Came here from Rick Beato’s channel. Ted, Thank You for sharing your studies. Really gives me a new way of thinking about how and why music has evolved. I have decided to write a ten minute song. ❤️

Wanna hear a funny story about music shame - or lack thereof? My former sister-in law (for a while a VERY well-known celebrity) liked to cultivate a sophisticated image even though she'd grown up poor and down-home. Her husband, a true New York sophisticate, was fond of country and bluegrass music - and didn't care what anyone else thought about it - or him. So she played opera recordings at home and didn't want to him to play what he liked - which was in fact the music she grew up with. One day, with a particularly over-wrought aria (from Lakme, as I recall) blasting on their stereo, she turned to her husband with tears in her eyes and said "I really don't know why this music makes me cry - but I can't help it." He replied - "I know - it's the lack of banjos." Insert rim shot here...

I'm not ashamed to say that Eyes Without a Face by Billy Idol nearly brings me to tears for some reason. Maybe cuz I'm subliminally reminded that my teenage years are irretrievable. But that song is really amazing.

Hi Ted, enjoyed your perspective about today's music industry and how it relates to musicians from Rick Beato's interview on his channel. (this will probably be long, so apologies ahead of time) In my 40's I started to grow weary of anything on the radio, none of it connected to me, so much so, I found myself reverting to music I enjoyed in my youth. Along w/ this, I had gone decades w/o being creative, as trying to turn the creativity I enjoyed, my artistic instincts, 'died' when I tried to turn my artistic passion into a 'job' after high school' Then I discovered an artist on a show I never watched, American Idol and found my passion to 'create' ignited again, in this gal, I'd found my muse. Haley Reinhart is an old school artist, was raised on Rock (especially the Beatles) can sing any genre, but she excels in Jazz, Blues and Rock. She knew that coming off a reality show, she would have to prove herself as many in the industry looked down on reality show contestants as not having put in the work, not 'earning' their way, taking a short cut. After a disastrous period w/ her first label, Interscope, she decided to forego any help from the industry and has since worked her way the last ten years as an independent artist w/ some success (with her Elvis cover of "Can't Help Falling in Love" and w/ the KZfaq collective "Postmodern Jukebox"), but it's a long road for her fans who long for recognition. This is why I started my channel, as an independent artist, Haley doesn't have access to the limitless promotion of Music Industry megalith, so I've gone to many of her shows and w/ the help of a core group of fans, we have done our best to do a grassroots of promoting her. To the point: Some of Haley's long time fans have started to wonder if it was a mistake for Haley to forego signing w/ a label even if the original music Haley writes isn't music you'd hear on the airwaves of today, although she might do better in earlier decades like in the '70's. But Haley is convinced she wants to earn her stripes on her own merit, and understands the road is long. Her main recognition is Jazz but her own music is derived from decades past, she's creating her own musical space. In your interview w/ Rick, some of the things you spoke of, reenforced Haley's notion of not relying on the music making machine that might take away from her creativity, I wish/hope more of Haley's fans see the interview to maybe understand why doing it the 'normal' way through the industry, doesn't necessarily get you where you want, earn you what you think, all while losing your rights and creative freedom. You said you've listened to hundreds of songs, I'd like to introduce you to a couple Haley's four albums (3 of the 4 have original songs written by Haley), she's old school and is an incredible vocalist. When you have the time, my two favorite of Haley's original albums are "Better" (2nd album) and her most recent album (2019) "Lo-Fi Soul". From your interview talking about what musicians face nowadays, I hope you can enjoy music from a talented artist that doesn't get much recognition, but her heart and love of music are in the right place, Thanks for reading and apologies for the length, cheers. Tusk

This makes me think of the divide between elite or “intellectual” music, and “popular” music. Even within classical I see people denigrating things for being too popular-sounding, not just in terms of simplicity (like a Strauss waltz, which was essentially pop) but in terms of emotion. Tchaikovsky being exhibit A. Definitely rooted in the same prejudices.

I’m sort of lucky in that I have never given a toss what other people thought about the music I loved. Jazz, Prog, Soul. Blues, Experimental- if it resonates and moves me in some way I dig it.

*_"Oooooo! You can dance! You can jive! Having the time of your life! Oooooo! See that girl! Watch that scene! Digging the Dancing Queen!"_* 🎹🎹🎹

The Ancient Greeks related each mode to a specific mood and style, for instance the Dorian was related to what Mr. Gioia calls "masculine" music etc. Thanks for your intelligent and informative representation of problems related to music!

