
@frankbieser
@frankbieser 2 жыл бұрын
About Baku 2017. Yes, Lewis never touched his brake. If you watch the TV replay where they were showing Lewis' telemetry, you see that he starts to launch, and then he lifts. With the way F1 cars take off, a lift after a launch is as good as hitting the brakes for the car behind. I find it interesting that they stopped showing telemetry on screen after that. :-/
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
It also doesn’t help that the on screen telemetry at that time shows 100% brake no matter how much is applied. It’s either full on or full off. People saw the red bar max out and went BRaKe TEsT!
@peterthomas5792
@peterthomas5792 2 жыл бұрын
As I recall, the post-race investigation showed no significant variation in the behaviour of the Merc on that corner compared to previous laps?
@frankbieser
@frankbieser 2 жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillward Yes, and thus the conversation focused on whether he hit the brakes. Nobody seemed to notice his revs ramp up, and then a sudden drop off (a lift off throttle) just before Vettel hits him.
@frankbieser
@frankbieser 2 жыл бұрын
@@peterthomas5792 Possibly, never saw that. Only that he didn't hit the brake. But when you watch the replay of both restarts, the earlier one, Lewis launches immediately from that turn. The next time he starts to launch, but lifts and then Vettel hits him.
@frankbieser
@frankbieser 2 жыл бұрын
@@Shane-Phillips Yes, though the claim is Lewis never touched the brake (and there's no evidence he did). It's unclear why Lewis started to accelerate then lift. Nobody asked. They just asked if he brake checked, and he said no. And the telemetry supported that. Problem is, wrong question was being asked.
@millzyboy500
@millzyboy500 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this one . The battery debate is one my son and I talk about a lot
@philippruest5577
@philippruest5577 2 жыл бұрын
The FIA took 3 years to clamp down on Mercedes burning oil. The Ferrari engine 2018 2019 was not proven to be illegal. In Bahrain 2019 Mercedes got surprised by the Ferrari power as it was assumed the loopholes had been closed by the directives and added sensor after 2018.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
It wasn’t just Mercedes burning oil. Mercedes were able to get the most out of it, but Ferrari engined cars and Renault powered ones were at it too.
@philippruest5577
@philippruest5577 2 жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillward Merc burnt clearly more oil as the Spa upgrade 2017 and their struggle in Australia 2018 to avoid respectively cope with the tighter oil burn limits showed.
@blacktoothfox677
@blacktoothfox677 2 жыл бұрын
@@philippruest5577 stpp hittpng that blppdy 'p' all the tpme ya lunkerthumbs
@philippruest5577
@philippruest5577 2 жыл бұрын
@@blacktoothfox677 Huffs :)
@blacktoothfox677
@blacktoothfox677 2 жыл бұрын
@@philippruest5577 Nope. You still left one there in avpid and whatever that mess is there pretending to be 'respectively'... Bless ya
@chicobicalho5621
@chicobicalho5621 7 ай бұрын
Inasmuch as I like Leclerc very much, as a driver and as a person, I think that Ferrari illegal engine should have resulted in the loss of points and disclassification of both victories in Belgium and Italy for Leclerc. After all, didn't Lance Armstrong loose all his Tour de France titles for cheating in a similar manner, since, both Ferrari and Armstrong increased "engine power" by cheating, nes't-ce pas?
@nicholastotoro7721
@nicholastotoro7721 2 жыл бұрын
Because the FIA has never changed the rules to reign-in Ferrari...
@norskate98
@norskate98 2 жыл бұрын
It’s more outsmarting the FIA than cheating imo.
@jsquared1013
@jsquared1013 2 жыл бұрын
Nope, outsmarting the FIA would be the double diffuser: finding a loophole or something left ambiguous and using it to your advantage. The fuel flow limit is explicitly defined in the regulations. They not only broke it willfully, but developed a mechanism to evade detection. 100% cheating.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
The fia said in the rule book since at least 2017 that circumventing sensors is prohibited.
