The Secret NEW Heating Tech Of ISH 2023

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Жыл бұрын

Wondering what's coming next to the world of heating? In this video, Adam and Simon travel to Frankfurt to visit ISH, and reveal all the latest and greatest in heat pump technology!
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@K-carbon
@K-carbon Жыл бұрын
All these new heat pumps and tech is great but at the end of the day the price of this stuff is nuts and keep going up in price like alot of people just can't afford these units
@gothan8336
@gothan8336 Жыл бұрын
There's BUS scheme as well which makes it more affordable.
@mike-ology22
@mike-ology22 Жыл бұрын
The system is going to collapse and Adam is just ignoring it. Flying to the corruot Germans with their emission scandal. Why would we trust them? World War 2. Crashed the economy, we paid all their war debts through the debt relief scheme you and I paid for while they Lap it up destroying our country. Tide is turning my friend, England is about to wake up the lions and its gonna get messy
@MickeyBlue-eyes
@MickeyBlue-eyes Жыл бұрын
All this will be available on Mars when the rich leave us behind.
@MickeyBlue-eyes
@MickeyBlue-eyes Жыл бұрын
​@@gothan8336 😂
@TheDickPuller
@TheDickPuller Жыл бұрын
C’mon, most of the stuff manufactured in Germany, Scandinavia, Holland - any Northern Europe country is well over priced & the engineering is no better or appliances more reliable. It’s a Rip-off, thank fuck we’re out the EU!!!
@reganovich
@reganovich Жыл бұрын
Thats great to see..looks like great new tech and good craic as well! Can you do another video about what you've seen and explain the benefits of it but also if you see it as likely to come into the British market and what you think is the most likely to make a breakthrough! Cheers lads!
@ricos1497
@ricos1497 Жыл бұрын
I've been drunk in Frankfurt before too. Great place.
@glightsolutions
@glightsolutions Жыл бұрын
It was bloody amazing.
@nickieredshaw7835
@nickieredshaw7835 Жыл бұрын
Yer thanks for a great video very informative and helpful
@CaptBill69
@CaptBill69 Жыл бұрын
Good to see new tech. Wondering how the efficiency ratings compare to the newer mini split heat pumps that have variable speed dc motors (power w ac through an inverter controller), and can do both heating and cooling 🤔
@MrKlawUK
@MrKlawUK Жыл бұрын
that Vaillant DHW heat pump is fascinating. I've seen ones with heat pumps but I think they needed air feed? taking heating loop is very smart. How would it work if your heating is off though - guess you'd need your CH pumps working even in warm weather and accepting ambient water temps. Could be super convenient for putting tanks in houses with limited space now so many moved to combi..
Жыл бұрын
There is an electric heating element in the boiler => out of the heating season the sun is irradiating your solar panels and this will be sufficient to warm up your DHW. This is a very clever idea as the main heating system can be kept very simple with 1 circuit, at the lowest flow temperature possible. I made the assumption there were solar panels but they are on almost every german roof.
@magdalenalenczuk958
@magdalenalenczuk958 Жыл бұрын
Loving the new technology and that you went to Germany and shared your experience... I'd like to know if you could also share your knowledge about Ground Source Heat Pumps? I recognise that the market is a lot more niche due to the cost and availability of specialists regarding GSHPs but would be nice to get some general knowledge/opinion from people in the industry. 😄
@andrewglasby6317
@andrewglasby6317 Жыл бұрын
Looking good simon ❤❤
@NetZeroTech
@NetZeroTech 5 ай бұрын
Great video! 😀
@emsiemorris3416
@emsiemorris3416 Жыл бұрын
Mind blown!
