Thats the difference between the rich and poor.

@@may-kq8tjand her being White

She ONLY served 2 years

@@94462 even worse 😭😭😭

LMFAOO is nexium good tho i take pantropozal and was thinking about switching meds

Ah my grandma takes it too, it's basically the original recipe that hasn't been changed that makes it one of the best on the market.

i guess you could say the cult was hard to swallow haha

Different shit same toilet

Different shit same toilet

Yeah but careful because the line between innocent victim and willing participant is actually thick and one doesn't equate the other. The likes of Allison mack industriously recruited and scarred for life innocent people.

@@Math-in4ddp

Absolutely agree with you. People seem to forget that Gypsy was perceived by everyone as an ill child who was completely dependent on her mother, so if she had asked for help and/or told anything of what was really going on, everyone would have thought it was just a crazy product of her alleged mental illness, and most likely she would have been ignored. Her mother forced her to have medications and surgical procedures she never needed, which damaged her body for life. She tried to escape several times, she would have died if she stayed under her mother's "care." There's nothing anyone can say to me to make me see her as a monster. Gypsy Rose apologist all the way!

While you make a point, it’s important to note that Gypsy could’ve absolutely proven all the fake illnesses to be bullshit. 1. The police were extremely shocked to find Gypsy walking after the murder. 2. She knew she was over the age of 18 and literally could’ve requested and consented to take tests, x-rays etc. even though she was allegedly manipulated by her boyfriend, she brought up the idea for murder and even attempted it with a fake gun she thought was real. It’s understandable why Gypsy rose would feel she had no other option, but the blatant truth is that she really did.

​​@@examichelleyep and that's not including the all the brain altering meds she was on for fake diagnosis, including epilepsy, radiation treatment, I'm pretty sure she even got a surgery to "reduce swelling" that she didn't have she wasn't just emotionally manipulated she was literally tortured by her own mother from birth and I can understand why she snapped after years of putting up with her mother's shit because she absolutely deserved to get that revenge on someone who used her for financial gain

So you don't think it would give authorities pause to see her walk? How would her mom explain that it's because she is mentally messed up but can suddenly walk?

@@lynettedennis9044not all wheelchair users are paralyzed, she could’ve easily lied and said she only used a wheelchair because she’s incredibly weak, and that prior claims to her being paralyzed were ‘false’ or ‘misconceptions’.

Thank you. I really needed that. I am hoping to overcome some bad habits

​@Faizan_Khan40 baby steps but in the end you'll reach your goals. ❤❤❤

@@Faizan_Khan40Keep up the good fight! You are doing great! You’ve got this!

i'm really struggling today, thank you for this

So much love to you

preying on vunerable people, its a narcissism tactic.

It starts early in their development. You screw with the brains early development and you become more vulnerable. Thats why all in history children are sought after thats why we have a thing as “adult children “ the human brain is a tricky thing

@@lagniakore6366it’s a tactic for all sorts of messed up people, not just narcissists. Cult leaders are usually massive narcissists though, obviously 😳

​@@lagniakore6366narcs would still be too nice. These people are worse.

They use the same tactics as traditional religion making people believe the absurd

literally came here to say this lol

She also claimed that Isaac Asimov wrote a book called Mind control which isn't true and that the second foundation is a mind control book.. which is also not true.

There's TONS of factual innacuracies

She got the two prominent Sarah's mixed up as well as Marc and Mark mixed up. I'm hoping she'll correct her errors; this is an important story and she herself is quite engaging. 🌺

Exactly! Bothered me every time she said mind control books

@@alihersi7071Thank you for mentioning that. I was also irked by it. She also said that he was born in 1990.

Thanks. Saved me the trouble of pointing this out. ;-)

yeah, i recommend watching Ethan from h3 "interview" with him shshsh

Mark himself has a huge ego. I couldn't stand how condescending he was to his wife Bonnie when she was concerned about the cult at first.

@@mxrymxgdxl3n3such a dub for H3. Watched it live like: 👁 👄 👁

These comments are talking about 2 different Marks. One mark is out of the cult, one still rides for the cult. And yes the one who still loves keith was on h3 and it was awful lol

@@mxrymxgdxl3n3 do you have a link?

Thank you for this comment. I was going to leave a similar one, but you covered what I wanted to say.

All starts with the woman

Religion can enable some folks to separate from reality entirely 🤷🏼‍♂️ imo

Lots of bad people don't spend their whole day doing crazy bad people stuff, they often have a totally normal day life.

@mathieuleader8601 If I'm not mistaken, Allison Mack never played Batgirl on the Batman animated series. She did play Power Girl in the 2009 movie Superman/Batman: Public Enemies.

I literally just watched Smallville in December and loved her character Chloe Sullivan on it. Like a week ago I searched her up and found out about this cult it made me so sad to find out she was a part of something like this. Hopefully all the victims can find peace and healing.

Nah the incompetence in humans to even make this a reality

12 tribes

@@jaleaazul Thank you for the recommendation!

Jonestown Massacre

@@NINA-oz5no I was thinking about doing this one. Thanks for the recommendation!

That class looks so fun I wish we were classmates

the theme of the novel is sci-fi with a heavy emphasis on mind control but it’s definitely not an instruction manual

I came looking for this comment, exactly

@@somethingxblue Me too!

wow no way that is insane

WAIT WHAT

Two ppl who took some nxium classes were a part of a marketing firm or something and they worked with elf. Elf was already pretty popular but definitely boomed after that partnership.

@@Supportnotstigmaa that is a stretch... two people from nxivm are on E.L.F.'s, a multi million if not billion dollar company with thousands of employees around the globe, marketing team? Wait no THEY TOOK CLASSES

you’re twisting the situation so fucking far to sensationalize it

Legit I wondered the same thing. Bc I watched the doc and in it he was talking one of the victims [one of the young ones dani] and told her he knew his dick was bigger than somebody she actually wanted to date and he said it like he had seen it or some.