I loved Karen Carpenter's voice and music. It was beautifully recorded and produced, but I would never admit that to my friends at the time it was released.

Here from Rick Beato's video, didn't know you also had an amazing channel! Love this historical, psychological, and most importantly human analysis of music!

Please make more videos. These are fascinating subjects and it’s refreshing to hear your perspective on them. Thanks

Stange. Back in the early seventies, many of my friends got on my case about liking Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, and such. My favorites included Donovan , Neil Young, CSN, and Simon and Garfunkel. I was puzzled that others wondered how I could like proto metal, but I did and thought they were missing out on great music. Later in life, I still listened to music from the late sixties and early seventies mostly, but added groups like Tom Petty, AC/DC, and Metallica whose roots were still from that period. I was criticized for being stuck in the past. However, I know what I like and never feel ashamed of my taste in music. Sheryl Crow, Alanis Morissette, and Nirvana all struck cords with me. Being ashamed of your taste in music is a bit like being ashamed of a part of yourself. I have really enjoyed listening to you, especially your talk with Rick Beato. Thank you.

What's interesting is many rock bands have their one ballad that makes the money.

In my experience, modern shame of music comes from a given guilty pleasure artist or genre not being socially acceptable in your circle. A classic example would be someone running with the heavy metal crowd secretly listening to some of the European pop-folk genres that have been ridiculed for being low-grade overall. I've seen people being discovered and ridiculed for that IRL.

I am thinking of 2 very traditional and very masculine men in my family - My war hero Grandfather who simply adored Karen Carpenter - any my big, gruff, conservative Father-in-law who was infatuated with the New Age music of Enya - to their credit, neither one of them was ashamed about these musical connections - quite the contrary, they were very happy and open about it - but looking back at the older pop music of their generation, it amazes me how much of it was soaked, drenched, and marinated in luxurious and dreamy romanticism - how could these men from that era not have a soft side with such beautiful pop music from the 30's, 40's and 50's ?

I'm 64, and got heavily into music in the early 70s. I listened to all the usual suspects back then, but that included bands or artists ranging from Hendrix to the Allman Brothers, Stevie Wonder, Black Sabbath, Mahavishnu Orchestra, etc. Along the way, I picked up on punk, post-punk, free jazz, hip-hop, noise, and more. I never wanted to be stuck in one place. There's a whole world of music out there. Enjoy it all, if you can. If you can't, then love what you love and make no apologies for it.

i just absolutely love this video, thank you!

Musical guilty pleasures are a cultural phenomena and it's directly related to the Ego: We feel shame about other people knowing we like certain kinds of music, because we care about how they perceive us. We think if people know we like certain kinds of music, they will think less of us. We want people to think we're great. That's the Ego. But the same is true with other things, like movies, books, sexual kinks, etc. It's not limited to music. And again, even though culture plays a large role in it (since culture dictates what kinds of music are considered ok to like and what kinds are not), the core of the problem is our ego, and that's where it must be attacked. Once we no longer care what people think of us, the shame dissipates away.

I'm into jazz fusion from the 70s and 80s....I'm 100% not ashamed of my taste....obscure fusion get's the thumbs up every time

I've always owned my taste in music, even if it can be cheesy. Plenty of snark and criticism came my way, and i was never remotely deterred from being open about what i like. So this topic interests me not because of my direct experience, but that I've always wondered why other people are so critical of others' tastes.

As a lover of music I get excited to share what I find or listen to. I always find these videos informative and thought provoking.

Thanks for this! 12 yrs old and We've Only Just Begun did it to me!

Ted, you’re a wise old owl. Take that the right way. I am very much enjoying watching your videos and reading your articles. Thank you!

Watching your lecture at Belmont right now. Discovered you through Rick Beato. Bless you for talking at this level.

I have been a musician for 45 years and no matter my level of experience, because of my lack of success, I am held in low regard by people around me who have been more fortunate than I . I only do it because it is all I ever wanted to do, The more expressive I become, the less it matters to others. I feel shame because as much as I can do , It only will ever be valuable to me.