@michaelbowker7798
@michaelbowker7798 Жыл бұрын
I Love This
@homegrown241
@homegrown241 Жыл бұрын
Was there anything relating to water-based airconditioning. You touched on in at the Vaillant booth, with the cooling through underfloor heating/cooling. But here in Holland there's a importer of Italian made airconditioning that uses water to cool te condenser. The heat from the building is transferred to the water and stored in a buffer. To keep this water cold one could just dump it or use it in the washing machine or even, through clever piping, route it to the shw line or shw-store. I've been looking for information on this subject. The device used for this is the Innova H2O.
@gothan8336
@gothan8336 Жыл бұрын
Heat pump in reverse. But Instead of dumping cold water to ufh loops, it goes through separate circuit connected to water fed air wall units.
@grahamastor4194
@grahamastor4194 11 ай бұрын
We're building a new home in Spring 2024, what is the latest tech coming to the UK? Any of this "all in one" gear? Many thanks for the great content on this channel.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Жыл бұрын
Great video. I like the look of intergas heat pump
@singlendhot8628
@singlendhot8628 Жыл бұрын
You would say that! I'm surprised you're not poo poo'ing all over Viessmann's tech ;)
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Жыл бұрын
@@singlendhot8628 skipped Viessmann part - lol
@charliek9723
@charliek9723 Жыл бұрын
I am hoping you can help me I live in a detached four bedroom house and have proton boiler fully modulating,and a separate water tank, could you please give me some advice what would be the best thermostat?
@ice4142
@ice4142 Жыл бұрын
Our house is old enough that it wasn't designed for a hot water cylinder. Other houses have taken them out for a loo and new builds just have combis. Fitting a cylinder is a challenge
@markgambrill
@markgambrill Жыл бұрын
We moved ours to the loft. Plenty solutions around just need to get water to/from it.
@teanau11
@teanau11 Жыл бұрын
Lol I think I better get a Combi, at least no cylinder at all
@sniperpd9505
@sniperpd9505 9 ай бұрын
Did you see any electric combi boilers that would fit in flats.
@barryfoster453
@barryfoster453 7 ай бұрын
Indeed - thanks for adding that to the inane comments here. The future in Britain is quite clearly flats. Where I live, it is ALL that is being built. There is no space for any of this fancy and ridiculous shite. Electric combis are great...if a little more complicated than I would prefer. I like CH and HW to be EXTREMELY simple. I'm just coming up to 65 and have been in the game since 16. This focus on complicated heating makes me laugh.
@sniperpd9505
@sniperpd9505 7 ай бұрын
I don't know anyone who has an electric combi boiler and none of the videos I see on You Tube mention them for heating and hot water in flats. Are they more efficient than gas combo boilers. Are they used for heating flats in Nordic countries or do they have communal heating systems by ASHP? . @@barryfoster453
@inderveerjohal7218
@inderveerjohal7218 Жыл бұрын
Am currently building a 6000 sq.ft. House and need to figure out how to heat and cool it… the area will be spread over three floors and there will be UFH on all floors… what sort of size heat pump would be needed and could it do ‘some’ cooling too?
@TheDickPuller
@TheDickPuller Жыл бұрын
The ISH is fantastic!!! It’s over 20 years since I was there in Frankfurt with Dan Holohan, friends & business colleges from across the Pond. The size of venue is breathtaking, we spent 5 days there, so much to see & do. Germany is a great country, everything just works!! I’m just back from Munich, another amazing city. Thanks Skater Boy. Luv Dick Puller.❤️❤️
@mrjh8467
@mrjh8467 Жыл бұрын
The 3-in-1 in one solution from Valiant is interesting. Hopefully it goes mainstream when we move next in a decade or so.
@gothan8336
@gothan8336 Жыл бұрын
It's already here sort of. You get Vaillant Arostor already available in UK installed in loft and connected to mvhr's exhaust and that's your invention done.for the hot water at least. For heating you'll require a lot more air flow though.
@waqasahmed939
@waqasahmed939 Жыл бұрын
@@gothan8336 Invention done? How does that compare to an unvented cylinder?