🤷

WOAH just got to the end of the video, you mixed up Sarah Edmondson and Sarah Bronfman. Sarah B was the Seagram heiress who funded all the law suits, was shady and backed Keith like crazy. Sarah E was the whistle blower with the brand who helped put Kieth in jail and get ppl out of the cult. She now has a podcast with her husband (she wasn’t married before him) called A Little Bit Culty where they interview other former cult members and psychologists.

U should point it so she can maybe see and check…

Nancy Salzman wasn’t his wife for one

Or Toni

I check her page about 7 times a day to see if I missed a post

I'm so happy when she posts

I'm right there with you. Even though she was likely manipulated to some extent, that doesn't take away from the damage she did. And people who she has hurt forever. It really sucks.

She wasn't just a poor innocent brainwashed victim, she was an avid willing participant who industriously and deceitfully committed vicious crimes. So yeah.

@@Math-in4dd I never claimed she was “poor, innocent” Allison. She was his right hand. But that doesn’t change the fact that he exercised control over her as he did everyone else. I say in my statement that she is not absolved of what she did simply because she was manipulated, as she was still aware of right and wrong. I’m glad she was jailed for her involvement. I still can’t stand to look at her, as I said.

@@Prettybaby7 i wasn't suggesting that about your comment, was speaking in general, trying to reinforce the necessity to hold this person accountable for her part, regardless of external influences. Sadly her sentence didn't reflect that.

@@Math-in4dd I see what you mean! You’re absolutely right, she should’ve been jailed much longer than she was for her crimes.

this is exactly how i feel lmaoo 😭

My thoughts exactly

@@Coookiiiiiiee yeah..

omg thank you, I was so confused how he was a year younger than me 😂

“Born in 1990”, then “in 1990 at the age of thirty” 😂

It also confirms my theory that this 'women are inferior to men and should submit to them' thing is a sexual fetish about 80% of the time. I'm a typically feminine woman, I don't view that as submissive in any way, it's just how I am. I see so much strength, dignity and power in that, and I'd be this way with or without a husband and I know that my power is my own and has nothing to do with men. I submit to no one but the Goddess. But occasionally on Tumblr where I used to talk about femininity, home keeping etc I'd get these 'trad' types following me, and some of them were sweet girls so I'd follow some of them back. Didn't take long though for me to start being recommend these kink blogs that were all about women being bimbos and serving men. I've never seen a 'trad' man on Tumblr that wasn't a porn addict, a lot of them were into stuff like l*licon too which is Pedophilia Lite. If you go on kink sites these people are all over them. The idea that women should submit to men can be cloaked in religious or secular evo-psych language but it's usually, the vast majority of the time, a thinly veiled dark fetish.

Precisely.

Omg I went straight to the comments to see if this video was talking about that same cult and I was not expecting him to be IN the video 😂

I had to play it back and listen to this too lol. I was like wow!! Yes, looked it up and also saw it said 1960.

Hey. What’s your reasoning for not watching murder centered content? I’m an active true crime listener… just curious as to what shifted your content preference

@@adda4584 thanks for asking! I'm not sure how to best explain it but I'm very sensitive with an overactive imagination so for my own mental health I've stepped away from it just to help my day to day (oh and nights! Nightmares 😅🫣). I hope that helps :) I know a lot of people like it, but I don't think it's for me. I like the education part, the crime solving and what not but not the anxiety.

Something was definitely going on there because every time I saw Nancy staring at that predator all googly eyed, it annoyed me so much 😂

they were hooking up at one point in the beginning and Keith ended it and then didn't let her have another partner according to Nancy in The Vow@@justdawnreborn

@@monicap6360 the man is a monster

That's because they never married........🌺

I agree it feels so distance :/

Ive lost my only child and more and more and been below bed rock but i never reasoned with religion or other bizzare questionable shit but idk I guess. My shit early childhood showed me early on what humans are capable

And to these ppl it was the beginning of them learning humanity

Most victims of cults aren’t at low points - they’re usually very intelligent and often influential, which is why cult leaders recruit them - it makes them seem like they aren’t taking advantage of people and it makes their cult seem like an exclusive society. They are powerful and manipulative, but don’t usually start that way - just like violent partners. And by the time things seem “off” victims aren’t able to leave as easily as they could have in the beginning because they’re programmed, they’ve lost contact with their friends and family, they’re sick and malnourished - the list goes on.

@@ekkisnerta7430 💀 bro what a load of bullshit in the sense that they are so naive to the world of humans. Gosh the amount of trash humans enable and perpetuate is beyond wack. “Im smart im definitely not getting ppl do to questionable shit like we dont have history and knowledge about these things” 🤷‍♂️

@@ekkisnerta7430 only vulnerable ppl get victimized that badly. Those who are not got thru swiftly enough bcz they dont take shit

She also mentioned points in the 70’s, she mixed up the numbers, it happens. He was born in 1960, you figure it out along the way anyways :)

yeah even within the first 10 minutes there was a lot of misinformation

@@isleoflovers right!! And I think Clare is still in jail, she was sentenced to 9 years and 6 months and I dont think that changed. Also, Keith was born on August 26th and she said 16th????

@@isleofloversmisinformation is purposeful, she didn’t lie about information on purpose

@@kphoria1009 sure if you wanna argue semantics but telling people stuff that isn’t true and is easily fact checked is not very responsible. i understand messing things up but it’s her responsibility as a creator who makes content based on real crimes and real people to either get the facts straight or let people know when you’ve got stuff wrong and fix it. 🤷🏻‍♀️