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Ted...thanks for this talk and the historical context from which it has evolved. I love all kinds of music and I am not ashamed at all to listen to any genre or type of music (whether it's vulnerable or female-oriented music or what have you). Music, as an expressive art form and one that we are innately born with (starting with an appreciation for rhythm which must harken back to our earliest experiences in the womb and being subject to our mothers' heart beat) and one that helps us transcend time and space, is shared by all cultures. What I find shameful (at least here in the US) is the devolution of music making (at least the crap that is served to us by the big media publishers) to a formulaic, bubble gum nonsense that is simply groove based but that is devoid of harmonic richness and complexity. It is music that is dumbed down and sells the audience short. I couldn't tell you who the top music artists are today (or if I have heard their names I couldn't tell you what their songs are) because pop music today feels very safe, sanitized, formulaic, and uninteresting to me. If I were listening to and craving that stuff, I guess I would be ashamed to admit it.

The way tou move your hands is rather funnt (to me at least), but please don’t stop doing that. It’s part of tour brand. Your videos are intelligent, short (thanks for that!) and very informative. Thank you. Subscribed.

Im never ashamed of the music i love blues,motown ,70's disco love it.

Interesting take on this. In my view, to the extent one feels shame about listening to certain music, it’s because one doesn’t want to admit having any connection to the audience that record companies and executives market that music to. To that end, jazz fans shouldn’t admit to liking country music, hip hop fans shouldn’t admit to liking classical music, and so on. What’s interesting is when you consider the interests of the musicians *themselves* , which often usurp these categories and this shame. Charlie Parker openly enjoyed country music. Louis Armstrong loved Guy Lombardo. This was music these musicians weren’t *supposed* to like, yet they did. And I think it’s because Plato was half correct: there are two types of music, but one is interesting, the other, boring. And the music alone should dictate that, not one’s desire to fit in with a packaged audience.

Love your channel, Ted! Found you through Mr Beato. Subscribed & looking forward.

Thank you. I completely agree

Very very interesting Ted, thank you for sharing your knowledge…

Ted, your observation is 110% right on and the history back to Plato is just amazing-and needed! granted- this subject effects all music but will only be understood by the hard core and avid music lovers. a funny but REAL example of this goes back to our highschool days and i'm sure a lot of us clearly remember. the hard rock or metal lovers(groups) usually put down and shamed the pop or classical music lovers(groups) and visa versa, or the Jazz or R&B lovers(group) put down and shamed the country lovers(groups) and visa versa. what you didn't mention that should be said is that with most things in our society that is breed into us and also goes back in history to Plato and before is that it's all very territorial and tribal as well in where groups(in this case music lovers of certain genres) would and do put down and shame other groups and society(and pier pressure)has formed to the point that you are almost forced to pick a group(or pick a side) which is very much programmed in our dna in that territorial and tribal aspect as the group has to survive. sadly, this is all more previlent today than in any time,but not so much in relationship to music but as it is to politics,etc. in which all should be shamed for that that go down that destructive path and to the point today that simple communication doesn't even seem to work. at the end of the day love and listen to the music you love, and the older i get the less i have gave a shit what others think of the music and genres i love. thanks for the content Ted, this needed to be made and put out there.

Thought-provoking! I think it's a multi-faceted phenomenon but you touched on a key point. I don't think this tackles the whole issue and gives a fully comprehensive answer to this behavior but it's def one side of the coin, and a very valid way to look at it in my view. Thanks for sharing your work in this video

Humorous, Entertaining, Thought-Provoking! Thank You! :)

An excellent introduction to a very interesting subject, one that really demands more than six minutes to fully parse. Much of the very best music combines the masculine/feminine, Apollonian/Dionysian, etc. which is why the second movement of Beethoven's 7th Symphony can simultaneously thrill our intellect while moving us to tears. I'm grateful that I have no guilty pleasures in music ... it's all pure pleasure, no guilt. As Duke Ellington said, there are two kinds of music: good and bad, and I like the good kind no matter the flavor.

"Little girls like that stuff," is one of the most common insults. It's all misogyny. God, it's tiresome.

Thank you Ted, Rick Beato paved the way,subscribed

Shame is primary conected to status, and that is likely the atavistic basis of the feeling. And it rings true to me, that my guillty pleasures is hid due to percieved risk of status loss. So i believe this came before Plato and the rest. And they merely rationalized. However I think you have a point, and a refreshing and useful take on this. Actually I am blown away, by your take. Thank you sir, From a new subscriber!

Great topic!

