The Sinister Story of 13 Year Old Victorian Murderer Robert Coombes

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Well, I Never

Well, I Never

Күн бұрын

In this Victorian true crime episode we explore the disturbing case of Robert Coombes who, despite being just 13 years old at the time, was a callous and calculating murderer.
His case is one full of twists and turns and perhaps, even redemption.
00:00 - Intro The Story of Robert Coombes
00:46 - The Summer of 1895
06:52 - Emily Coombes Body is Discovered
10:30 - Trial and Aftermath
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@thebadshave503
@thebadshave503 11 ай бұрын
The most surprising bits of this story wasn't the murder, it was: - The Victorian justice system not wanting to hang someone, regardless of circumstance - The person being sent to a Victorian mental hospital and coming out of it (vs dying of TB or something) - The person actually seeming to have been largely rehabilitated by the process and going on to lead a normal, if in some elements admirable, life. Like... the system actually worked for once?
@Rubyoreo
@Rubyoreo 11 ай бұрын
ikr? thats the real shock.
@annafirth6738
@annafirth6738 11 ай бұрын
He probably wasn't poor
@RosinaEmilyW
@RosinaEmilyW 11 ай бұрын
It might have also had to do with the war. Seeing death in another way may also have emphasised the cruelty and consequences of it, which he may not have been able to process properly when he was younger. Considering what the brothers did immediately afterwards, it seems like it was originally viewed, particularly by Robert, in the same sort of way as ‘getting the house to themselves’.
@jack42011
@jack42011 10 ай бұрын
the exception that proves the rule Amazing this little sociopath didn't hurt more people and actually received super effective treatments in the conditions you state... yes..
@SR-iy4gg
@SR-iy4gg 10 ай бұрын
This was the late Victorian period, not the Dark Ages!
@terereynolds698
@terereynolds698 Жыл бұрын
My younger brothers and I grew up in an abusive home, both mentally and physically, but we never talked about killing our parents, there were many times I wished they were dead but I never thought about doing it, or having someone else kill them. I waited until I graduated high school and ran away, I was 17
@susanmccormick6022
@susanmccormick6022 Жыл бұрын
I hope things are better for you now.Wishing u the best.
@davehoward22
@davehoward22 Жыл бұрын
That's rough
@peggyjones9080
@peggyjones9080 Жыл бұрын
I also was in the same position I'm 63 now. I still have issues mental weight with my mother who is such a narcissist and says she never even touched me and my sister but as you know. And I know that she did of course you beat the hell out head up against the dresser dragged us around the house by our hair while we were naked. I have air problems because of her hitting me so much in the head she cracked a broomstick over my back and threw me down the stairs. Or pushed me down the stairs I walk with the cane now and I am going to see a doctor this week actually because of this vile person. That is my mother. Just because someone gives birth to you does not make them motherly. I've had my children's friends friends hug me and call me mom because her mom was a drunk or whatever whoever reading this I assure you. Understand I could go on. If you have children when you stop reading this please make sure you have them just because for no other reason
@peggyjones9080
@peggyjones9080 Жыл бұрын
Please excuse the.
@madeleine7411
@madeleine7411 Жыл бұрын
@@peggyjones9080 I am so sorry. You deserved to be cared for not hurt by your mother.
@9401maru
@9401maru 10 ай бұрын
He adopting an abused child says even more about his early life than even the information he killed his mother after she beaten his little brother.
@Kim-xo7qi
@Kim-xo7qi 3 ай бұрын
I thought this exact same thing
@goatsawar02
@goatsawar02 Жыл бұрын
As a fellow Tweed enthusiast I admire your courage to wear the full regalia loud& proud in public.
@scathatch
@scathatch Жыл бұрын
Tweed. Warm, sturdy and practical. stylish too.
@raymondkymsuttle
@raymondkymsuttle 8 ай бұрын
It’s not that unusual in England.
@creed22solar123
@creed22solar123 5 ай бұрын
@@scathatch what? tweed is the ultimate expression of style, especially when sitting in a smoky cafe, a blank page flickering on your auteur's edition Macbook Pro.
@prevost8686
@prevost8686 4 ай бұрын
Given the atrocious fashion trends of recent years I’d say tweed is pretty snazzy.
@MuffSplitter
@MuffSplitter 2 ай бұрын
Proper British
@jflan92
@jflan92 Жыл бұрын
I'm familiar with this case as I've read a book 'The Wicked Boy' by Kate Summerscale on the life of Robert Coombes. The reason why Robert murdered his mother out of anger because she had beaten his young brother the previous evening in front of other local children whom Robert & his brother had been playing with. The reason why Mrs Coombes had physically abused her 2 sons is that her husband was frequently away for longer periods as he worked for a shipping firm as a liner's steward out of sheer loneliness & frustation. I firmly believe that the 2 Coombe boys may have been abused mentally & physically since early childhood as the clue lay on Robert's severe headaches which he was taken to a family doctor from the age of 3 years old. The doctor advised both parents that Robert shouldn't have his head be struck any more. Why the doctor failed to alert the authorities of the fact that he suspected Robert was an abused child is a mystery to this day.
@martinaasandersen3775
@martinaasandersen3775 Жыл бұрын
Corporal punishment was legal and normal in those days (all the way up to year 2000 in private schools).
@TheFunkhouser
@TheFunkhouser Жыл бұрын
Totally correct!! Those poor kids!
@TheFunkhouser
@TheFunkhouser Жыл бұрын
@@martinaasandersen3775 so whats your point lol?
@martinaasandersen3775
@martinaasandersen3775 Жыл бұрын
@@TheFunkhouser " Why the doctor failed to alert the authorities of the fact that he suspected Robert was an abused child is a mystery to this day". No mystery. It was legal.
@bethrogers5553
@bethrogers5553 Жыл бұрын
Parents had full, legal control over how they disciplined their children even if their methods constitute abuse by today’s standards.
@firfuxsake
@firfuxsake Жыл бұрын
I'd heard of this murder before, but not about Robert Coombes after his release, I was just blown away. I wonder how his Dad coped.
@SR-iy4gg
@SR-iy4gg 10 ай бұрын
That's what I wondered about too. I read the Wikipedia article before watching this, and neither said anything about the dad afterwards.
@firfuxsake
@firfuxsake 10 ай бұрын
@@SR-iy4gg we can only hope he found peace x
@nataliemay415
@nataliemay415 10 ай бұрын
I can say I wasn't shocked to hear he moved here to Australia.