@tlangdon12
@tlangdon12 Жыл бұрын
Gothan8 is explaining that you can connect the Vaillant Arostor air inlet to a MHRV exhaust to recover more heat - heat that would otherwise be exhausted from the house. The Arostor is an unvented hot water cylinder with an ASHP sat on top of it.
@fluidsolutions8124
@fluidsolutions8124 Жыл бұрын
Why isn’t the UK developing this tech? We seem well behind the curve
@markrainford1219
@markrainford1219 Жыл бұрын
Aren't we?
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
Becaise we underinvested in the manufacturing we once had so we could move to banking
@wouterthijssen9693
@wouterthijssen9693 Жыл бұрын
Kensa manufactures over 40% of the UK’s GSHPs!
@andrewmillwardwatford9410
@andrewmillwardwatford9410 Жыл бұрын
In the 80s our government decided to switch to service industry.
@hu5tle-
@hu5tle- Жыл бұрын
How about a list of the vendors you visited??
@elliottvenus
@elliottvenus Жыл бұрын
Did you ever make that video about infrared heating panels? I'm in a victorian semi-detached house with no central heating, so this past winter has been painful to say the least, just wondering if they are worth a go as they are so much cheaper than installing a central heating system!
@Danbjazz
@Danbjazz Жыл бұрын
We have IR panels in our Victorian terrace, and we’re very happy with them. Cheap to purchase, and relatively easy to install (if you hardwire them it’s a little more involved and you’ll need a suitably qualified electrician, but that is a better option IMO). However, the monthly cost of running them is likely higher; that said, we currently pay £133 a month and British Gas are telling us that’s on track, and we were not shy using them during the winter months. The heat they generate is a little different, more like being in direct sunlight, but I find that very pleasant. We did explore air and ground source heating pumps, but as the property did not have a wet system installed, the upfront cost was simply prohibitive for us. We may re-assess in a few years time, but I imagine we’ll stick with the IR panels for a while. Also, we went for the higher end panels (Herschel), as we did hear some reviews of the cheaper ones being terrible. I think Herschel have a showroom somewhere in the UK, if it’s nearby, could be worth a visit to experience them for yourself.
@clivebashford2056
@clivebashford2056 6 ай бұрын
I have a flexible wall hung picture heater which cost £59 pounds and uses 420 watts. It has a very low thermal mass so it gives instant heat, and is a large size so that it is not too hot to touch. Forget about the air temperature, but think in terms of being up a mountain surrounded by snow enjoying the warm sun. All it needs is a picture hook and a socket, so you can move it around easily. It wouldn't be safe in a bathroom though, unless it was properly wired in with a pull cord or remote switch. Unfortunately they are made in Russia, and I wish we could make things in Britain.
@hitub3
@hitub3 6 ай бұрын
Are hybrid gas/HP any good?
@mcmullen7143
@mcmullen7143 Жыл бұрын
Hi. Can I throw a curve ball into the renewable debate please? There are now a lot of high density ceramic storage blocks which store solar electricity or from the mains, releasing the heat to heat CH and HW. There are also chemical storage units. (Caldera are a special case for industrial users) Are they cost effective? Disappointing that they are Still subject to VAT as nor deemed to be “green”.
@user-lf7gn4ku9n
@user-lf7gn4ku9n 4 ай бұрын
Which heat pumps do you recon are the best on the market at the moment.
@alexf2349
@alexf2349 11 ай бұрын
What does heat geek think about the shootout on next gen heat pumps refrigerant types? Did the ISH change your opinion on R410a, R454b, R32, R290. Specifically for cold climate zones (such at -25'C).
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek 11 ай бұрын
It’s all about next gen fridges.. this was from before ish though…
@normanboyes4983
@normanboyes4983 Жыл бұрын
Would be useful to have included a few links to the other channels.
@michaelmckeown2430
@michaelmckeown2430 Жыл бұрын
I'd like to find the channel for shk
@mihaificu
@mihaificu Жыл бұрын
Great video. We are so far behind some european countries
@graemefield8983
@graemefield8983 Жыл бұрын
These look great , but whats the price, how much does these things cost, equipment and install?