Interesting ! Very professional

Got here from the Rick Beato channel as well. I've enjoyed your thoughts on music very much. I also tend to take Aristotle and Plato seriously when they spoke about the moral influences of music.

An interesting take, and one that resonates with me. I do feel ashamed sharing my music, and as someone who said in the comments, it is like being ashamed of a part of myself. I suppose that it is grounded in trying to fit in and realizing that such tastes can make me feel like an outsider if I ever mentioned it. Time changes everything and though I do hesitate to share, I’m much more likely to do so than before during my teenage years. One other thing I realized about your perspective is that it reminds me a lot of Nietzsche’s The Birth of Tragedy and his analysis on Greek culture based on the Apollonian and Dionysian. It’s an interesting perspective but not necessarily the only way to see Greek culture. And in your case, not the only way to see and understand why we are ashamed. But Plato’s thoughts has been so engrained in western thought that we really do take for granted these beliefs. Using Plato, I wonder if this is an issue for us “bronze” folks instead of the “silver” or “gold” folks… I gotta read more Plato to see if he has a response for this.

Once I started admitting that I love to listen to and play smooth jazz, I realized I didn't care what anyone thought. I sounds amazing to me and makes me happy, so I'm going to keep doing it. Also I play banjo for a living so that pretty much sums up my music tastes lol.

Fascinating! I’m not sure I agree 100% (the nero example is a bad one, for mor than one reason), but the hypothesis seems really plausible. Congratulations on this one, ted!

I think shame for liking a certain kind of music is probably more about peer pressure. Especially as you're growing up and first getting into music, you want to fit in. Back in the late 70s I was talking to a friend who had been along to lots of rock concerts with me over the previous five years, seeming to enjoy the music as much as I did. He said to me, "You know I never really liked any of that stuff. I really love punk." When rock and prog was 'hip', he gave every impression of being into it. Then when punk became popular, he told everyone he never liked all that dinosaur stuff, but instead loved punk.

Growing up I found a lot of musical styles to be very tribalistic- Punk, Metal, Pop, New Wave, New Romantic, Wine bar Jazz, Ska, Indie. Some of these genres were diametrically opposed not just because of masculinity and femininity, but due to Class, Politics, Intellectualism, Age, and Fashion. The New Wave kids were too smart for Metal, the Punks too ‘real’ for New Romantics, the indie kids too socialist for anything too decadent. Glenn Matlock was famously fired from the Sex Pistols for liking the Beatles. I think it’s more if you assigned yourself to one particular movement or persona, you had to play along with the cliche that you were typecast with. Of course now everyone picks and chooses from the musical buffet so you don’t get such extreme cliques any more. Before we saw the album covers and chose what group we belonged to.

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I accept your thesis- I've spent many a year listening to Mahavishnu Orchestra, but not many people catch me blubbing to James Taylor x

I had guilty pleasures when I was younger, and rejected entire genres of music because it wasn't cool...but now I allow myself to like what I like guilt free!

Discovering this channel, thanks to Rick Beato has been one of the best things to happen to me this year

I don't think I've ever been ashamed of any music that interests or excites me. I've mostly always played traditional jazz & blues over a span of some 35 - 40 yrs., but if find something interesting in disco & polka, then I'm just as driven to understand and explore it; open to express, incorporate and share it in my own music.

Thanks for this Ted.....However, you forgot about CONFUSCIOUS and his theories about music and how it reflected the consciousness of a society, its culture and level of education or lack thereof.

being ashamed is a part of my aesthetic

It was that way when I was young over ABBA, I was a closeted fan. ... But that shit went away when I matured, and I have never been ashamed of any music I listen to. ... I think there are good songs in every genre, but it really depends on how much I relate to a song!

I got here from the Rick Beato channel as well. Thanks for your thoughts on music. I also tend to take Aristotle and Plato seriously when they spoke about music influencing the morality of a nation.

Please don't take the following criticism as hate. I love your work, and I consistently find it insightful and thought-provoking--even when I sometimes disagree with it. I don't think feelings of shame with respect to musical taste in the modern era are in any way related to the historical prejudices you describe. How many universally beloved songs or pieces of music since the early 1800's express forms of love and emotion (authentically or otherwise)? A lot, definitely, and most, arguably, since the era of popular music in the 20th century. Instead I think these feelings of shame tend to surround music that expresses a kind of sappiness, which I would argue is related to things like fakeness, sentimentality (in the negative sense of that word), commercialism, immaturity, and superficiality. It's common for us to label mass-market-type pop songs as guilty pleasures, while we see other, much more serious works (including serious pop songs) as respectable--even when they outwardly express very similar things. To me this is an important distinction. I won't advocate for greater shame per se, but fakeness, sentimentality, commercialism, immaturity, and superficiality really are problematic. And an ethic that discourages those things is not something I would want to eschew--especially in today's cultural landscape--in the name of echoing a pro-"vulnerability" discourse that's trending.