@Mailed-Knight
@Mailed-Knight 10 ай бұрын
@@nataliemay415 I'm Australian and I laughed at that joke.
@cliffgaither
@cliffgaither 9 ай бұрын
@SR-iy4gg :: It was up to the narrator to tell us what happened to the father. Very bad choice not to tell the viewers. The jury was ahead of its time to place him in an institution or maybe the death penalty was too severe for a 13-year-old ? The heavy treatment by the doctors at his birth seems like a reasonable explanation for the cause.
@MightyMezzo
@MightyMezzo Жыл бұрын
He committed a horrifying crime at an age marked by big emotions and poor impulse control. Then after serving time and being allowed to mature in a stable environment, he ends up a fairly decent human being. Well I never.
@charlesc.9012
@charlesc.9012 Жыл бұрын
He definitely suffered brain damage to his prefrontal cortex, the part responsible with complex thoughts and impulse control. If the scars were still on his temple, it would have been a serious injury, and inflicted while his skull was still soft and less able to protect his brain
@tmlawson751
@tmlawson751 Жыл бұрын
brain damage too as an infant... i am surprised he turned it around, and it wasn't an act to do more evil...
@teijaflink2226
@teijaflink2226 Жыл бұрын
I was actually very moved that he saved another child from abuse and became his father, well dobe, proof people can get better. Yeah it's possible something was wrong with him mentally or with his brain but sounds like it got better as he grew up.
@miketemple7686
@miketemple7686 Жыл бұрын
He was already in a stable environment with his family. As for the KZfaq psychological assessment of prefrontal cortex damage B.S; why didn’t he continue making horrific decisions after release from jail. Nah, to you all. This kid was engrossed with his Penny Dreadful magazines and decided to act out those fantasies to see what it was like.
@PigeonLord
@PigeonLord Жыл бұрын
@@miketemple7686 are you also the type to claim violent video games and movies make kids want to be violent? sounds to me like he snapped; if what they claimed was true that the mother was physically abusive, maybe that was the final straw and he decided to act. maybe he just had some sort of other mental health condition that had no real name at the time other than "not quite right". whatever it be, we may never know the true answer.
@FunSizeSpamberguesa
@FunSizeSpamberguesa Жыл бұрын
I'm always fascinated by child killers who somehow manage to grow up to be functional members of society -- I have to wonder how, when they go so wrong so young, that they straighten out.
@clairekortbawi5659
@clairekortbawi5659 Жыл бұрын
Let alone going off to Broadmoor at that age in that time!
@platedlizard
@platedlizard Жыл бұрын
I think he might have been telling the truth about being abused by his mother. Generally children that age who murder their parents do so for one of two reasons, either they are being abused and believe that is the only way to make it stop, or they are deeply mentally ill. The fact that he was a functional adult points to the former rather than the later
@julierobinson3633
@julierobinson3633 Жыл бұрын
I think in those cases perhaps it's because what is wrong with them that allowed them to do what they did as a child is the result of a trauma, not an innate personality trait like sociopathy? They can be helped to develop and overcome the trauma. I'm thinking of Mary Bell and her desperate childhood with an abusive prostitute mother who pimped her out. The most interesting example seems to be with James Bulger's killers, Venables and Thompson. At the time Robert Thompson, from a desperately dysfunctional home with an alcoholic mother was thought to be the leader, while Jon Venables, from a home where his parents cared about him, charmed the police officers into feeling sorry for him. Yet all these years later Thompson has managed to stay out of trouble and has become - so far as we know- a functional member of society, whereas Venables has been back in prison for child pornography and other offences. It is hard not to draw the conclusion that -however you might feel about them for their crime as children, and this is absolutely NO excuse for what they did- Thompson back then was damaged by his environment, which allowed his actions that day and removed from that environment he was able to develop and change, whereas Venables has something innately just WRONG with his personality, that all the 'rehabilitation' in the world cannot change.
@icequeen9417
@icequeen9417 Жыл бұрын
You dont know if he didnt kill again. He should of been hung when he was of age. murder is murder regardless .
@icequeen9417
@icequeen9417 Жыл бұрын
​@@platedlizard Well there are people out there accusing their parents of abuse and found out in court after they murdered them were good parenrts. I dont buy his story. It sounds he was a rotten little pyschopath
@emmylou2652
@emmylou2652 Жыл бұрын
The considerable head trauma suffered by Robert at a protracted, difficult birth may account in part for his crime. Traumatic brain injury often features as one of the often overlooked elements which can precede such shocking events 😢
@trevorjennings721
@trevorjennings721 Жыл бұрын
Hello Emmy, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the COVID-19 virus??
@IwasBlueb4
@IwasBlueb4 11 ай бұрын
Im sorry....it can cause the frontal lobe 2 b damaged, so the person feels no fear or remorse....but they CHOOSE to kill or not
@sisuguillam5109
@sisuguillam5109 11 ай бұрын
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@KiraReminiec9399
@KiraReminiec9399 11 ай бұрын
Emny,Not necessarily.. I have a TBI & I never murdered anyone
@danielkoher1944
@danielkoher1944 11 ай бұрын
Also, suffering trauma to the frontal lobe, has been proven to cause schizophrenia.
@scifirocks
@scifirocks 9 ай бұрын
My family life was dysfunctional, and my dad was abusive. My sister and I played this game where we'd say how we would kill him in out early-mid teens. It was rather cathartic, and allowed us to express some of the trauma. We obviously never acted on any of these plans.
@alysononoahu8702
@alysononoahu8702 8 ай бұрын
I understand
@Lauren-bd2fr
@Lauren-bd2fr 2 ай бұрын
it’s hard to admit stuff like this but it truly does give more insight. at the same time, people who havent gone through abuse will probably never understand how you could say all that, while at the same time never truly wishing an ounce of actual harm, but I understand you completely. Stuff like this proves just how hard it can be to not judge people who have experiences others have never once gone through
@kayevans2964
@kayevans2964 Жыл бұрын
Horrific to think he could be capable of murdering his mother, let alone at that young age. Going on to adopt a son and fighting for his country took bravery. Wow, what a mix of emotions I'm feeling 🤯
@icequeen9417
@icequeen9417 Жыл бұрын
It has happend alot throughout history. Humans are unpredictable and can be vindictive without cause, why I dont trust them .
@teijaflink2226
@teijaflink2226 Жыл бұрын
Wonder if he and his brother whete abused and he had enough but still extremely disturbing story.
