I read in an article about this sequel that Don Bluth would have made Timothy the villain. That makes more sense. Martin’s stronger, doesn’t get sick all the time and is smarter. He saved Timmy in the first scene, which was made their dad a hero. Timothy is smart enough to set machinations in order to become the chosen one or something. It’d be kinda cool if done properly.

Ah, but he is the son of that other mouse's husband Jonathan.

Have you ever considered reviewing The Secret of NIMH 2: Penis to the Rescue (ex: us voting for you to review it sometime, maybe next year when AniMat and Jambareeqi might review this shitfest ofa follow-up)??

LOL is that really the actual title 🧐

I also extend that question to Max Lucado and his Hermie series.

That's just nasty 🤮@@kieranstark7213

Well, if it helps, _The Buzz on Maggie_ portrayed a caterpillar as an actual infant - namely in the episode “The Candidate”. However, the show mainly focuses on flies, so maggots are portrayed much the same way.

*Yep. This is big brain time*

Had this movie been handled better instead of being another DVD sequel to Nimh and handled by either one of the Booth Brothers, the film could have worked, especially with the flying pigeons and army of rats invading Thorn Valley.

Emilio Bustamante "What the hell!? When did the rats of NIMH become a hostage cult?" - Nostalgia Critic

I clicked on 'like' out of accident because of laugh spasms while trying to click 'show responses'. But I'll keep it, because you've written the truth.

😂😂😂

Every single time I hear that line, it sounds fake. It must take true skill to write a line that outstandingly bad in a movie full of awkward writing! 😂

If you excuse me I am going to ask why

Except the film also ruins that concept as well, because despite how many years have passed by the film's end Mrs. Frisby is still alive and well; when being an ordinary field mouse she should have either been dead before the start of the film or on her death bed.

IAmTheUnison good point

@@IAmTheUnison she probably got mutated by the magic rock thing Nicodemus gave her and that's why she's doomed to live a long life of becoming a lich queen.

Excuse me while I go scream at a wall.

Quite frankly their not a town worth saving or fighting over

Yet more proof that N.I.M.H. should have had its funding cut LONG ago. Intelligent rats my eye...

Yep. 😌Misogyny anyone? 😓I mean, correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Mrs. Brisby warn the rats that NIMH was coming for them in the original movie!?😌🤬

MrXemnas1992 Yup! Just another case of bad-writing/character-botching/lack of attention to continuity/IDIOT PLOT.

@@jacobbelow4136 Aka a bad fanfiction that somehow got animated!

"Upcycling materials". Yes, they have food, but they can't just grow metals or the like and have shown using human sized items such as beakers, even in the first movie

Gregory House What about Eric Idle?

mariic2 I meant the ones for Timmy.

@@mariic2 Eric Idle was probably the best thing about this movie.

Not to mention, this sequel had turned the other characters into jerks. They scold Timothy for being reckless and arrogant when it was their fault for praising him for just being Jonathan's son and nothing else. Then there's the fact that they had refused to help Jenny's family and kept her as some prisoner. Who are we supposed to root for again?

At least you can kind of excuse the fairies thing in Maleficent as her view on them.

the1koolkitty @ the1koolkitty PREACH! This film did my man Martin dirty. UGH. 😑

Ironically I read somewhere that Don Bluth wanted to make a sequel with Timmy as the villain.

the1koolkitty They ripped off the plot line of Martin's jealousy from the subplot about Nuka and Kovu from Lion King 2. However, that subplot worked because it didn't involve any stupid plot twists, and, it was because Nuka was rejected by his own father, who instead favored Kovu, even though Kovu wasn't Scar's biological son.

Because 90s

produced by WANG ANIMATION

Still better than Foodfight's "animation."

Cuz it’s cheap

Jumpstart has better animation then this movie

...because bad writing.

But Teresa was a girl, and that would have given the movies cooties.

Or they just killed Cynthia off for scripts sake. You bastards!

