16:11 there he is on the left next to the pipes

08:05 another really important advantage of flash kick over DP as an anti air is that the input remains the same regardless of whether the opponent crosses you up or not

As a ken main Dps are just cool and stylish especially when they have fire

We're back, and of course, Jimbulus is too! This video is a lot longer than usual so if nobody finds him in the first week i'll post an 8-minute timeframe in which he appears. Editors Note: Juri in SF4 doesnt have a reversal, i actually just didnt notice her on that list that i put in the video lmao

I clicked on this video asking one question: "How the fuck did this guy get a near 30 min video out of JUST the Shoryuken?" I must say, after watching the video, I was soundly impressed. Not only did you convey a clear knowledge and understanding of not just the move, itself, but of fighting games as a whole. But, you also managed to keep it interesting and stayed on topic, EVEN WHEN there were numerous possible tangents available (Akuma's introduction, the Shippu Jinrai Kyaku's value, Dan, etc). You even managed to slip in the famous Daigo Parry without being distracted by it, in an almost blink-and-you-miss-it reference. Very impressive, sir. Well done.

0:00 Intro 0:35 SF I 1:35 SF II 2:25 Invincibility 2:40 Downsides to Shoryuken 3:50 Applications of Shoryuken. 6:38 Flashkick 7:09 Downside of Flashkick 7:33 Upsides of Flashkick 8:30 Differences betwen characters that use Shoryuken 10:10 Why is the Shoryuken so important? 11:20 Daigo Umehara 13:10 Users of Shoryuken 13:45 The evolution of Shoryuken in Alpha 2 15:30 Shoryuken in other games 15:50 How to name Shoryuken type moves? 16:18 Shoryuken and the Alpha 2 Custom Combo system 16:40 SF3 18:30 Ken in SF3 19:35 SFIV 21:45 SFV 24:00 The future of the Shoryuken 25:20 Credits

0:14 The Hadouken is definitely more recognizable, althrough Shoryuken is definitely in the top 5 or so.

Light DP counter pokes as Ken lead to some of the best 3rd Strike screenshots out there It's not every day that someone a 3rd of the screen away gets hit by an uppercut

Something as simple as a DP has so much history that some people just don't know about. Really appreciate the great content.

very enjoyable and interesting dive into the history of a fighting game staple. please make more videos like this!

One of my favorite Wild DP Changes was in KOF97, where Terry's Rising Tackle was given a DP input instead of a charge. It also had a weird low auto-block state, allowing for some very strange interactions like "snuffing out an Iori fireball just to punch him in the face on the way up."

Dude, this was awesome! I never gets dp’s too much thought and this has really opened my eyes to that! Also, nice new end card

I adore this sort of documentary style video! Thank you for making such a great video!

Always love these longer videos on fighting game tidbits and trivia, and this one is an especially good one.

Thanks for putting shine on my favorite fighting game move and type of move of all time. I really enjoy this move and the legacy it carries. There were a few small errors and even with that, I gotta say you gave us another great video

I always like content I can listen to while doing chores and this sort of FG documentary is a very interesting form of that.

Very nice video Ed!

I watched the fighting game archetype video many many times, it’s probably the best video I’ve ever seen! Great channel keep it up!

awesome video edd!!

23:56 you actually forgot Blanka as well, his EX Vertical Rolling is fully invincible

Karins is interesting to me It started off needing meter when every other didnt and was attached to a special that doesnt function as one regularly She was essentially given a buff by omission and the input is near constant defence so you interrupt block strings easier

Love the thorough documentary style

Great video, would enjoy to see more documentary style videos as well.

Man you should keep making these long videos, very nice work.

I really love these types of "history of" video, I would love to see more!

looking forward to watching this

Time to send this to my friends that are just getting into fighting games! Your videos are always super informative and entertaining, and I always catch myself going back and enjoying your Archetypes vid! This one was even better than that one, and I’m totally down for more docu style videos like this!

Glad your back!

Amazing video, keep doing stuff like this

Very good content ! Thank you :D

love this! more long forms plz!