@rheverend
@rheverend Жыл бұрын
Ppl are more than one or two decisions. Those capable of great evil have often done heroic things, like Ted bundy saving a drowning kid. It does make me question the mom tho if that was robert’s one and only act of violence. A child psychopath wouldn’t just stop being violent once he’d murdered someone. An abusive home life would explain so much of his behavior
@danielcurtis1434
@danielcurtis1434 Жыл бұрын
Hey just look at the James Bulger murderers!!! One hasn’t had an issue since release… The other had been in trouble including possession of child porn!!! I think we need more research!!! The thing is without taking the chance of releasing these potentially dangerous people we get no relevant data. So it’s something we need to have very balanced compassion for. Justice goes out the window in juvenile cases!! It’s all about rehabilitation or justification for life long monitoring!!! I just wonder if these people actually understand what they’ve done??? I say this cuz I think if just want to end my existence of I did something so bad!!! Unfortunately there’s cases like Edmond Kemper who murdered his grandparents in 1964 released in 1970 and resumed killing all but immediately… I think he’s probably the exception (I hope)…
@juliaoconnor5798
@juliaoconnor5798 Жыл бұрын
@@rheverend I agree.
@lolaadesina5362
@lolaadesina5362 10 ай бұрын
It's not just the killing that's baffling, it's the craftiness of these boys, the planning and cover up at such a tender age. Shocking 😮
@WendyJones-zx7is
@WendyJones-zx7is 6 ай бұрын
There but for the grace of God go you then , ? You cannot set yourself up as judge and jury ? We are only human and the mind can be a very cruel thing !
@LathropLdST
@LathropLdST 22 күн бұрын
​​@@WendyJones-zx7is what is that supposed to mean?! I have known 7 and 9 year olds both well capable of, and bragging about doing away with their elders. In my own family, no less. 13 years old is a laughable standard to be shocked, in my book.
@BoSmith7045
@BoSmith7045 10 ай бұрын
It's a odd story. A boy murders his mother and welcomes his own death and somehow leaves a place like Broadmoor in his thirties as a functioning member of society. And he was even kind of heroic serving in Gallipoli, taking in a abused child, and reenlisting to serve again in his 50s. I was expecting more tragedy but he sounded like a guy I wouldn't mind having as a neighbor. Did some Victorian doctor do something right or did he just out grow his issues?
@shelzblack488
@shelzblack488 8 ай бұрын
I think his only issue was his mother and therefore it was no longer an issue as such.
@addo2419
@addo2419 8 ай бұрын
Mother was probably abusive
@addo2419
@addo2419 8 ай бұрын
@@ChiefHerzensCoach That's what I thought too
@Amputations
@Amputations 2 ай бұрын
he got rid of the problem , i dont think he was even actually troubled , abuse can make you do some wild stuff , and goes to show how he had compassion for his adopted son and others on the battlefield , he probably didn't want anyone else to go through what he and his brother did , i dont think there was any evil to this besides maybe the mother
@judedonnelly4100
@judedonnelly4100 2 ай бұрын
"AN" odd story...... "AN" abused.......... N between two a's !!!!!!!!! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
@rixx46
@rixx46 Жыл бұрын
My Grandfather grew up in East London at this very time. Roughly that same age as Robert! This is one of my favourite moving, complex stories of the Victorian period -- of course, this is an excellent representation of it. As noted in the video, I recommend checking out: The Wicked Boy: An Infamous Murder in Victorian London by Kate Summerscale. Such a tragic story -- and yet, Robert was shown mercy and understanding that ultimately led to the saving of several lives. In the book, Summerscale notes that the younger brother was manipulated into turning on Robert. Summerscale makes the point the boys were complicit in the murder though the deed was committed by Robert. Separated for years, they briefly reunited in Australia when they were both serving in the war. I am no shrink, but I think Robert has a psychotic break due to the brutality suffered from his mother. According to the book, it's evident the mum was mentally ill - she beat and starved the boys when the father was at sea. Not justifying murder, but If Robert were a TRUE psychopath, he would never have managed the empathy and compassion he exhibited later in life. I believe he killed his mum in a desperate effort to protect his little brother from her. While researching the story, Summerscale actually found Robert's adopted son, Harry, who was then living in senior care. Harry paid for the commemorative tombstone on Robert's grave. He had no knowledge of Robert's dark past - he only knew the kind, adoptive father who saved him from his own cruel father.
@Religion0
@Religion0 Жыл бұрын
Wow. I feel that leaving out how horribly their mother abused them did Robert a huge disservice. He had an excellent motive, then, and one that had probably been building. Him suffering a psychotic break also makes sense, although I'm still surprised that Broadmoore apparently helped him recover to grow up to be a good and stable man.
@teijaflink2226
@teijaflink2226 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting that he was a loving adoptive father, I definitely believe that he and his brother where horribly abuse, perhaps he was just protecting his bother or he had a mental breakdown too, specially if his mother was suffering from bad mental health. Good to hear that he became a much better parent himself despite everything. It is terrifying though that a child can murder but it makes more sence if they where beat up by a crazy person.
@teijaflink2226
@teijaflink2226 Жыл бұрын
Actually made me tear up in the end that he saved another abused boy and became his father, I have heard this story but not this important part before, proof that people can get and do better.
@rixx46
@rixx46 Жыл бұрын
@@Religion0 I don’t recall all the details from the book, but I know he got special care as the youngest patient there. I may be wrong but i believe he was transferred from Broadmore after a few years to a less severe facility. He was given a full education and learned work skills so he’d be employable when released (having grown up incarcerated). He lucked into the beginning of a progressive attitude about criminal reform Ironically, being locked up probably led him to a better life than he might have otherwise had.
@rixx46
@rixx46 Жыл бұрын
@@teijaflink2226 the book is a very moving illustration of that - especially when the author actually FINDS the (now elderly) boy Robert saved from his abusive father. He had no clue about Robert’s dark past - she did not tell him about it - all that mattered was the kind man who adopted him. Hope you read the book!
@qua9
@qua9 11 ай бұрын
He was abused. For those people who say they would never think of killing their parents even when abused, all I can say is, anybody can snap. Even the most patient and kindest person has a breaking point and the abuser deserved what they themselves caused.
@ZeeNastee
@ZeeNastee 11 ай бұрын
I thought about doing my mom in when I was a little kid, even had it planned out. She was severely abusive and it felt like a her or me sort of thing. I didn't go through with it obviously but I can understand how a child would want to.