​@@minespatchGod forbid the writers find out about trans people lol. Especially trans women.

mariic2 I remember that Robot Chicken skit, LOL!

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa??!!!

@@questworldiangreenknight7455 Watership Fraggle was a Robot Chicken sketch.

@@Jaceblue04 ooooh. That makes so much more sense, but at the same time WHY?!😂😂😂

The one that had Chris Evans

Don't worry, it's a valid use of the sexism card.

Yeah, and it's worth remembering too that Mrs. Frisby did all that she did without being genetically-altered! She was just a simple field mouse who saved a bunch of self-absorbed lab rats ALONG WITH her own family, so I agree...Where's Her Damn Statue!

MrXemnas1992 @ MrXemnas1992 It also doesn't help the fact that Teresa and Cynthia were just background dressing compared to their major roles in the first film. 😑

The fact that her incompetent brat gets a statue after doing the bare minimum yet she gets thrown into the background, barely mentioned, and ZERO statue despite being the reason the rats AND her kids are even alive is infuriating.

You have a point, though they also ignore Justine's heroics too, as he helped Brisby too, and defeated Jenner. Meanwhile, the kid gets praise just for existing, which granted feeds into his character flaw of "imposter syndrome," (a trait not seen often) but they should regard the others too.

Brandon Roberts pretty much

He didn't approve of the Land Before Time sequels either.

He also never approved of how Thumbelina OR A Troll in Central Park came out, either. And he got so fed up with "Pebble and the Penguin" that he TOOK HIS NAME OFF THE PICTURE.

Best of my knowledge Don Bluth didn't approve of ANY of the sequels to his work...with the possible exception of "Fievel Goes West", but I can't speak with any certainty on that.

+ultraofrahfan1 Well, nevermind. I guess he just generally didn't like sequels. ^^

Good start, it holds the story for the first five minutes or so, but it needs more tension. Who would the spy be? Why would they be a spy? How does the Brisby family connect to the spy? What is the plot relevance of the girls shopping and the brothers going to the library? Sidestepping those issues for now and working backwards from the end of this hypothetical movie, I think the theme of the film should be something akin to passing-of-the-torch. Mrs Brisby is an old woman now and it's time for her children to look after her like she looked after them when they were young. All four of them need individual arcs to reflect their growth and which can be neatly woven together in the climax. Given that Mrs Brisby is just a genetically ordinary field mouse with no enhanced lifespan, her children will have to come to terms with her mortality which IMO would make a stronger subplot than the shoehorned romance so many other films insist on.

@@helenanilsson5666 I also think Mrs. Brisby's aging should be a contributing factor. I think her and Justin can have a conversation about how growing old can be both a gift and a curse. That it can make you wiser, and appreciate what life has to offer, but it also forces you to acknowledge that time waits for no one (no matter the life span). Justin would also make a proposal for the Brisbys to live in Thorn Valley. Not only for Mrs. Brisby's sake, but also for her children's education and well being. She adamantly agrees her children deserve that, but she also holds a strong attachment to her old house in the field. 1.) I'd say this spy is either a Manchurian candidate from NIMH (unaware that he's a spy until a certain trigger sets him off), a Jenner sympathizer whose twisted ideology sees Justin as a false leader, or he's a poor soul being forced into a situation he doesn't want to be in (thus helping the real spies). He collects herbs, and spices for his business, and also for medicinal purposes. 2.) Honestly, wouldn't you want to explore a great place like Thorn Valley when given the opportunity? I totally would. By doing this it gives the place a sense of history and world building. As the characters explore the place, they learn more about it, and get use to the idea of living there if they ever decide to move. *-Teresa* (the oldest) would be the responsible type. She's very feminine in nature, but knows when to put her foot down when push comes to shove. She's calm but also self confident. She gets annoyed with Martin for his massive ego, but tries to do be more diplomatic. *-Martin* (the second oldest) would be the macho, jockey type who often butts heads with Teresa in terms of dominance. He's a bit of a self-centered lady's man, and overestimates his abilities, but would know when to back off when his temper gets the better of him. He wants to be a good role model to his younger brother (Timothy), and tries to be the man of the family. He also learns to be patient around Timothy, and knows when to be straight with others. *-Cynthia* (the second youngest) is a kind-hearted soul who wants people to get along. She has great empathy for her siblings, and passive in nature, but would try to find a solution to resolve the matter. When backed into a corner, her inner fury is unleashed, and a force to be reckoned with. Cynthia relates more to her younger brother (age wise), but loves to hang out with Teresa when doing certain activities together. *-Timothy* (the youngest) is a book worm, and wants to pursue a career in medicine after surviving pneumonia. Never knowing his dad, he wants to learn more about him, and also find a way to help their mom's waning health. Martin often teases him for being a nerd, and would often try to toughen him up. He looks up to his older brother, and would often spar with him, but also feels comfortable being an introvert. The spy would probably be in the library learning information about Justin, until he stumbles upon Timothy, and they bond over books, knowledge, and helping others. As they get to know each other more and more, the spy offers to help their mother's decreasing lifespan. Again, it's just more spit balling from my end. But it's fun to speculate.