Truly beautiful video

Excellent video. Dp defines fighters to me

love the new format! would be exciting to see this sort of treatment for other major attacks in fighting games like the hadouken, lariat or ewgf

The red border on the thumbnail made me think I had already watched this for a second. Almost passed it up.

I've been playing Street Fighter games for years since 1992. Out of ALL of the characters who have a DP, Sagat's Tiger Claw from the Alpha series is the most entertaining to watch, execute, and end a match! When the Tiger Claw carries over into a K.O., the slow motion effect is incredible. For that, even if I lose to an Alpha Sagat, and I'm K.O.'d by a Tiger Claw, I still to this day have a huge smile on my face. Just like the first day I saw Alpha Sagat back in 1995 at my local video rental store. Who in North Jersey rented from Palmer Video?😎🙌

Rly enjoyed this indepth history at a move, would love to see more of this

This is really nice, i like it

There's a fighting game called Hisoutensoku where instead of gaining bars of meter you draw cards from a deck you assemble before the match starts. This can be supers, new specials and universal system mechanic utility cards. Pretty unique take on meter and luck that I haven't seen anything similar too.

Missed your stuff, hope you had a nice Thanksgiving

Great content!

I never seen soo many Shoryukens or seen them combo, thank you for that.

Wake Up & DP Name a more iconic Duo, I'll wait.

Awesome video.

Great video + I love the outro card it's really cute

Here's a few ways in which the Shoryuken can evolve: - have the visuals of the move convey the duration and nature of its invulnerability. It's hard for new players to understand what only top body invul means and which characters have which kind of invul. - have a Shoryuken that also counts as an overhead. This would make the move actually a useful risk to take if you're pressuring your opponent as well - make a chargable shoryuken, not like a Flash kick but something more simillar to a Focus Attack, where you can hold onto it, forward or backdash out of it or just let it rip. The idea of scaring your opponent with an incoming shoryu that doesn't demand an input but only for you to release a button, balanced by the fact that the enemy can see you readying it and can bait it, sounds like a lot of fun.

Amazing video

really underated channel

This a core-a level video man. This shit slaps

Great video

Definitely liked this longer style of video, in general I honestly prefer pretty long youtube videos

this was dope as hell

Regarding Strive's lack of throw invulnerability on a DP... I kinda like it. It makes Oki, when it comes up, into a quick round of borderline rock paper scissors if the person who got knocked down has a DP, since wake-up DP beats going for a combo, and a tick throw beats a DP, and I can't figure out how to make this a circle due to the asymmetry of the options. It's like if one person has rock, paper and scissors, but the other person has a brick, some cloth and a sword.

amazing bro.

I love in-depth gold like this

Well done, I’m impressed

Man, that red bar in the thumbnail threw me for a second. Like ‘did I watch this already’? Lol

Love the vid

It took me 3 days to realize the thumbnail was why there was a red bar at the bottom and not me having seen this already

Keep this up this was so goog

nice dude 👍🏿.. next time i suggest covering pressure and okizeme ..keep the good work ..

17:10 I think it's worth noting that in SF3 NG and 2I his DP was very different, where he did a more typical DP before slamming the opponent down with an automatic punch follow-up, meaning all versions hit twice

The Shoryuken has so many applications and implications on fighting games: -It makes every knockdown a mixup. You already have wakeup block, meaty, and throw, but adding a Shoryuken makes it more complex because it's so powerful. -It's also a choice when used in combos. It does high damage and usually super cancels, plus most DPs will link from light normals due to fast startup (even in games where combos from lights are rare). But it has less range and worse oki, meaning you don't always wanna use it. -It's a good anti-air because of the damage, and the oki is better. But it's not the be all end all-it can whiff in some scenarios, it's harder to do, and it's still risky if it fails. -Even the fact that some characters don't have DPs is interesting. If your character doesn't have a DP, they may not have an invincible reversal or consistent anti-air, but it means that character plays differently and probably has different strengths. -A charge vs motion DP, as you noted, has different implications. A motion DP is more accessible and potent, but a charge dp is more rewarding and reliable. It's even more interesting depending on the character: some motion characters have charge-based DPs, or vice versa, which makes them even more unique. One last thing: I think DPs are kind of like the "shotos" of special moves. They work well for every aspect a character might deal with (anti-airs, reversals, combos, etc), but they're not the absolute best option for each of them. Plus, just like not every character is a shoto and not every shoto is the same, not every DP is equal and not everyone has a DP.