Never had a musical shame before. That's a totally new concept to me.

Excellent. BTW, Mary Beard points out in her book dealing with Nero that the fiddle wasn't invented at the time that Rome burned.

Music is often associated with Identity. Some of us define who we are in relation to the music we like and the music we say (publicly) we don't like. Young people, especially, are often tribal about their music tastes. Membership of youth subcultural groups are often connected to particular genres of music and not to other genres of music. Young people think: if I like Band A, then I shouldn't like Band B. I think as we get older, and hopefully less anxious about identity, these tribal attitudes become less prevalent and we allow ourselves to enjoy a wider range of music genres.

My musical tastes run in the eclectic. I Like Rock, Pop, R&B, Blues, Funk, Classical and Jazz and most of its subgenres. I dig some Country and Hip Hop too. And also 'Ethnic Music'. I also like what some may dub 'elevator music', Lounge, Movie music, even incidental music from TV ads and shopping mall, I often pull up my phone and 'Shazam' music being piped for Mall PAs. PS: Loved your interview w/ Rick Beato, I totally agree, music is a tool to alter one's consciousness, sounds organized in ways that take you on a journey of self discovery.

Funny you mentioned country music bc for some reason on long road trips, I love to listen to Country radio bc it’s all fresh to me, I don’t know the artists and I like the stories ❤️ I don’t feel embarrassed about it though but I’ve told people this and theyve acted like I should be which is so silly

Really interesting. Not sure I’m sold but a lot of ideas that will stick with me.

Not saying this is all wet, however I don’t know that you should pin shame and embarrassment on the music Ted. Many people want to be characterized by their music. It’s part of their identity. So it’s understandable that they are not gonna flaunt to others, music that they think betrays that. Secondly, people understand that others are judgy (and often asssholes). So I think most of what you are talking about, is just people, (again) completely understandably, seeking to avoid the ridicule/argument of having someone tell them that some music they like sucks. And on the other side of that coin, there’s the disappointment/frustration that usually comes with attempts to turn the closed-minded (or unlike-minded) onto something different. (Most casual listeners are hopelessly locked into their narrow genre/musical-time-period rut - but that’s whole other issue) Point is, people have very valid reasons outside of shame/embarrassment to keep at least some of their music to themselves. As far as what happened centuries ago, that doesn’t sound like shame either. That just sounds like the church/religion, demagogues and others with a soapbox trying to control people and tell them how and what to think. Anyhow, the POINT of music is to make you feel things, but shame and embarrassment are not among those things. So if you feel those things, it’s not the music, it’s probably joy-stealing people.

This vid is obviously geared towards the younger listeners. Once you reach a certain age (I am 50+), generally you couldn't care less about what anyone thinks about your choices in life. I'm a jazz fan (and a black man), and though I'm not a fan of (most) country music, I do enjoy; The Carpenters, The Police, Hall and Oats, The Captain and Tennile, Marilyn Mccoo, The Bee Gees, The Beatles, Diana Ross, The Doobies, The Eagles, Ambrosia, Toto, early rap/techno, and many, many other artists/music forms that many might be embarrassed to admit to.

At school I was not a popular kid and every time I said i liked something some other kid would say it was rubbish, so I never felt comfortable about talking about liking a particular band etc (though I liked pet shop boys and REM amongst others). Got out of that societal prison when I left school, one of the first albums I bought was Afro Cuban All Stars without actually knowing anything about the music (had no idea what it would sound like, just thought the guys on the album art looked cool), I loved that album and still do. Also went through a massive Kate Bush phase, very interesting music and songs. If i like music I just like it, no apology.

