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honestly her beefing with her fans doesn't bother me as much as the stuff with her boyfriend...like...blocking the victims??? That's so gross??

I do think we should stop romanticizing celebs. Being a good musician doesn’t make you a good person or anything else honestly

Her want to distance herself from the pressure of fans? Totally understandable. Its her blocking potential victims of her current partner because she is sick of people critiquing her relationships that seems to be real final straw. Its a shame to see someone so close to another high moment in their career turn that momentum into a major low.

Doja indulging in the money she makes while actively hating the people that helped her get there is weirddd. So many underground artists make hit songs yet don’t make big money since they lack the fan base.

Wanting to make different music and disliking her old stuff? Fair. Not wanting to encourage parasocial relationships? Also fair. You know what's not fair? Throwing a tantrum at people who've done nothing but support your art because you're chronically online (despite supposedly hating certain fans and the way they act) and feeling some sort of way about yourself/your music while being unable or unwilling to work through it properly. She needs to get into a Zoom call with a counsellor, not in another IG Live.

The noah schnapp thing was what really made her snap publicly imo. Noah was only 17 when she messaged him asking if Joe Quinn was single. That was majorly inappropriate and he had every right to “expose” her for her clown behavior.

I can't believe that people were SERIOUS about the "sold her soul to the devil" that's so embarrasing

“She in the racial chat rooms showing feet” is still hilarious

I respect the fuck out of the people who enjoyed her music not cowtowing and speaking up when they saw how she was disrespecting them. Usually, fans are so brain dead they will defend anything and everything their idol does, but the majority of her fans defended themselves and called her out on her bs which I respect. Honestly, it is similar to her own personality: she is an opinionated person not afraid of speaking up to people and I saw that in a lot of the people she was dogging online.

the devil has guidelines for his sponsorship, they include instagram posts and tattoos. standard business practice, really.

I dont think Doja ever wanted to get this big

unrelated but the star patches are actually so cute

after she threatened to quit music that one time i feel like doja is doing all of this at least partially on purpose. i really don't think she likes being famous anymore and i think she's hoping she loses her job for real

I truly can’t imagine becoming as famous as Doja, it seems super overwhelming. She’s not going about this i’m the way I would do it, but I understand pulling the ripcord.

Unfortunately with the J Cyrus relationship and her past of being in chat rooms allowing men to degrade her, it all shows she’s a human like us struggling very hard with her racial identity, self confidence, and self worth issues. I can’t imagine rising to fame… what it would do to my psyche.

As a 31-year-old guy, Doja Cat has honestly just been a name that I would hear from time to time, but now she seems to have graduated to a cautionary tale about not being raised exclusively by the internet.

Doja's fall from grace started a few years ago, actually. She toured South America during lollapalooza. In Argentina at the end of her set people were chanting "uno mas" (one more) but I guess she heard "no mas" (no more) because she stormed off the stage. Then in Paraguay she didn't want to go out to say hi to fans because it was raining. When people got upset she had one of her twitter rants and threatened to quit music forever. I did not appreciate how disrespectful she was to us from SA and that's when a lot of us stopped listening to her. She had a smaller "drama" when a tiktok aesthetician was speculating if she had any work done on her face and Doja called her an old hag among other insults. She has a history of not taking criticism or aspects of fame such as speculation and drama well, and she has gotten into beef with other people before (see Noah from Stranger Things). And the most disturbing one is her past in chatrooms, which goes deeper than what Grayson mentioned on this video. Apparently when she was a teenager she used to go into alt right groups and let white boys call her the N word. I read this many times but I never saw concrete proof. If you feel so inclined there's probably more information somewhere on reddit.

Honestly, I think Doja just wanted to stick to KZfaq vids and making music videos at home. I don’t think she EVER thought she’d get this big. I also believe there’s a part of her subconscious that is trying to to destroy her fame so she can live a private live again.

The Satanic panic around Doja's appearance is so embarrassing, there are genuine things to criticize about her and people are getting up in arms about a buzzcut

While the boyfriend stuff is horrific & inexcusable, and I don’t think she should be attacking fans directly. I do think she has a point about people worshipping her/celebrities in general. Just think she could have chosen a better way to get her point across. In saying that I’m not a fan or do I follow her so I don’t know all of the things she has done/said

nobody knows how fame effects your psyche until it happens to them. having millions of people look at you under a microscope effects different people different ways. i take everything celebrities do with a grain of salt because of this. doja is not right for slandering fans and associating with creeps. but i feel like if we hold celebrities to a “normal person” standard we will always get disappointed, because they are no longer normal people. i think it’s fine to enjoy her art and also not support her actions.