@@liveslex5581 Hell, we could even find some homegrown musicians, animators, and song writers to make a better movie. The internet is amazing at letting us do that.

Helena Nilsson “How doesnthe Brisby family connect to the spy?” Easy, make them possible suspects. Remember the Council Rats had the hardest time respecting Brisby because she was an “outsider” and only started respecting her when her relation to Johnathon was told to then (as well as Jenner manipulating them to help). Have some of the rats give Brisby’s family the stink eye for being an outsider and some feeling she shouldn’t be given a free pass because she helped ONE time a long time ago (when she did it because she wanted them to help her). Also, have the kids accidentally get into some kind of trouble or accidentally be framed for some trouble. Boom! Instant distrust, Actual Conflict, and Motivation for the Brisby family to clear their names and find the culprit. ... Sorry, I watch a lot of Murder She Wrote, so I love setting up a good mystery

Here's now I'd do it. - Brisby is getting old. Her children are aging slower, and will be on their own. Brisby knows that her children are not ordinary mice though, and should not live as ordinary mice - they need someone who can take care of them and see they are educated, and there is only one possibility for that to happen: The rats. - Act One: The quest for the Rats. A bit of cross-country trek, as the aged Brisby and children follow clues and rumors to find the place where the rats fled to escape detection. - Act Two: The rats are found, and their community is... actually doing pretty well. Very, very well. The rats are smart - seriously smart, and now they have space to florish their society has turned into what appears (on the surface) like quite the utopia. Of course it isn't, because we need conflict for the story. The children are immediately swept up in the wonder of it. Brisby is alienated: This is just too much for an unaugmented mouse. - So it's time for our conflict! Which shall come in the form of meeting the local wildlife. While the rats have been advancing their technology to a level that would make the humans envious, they have also inherited some other traits of intelligence: They look down upon the less fortunate wildlife with contempt. Their irrigation has ruined the local habitat, their monoculture fields provide little foraging and are defended from scavenging birds. Local resistance has formed, but it is quite helpless, and the rats do not care. Yes, we're going for the old environmental cliche. It works... but we shall be subverting this shortly. - Now we need a hero, and a villain. For this we need first a villain, who advocate two approaches to dealing with the conflict. The villain rat favors aggression: He won't openly advocate killing all the non-augmented animals, but he does advocate driving them all away with a new super-weapon: A mad science spray that will poison all non-augmented creatures, forcing them to leave. - Meanwhile, our hero - one of the children, don't care which, they are all interchangeable - finds the deepest secret of NIMH: In a vault beneath the city, the rats have been conducting animal experiments of their own, capturing local creatures as test subjects. What foul purpose are they seeking? It certainly *looks* evil... but now it is time for our first big reveal. - Rat society is aware of the conflict with outsiders, and there are two factions of extremists - both with their own ethically-questionable way to deal with it. One faction sees the wild creatures are stupid, sub-rat, inferior being and seeks to get rid of them - they tell themselves that they are doing the right thing, justifying that they are protecting the community. The other, weaker faction has been using them to research the one thing that most rats consider too dangerous to research: Themselves. They want to recreate the research that granted the rats such intelligence in the first place, and amplify