I wouldn't say I'm ashamed of music I like, but I might joke that I am ashamed of music other people like. I see music in modern life as having a significant role in generational politics. I see music being used as a way to identify and distinguish different age groups and social groups. When I was in high school, in the early 90's, I had the experience of being at a get together at a friends house where the host wanted to listen to Simon and Garfunkel and she was embarrassed to ask the rest of us if it was okay if she put on Simon and Garfunkel. As it turned out, everyone there liked Simon and Garfunkel, but it was like this dirty little secret because it was music outside our generational sphere. That's where I see the most cases of shame with regard to music, when music is used as an identifying banner which separates people into distinguishable groups.

First. Really enjoyed this and very informative. Was not surprised to hear that the 'new' Roman Catholic Church censored music, particularly female preferences. Second. In 1975 when I was about 18 I told someone in a pub that I liked some of Cliff Richards songs. It got the expected response of ridicule. Early on I figured out that my friends were mostly musical snobs and in an odd way that drove me to find and listen to anything and everything. There was however always a glimmer of embarrassment/shame in me when talking to other people about 'what I liked'. 3. Fast forward to 2005 and my son introduces me to among other things, new wave punk. I hadn't been listening to much music at all for years, but he plugged me back in. I've been lucky to have had a son and a daughter who are open to their old man hearing what they like. Or, maybe the different stuff they heard in the house from their parents when they were kids enabled that symbiotic relationship to grow. I will never hear as much music as I could have, but it's a smorgasbord out there! I think, and I hope, that shame will end.

As for expressing my vulnerability, listen to the song Just For You by American Zen. I wrote that to my wife when we were having problems and played it for her hoping this would say whatever didn’t come out in our conversations and perhaps be able to repair our marriage.

Brilliant

I love preparing music to perform and then watch the performance video and consider how I would react if I walked into the hall during the show. I routinely would turn around and walk out of my own show.. You can't unscrew up.

We are ashamed of the music we listen to because we are still insecure of who we are and thus not able to embrace it . It comes when it comes . The search goes on . Your interests being excepted By others is just a symptom of it all .

Peer pressure in school did influence me. But I now Listen to classical to Punk a little rap and opera

Personally, I tend to keep a lot of my favorite music to myself because I know the person or people around me are not moved by it. That doesn't mean I don't give it a shot to be open about my play list but after experiencing some reactions, that's when I know how to "DJ" when other people are around. For example, I know I can listen to a wide variety of music genres with my wife (one of the reasons I married her) but my little sister will always start complaining if I turn from the hip hop channel. Also my favorite music is personal to me with an emotional bond and I can't stand any childish reactions while I'm listening to my favorite music. Perhaps some of the shame is really worrying about what others think but not really you being ashamed, just reading the room like politics. On the other hand I keep in mind that it's important to share your personal music even if at the time someone don't like it. They may grow to appreciate being exposed to something outside their comfort zone later on. The same way I hated my parent's music as a child and now I hunt that music down. And yeah, misogyny is real.

I am not ashamed. I like both types of music… country and western.

I revisit an NPR Tiny Desk Concert by Mt. Eerie (Phil Elverum) frequently on YT. It's a perfect example of what Ted is discussing here. An analysis of his inability to embrace and continue his relationship/marriage with the amazing Michelle Williams in the face of his lingering grief over the death of his first wife. It's very raw, unpolished music that seems ugly at first, but gels into an immersive experience as one gains knowledge of the context. I'm another Rick Beatto transplant and looking forward to listening to your entire catalog here as I create in my wood shop.

I'm not embarrassed about anything I listen to. People who know me know I love ALL hit music from 1955 & beyond... so I let it be known that I listen to Streisand & Backstreet Boys, because I listen to ALL hit music, ALL styles. That's what makes me unique from my friends.

I’ve been coming to terms with liking Coldplay. Playing it on the piano has been involving. But I do get shamed for it by many people I mention it to. But I’ve come out 😜

Here because of @Rick Beato interview. Have also created my Substack. Thank you.

I'm proud of all the music I collected throughout the years and can defend why I think it's great

John Travolta "Let her in". I confess!! The shame😂

Please do more videos.