@siobhanmcneenan3253
@siobhanmcneenan3253 11 ай бұрын
There go i but for the Grace of God
@user-yx4gd2wt2m
@user-yx4gd2wt2m 11 ай бұрын
@@siobhanmcneenan3253 🤮🤢
@julierobinson3633
@julierobinson3633 11 ай бұрын
True, but it isn't so much that he snapped but that his behaviour afterwards of being completely unconcerned was abnormal. We don't know what state he was in when he killed her but in the period afterwards he didn't seem to present any of the normal shock and remorse somone who snapped could be expected to feel. No matter how much he hated her she WAS still the person to whom he should have had an emotional attachment - even a complicated one - yet his actions in the period after her death suggest none.
@ZeeNastee
@ZeeNastee 11 ай бұрын
@@julierobinson3633 If your mother never acted like a mother and was more your enemy, trust me, there is no emotional attachment. I'm not going to care at all when my "birth giver" dies. Why should I?
@toddabowden
@toddabowden Жыл бұрын
I come here for the amazing, intriguing stories. I stay to gather fashion ideas from the outstanding host. Long live this channel.
@cynthiahauser3419
@cynthiahauser3419 Жыл бұрын
Hear hear!!
@michalsextion9664
@michalsextion9664 8 ай бұрын
As soon as the narrator mentioned the two boys being so different from the parents, I had a feeling they were being heavily abused. No one is raised by a great mother and hard-working father, and all of their kids (just two this time) happened to be sullen and unlike either one. If it was just Robert, ok, but Robert Jr AND Nathaniel...
@momv2pa
@momv2pa Жыл бұрын
I never heard of this story before. You wonder how Robert was able to deal with what he had done and proceeded to live out a “normal” life. It’s quite an incredible tale.
@leesloan8216
@leesloan8216 Жыл бұрын
probably because didn't really care, I have dealt with children that are completely emotionally detached,
@Mailed-Knight
@Mailed-Knight 10 ай бұрын
Robert supposedly suffered from scars on his head from his mother's abuse and thought his brother was going to end up the same way.
@davidmoore2308
@davidmoore2308 8 ай бұрын
His frontal cortex would have had time to form by the time he got out.
@bmona7550
@bmona7550 8 ай бұрын
I mean if the parent is abusive a number of kids in that household survive by not considering them good parents. That thought process justifies a lot of what he did to escape such a toxic life. Heck may even count as self defense. We don’t really know what went down between them.
@Laura-kl7vi
@Laura-kl7vi 8 ай бұрын
I assure you it's formed prior to birth. But it develops further, it's not "done cooking" until young men are in their early to mid 20s, a bit earlier in young women. That's why high school girls tend to be so much more mature than boys. @@davidmoore2308
@geraldinekearney542
@geraldinekearney542 11 ай бұрын
I’ve read the book about Robert Coombs, it’s called The Wicked Boy, by Kate Summerscale. It’s a great book and despite the horrible crime, it’s also about redemption and forgiveness. I would thoroughly recommend the book 📖
@Immopimmo
@Immopimmo Жыл бұрын
A great storyteller, a true gentleman and a man of fashion!
@rockabillybaby4019
@rockabillybaby4019 10 ай бұрын
I had to sit and think about this case for a while. The children were described as sullen and unlike their parents. While that could be true, I find that I believe they were most likely abused. Dad was gone all the time. How would he know what went on in his household? I don’t think the comics factored into anything except how to hide the smell when the deed was done. But once caught, he didn’t lie about what he had done. He was straightforward. The lawyer had to coax him into changing his plea. He never blamed the adult, and while he said the idea was his brother’s, he fully admitted to being the one to do the deed. He was okay with his own death at that point. In my inexpert opinion, I think he snapped, killed her, and was left with what he had done. The laughing and the mocking could’ve been done to try to irritate the police and make them kill him or to seal his fate in court.
@thischick8437
@thischick8437 9 ай бұрын
Old-fashioned attitudes might’ve also led the adults to describe simple questions as “mockery.”
@Badficwriter
@Badficwriter 6 ай бұрын
The book says the mother starved them and beat them. That was why Robert was so focused on food.
@ImCarolB
@ImCarolB Жыл бұрын
I imagine he tried to make amends, in his own way, by offering a stable life to another boy and serving his adopted country.
@sylverscale
@sylverscale Жыл бұрын
Maybe he saved another child from abuse. We'll never know if what he said about his mother is true. An interesting thought. I'm glad he got to live because he saved a boy and probably many other lives, even though he has taken one. Doesn't make what he did right but I'm still glad something good came out of it.
@odapunkt
@odapunkt 11 ай бұрын
I dont think he tried to make amends, he was so broken that he did not care if he would hang, he probably had good reasons for what he did
@addie_is_me
@addie_is_me Жыл бұрын
The only thing that ever gets me befuddled about what people are capable of is, living in the house with a rotting human corpse. The smell is unmistakable, strong and horrible. If being able to do that doesn't prove insanity...anyway, Good morning Paul and crew, thanks for another doozy. ☕🌻 And good morning WINnies. 🤍
@rixx46
@rixx46 Жыл бұрын
Especially in the heat of summer with no ventilation or AC! Mind you, the general stink of daily life was different then - the streets were full of horse crap!
@darrenryder3416
@darrenryder3416 Жыл бұрын
What have you two been up to?
@ktkat1949
@ktkat1949 Жыл бұрын
My BFF was a Mountie here in Canada. She said the first time you smell a rotting corpse you will never ever forget the smell. She was asked to attend a hotel because the staff couldn't open the door. It was on the fourth floor. She said the moment she stepped in the lobby she knew the person was dead. The smell was unmistakable.
@KappaKiller108
@KappaKiller108 Ай бұрын
As a general rule, humans noses get acclimated to almost any smell after 3 hours.
@netto6681
@netto6681 Жыл бұрын
Then it was Penny Dreadfuls to blame, 100 years later it was a Child’s Play VHS in the Bulger case. People are always desperate to point to an aspect of contemporary media which has perverted young minds, when it’s obvious that this sort of crime has the chance of cropping up at any point in history.
@nicolad8822
@nicolad8822 Жыл бұрын
On Robert’s AIF Attestation papers he was asked have you ever been an apprentice. He answered yes, 5 years Crowthorne Berkshire…. the location of Broadmoor.
@chriscody1761
@chriscody1761 Жыл бұрын
Wow what a story, I live in NSW so I found this very interesting. Terrible crime at such a young age, but sounds like he found redemption in helping others, which is admirable.
@briansullivan5908
@briansullivan5908 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad his stay at Broadmoor helped him. Especially since what's said about the horrors that happened in psychiatric hospital then.