the effect into something far greater: A virus capable of rewriting animals at a deeper level, which will make rats so greatly super-intelligent they will be able to rule the world - subjugating all others to their benevolent dictatorship. They justify their actions by saying that the rats will surely be discovered one day, and the only way to survive human discovery is to be smarter even than the humans. - Both of these factions are presented as villains, because they rather clearly are. They are villains who believe they are acting for the greater good, like all the best villains, but their true motives are elitism and a fantasy-racism. Both seek to use the children as pawns, seeking their support, as a respected outsider could tip the balance of power. They science-solves-everything leader even offers Timothy a gift - a necklace containing a vial of their almost-perfected intelligence virus, telling him that it could make his mother as smart as any rat. - Final act: The balance is tipped. Not by the children, but by Brisby: He own strength of character, seeking to see her children are educated even though they will enter a world she can never truly be part of, convinces the rat leadership that the cost of *both* these plans is too high. They will not become like the humans. - This drives the leader of the kill-em-all faction into breakdown - fearing a rebellion of 'unintelligent' life, and his own reputation, he attempts to activate the dispersal machine. Now we get our climax, a chase through the bowels of the town machinery in a desperate effort to stop the activation of the death machine, finally arriving at the core - but the mice are too small, too slow - they can't stop it. We get the mandatory all-is-lost moment as the machine activates - and to make us really care, Brisby is the first to get hit by the gas cloud. - Now it's time for Timothy to save everyone - with his smarts. He can't stop the release of the toxin... but then he realises there's another way. He risks his life by jumping into the machine and forcing his vial into a pipe. Kill-em-all leader tries to chase and stop this, but he is too heavy for the frail pipework and falls to his off-screen death. - For a moment the rats look on in confusion. - Then worry. - Then absolute horror as they realize what Timothy has just done. - As the climax is over, Brisby and the other non-rats begin to cough and awaken. In an epilogue the community is seen again.. changed. The rat school has expanded now - greatly so, with new species seen among the students. An older, very frail-looking Brisby sits among them, learning to read. The rats are not alone now: With their research gone airborne, the entire valley shares in their intelligence. The former head researcher is stripped of his position for unethical experimentation, but still free. The rats are humbled: They are no longer superior in mind to all other animals. All are welcome now. Now, isn't that a better story? (Post-credit sequence: Jeremy is captured. As the camera pans out we see the trap, and more like it, all bearing a logo: N.I.M.H.)

jade smith 'Welcome to Duloc' is already a parody on 'It's a Small World'! Any film with a song that welcomes newcomers that makes THAT song good (as is the case with this movie) has accomplished something truly HORRENDOUS!

Please keep off of the grass, shine your shoes, wipe your... face.

I know right lol 🤣

Agreed.

That's exactly what I was wondering.

Sexism

At the Boulevard of Broken Dreams!

@@Reapermaskhybrid Where the city sleeps?

She deserves to have the statue, not her dorky son

Jennifer Schillig And, have the main conflict be that Thorn Valley has a hard time trusting Rasto (I think that was the kid's name in the book), since he was Jenner's son, so, he has to prove himself better by helping Timmy.

Amusingly, those sequel novels have better writing then this movie.

Jenner also was not a villain in the books, and died (semi)-heroically for his son's sake.