@bertjilk3456
@bertjilk3456 2 жыл бұрын
F1 is as much about who can be sneakiest and get away with it, as it is about racing cars. But, that’s part of the intrigue. I suspect the damage to Ferrari’s name/brand by being publicly named ‘cheats’ was unacceptable, so it happened behind closed doors. It’s all fun and games until a huge brand takes a public beating. I expect they would do the same for other teams as well (especially Merc or Red Bull), that seems to be the direction things are going. We don’t want anyone getting hurt, do we...
@M1ggins
@M1ggins 2 жыл бұрын
If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.
@insertgenericusernamehere2402
@insertgenericusernamehere2402 2 жыл бұрын
Don't have a discord and I recall you saying if you want to put forward any suggestions for videos out there to use your discord. The suggestion I was going to make was on the conspiracy of Fernando Alonso being shocked by his car during pre season practice in Spain. Definitely something interesting and odd happened there. Would be cool to hear your take on it.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
I do mention discord at the end of the video.
@insertgenericusernamehere2402
@insertgenericusernamehere2402 2 жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillwardahh yes, I'm too stupid to understand how to work it and still haven't got an account.
@Chrisuu
@Chrisuu 2 жыл бұрын
Yay first 2 minutes gang
@duncani3095
@duncani3095 2 жыл бұрын
Aidan, have you read how to build a car by Adrian Newey? A must read for petrol heads.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
I used the book to write the video on the Mp4 18
@duncani3095
@duncani3095 2 жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillward a great read. For me it was such fun to see all the people who crossed paths with him during his career. And a rare window into such a brilliant man. Also learned a lot, for instance, i love the look of the late '80s, early '90s cars. Small, light and nimble. That Layton House looks particulary good to me, and surprise! It's one of his cars. 😊 Cheers mate. 👍🏼
@Marqk-
@Marqk- Жыл бұрын
Tracing point scandal got swept under the rug
@ryanjonathanmartin3933
@ryanjonathanmartin3933 Жыл бұрын
They were fined for copying the brake duct design. They were literally fined.
@jasonrushton5991
@jasonrushton5991 Жыл бұрын
Bloody Good One ALL With This Video, We Could All See It, As It Was Happening In Races!!!! Ahh Well, next! ;-)
@dirkstrickland135
@dirkstrickland135 2 жыл бұрын
Why even bother with those engine trickeries when a team can abuse the budget cap and replace a new ICE every 3 races to get extra juice.
@mitchellbaker6528
@mitchellbaker6528 2 жыл бұрын
They'd have to take a hit in the budget elsewhere to make up for it. So you are complaining that Mercedes was smart about where to spend the money?
@dirkstrickland135
@dirkstrickland135 2 жыл бұрын
@@mitchellbaker6528 ICE replacement is completely exempted from budget cap regulations. What Mercedes does defeat the purpose of having a budget cap in the first place. There is an article about similar loopholes by Mark Hughes.
@oxcart4172
@oxcart4172 2 жыл бұрын
If I ran a team that gets millions more than any other team and still had to cheat to win, I'd seriously wonder about the quality of my personnel
@mkcdavies
@mkcdavies 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting piece Aidan, wasn’t this the period when the Ferrari engines were very ‘smokey’? Could that indicate something else going on with the fuel and oil?
@Doggy-B
@Doggy-B 2 жыл бұрын
That Jenson pic needed the "thug life" treatment 🤣
@RaceSimCentral
@RaceSimCentral Жыл бұрын
I firmly believe that Vettel had a better car than Hamilton at least one season during his time there. It was really only Vettel's mistakes when under pressure that lost him a championship for them. And yeah, it might not have been legal. :) I do wonder if it would have been swept under the rug if he had won......
@Dalejrandsr88
@Dalejrandsr88 2 жыл бұрын
The rules are made to find all the gray areas. Everyone does it. Some just do it better
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
There’s going for a grey area (DAS, double diffuser, blown diffuser, f duct) and there’s a flat out attempt at dodging the rules. Since the rule book even prior to the 2019 US GP said dodging that sensor was against the rules, if Ferrari was doing it, then it falls into the latter.