@teijaflink2226
@teijaflink2226 Жыл бұрын
And even later with Jimmy Savile creeping in the corridors yikes. Amazing that he managed to get better though specially back then with not much understanding about mental illness. He must have met some actual good people who actually cared about him and wanted him to get better.
@Mailed-Knight
@Mailed-Knight 10 ай бұрын
@@teijaflink2226 You might want to read up on what the Victorian Era Brits actually knew about mental illness before saying such things.
@julieblackstock8650
@julieblackstock8650 Жыл бұрын
I read the book about this ,, had never heard of it before then. He ended up in Australia!! My family were from Plaistow in the 1940s. Im glad you covered this largely unknown story
@shaneogden3622
@shaneogden3622 Жыл бұрын
What was the book called?
@joannaw5913
@joannaw5913 Жыл бұрын
@@shaneogden3622 It's probably 'The Wicked Boy' by Kate Summerscale, as referenced in this video. Highly recommended.
@shaneogden3622
@shaneogden3622 Жыл бұрын
@@joannaw5913 Thanks. I've heard of the book but wasn't all that interested until I saw this video.
@rixx46
@rixx46 Жыл бұрын
@@joannaw5913 Yes - a great book! I found the audio version was great, but you forego the illustrations and photos.
@looloo4029
@looloo4029 Жыл бұрын
He should never have been allowed to emigrate to another country. Keep your murderers at home under lock and key in your own country!
@evamichelova8296
@evamichelova8296 Жыл бұрын
So good to see you, Paul, thank you for making my day better :-) Can't wait to watch the video after work.
@LizStaples
@LizStaples Жыл бұрын
I think from his life after the hospital we can give some credence to the abuse allegation he leaves at his mother. His focus on the breakfast before hanging and being suicidal ads credence to the claims the brother may have been beaten for “stealing food”. Also he didn’t try to blame the mentally disabled adult which would be the go to for a truly evil child. It’s a good case for rehabilitative Justice even if the crime was without warrant.
@sisuguillam5109
@sisuguillam5109 11 ай бұрын
​@@trevorjennings721 and Trevor-bot again.
@SmellyMellyization
@SmellyMellyization 10 ай бұрын
Yes I agree with this completely! I think the boys were abused by their mother.
@annabanana8700
@annabanana8700 9 ай бұрын
Children rarely act in such a way without there having been some abuse beforehand💔
@spookyspider1014
@spookyspider1014 8 ай бұрын
That would definitely make sense, and explain why he adopted an abused child himself, likely wanting to save the kid before he turned out the same way...
@charmaynebruce6215
@charmaynebruce6215 8 ай бұрын
Oh for goodness' sake. Don't any of you people (commenters above this) realise the reason so many teens and even younger, are out of control - now, not then - is because of a LACK of discipline; a fear of clipping your child around the ear for stealing etc., because the Dept., of Children then "gets" you. I'm not writing of beating children up; that's a LOT different to turning a child over your knee and spanking them. There's a massive difference between abuse and warranted spankings. No wonder the world has gone nuts!
@chey7TH
@chey7TH 8 ай бұрын
How have i never stumbled upon your channel earlier? This is the kind of storytelling that is gruesome, but also very much suitable for school. Very nice style, sir. You've got yourself another subscriber! And thank you for making this video 😊
@pillettadoinswartsh4974
@pillettadoinswartsh4974 11 ай бұрын
Thousands of kids were reading Penny Dreadful and 100 other publishers of such materials. Only a small few of them committed murders themselves. So, to blame the magazines for the murders, is absurd.
@Frendlu
@Frendlu 3 ай бұрын
100 years ago, was from the magazines, currently, from videogames. 😅 Both cases are absurd
@EarthaClit88
@EarthaClit88 10 ай бұрын
This is like 5 minutes walking from my home I never knew of this story. I’ve walked past this place countless times and you’d never know it was any sort of historical site
@chrishamilton2527
@chrishamilton2527 11 ай бұрын
Wow, what a post. Straight into the story without the usual long winded intro. Well done for an informative post. ❤
@speakerpythia
@speakerpythia Жыл бұрын
Historical true crime is my favorite; I always look forward to a new upload from your channel. Thank you!
@julierobinson3633
@julierobinson3633 Жыл бұрын
Odd really, because from his behaviour regarding his mother's murder it is simple to diagnose him as a sociopath. But that is not something that can be cured, no matter how long he was in a mental hospital. And yet as an adult he seems to have shown no signs of that and led an exemplary life. (I know that most spciopaths are NOT murderers, but they are also people with recognisable personality traits that don't seem to fit with his helping others in later life. So his behaviour as an adolescent suggests some ongoing trauma at the time that was never uncovered?
@phallusy6574
@phallusy6574 Жыл бұрын
Well he probably murdered quite a few while at war.
@JuMiKu
@JuMiKu Жыл бұрын
That is incorrect. Plenty of sociopaths will absolutely help others all the bloody time. Of course they will, if they see a benefit to themselves. He knows he needs to clear up his image, so adopting an orphan, even going to war is absolutely something sociopaths would do. Self-serving doesn't mean never helping, as weird as it sounds. (In fact, the military is THE place to meet all kinds of sociopaths, striving to rise in the ranks, make a name for themselves (and sometimes kill without repercussions)).
@whowantswaffles
@whowantswaffles Жыл бұрын
I mean, there's plenty here we may not know. He could've easily killed others as a child, killed animals, or gone on to kill as an adult. Heck, he may have abused his adopted son. So much is lost to time in stories this old. I doubt very much he just straightened out and committed one crime.
@alimay8344
@alimay8344 11 ай бұрын
Children can't be diagnosed as having antisocial personality disorder (sociopaths) because they are still developing their personalities. Conduct disorder possibly.
@julierobinson3633
@julierobinson3633 11 ай бұрын
@@alimay8344 Can't be diagnosed, but probably do still have it? I wasn't diagnosed as having Aspergers until my mid 40s but I didn't suddenly develop it at that age...
@parsnipmcgee329
@parsnipmcgee329 Жыл бұрын
I adore the presenter's sartorial style, along with the set design for his study. Snazzy!
@fay-amieaspen6046
@fay-amieaspen6046 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for another awesome video ❤
@Over60sowhat
@Over60sowhat 4 ай бұрын
Good one! Thank you for posting!!