@barryfoster453
@barryfoster453 7 ай бұрын
...no answer from Heat Geek! And that says everything you need to know.
@rubenarellano3959
@rubenarellano3959 Жыл бұрын
55C output and COP 4, but at what inlet fluid temperature?! Ground source can run as low as -5C….
@JohnnyMotel99
@JohnnyMotel99 Жыл бұрын
Does a heat pump have to installed at ground level or can it be fixed on a flank wall above ground?
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
Can be wall mounted
@JohnnyMotel99
@JohnnyMotel99 Жыл бұрын
@@HeatGeek That would really suit my property since the side and back are space restricted. I like the look of the Intergas system with both boiler and heat pump.
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
@Bad Robot gas and heat pump are reserved fir very niche properties. A waste of money for most
@johnfreshwater3790
@johnfreshwater3790 Жыл бұрын
Great new video Adam. Do they ever do a similar show in the uk.It's a shame you didn't bump into Roger Bisby but guess that's unlikely as he has another video with Omnie products which I couldn't even watch all of it as he is so negative about heat pumps. He obviously had no idea how to install them!
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
I doubt he was here lol
@steveearley8352
@steveearley8352 Жыл бұрын
Can’t really understand what I heard on the Vaillant. Is it an heat pump and storage tank in one? In other words, no need for an ASHP outside? If so count me in! I’ve a 200l tank in the garage with a lot of overhead and side room to fit this and if it can be linked to my PV and Battery … winner!!
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
Yep.. all in 1
@steveearley8352
@steveearley8352 Жыл бұрын
@@HeatGeek thanks, and count me in! All I need is a Cheshire based expert to talk to about this 👍🏼
@gazzat5
@gazzat5 Жыл бұрын
3:51 it is a split unit and does have an external unit. Where else would it get the heat from?
@dolmarf411
@dolmarf411 6 ай бұрын
it was for hot water. not for radiators.
@peterhulston4627
@peterhulston4627 Жыл бұрын
🙏🏻
@aidanoconnor7299
@aidanoconnor7299 Жыл бұрын
This stuff is great but, counterintuitively, is delaying my move to a heat pump as it makes me think that delaying my transition by a few years will mean that I'll get a better solution. Installing a heat pump is a large cost and is something that will be in the house for many years so I want it to be the right one and not result in years of buyer's remorse. (For context, I live in a 2016 build so it's an efficient and well insulated home which is suitable for a heat pump.)
@teanau11
@teanau11 Жыл бұрын
Your well insulated home is also suitable for a much cheaper, smaller, and much powerful Combi boiler
@dolmarf411
@dolmarf411 6 ай бұрын
heat pumps last only 5 years, and cost 5000€. normal boilers go last 30+ years and cost same or less.
@sjcsystems
@sjcsystems Жыл бұрын
Are we getting more content on air to air?
@digger14a
@digger14a Жыл бұрын
Why not Visit the Stiebel Eltron Stand.
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
We did.. nothing particularly innovative there
@markhoffman
@markhoffman Жыл бұрын
You gotta spend green to go green.