You know what the REALLY ironic thing about Jenner's character transition for adaptation is? Jenner is...NICODEMUS' BROTHER! *Dun, Dun, Duuuuuuuuuunnnn....!!!!

Jacob Below HOLY SHIT.

Jacob Below what?!

@@KrazyKelor And is implied to have died offscreen too after splitting from the main group awhile back.

Well, to be fair, those scientists including Valentine had their minds altered to behave like dogs. I'd say that's a fairly big punishment. As for the cats, I'll just assume that they're in the basements and got out through a window or something before NIMH crumbles away into nothing.

Well, statistically speaking the British make evil look good

Gotta get that Eric Idle out!

That's so sad 😞

Oy vey...

FYI, yes it's Phillip Glasser, but he plays Martin at the very end. At the beginning Martin is played by Phillip Van Dyke.

Mbunnyj methinks you are right in said assumption. Our mistress of musical hell has something she's hiding that only the angel she reviewed with in portal 2 seems to know.

Mbunnyj I have my own headcanon about Diva's backstory. She was actually an alto singer in the heavenly choir who loved all types of staged music, but fell in love with a rebelling angel. She got informed about all the crappy music and films humans will make and joined in on her lover's lost cause. I also think she was the devil in "The Devil Went Down to Georgia," as her job involves trying to collect souls of artists. As of now, after failing to collect enough souls per quota, she is now living on the expansion shelf condemning bad musicals as they embody a mix of lust and greed.

I headcanon that she’s a fallen angel

You know, if you go back and look at her other reviews with this knowledge in mind, suddenly a lot of offhand comments start popping out. For example, in Love Never Dies (#11), she says "...and I thought my career went downhill fast". And in Happily Ever After (#29), quote, (Batso is) "the type of evil minion who doesn't have the hang of the whole evil thing. Honestly, I can relate." She's always been giving us little tidbits.

@@illusoryVice Also, the beginning of the Grease 2 review.

Ooh, I need to look for that one. I'm hoping that, because of how different the death is for Jenner and his cohorts in the book vs. the movie, that the book sequel has the NIMH scientists assume that any of the other escaped rats would have died before Jenner or at around the same time, due to the more typical causes of accidental rat death. Because a world in which the NIMH scientists are no longer looking for the rats makes the forest colony at least plausible. A place that humans won't find unless they're looking for it is totally acceptable if humans AREN'T looking for it, after all.

@@lauraschantz9058 It's called Racso and The Rats of NIMH. Racso is in fact Jenner's wayward son who has left his city colony, after his followers died. The plot revolves around Timmy (or Timothy) and Racso going to Thorn Valley to get better education, while humans are planning to flood the Valley with a dam. IMO It would be a bit hard to adapt in animated feature form because of some changes, but it wouldn't be totally impossible.

IKR?? That would’ve been an awesome way to show the sibling rivalry and why Martin became resentful and jealous of Timmy. The rats don’t know which son is the chosen one, so both are invited to study and train under Justin’s guidance. Timmy is younger and more athletic, so he’s able to do better in the physical aspect, while Martin focuses on his studies and things like chess, knowing brute strength isn’t everything. Maybe Timmy starts to surpass him in academics as well, making Martin insecure about his capabilities and Timmy gets all the attention while Martin’s accomplishments always get ignored or constantly overshadowed by Timmy. This causes Martin to resent his brother despite Timmy tries apologizing and saying he didn’t mean to outshine him or even wanted to be popular or the hero. Martin gets even more mad, thinking Timmy is just pitying him and maybe finds another rat who doesn’t like all the attention and glory Timmy is getting. They work together on a project to make both look better and capable than Timmy, not knowing they’re losing their sanity by how they’ve let their jealousy consume them. And that’s kinda what I had for now lol

One could easily ask the same for most of the "Don Bluth" sequels.

But they replaced the voice actors for almost all the other characters - so why would this be such a problem?

Tell that to Xiaolin Chronicles

@@michaeliv284 At least they had Tara Strong and Jennifer Hale in again.