@tracycampanaro9004
@tracycampanaro9004 Жыл бұрын
What a tragic story. It is a fact that a very high percentage of all criminals have suffered some type of head injury in their lives. This fact rings true of Robert and shame on his mother, shame, shame, shame! That his doctor had to tell the mother to stop hitting his head is testament to him having a head injury which manifested as headaches. How hard does one have to hit a child to incur these headaches he had. Issues with food as well when Robert remarked that as long as he had a good supper beforehand, that he cared not if he was suicided or was hanged. So beaten across the head and little food for a growing child not to mention the father away, appeared to make the perfect storm. He undoubtedly had a head injury of a type that perhaps made him cold to what he did but we would never know. Who really would even now. So many years in prison, just a horrid life. Shame on the mother again. Then to become a stretcher bearer in Gallipoli my goodness. The stretcher bearers being the bravest of all over there. I myself am from NSW in Australia and indeed there were many farmers that had come back from Gallipoli and dairied here. They were given plots of land or pioneer settlements. My great uncle had served underage in Gallipoli and received a Pioneer's Settlement. Also dairied. His dear daughter who only died a few years ago at 93 had told me that her mother said he was never the same from the war. Those soldiers were another special breed indeed. Getting back to Robert though, I think it took a special breed to be able to fight over there and to be a stretcher bearer, well just maybe his head injury left a kind of emptiness on some level in his brain where he just didn't see/feel/care of danger. We will never know. I hope he is resting in peace. I am just so saddened for him.
@trevorjennings721
@trevorjennings721 Жыл бұрын
Hello Tracy, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the COVID-19 virus??
@DJ-mr6um
@DJ-mr6um Жыл бұрын
Love this channel so much! ❤ Please never stop
@smallman5509
@smallman5509 Жыл бұрын
Great horrifying story telling and the location moving definitely adds to grasping the viewer into watching. Awesome high effort you all do.
@jpendowski7503
@jpendowski7503 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful storytelling, locations and presentation. Thanks Paul.
@ailleananaithnid2566
@ailleananaithnid2566 Жыл бұрын
These stories and always well written and presented. However, I always seem to be eating when I read about them. And I seem to come across the part about the maggots just as I sit down to eat my meal. I really do find maggots to be especially disgusting! 🤮 😮
@GnrMilligan
@GnrMilligan Жыл бұрын
This is the first of your videos I have seen. And I must say it's clear your content is well researched and a lot of effort goes into making them. Good script and well presented. A like and a sub well earned!
@planetglammakeupstudio8145
@planetglammakeupstudio8145 10 ай бұрын
You are so bloody cool. I’m loving the stories. Thank you so much for making these videos! 🖤
@Piedog769
@Piedog769 Жыл бұрын
Great channel. Love the presentation style and the whole aesthetic. Thanks!
@Flamsterette
@Flamsterette Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the upload! Enjoy your weekend.
@lukebrel7969
@lukebrel7969 Жыл бұрын
Riveting! Unlike so many of these crime history channels, whose narrators have irritating, droning voices, and no verbal presentation skills, the narration here is MASTERFUL! Utterly engrossing throughout, and I love the added touch of the contemporary costume! I have just subscribed, and will watch every single episode. Thank you for an absorbing KZfaq channel. Keep them coming!
@andree-annetrudel3949
@andree-annetrudel3949 Жыл бұрын
This is truly one of my favorite KZfaq channel, another great story told by a great gentleman
@EmiEvergiven
@EmiEvergiven Жыл бұрын
I know I'm playing devil's advocate here but given the scope of this story I'm genuinely curious if he was being abused by his mother. No that doesn't make it okay or even less horrific that he killed her but it might explain some things.
@garybrockwell2031
@garybrockwell2031 Жыл бұрын
Indeed how did he get the bump on the head, that triggered such a tragedy 🤔🎭
@rixx46
@rixx46 Жыл бұрын
The book goes into more detail about how crazy the mum was - genuinely cruel and abusive. Robert's motive was to protect his little brother from her. In the book, Summerscale notes that the younger brother was manipulated into turning on Robert in court. Summerscale makes the point the boys were complicit in the murder though the deed was committed by Robert. Separated for years, they briefly reunited in Australia when they were both serving in the war.
@nicolad8822
@nicolad8822 Жыл бұрын
Nathaniel’s evidence did say Robert had slept in her room the night of the murder.
@angeladetrizio9522
@angeladetrizio9522 11 ай бұрын
Great video. Love your format. Great job. I love the older stories. ❤
@chuckabutty888
@chuckabutty888 Жыл бұрын
Just come across this story which is very well told. I love reading and hearing of tales like this, you have me hooked as a new subscriber.
@kannbishop8218
@kannbishop8218 11 ай бұрын
Hi, first timer, hearing your stories- love it😊!!
@19spurs61
@19spurs61 Жыл бұрын
you do these so well mate i look forward to them take care and have a nice weekend
@ronicasmith3956
@ronicasmith3956 11 ай бұрын
Wowowow. This was suggested and I love all of this. The switching to different places. When you come back I’m like where he now. I love all of your attires, very brilliant and sharp. Your voice add so much to the story like its own character. I will be watching. Great work
@joycebenbow4836
@joycebenbow4836 11 ай бұрын
Hi John just a quick not to say thank you so much for all your efforts in producing these insightful and thoroughly enjoyable videos - I look forward to watching new videos when I get into bed at night 😴. You are a really wonderful narrator and you are, unknowingly educating and entertaining a lot of people, sincere thanks from us all.
@laurametheny1008
@laurametheny1008 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! So many horrifying stories from back in the day. Take care sir🙏💔🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@beatnikmary
@beatnikmary 8 ай бұрын
My favourite thing about this channel is how good this tall Victorian ghost is at using camera equipment. Way to go, man!
@anteeantee8144
@anteeantee8144 4 ай бұрын
very interesting and well presented!
@scottbruner9266
@scottbruner9266 11 ай бұрын
I love these “field-trip” episodes. Awesome channel
@ZacThaBarber
@ZacThaBarber Жыл бұрын
Such an underrated channel! Subscribed. Your annunciation is remarkable! 10/10 would recommend
@nicolad8822
@nicolad8822 Жыл бұрын
Enunciation.
@rodeastell3615
@rodeastell3615 Жыл бұрын
Excellent and far from ordinary story. Thanks for posting.
@22vx
@22vx 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for this post.
@nettieinstitches2210
@nettieinstitches2210 Жыл бұрын
Just love your storytelling!
@trevorjennings721
@trevorjennings721 Жыл бұрын
Hello Nette, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the COVID-19 virus??
@lovingmayberry307
@lovingmayberry307 Жыл бұрын
I'm astounded that he could grow up into a responsible member of society, not to mention a war hero! Broadmoor was a horrifying place in early 1900's, especially for a young boy. Against all odds he turned his life around!