@alanmainwaring1830
@alanmainwaring1830 2 ай бұрын
When I lived in the UK over 60 years ago most houses used coal, wood or gas. But no way did we try to heat the whole house. Unless of course you were quite rich. Bedrooms were left unheated. On visiting the UK in 2018, my cousin was a gas engineer every home I visited was heated with gas. The whole houses were nice and warm and heated with Hydronic systems. I then thought how on earth do these people afford to install and heat all of their homes? Recently I saw a Heat Geek video of large home being heated by underfloor hydronic system using an air to water heat pump. The cost was enormous around 10,000 pounds. That would translate here in Australia where I live now to about $20,000 AUS. My first issue is why try to heat the whole house ? Second why use water as a source of heat? Water has a very high specific heat, you have to pump in enormous amounts of heat to raise its temperature by only a small amount. OK I can understand having an air to water heat pump for your hot water but having a large house with hydronic system is complicated and expensive. At my place which is a small home about 100 square meters no insulation. I installed an air to air Mini split in my lounge for about $3000 AUS. By the way I did this myself and that $3000 includes the HVAC tools. At the moment it is 6 deg C outside and the lounge is 26 deg C the mini split is drawing power at the rate of 1Kw, I am not sure what the COP would be, but I sure am saving quite a bit of money on my power bill. Why don't more people in the UK use Air to Air mini splits you can get units that will do say two rooms and of course not only do they heat they cool as well. By the way some parts of Australia like the Blue Mountains get down to minus 15 deg C and the air to air still work quite well.
@MrRawMonkey
@MrRawMonkey Жыл бұрын
Built into the walls, handy for faults and repairs.
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
The doors are removable
@streaky81
@streaky81 7 ай бұрын
The thing manufacturers are missing, and that Viessmann thing is pretty cool, and I get what they're trying to do - batteries and inverters used to have this problem but they're learning now - IP66/7 and insulate and let me attach say the kit at 9:50 to my outside wall and I'll be a very happy boy - because that still doesn't really solve the actual problem, it just looks tidier, but you still have the space problem - the heat pump is out there, why can't a big tank of water go with it? One day, one day.. In fact why isn't there a solution where I can get a heat pump, a tank for hot water, all the pumps I'll need, batteries and an inverter, all in one unit, attached to my outside wall - the whole deal connects to my house's electrics and piping in one place, you could even harvest heat energy from your batteries and inverter; granted not much but.. It's not even as if you have to invent any new technology, you just have to build a cabinet system and fit it all in, could be delivered as one complete unit, factory built or at least modular, making installs easier but also factory tested too.
@plumbertime
@plumbertime Жыл бұрын
Putting it in an airing cupboard, sorry wall/airing cupboard is genius. This technology is moving so fast I feel now is not the time to invest as an end user. As an investment tho get yourself in their!
@pumpkinhead456
@pumpkinhead456 Жыл бұрын
There is never a right time, the best tech is always just around the corner, so find something that suits now then unsubscribe :)
@plumbertime
@plumbertime Жыл бұрын
@@pumpkinhead456 just the fact he’s asking about the refrigerant gas and some are saying not right now, clearly shows the product will be massively upgraded very soon. This means as a home owner todays tech is clearly not tomorrows. That’s my point. Let them get to be the best then get one!
@LeeJones-dj9nx
@LeeJones-dj9nx Жыл бұрын
could you maybe balance the voices withe the advert levels of intro sounds???
@MickeyBlue-eyes
@MickeyBlue-eyes Жыл бұрын
Intergas looks like something out of Alien
@dolmarf411
@dolmarf411 6 ай бұрын
made in india....
@jezp6876
@jezp6876 Жыл бұрын
The videos are great but it’s a shame you don’t have the courtesy to answer emails when someone is trying to give you work…
@LabRat6619
@LabRat6619 Жыл бұрын
I'm releasing a new product you can burn wood on, I have a working title of " burny woody ". It might take off.
@Macro_Abuser
@Macro_Abuser Жыл бұрын
I've never read any positive reviews from a NIBE heating system in the UK
@Timberjagi
@Timberjagi Жыл бұрын
Never knew Intergas is Dutch (the accent is always easy to recognise lol), the one thing i'm a bit surpised by is most brands seems to have sales people running around on ISH but with the easiest technical question you could see they started doubting themselfs..
@dolmarf411
@dolmarf411 6 ай бұрын
yeah, they don't know anything, just for showing off.
@ianpuddick
@ianpuddick Жыл бұрын
UK Viessman back up & service is very poor and has been for many many years I proudly have an email from Viessman MD asking me to not install there products 😂 We install 150+ WB boilers & 90+ Electric Heating Boilers We show the letter to customers who want Viessman
@dolmarf411
@dolmarf411 6 ай бұрын
its not invisible. its just in a cabinet.........no space to put a cabinet in front off it....