LuigiFan00001 Unlike the movie!

LuigiFan00001 that’s what I was gonna say 😂

I’d agree with you

said no one ever about this movie.

Would have made more sense for Martin to force himself to rise above his lack of being chosen and take out the laboratory, turning the test subjects into a militia to secretly defend Thorn Valley from the outside. Meanwhile Timmy cracks under all the chosen one pressure and, upon finding his brother alive and well and having done his job, flips out and hijacks the militia to try and take the respect he so craves by force. "I was the chosen one. Chosen to rule all of you!" And Martin ends up being the hero and having to stop Timmy.

+Mochitachi Better. Let it grow but every grow is replaced with Dabhdude's SML "criticism" music video called How Bad Can SML be.

Good choice!

Fun fact I saw this on Disney Channel YEARS ago (I think it was either2003 or 2004 because I remember commercials for the Eddie Murphy Haunted Mamsion and Kingdom Hearts II I think) once and had no idea what was going on (in fairness it was at a family Christmas party so I was all over the place) because I think it aired alongside Rescuers Down Under so the plots kind of merged in my head as I only saw bits and pieces of each

WATCH YOUR MOUTH LOL 🤣

m3rrys0ngstr3ss Maybe, as a kid I remember seeing this on Disney Channel, and thinking it was good. A few years back, I finally saw the original, and loved it. It made me realize the sequel was inferior. As this review suggests, on paper, it sounded like a good idea, but the execution and direction was poorly handled. It might be fun for kids, but unfortunately, it doesn’t hold up like the original.

Hopefully with a similar story arc fir each, flipping the plot twist on its head

A vice-versa version.

Not sure that would’ve helped anything.

That wouldn't make any sense lol 🤔🤣

I thought I was one of the only ones who read that horrible last book in the series!!

+JamesO'Sullivan That reminds me. I heard the film adaptations of that series are being rebooted with The Silver Chair. Which as it turns out is the PENULTIMATE BOOK in that series.

I'd defininity watched that

Hipster Onceler was truly a dark time for the internet.

ChocoDoeEyes, I thought of a documentary-esque title for that - Internet Dark Ages: Hipster Onceler Edition

I hated how almost the entire movie was a slap in the face to Dr. Suess's masterpiece. The animated special was much better.

Didn't Dangeresque frame the Lorax for murder?

Me too! I really hope she talks about the cut song "Biggering ", too!

Anna Linde Oh boy, I have too. Can't. Wait.

+AnnaLinde Yeah it's nice to see her go back to doing a bad musical adaptation.

At least he GETS a statue, unlike his poor mom

OOF 😮@@elsie8757 That's stings lol 🤣

Nostalgia Critic!

Gage Peruti Just burn the other disc. It’ll make you feel better.

Actually you can get the original film solo. I know this because I have a copy in my collection. It's not hard to find on Amazon.

The One Man Box Office But is it available in stores? That's where I generally buy movies.

Tate Hildyard There's just one problem with that: I don't want to just throw away half of my money.

I believe you mean Abigail, and there's no telling.

Yeah, and she was just an ordinary field mouse; no genetic-enhancements to make her special...just an simple little field mouse on a journey to protect her family.

IAmTheUnison @ IAmTheUnison The reasons why she is arguably one of my top favorite female/mother characters in fiction. 😀👧🏿👍🏿

+Chartina Harmon Same Here! ^^

@IAmTheUnison Yay! :)

I thought her name was Mrs Brisby?

The fourth movie will be The Secret of NIMH 4: Jenner Relives

The Cinematic Mind Key on, key off.

EYTPS The Fifth film would be The Secret of NIMH: Electric Boogaloo.