I don’t think Doja’s sentiment has ever been wrong. I do, however, think that the way she has approached it couldn’t be more wrong. I’m never gonna sit here and pretend like I understand what it is like to go from underground artist to one of the biggest most famous people in the world. And even the people saying “this is what you asked for“, I am sure that you also wouldn’t know how to handle that level of fame, that fast. No matter who you are or how badly you want to be successful for your art, no one is prepared for the level of involvement that everyone now feels they have into your life. What she should’ve done was taking a hiatus off of all social media and reached out for some help. I agree that I believe this is a shift in her identity and she doesn’t know how to navigate it without lashing out on others, and now, unfortunately, instead of having the option to quietly step back, or continue her career with all the love and notoriety that she has earned herself, she now has let it all play out in front of the public, and has now allowed the public to have yet another opinion on her personal life. Honestly I feel for the woman, but I don’t know how much longer I will be supporting her if she can’t take it offline.

i just find it very funny how her getting tattoos of illustrations made by a physician from medieval europe was the catalyst to a situation escalating all the way to dating a confirmed predator. she was literally just inspired by art from 1600's italy, and people accused her of selling her soul to the devil - but at least it lead to something lol.

After seeing everything I unfollowed her/removed her songs from my playlists/didn’t watch her new mv bc y would I give my time to someone who clearly doesn’t want it? There’s sooo many indie artists that I’d much rather give my time/money to than her.

I just think is funny how she tried to re brand and said that her new music will be rap and so different, just to make the exact same music

I'll always say, the song Stan was a cautionary tale, not an instruction manual. Stop staning these people. Ngl, this has kinda always been who she is. A chronically online person just like the rest of us. Most of her stuff is covered in like 10 layers of irony. I can't even tell what's serious or not. The stuff she said about her old albums just seemed like a shitpost to me. I don't think she is entirely wrong about her fans either. Just going about it in an... Unsavory way I guess. The only thing that does make me side eye is the dating a creep thing.

I understand being uncomfortable with parasocial relationships, I do think she approached it in a wrong way. Instead of shaming and bashing and overall being kinda rude to her mostly young fans, she could have chosen better words. That’s just me though

ive seen a couple of videos about Doja in recent weeks, and something i havent seen anybody mention is that like last year or the year before, she was supposed to perform at a festival in south america (dont remember which country), but the festival had to be cancelled because of flooding/natural disaster(??). A lot of the other artists that were supposed to perform met their fans outside their hotels, talked to them, and apparently MGK even performed for them on the street. Doja didnt, and of course she doesnt have to, but when fans expressed their sadness at not getting to see her, she had a whole rant about how ungrateful her fans are, pretty sure she said something racist or of the like about the country being 3rd world and not worth her time anyway, and then said she was never going to make music again (since her fans are so ungrateful).

I am willing to bet that for a fact Doja is doing this on purpose. I remember she talked about how she wanted to retire that she was sick of the fame, and she never wanted to be a mainstream thing. She said that she was gonna quit in 2022, and I believe she meant what she said and wanted to call it a wrap. She's prolly tired of the commercialized music, she's tired of being in the public eye, and she resents her fans who act as thought they know her. Doesn't excuse the behavior, but I wouldn't be shocked she did this as a way of throwing gasoline on everything to eventually flick the match. She prolly wasn't expecting to blow up as big and as fast as she did mainstream if at all, she was an internet musician first prolly wants to go back to that era of singing songs like Moo.

after the way she acted in the lollapalooza in latin america I've been waiting for people to actually stop liking her smh

I noticed a similar trend occurring with anyone garnering fame: There comes a point where a person loses touch with reality. Unless they have people to help them come back to earth so to say, mental breakdowns and clashes are going to occur.