I think there's an interesting conversation to be had about why some people feel ashamed, or at the very least, uncomfortable about the music they like. I often feel this way myself, and for various reasons. One reason is that discussing your music tastes with others can lead to some awkward and sometimes even heated conversations. That's why I try to avoid it whenever I can. It's especially the case when you admit to liking songs that are very different from what you usually hear. If I tell people that I primarily listen to classic rock and grunge, I'd feel weird telling them that I also sometimes listen to Taylor Swift and The Weeknd. I like that you brought up the concept of masculine and feminine music, because elements of that do still exist. Being a male, I do tend to primarily listen to "masculine" genres like rock, and shy away from genres considered more "feminine" such as pop. I don't necessarily dislike that sort of music, but hearing it can be weird at times since it's different from what I'd typically be expected to listen to. Being shamed by other people about your music choice also plays a role. For instance, my brother and I have drastically different music preferences, and we sometimes get into conflicts over it. He likes to say that my music taste is "boring" and uncool, and it definitely hurts because I know it wouldn't be worth it to show him some of my favorite songs and expect him to like them. Another thing relating to my previous point is the Internet. It's impossible to discuss music online without running into someone who will _really_ dislike your opinion. If I went on social media and claimed to dislike BTS, Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo, or some other artist with a large and devoted fandom, I may have to go into hiding. Any opinion you have is pretty much guaranteed to be a bad take. Anyway, I'm glad I found this video because it's highly informative and definitely brings up some good points. Thank you!

For me its extremely shocking the concept that people are ashamed of liking music, maybe im biased because im a musician but if i like it i like thats it no shame just plain honesty

Not me. I play it loud and proud.

Never in my long life have I even considered being ashamed of listening to any music. I'm kind of shocked to hear this has been going on for thousands of years. People care too much about what others think of them.

it is very interesting this separation of music into masculine and feminine. i never really looked at it this way but makes sense. i think i tend to like and play both. when i play ballads and smooth jazz and romantic music i guess that would be the feminine aspect( im a sucker for slow rnb jams) and i also love hard stuff too like tool , progressive funk, later miles davis which would be considered masculine music. interesting. i have never been ashamed of what i like to listen to probably because i have more sophisticated taste than the average person.

This is really interesting.. I’ve seen and heard of this some but it’s not something I’ve ever experienced.. I’ve always been extremely vocal about the music I love. I was raised by a bluegrass musician in the foothills of north Georgia and love the music of my roots so so much but I’m also a metal head who deeply love progressive metal and black metal but I’m also a massive Beatles fan and a fan of 60’s music in general. John Lennon is massively important to me but I also have a low key obsession with Reba McIntyre.. I mean I guess I’m all over the place but I love all these things bc they bring different parts of myself to the fore and it feels good to sort of wallow in the different facets of one’s personality and life experience 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm a Bach guy. No shame. Just pride and joy. I know with certainty that if the world understood Bach, we would have been better off. Big times.

I'm a music guy so I've never thought this way. The music I like is a part of who I am. This may be different for others though. Interesting Video!

I grew to appreciate Indian music from eating in Indian restaurants.Filling myself with delicious spiced curries always induced a kind of euphoric stupor which was only complemented by the hypnotizing Indian sounds on the restaurant’s playlist. I could drift away in reverie. The only trouble is whenever I hear Indian music it makes me hungry !

Re: Nero's fiddle: the fiddle had not been invented yet.

I’m never ever embarrassed or ashamed of the music I like - sure as a teen while in a phase where we’re overly self conscious but once we grow up I think that disappears

I proudly admit I like Conway Twitty, George Jones and Hoyt Axton. I like Elton John, Cher and Michael Bolton. I like Black Sabbath, KISS and Jethro Tull. I like Marvin Gaye, Jackie Wilson and Sam Cooke. I like Nat King Cole, Frank Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald. I like a lot of classical music including a lot of operas. I like some Jazz, some Blues, some Bluegrass, some Folk, some Funk, New Age, Space and World music. If you listen to enough of it you can find something you like in almost any kind of music.

The whole shame thing is behind me... I listen to songs I like, and don't care about genres. If it's (subjectively) good, it's good. Than again I'm old and don't feel the pressure of peers judging my taste...

Rick Beato brought me here.

Mind fully blown.

I grew up in the 60's/70's and taught myself acoustic guitar listening to my mother's John Denver's Greatest Hits album. Being a teenager in the 70's there was no way on earth I would admit that to my peers in jr. high and high school. A few years ago I recall reading somewhere how everybody loved to hate John Denver and yet he sold tens of millions of albums. Somebody was buying all those records, right? These days I can go down the KZfaq rabbit hole and am amazed at how may guitarists did exactly what I did. We could all play his albums front-to-back but only now will admit it.

Ted, curious to know if you've read Brent Hayes Edwards book, Epistrophies: Jazz and the Literary Imagination?