FADC was two bars not one reeeeeeeeee unsubbed. in all seriousness, fantastic video as always. thanks for the dope content.

more like this pls

This was great. Could've explained akumas dp pros n cons in battle and how it's style is basically a mix of Ken n Ryus but still a very amazing video

Punk has a good video on daigo v gamerbee. What happened was that daigo had a read on gamerbee where he would always go for crocuh tecs. So he didnt really umeshoryu in that match

yis more documentaries please

One note about difference between DP and Flash kick. Flash kick more consistent answer to crossup mixups because if enemy jumping around you it don't mess charge at all and move can still work after that

The red lines in the thumbnail made me think i already watched this, almost missed it.

Guilty Gear (Xrd and Strive not sure about older ones) basically has the SF4 mechanic where if your opponent blocks the reversal DP you can use meter to make it safe but if it whiffs you cannot. Strive adding the throw vulnerability to it makes it pretty balanced mind games when your opponent is waking up IMO. Now with Baiken out, and her having a meterless frame 1 counter that can be made safe with meter (on whiff ofc) but still vulnerable to throws, we have some pretty diverse mechanics to play around with in the future.

0:16 (the only) two other candidates that come to mind are hadouken/fireball and Scorpion's "Get over here!"

every time on wakeup baby

Interesting video

pretty cool

The red outline on the bottom of the thumbnail made me think I had already watched this and was really confused why I didnt remember it at all lol.

I still firmly believe that Tiger uppercut is a different type of DP and it's defining factor is the hit box is a bit more forward and it's chunkier damage but then again raising Jaguar is like another type of DP since it's angled.

Pretty good stuff in this documentary. Consider me subscribed!! I look forward to more interesting stuff like this.

I died when you started referring to SF3 characters as functions. 10/10

I just realized that in 3rd strike ken and akuma has invi in their DPs... Thanks for that tip! Now I dont need to fear wake up dp

That was goooood soup!

Im not gonna sugarcoat it ➡️⬇️↘️👊

They say you must defeat the Shoryuken to stand a Chance. But this Legend will remain undefeated even wen time itself ends.

this is just like street fighter

“Are you Ken?” “Sure, you can!”

The red border on the thumbnail made me think I had already watched this video.

Functions I’m having marvel infinite ptsd 😦😦😦 but love this video bro this inspiration me to do better in fighters

yes

It's embarrassing to admit, but I still don't know to do a consistent DP. The motions near impossible for me at times; in melty I can't get it at all, in SF4 it hardly ever comes out, where as in 3rd strike of all places, it comes out smooth like butter. I wanna learn. I wanna get better, because the hado and DP are such common motions that it's going to unlock so many more games for me. This sort of video inspires me a lot, and I thank you for it, edd.

"One of, if not the most recognizable moves in fighting game history" Fireball: am I a joke to you?

Luigi is my favourite Shoryuken user

i thought i had already watched this video because of the thumbnail

I sure love me some homemade shoryureppas in SFV

this was an actually cool and interestingvideo, even if I knew what's up and the story of DP. are we gonna get more specific move essays like this in the future?

“The balance of the DP is it’s hard input.” Bbtag: hit two buttons

YOOOOO I’ve ALWAYS said the shoryuken did more to shape fighting games than the hadouken… altho now I kinda want a hadouken video too XD

5:35 "Does Work" LOL

Let's goooo

Why isn't this on the front page of a reddit? This is pretty important video to ANYONE trying to get into fighting games or trying to jump less. And on a personal note, it shows why anti airs shouldn't be simplified

Remember when Geese had a DP with a psuedo-cross up? Fun times.