The Cinematic Mind The Secret of NIMH Holiday Special The Secret of NIMH 7: A Rat and Mouse Story (It'd be a BrisbyxJustin love story) A NIMH Tale: A NIMH and an American Tail Crossover

Not to mention the fact that Mrs brisby in this crappy sequel was voice by the same actress who voice tsunade from Naruto

For the longest time they threatened a PREQUEL, of all things: The Secret of NIMH 3: The Beginning (so original, wow) was supposed to cover everything already covered in Nicodemus' flashback sequence, ending right before the raid on the house that got Jonathan Brisby killed. Now there's talk of a live-action remake...but like the Australian live-action version of The Last Unicorn (which was reportedly going to have a CGI Red Bull face off against a mare with a horn glued to her forehead, can't you just feel the magic), hopefully it'll expire in Development Hell.

I dunno. Maybe it is best not to remake something as cherished as Secret of NIMH, but sometimes, I believe that if a classic deserves better tribute than a crappy sequel, maybe the remake is a better way of doing it justice. Charlotte's Web was an animated classic that got a crappy direct-to-DVD sequel in 2003, but then did get a decent live-action remake a couple years later. But yes, other times it's better to leave a classic alone.

Or they could have flipped the script entirely. Here is my idea.... Movie goes basically the same ui until the reach the lab. Timmy meets Martin, we see the militia, scientists are dogs. But, Martin is a good guy. He rose above the torture and chose to be the guy on the outside protecting those inside, forming the militia to protect Thorn Valley from humans and other major threats. It is how they hadn't been discovered yet. This is exciting for Martin cause "Hey lil bro. I'm alive and I can help you be the chosen one!" Cause he came to terms over the years. But, seeing all that Martin has done and basically doing Timmy's job, Timmy snaps Nd hijacks the Militia to take the respect he feels he was owed by force. Then Ages and Martin meet and team up to stop the now racing mad timmy, broken by years of pressure, and it turns out Martin was the chosen one after all cause he worked past his issues.

Hopefully he leaves this off his resume.

Unquestionably.

And it doesn't help that almost all problems Timmy helps solve only came to be due to Timmy being hailed as a hero, and growing arrogant from all worship, in the first place.

Eva Woolridge @ Eva Woolridge Gotta love some good ol' fashioned sexism in kid's films! 😑

Timmy did NOTHING. He was asleep through most of the first film and gets ONE line, where he's whining at his mom for having to stay in bed. Then the so-called "prophecy" in this film states that "a SON of Jonathan Frisby would be chosen to save the rats when Nimh reared its ugly head again" (this could have EASILY been Martin BTW. The prophecy didn't specify WHICH son and Martin was a much more interesting character. Also, I think it was LUDICROUS that they made Martin the villain and they barely gloss over the fact that he went missing. Like "oh BTW, Mom says my brother is missing and I didn't even bother to go home and help her look for him because I am so busy being a "hero") So Timmy goes to Thorn Valley and is IMMEDIATELY hailed as this glorious hero.....but he does NOTHING to earn this title. He abandons his post, putting his comrades in danger. He disobeys Jonathan and Mr. Ages....repeatedly....he puts the girl mouse in danger and almost gets her killed by Martin. The only half-baked heroic thing he does is go back into the burning building to save Martin from a fire that HE started. And he gets a statue. Where IS Mrs. Frisby's statue? Why isn't she in Thorn Valley being hailed as a hero?

I know right lol🤣It's really sad to say the least😭@@CeltycSparrow

Sick burn, brah. :D

Ariella Kahan-Harth And Quest for Camelot

Agreed!

Although you cannot just undo brainwashing, so that makes it even worse

EYTPS That's what DeviantArt is for-I'd much rather be reading Justing/Mrs. Brisby-shipping there than in the scripts of any of the writers for THIS film any day!

Jacob Below You know a movie is bad when fanfic is more entertaining.

What in the world was in the medicine that they gave him

Actually no The first film made it clear NIMH was a torturous place that the Rats remember as an hive of cruelty

@@koshavinka2995 The book was rather different then.