I hope the general public can at least take this away from all the recent online and big name celebrity drama/scandals: do NOT idolize ANYONE. Not everyone is a horrible person but if you put someone you DONT KNOW on a pedestal like this you’re bound to be disappointed. Also just bc you like someone/their work and aesthetic does NOT mean you should or have to defend their every actions. It doesn’t make you a fake fan if you agree with criticisms against an artist. I used to think I was weird bc although I enjoy a lot of artists and online personalities, I’ve never been a stan or thought too much of the person. I just like their content. But now I realize that’s HEALTHY. It’s not normal to be obsessed with anyone

Doja is really going down the Azealia Banks route

I'm literally obsessed with this channel and it's host 😭😭 thanks for the drop Grayson

I find it really weird how many assumptions are being thrown around re: "she didn't want to get this big", etc. Even assuming this is correct, there are ways to fade from the public eye and distance yourself from your fanbase if that's overwhelming. It just seems to me like she is still, ultimately, a chronically online person who is lashing out at her fanbase because she can't take a break from being online and doesn't want to hear all the negative critiques from people regarding her partner. All in all some unhealthy terminally online behavior from someone who should really just step back from social media

I don't know how true this is, but my ex told me that she would make herself throw up in those chat rooms

someone else said too, but the black star stickers look so cool with your makeup and red hair

I love your voice! It’s so deep and mysterious

I cant go into work today, new grayson video dropped

We wppreciate your insights. We will always support you.

your hair looks so good!

I love the hydro stars!

FINALLYYYY I was waiting for you to talk about Doja Cat 😭❤‍🩹

This is not the first mid white man doja has dated who has serious allegations against him. p sure the last white guy i recall her dating had actual r*pe allegations and she knew that.

I do think it’s really funny that Paint the Town Red sounds just like her old music

love love love the hair

Girl, so off topic, but I love your voice! It's so soothing to listen to!

Yay a video from Grayson to alleviate my melancholic evening. 🌞

I think I remember there was also a time when a freelance makeup artist talked about how she was treated like absolute shit by doja... Gotta be real, there's setting boundaries with para social fans and then there's just being cruel to people, and I think she's definitely crossed that line

Ty for making my morning brighter🩵

red hair looks amazing on you!!

Actually, i believe her problems with the fans began when she became LatAm's public enemy when she talked shit about her Paraguayan fans bc they weren't waiting outside her hotel because there was an effin storm outside

I’m not surprised with Doja’s choice in partners, this is literally her type she made it known for ages

thanks for the video it was very levelheaded and enjoyable

first video i’ve seen if this youtuber and i rlly like this channel!! this is probably gonna be my new fav channel

Honestly, i thought the bits with her beefing with her fans are valid. Ive seen some of the weird ass uncomfortable shit her fans have said to and about her and most of it has been way out of line for years now. Although, i do think it was so silly how she went on that whole tirade about how she hates making "tiktok music" and her two new singles are the most tiktok ass singles I've ever heard.

Woahhh 2 post in a day SLAYY

Thanks so much for the summary. I had no idea what was going on and wanted to figure it out before supporting her latest single.

hey grayson :) i just wanted to say that i love you and your content; i also super miss your streams, your vids and streams made my day(s)

"yeah i'm just making up words now" SHAKESPEARE

Havent watched the video yet, just wanted to tell you how pretty your eyes are! They're huge! I feel like Doja might be one of those edgy people who thinks being excited and cheerful is lame and cringe af, and hates popular culture... while being part of that popular culture. Ah yes, the 'punk rock too cool so above it all' attitude, for someone who's so invested in being 'original', shes following clichès we've been seeing for over 40 years, just the 2020's modern social media version.

As always, you slayed this💅

I love how gracefully you talked abt the demon thing, when as a christian myself, people who say shit like that are crazy

Doja Cat always seemed like a chronically online person to me. She said and did so much outta pocket shit. And also, i definitely disagree with the comments defending her being straight up rude to her fans - you can NOT contribute into parasocial relationships without insulting the people that put you where you are now.

love the hair

i'm so happy i found your channel you're so adorable and funny lmmaooo

I'm not the largest fan of doja's music but I love how they're actually exploring styles and aesthetics they like and people are weird when they see a more alternative person

There were rumors she was always into the punk scene tbf so her alt aesthetic isn't outta no where

Love the Stars on your face I use those two👌

been watching ur videos for soooo long I love you -Rin (miniongf)

Me listening to actual news that could genuinely affect me: 😴 Me listening to drama about a random music artist I don't even listen to: 😲

I fully support her telling her fans that she thinks fandom has gotten too much. But the rest of her behaviour shows imo that the problem for her isn't missing distance it's not wanting to be accountable to people outside her bubble. Who probably are way wealthier than they would be on account of being in that bubble.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts

I haven’t seen one of ur vids on my yt page in so long and the red looks sooooo good on u!!! I love it! Sorry if I’m hella late on that lmao

Dunking on Christians is generally deserved.

what intrigues me is that (i think) every album cover of hers on Spotify is now tinted red. Except for the attention cover.