@dumptrump3788
@dumptrump3788 Ай бұрын
When it comes to cheating you can score it by how many "Schumachers" it deserves. IMO this one is a 4 Schumachers on a scale of 1 Schumacher (being the least) to 10 Schumachers (being the worst, such as "I'm ramming the competition off the road/I'm just gonna park in front of the competition during qualifying" level)
@mignik01
@mignik01 2 жыл бұрын
The mercedes engine "was designed to run for 3 races" excuse is bullsh*t. 1. When redbull made enough noise in Brazil and said they would protest the results if they ran the rear wing in Saudi Arabia, the advantage went away. They were still more powerful but not ridiculous and more in line with their explanation that the engine was designed to run for less races. 2. Lewis was pulling cars in from over a second away at the end of straights. You can't get a 30 kph speed delta by making an engine run harder. It has to be combined with drag reduction in a way that was at least bending the rules. 3. If they could gain that much performance advantage (i.e; overtaking people from a second back) legally, people would be swapping out engines more often. That is too much of an advantage to give up. Because it only happened for one race and redbull won eventually, this was swept under the rug just like Ferrari in 2018. I hate it when British people are biased like this.
@ElectoneGuy
@ElectoneGuy 2 жыл бұрын
AGS, Rial, EuroBrun, Osella, Coloni - do them, do them!
@kariymchristopher6986
@kariymchristopher6986 2 жыл бұрын
Good prediction they are fighting for wins
@BlueJazzBoyNZ
@BlueJazzBoyNZ Жыл бұрын
The FIA again being open and Transparent opps silly me This is F1 Win at all costs whichever part of the " Sport ? " arena your in..
@chineseredneck1211
@chineseredneck1211 Жыл бұрын
You would think Ferrari would be better at sand bagging. It's not like you can't tune the engine map to reduce the obvious advantage
@VonBlade
@VonBlade Жыл бұрын
1:50 I don't mind that, given that they invented the TH rules to help Mercedes.
@dumptrump3788
@dumptrump3788 4 ай бұрын
3:20 "The Immortal 5" Schumacher stole his first World Championship by ramming off the track the guy who was going to pass him & win, instead. Schumacher cheated, not for the last time & only deserves to be classed as a "4" & even that's without the years of cheating & cheating attempts that followed ("Michael, you hit the wrong part of his car, my friend!" etc etc)
@dansmith6909
@dansmith6909 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Aidan pal
@beefsuprem0241
@beefsuprem0241 2 жыл бұрын
Well it added a little excitement between mercs processions to the title. Also thought it was quite funny when vettel lost it at Baku and yeeted into Hamilton.
@tedtheo7131
@tedtheo7131 2 жыл бұрын
its not a bus stop, its not called a bus stop, spa hasnt had a bus stop chicane since 2005, which at this point is a long time ago.
@louisbeerreviews8964
@louisbeerreviews8964 2 жыл бұрын
Wrong is slit called bus stop chicane
@tedtheo7131
@tedtheo7131 2 жыл бұрын
@@louisbeerreviews8964 not on the circuit's official website, nor any official literature. it is simply referred to as chicane now
@discosteve8666
@discosteve8666 2 жыл бұрын
Wonder if they ever were caught red-handed using a radio/magnetic interference device to influence the signals carried on officially certified wiring harness...
@scrubsrc4084
@scrubsrc4084 2 жыл бұрын
At the time we thought that maybe ferrari were using sensors that were reading low on the output
@CijaniD0071
@CijaniD0071 2 жыл бұрын
Stuck in 2018 ?
@stanislavkostarnov2157
@stanislavkostarnov2157 2 жыл бұрын
originally read: "sandal brushed under the carpet" thought it would be a failed brakes story...
@blacktoothfox677
@blacktoothfox677 2 жыл бұрын
haha!
@mmazz30
@mmazz30 2 жыл бұрын
Here’s an idea...100kg of fuel, use it how you want to....but it might not get you to the end of the race. Funny how Honda say goodbye, then design a new engine that out won the mercs (wins) if you count the last 1 lap “race”
@jdbb3gotskills
@jdbb3gotskills Жыл бұрын
If you ain’t cheatin’ you ain’t racin’
@headsetlucky13
@headsetlucky13 2 жыл бұрын
I was at montreal. There was a smell of burnt oil in the air no idea where it came from
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
All the teams were doing it at that point, could have been any one of the twenty cars on the track.
@stevepiccinnin1157
@stevepiccinnin1157 2 жыл бұрын
This guy is hilarious
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