@MrBDezno
@MrBDezno Жыл бұрын
Actually Broadmoor was quite progressive in Robert's time. For more information on this case, an excellent book - The Wicked Boy.
@stargates9993
@stargates9993 Жыл бұрын
🙄 Seriously are you people still living in the dark ages??? Don't you know anything about psychopaths??? There is no bravery here. Psychopaths are the boogeymen in the shadows. They are the apex human predators. War & horror is breakfast, lunch & diner for them. He didn't turn his life around. He just got better at what he did. Those people know the system & the human psychology. Why do you think, there are so many complaints about bosses & supervisors in the work force? Where do you think the Jimmy Saville or Harvey Weinsteen came from? And as for the boy he adopted, you would not want to know the lives of the girls & women who fell in love with that one either... Please start thinking a little bit more & connect the dots. A responsible member of society WTF!? Have you seen how think are going bad around the world??? Do you think it is by happen stance??? 😤
@lucyfur
@lucyfur Жыл бұрын
Broadmoor still is a horrifying place if recent channel 4 documentaries are anything to go by.
@NorthBayFCT
@NorthBayFCT 6 ай бұрын
Robert had access to books and music and learned skills he never would have if he hasn’t gone to Broadmoor. He was in an upper tier at the asylum and it sounded like a gentleman’s club.
@brownwarrior6867
@brownwarrior6867 9 ай бұрын
I thoroughly enjoy the setting and manner in which you tell these stories. Keep up the very good work sir and blessings from Scotland. 🙏🏼
@SpringNotes
@SpringNotes Жыл бұрын
Aside from the great narration done by Paul - I just love this channel's artistic direction ! It was self evident, upon first seeing the seated indoor background narration. And chef's kiss, to this video's intro and outro shots ! 😍 It's greatly appreciated.
@marks1638
@marks1638 11 ай бұрын
When I younger I was the listening person for a former member of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. He was going thru cancer treatments as a teenager (everyone was working that summer) I listened to a man telling bone chilling tales of assassination, murder, and escape from overwhelming odds. Based on my recollections, I'd say he probably could have depopulated a small town killing NKVD, Political Commissars, German soldiers, and SS killers.
@marieapodaca7040
@marieapodaca7040 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love your story telling.
@trevorjennings721
@trevorjennings721 Жыл бұрын
Hello Marie, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the COVID-19 virus??
@richardroth4915
@richardroth4915 Жыл бұрын
Great narration... can't wait for another one .. great job 👏
@misteebond
@misteebond Жыл бұрын
Dude your videos deserve so many more views, you do an awesome job. I love watching every video.
@perribewsey1278
@perribewsey1278 11 ай бұрын
I lived in East Ham for most of my life until i married and I'd never heard that story before. Thankyou, it was fascinating and I enjoyed listening to you tell the tale ❤
@thebernice6062
@thebernice6062 Жыл бұрын
People are more complicated than most of us want to acknowledge. All I can say is I hope his redemption was an honest attempt to atone for his crime.
@cindysmith6612
@cindysmith6612 Жыл бұрын
Thank You for your work
@wompppwompwomppp
@wompppwompwomppp 10 ай бұрын
Fantastic video, keep up the great work. 💓
@traceyearl9468
@traceyearl9468 Жыл бұрын
Gday Mr Brodie another great episode hope you keep them coming and you too stay safe and l will wait till your next one😊
@trevorjennings721
@trevorjennings721 Жыл бұрын
Hello Tracey, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the COVID-19 virus??
@claresmith9261
@claresmith9261 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps he was badly abused himself by his mother and that’s why he adopted the boy perhaps he understood his plight
@trevorjennings721
@trevorjennings721 Жыл бұрын
Hello Clare, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the COVID-19 virus??
@user-qg9fj4yj9g
@user-qg9fj4yj9g 4 ай бұрын
Interesting and well done, thanks for posting 👍
@59tante
@59tante 11 ай бұрын
Great video
@APhoenix46
@APhoenix46 Жыл бұрын
Hi 👋 I’m a new subscriber to your channel, I watch Fascinating Horror every week and your channel came up on my homepage. I love your videos, the way you narrate them, the care and attention you give to each video. Keep up the great work😊
@trevorjennings721
@trevorjennings721 Жыл бұрын
Hello Marta, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the COVID-19 virus??
@gloriagehring8676
@gloriagehring8676 9 ай бұрын
Imagine the pain emotionally and physically, mentally that he indeed survived and having had enough ended that life for all to live a better life. Just because they’re parents doesn’t make the life of the child’s safe. Horrible humans have children to abuse and sell for parts or houses of evil.
@trevorjennings721
@trevorjennings721 8 ай бұрын
Hello Gloria, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the COVID-19 virus??
@RailfanDownunder
@RailfanDownunder Жыл бұрын
Fascinating... Superb work Sir
@BMW7series251
@BMW7series251 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. Thanks for posting. Regards John.
@rebel.taylord
@rebel.taylord 8 ай бұрын
Having abusive parents myself I feel bad for Robert. My parents were not only physically abusive but emotional as well. I grew up hating my parents, especially my mom and I dream of murdering her. Wrote in my diary in detail how I plan to murder her when I was 11 and left it on my nightstand knowing she will read it, and she did. It was so satisfying knowing it freak her out. But I never did have the guts to commit murder, although I thought about it for years. Things got better after I moved out and went low contact with my parents. They're both in their 70s now with no remorse how they treated their children. Awful people.
@Badficwriter
@Badficwriter 6 ай бұрын
I'm sorry. I realized I did not love my father when I was a teenager. It wasn't being hurt--it was the contempt outside of that. I was very religious when I was young, so in accordance with the Commandment to honor your parents, determined to remain obedient and polite til I was 18. I eventually shared my plan with my mother, who asked me to not cut my father off until my little brother also turned 18. It was difficult to tell my father I did not want further contact. I'm 55 now, a little sad about it, but we can't make people different.
@JatPhenshllem
@JatPhenshllem 6 ай бұрын
I don't see the part that mentions his parents as abusive
@julieseward1385
@julieseward1385 6 ай бұрын
I was adopted by fundamentalist speaking in tongues Pentecostal cultists who were brutal. I lived through this too. Was homeless at 15.
@martharamirez4128
@martharamirez4128 5 ай бұрын
It happened to me also . Sad . Mom is 97 years old , never apologized to us . I promise that I will never go that young my children . Never did . Love my children and grandchildren and they love grandma . Enjoy Avery minute with them .