I missed you so bad 😭😭!

I cant stop looking at your lips, they are so pretty

i think she was trying to achieve that "relatable bad girl" persona and it backfired lol. weird comparison but kinda like trisha paytas, where she can be an asshole and say whatever she wants but nobody really cares because shes like "uncancellable" she just went too far and wasnt funny nor charismatic enough for it to be appealing. she also prob just genuinely doesnt wanna be famous anymore esp with everything with her label.

Unrelated to the topic but your eyes are absolutely mesmerizing.

Its quite funny I just got used to you having star stickers on your face for the rest of the video and by the end I didn't even really notice them

I literally don't understand Doja right now. I was a huge stan but I am a little lost as to what to think. I agree with your thoughts.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1244">20:44</a> the “straw that broke the camels back” metaphor was right there 😭😭😭

You look STUNNING

Unrelated but you are really cute! I love your hair

As for parasocial relationships and famous personalities in general, I do think it's weird when fans say "you would be nothing without me you'd still be poor/ugly/whatever" and things of the sort. It is manipulative and shows people do not view artists as humans. You cannot "support" someone and simultaniously demand they fullfill your every wish. Support is a response to the art, not what you use to demand art. Your dentist wouldn't be anywhere either if people wouldn't visit and pay them, so would your therapist or nail tech. That's kind of the point of arts and services, and add to that that we live in an age where it takes 3 seconds to consume art without personal monetary expenses. If you do pay, you pay for an art product, service or an event, not for the freedom to mercilessly criticise or demand more than someone is able or willing to give (I am obviously not referring to grooming and other very questionable acts, that is an entirely different story).

“i’m not a predator so i win” made me giggle

HIII GRAYSON HAVE AN AMAZING DAY

“argue with the wall” about tia tamera is so valid you just cannot diss that song

Doja has always been a bit ‘different ‘ 😂

The thing with her boyfriend started before the threads incident, its really what finally triggered that whole thing besides the stuff about her past music and fans she tweeted a bit before all this. Her fans were already getting mad at her but this was all like the final straw i think.

your video is exactly how i feel and when her music comes on i get mixed feelings. It's hard to purely enjoy it now knowing that what's made her famous and connected fans she doesn't like. I think the worst part is the infighting of fans in her comments: those getting mad at the people with genuine concerns, while simultaneously kissing her ass and praising her and doing what she doesn't want. It's not even fun to interact with other fans.

Unrelated but that hair color looks so good on you

about her arguing with fans, while she totally has the right to do whatever she wants and isn’t expected to be nice to her fans, her being blatantly rude and disrespectful set me the wrong way. esp since a majority of the fans when this first went down weren’t even being rude to her, she chose to belittle them first. her and her weird ass pedo bf add to it

Yeah Doja Cat has been mad disappointing for a while now

i’m early in the video but her new style and tattoos are very cool and i love that for her. i’m sure nothing horrible will follow

unrelated but ur make up looks amazing!

In regards to Doja being possessed and/or selling her soul, I’m pretty sure the reasoning people use for her being so open about “it” is that she’s trying to influence others to follow Satan. That’s a major thing in Christianity, that Satan is constantly trying to tempt believers in various ways, both directly and through his followers. So, from a Christian standpoint, if someone believes that she’s demonic in some way, her lack of subtlety is actually some of the strongest proof they have.

i just think that doja is trying to assert boundaries with her fans and wants fans to respect her as a stranger rather than worship her as a mega fan. imagine not being able to go anywhere bc you're constantly getting stopped by fans. it seems like she has had enough and is being "rude" now to make fans back off bc she is a stranger to us. she doesn't know us and we don't know her and she wants us to stop acting like we do. celebrities have a lack of body autonomy and people feel like they are owed celebrities' personal time or a photo because their a fan but they're not entitled to anything. i would recommend allison stoner's podcast to get more insight on this.