@alcord2540
@alcord2540 Жыл бұрын
Keep turning volume down.Excessive background music then can't hear the commentary. Who mixed this.
@randomcamerajunk6977
@randomcamerajunk6977 Жыл бұрын
Eurobros get all the best gear😢
@teanau11
@teanau11 Жыл бұрын
When I have a relatively smaller, quieter, and much powerful gas boiler, with relatively smaller size radiators, and relatively cheaper energy bill What is the benefit from heatpump? Except this is a relatively “new” technology
@tkacandes2052
@tkacandes2052 Жыл бұрын
Please do not get a heat pump - problem solved! From a net carbon to atmosphere standpoint, it could be you'd be better to first get an electric bike and/or car, then install solar and a battery. Unless your boiler runs all the time it being "much powerful" has no actual advantage because it is simply off a lot of the time, but start elsewhere and let the idea of a powerful boiler make you happy.
@maximuswong3092
@maximuswong3092 Жыл бұрын
I have a 20KW water source heat pump I'm my house, it's shit.
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear you got a crap installation. Unfortunately it's common. We're trying to change that though
@singlendhot8628
@singlendhot8628 Жыл бұрын
The CTO of Viessmann UK is a clear representation of why the brand has such terrible customer service and support.
@allandewar
@allandewar Жыл бұрын
Not had very good results from Nube 😕
@slef2003
@slef2003 Жыл бұрын
Why do yuou have the linking muzak so much louder than teh speech? Unwatchable
@heatpump8566
@heatpump8566 Жыл бұрын
You boys keep asking about the refrigerant gas ? It’s not a big thing if you deal with fgas all the time? The difference is generally global warming, but they rarely leak?
@waqasahmed939
@waqasahmed939 Жыл бұрын
They start leaking heavily towards the end of their life though The biggy also is also how long it stays in the atmosphere. If it's only in the atmosphere for a few days, no real harm done
@BenIsInSweden
@BenIsInSweden Жыл бұрын
There are other differences too e.g. against r32, r290 is more efficient especially for higher flow temperature scenarios but it's more flammable so should only be used in monoblocks.
@TheDickPuller
@TheDickPuller Жыл бұрын
Global Warming?! The Planet is 3-4°C cooler than it was 1500 years ago!! Unfortunately, Skater Boy Adam has been brain washed by the Tree Huggers. Once they stop eating meat, they lose vital vitamins & their brain shrinks!!!!
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
Two main other things are max flow temp and effy at max flow temp.
@jaminns3801
@jaminns3801 Жыл бұрын
I was going to ask about gas aswell. I work commercially with ice machines & we moved away from r32 years ago, my 2015 machines all had r290 then & now my latest machines I got in 2021 the manufacturer over in China spec’d them with r449 for ice machines using r32 would be considered to be seriously out dated by a decade or more. Is there a reason for still using r32 in these? I honestly don’t know it’s not a criticism I’m just interested?
@barryfoster453
@barryfoster453 7 ай бұрын
Heating has to be...Simple, cheap, reliable. That's it. And for that reason, 95% of the 'heating' market (heat pumps, solar, wind, infrared) is a joke. It reminds me of that mattress company which started up - and existed as a company, rather than selling a viable product. They were far more concerned about 'being' rather than providing a product.
@SuperWayneyb
@SuperWayneyb Жыл бұрын
🤘😎🤘🫖☕️
@davidw717
@davidw717 Жыл бұрын
Wish you'd give more time to actually look at the invisible wall instead of focusing on the chaps talking. 🤦
@bexhill8777
@bexhill8777 Жыл бұрын
Enviro-mental disaster..uter robbish.
@sennlich
@sennlich Жыл бұрын
put a hole in the wall. This is BS innovative! wtf
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