@conclavecabal.h0rriphic
@conclavecabal.h0rriphic 5 ай бұрын
@@JatPhenshllemright? If anything dude said the mother was thought to be too lenient…some people are just born evil
@Melanie_Ferrara
@Melanie_Ferrara Жыл бұрын
Nice hearing a fellow Scot telling the tales. Sounds as though Robert grew up to be a good soul, he must have been mentally unwell as a child but evolved into a decent and contributing member of society.
@lucybirot5623
@lucybirot5623 8 ай бұрын
Very well presented, this story. Extraordinary redemption. Thank you for posting it.
@jessz3304
@jessz3304 Жыл бұрын
Between the school bombings, ammonium nitrate explosions, or throwing yourself off Niagara Falls for clout or being murdered by your young child I'm proud to say 135 years later everything- Wait. That's not quite right...
@cameltotem8074
@cameltotem8074 Жыл бұрын
The more things change, the more things stay the same.
@grannym2880
@grannym2880 Жыл бұрын
Oh dear 😄
@kathleenmckeithen118
@kathleenmckeithen118 Жыл бұрын
Wow. What a tale. The truth really is often more strange than fiction. Thank you for this video.
@trevorjennings721
@trevorjennings721 Жыл бұрын
Hello Kathleen, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the COVID-19 virus??
@jennydonnelly5573
@jennydonnelly5573 Жыл бұрын
Your research is amazing I love it keep them going
@user-yn8qi4fn4y
@user-yn8qi4fn4y 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the story
@ladyT_VR46
@ladyT_VR46 8 ай бұрын
What a cracking story teller you are!
@trevorjennings721
@trevorjennings721 8 ай бұрын
Hello Pretty, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the COVID-19 virus??
@amybugg001
@amybugg001 Жыл бұрын
What sad start to life. I like to think he adopted the child to give him the childhood he himself never had. RIP
@trevorjennings721
@trevorjennings721 Жыл бұрын
Hello Amy, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the COVID-19 virus??
@SY-ok2dq
@SY-ok2dq Жыл бұрын
I'm sure that was what motivated Robert. No doubt he strongly identified with the abused boy Harry, and saw himself, and gis younger brother, in Harry. Only this time, as an adult, he could do something about the situation. He could be the parent that he'd wished he'd had, growing up.
@sherylcrowe3255
@sherylcrowe3255 2 ай бұрын
Fascinating story. Thanks for sharing ❤
@penpad5555
@penpad5555 7 ай бұрын
New subscriber! Love the format, narration, and lesser-known content
@annaconda3083
@annaconda3083 Жыл бұрын
Great story and video as always! 👍You really should do audiobooks as you tell such gruesome tales with a soothing voice. Here’s to many more…Well I Never!
@trevorjennings721
@trevorjennings721 Жыл бұрын
Hello Anna, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the COVID-19 virus??
@annaconda3083
@annaconda3083 10 ай бұрын
@@trevorjennings721 just seen your message Trevor and as I live in the UK we were over Covid nearly two years ago. That said I did catch it when everything was back to normal! Hope you didn’t catch it and if you did it didn’t last very long. We both must be Well I Never fans… love the videos and how he tells the stories. Anna
@trevorjennings721
@trevorjennings721 10 ай бұрын
@@annaconda3083 Hey Anna, It’s really nice getting a message from you. I am so happy to know you’re safe from the virus. I am also safe from the virus too. Hope you’re having a nice and a wonderful day today??
@MrsJHarrington
@MrsJHarrington Жыл бұрын
This story really was quite an emotion stirring one. This young man murders his mother in cold blood, then goes on later in life to serve in the military and get honored for bravery, I do think he was trying to atone for what he did also by taking in the young boy and live a better life. I hope he was at peace with himself and truly meant the things he did that were good when he passed away. Thank you Paul for yet another good video.
@trevorjennings721
@trevorjennings721 Жыл бұрын
Hello Shilo, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the COVID-19 virus??
@SY-ok2dq
@SY-ok2dq Жыл бұрын
The book about this case, "The Wicked Boy" by Kate Summerscale, goes into detail about the abusive behavior of their mother. She was apparently starving them for periods of time as well as beating them. Summerscale met and talked to the by then elderly adopted son, and he only had good things to say about his adoptive father. The son, Harry, also paid for a memorial headstone for Robert's grave.
@balletshoes
@balletshoes 11 ай бұрын
@@SY-ok2dq I am interested in what evidence this Kate Summerscale gives about the boys being abused. Everybody quotes this book here. But if the only evidence is Robert's word, then I am a little suspicious of its credence as it is human nature to describe one's actions as holy natural and the other person's as complete lunacy. In other words, Robert's account alone would qualify as hearsay.
@SY-ok2dq
@SY-ok2dq 11 ай бұрын
@@balletshoes From a psychological perspective, it seems to me that Robert saw himself in the role pf protector to his brother Nattie. It ws Nattie getting the worst of the beatings and threats. I don't think it fits with what is known of Robert's actions that he simply made up the abuse stories. Robert had the opportunity to push the blamr onto the disabled man who helped them. But he didn't. Because he doesn't seem to be fundamentally a liar. He changed his story about what happened in order to protect Nattie from the consequences. I believe Nattie WAS involved and knew in advance.
@SY-ok2dq
@SY-ok2dq 11 ай бұрын
@@balletshoes The mother wrote letters to her husband and in some of them she complained that the boys "ate too much." I mean they were at an age where lots of growth is happening. Of course kids have great appetites for food. I think it wss mentioned that the boys were disciplined - maybe it was Nattie - for "stealing food" from I think, the family pantry. You can see from the photos that Robert at least, was clearly not overweight, so this "eating too much" was not because he was gluttonous and overweight from eating more than he needed. This gives credence to tje claims that the mother regularly deprived them of food and they were often hungry and driven to do things like sneak food when their mother was asleep or something. You have to then ask, what can we infer about a mother who thinks of her children as burdens, and deliberately doesn't feed them and lets them go hungry, regularly?
@karenvanwyk5307
@karenvanwyk5307 3 ай бұрын
Very interesting. I hope I come across more of your videos.
@MichelleZapata-ju1jn
@MichelleZapata-ju1jn 9 ай бұрын
Excellent video!
@ReginaRegenbogn
@ReginaRegenbogn 11 ай бұрын
"He read the Penny Dreadfuls" seems to be the equivalent of "They played killer games / watched TV / watched movies / read comics" of that time.
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