The Software Engineering Ladder Explained

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Head to squarespace.com/namanhkapur to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code NAMANHKAPUR. We all want to grow in our careers, but sometimes it's hard to understand what's expected of us at each level.
You're supposed to be already performing at the next level before you're promoted. But how do you know what that means? Today, I walk you through exactly what you're responsible for every step of the way. And it's directly connected to your impact. At the lowest levels you're impacting only specific features and projects, while as you get more senior, you start impacting the entire company and industry. Here's a closer look into the software engineering ladder.
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@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

if you got to L5 would you keep grinding or just chill?

@sneakyturtle2970 2 жыл бұрын

HELL NAH

@pravachanpatra4012 2 жыл бұрын

Keep grinding

@pravachanpatra4012 2 жыл бұрын

Can you make an video on how to get an internship for high school students?

@kryob1 2 жыл бұрын

L6+ not worth it if you want to have a RL and happy family in my opinion

@chukwuemekaazimoh 2 жыл бұрын

I will keep grinding 💪 💯

@tbcfrankee Жыл бұрын

Being at the top isn't as great as it sounds. When you no longer code and are dealing with top-level, high risk issues all the time, you start to recognize that you have very little control and things become more and more unpredictable, which leads to much higher stress levels. So instead of "you can do whatever you want," actually it's "you can't do anything." The big issue here is that you no longer have access to mentors, because there's no one above you anymore. So a lot of people at the top choose to leave and go back to basics and build their own companies from scratch, so they have more control and are able to continue growing personally, or they move horizontally and start to integrate their experience into adjacent fields.

@namanhkapur Жыл бұрын

thanks for sharing this perspective, very insightful especially since i’m still relatively junior in my career

@luvpiggery 5 ай бұрын

I would add that getting honest feedback from people also becomes more difficult based on the power dynamic that eventually creeps into the way people perceive you. It's hard to grow into a robust leader if your blind spots aren't being exposed. Culture and the people you choose to work with matters so much in this regard. My rule of thumb is, if you're the smartest person in the room, you should probably leave.

@ArvindRajan 2 жыл бұрын

YOO this was so detailed - love how you broke it down so even people outside of tech can understand it!

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

❤️

@trimbakjawle703 Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@frosty_teacup 2 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad this showed up in my recommended videos, it's so thorough and informative! Just what I needed. Thank you!

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

😊

@Anonymous-nj2ow 2 жыл бұрын

man thank you, graduating this december and feel so unprepared, but hearing more about industry is helping

@javiercuriel199 2 жыл бұрын

Don’t worry too much about it my friend, remember, everybody had to start somewhere as well.

@MeghadityaRoyChaudhury 2 жыл бұрын

Another great video. Like the correspondence between levels and the impact surfaces. Super clarifying. A very good template to look at from impact perspective instead of the compensation perspective.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

exactly, focus on impact and the rest will come naturally

@MohamedAhmed-tt2nz 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Namanh, I have been watching your videos since you began youtube.Love the content you are provide. much different then other engineer youtubers. Great work !!

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

thanks for being a day #1 supporter!

@itsoasi 2 жыл бұрын

I just landed my first job at a tech company and the welcome letter said I was L2. I had no idea what that meant, but your video made it really clear. I've taught myself a lot about software/web development, computers and technology in general since befor high-school, but somehow I never came across anything about a software engineering ladder. Thanks for this.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

so glad to hear that -- good luck with the new role!

@nomalevolence 2 жыл бұрын

This was so thorough and clear! Thanks for all the great information!

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

you're very welcome!

@HollyXu 2 жыл бұрын

needed this like 6 years ago. great video- thanks, Namanh!

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

glad you saw it now!

@NikkiDunlap Жыл бұрын

Your videos are so detailed. I love how you don’t waste time & you get straight to the point lol. You just gained another subscriber! 🔥💯

@namanhkapur Жыл бұрын

ah glad you feel that way, that’s my goal, no BS straight the point short and sweet

@jameswo4794 2 жыл бұрын

Super informative (and also motivating!) video! Thanks for being so concise, subbed and looking forward to seeing ur channel blow up even more :)

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

appreciate it!

@yandhi4202 2 жыл бұрын

youre so good at explaining and inspiring. thank you for this!

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

😊

@TheTjmclean93 2 жыл бұрын

I really needed this breakdown of the levels. We don't have a detailed layout of responsibilities at my job.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

yeah i wish there was more transparency

@darkwoodmovies 2 жыл бұрын

I feel like anything past L5 has diminishing returns. At that point, you'll level up faster if you go down the management track. Most people don't get past L6, and managers get paid a lot more for a lot less work.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

i’ve seen this happen firsthand in industry, but i’ve also seen managers manage ICs who are making more than them, so it can depend

@cptoblivious7357 Жыл бұрын

Firstly, it’s not guaranteed that managers make more than ICs. In fact, level for level, managers make about the same as ICs in most FAANG companies. Secondly, managers don’t do “less” work. They just do different work. Sitting in meetings for 10 hours a day every day of the week can also be taxing.

@King_Imani 2 жыл бұрын

This the best career path advice I have ever received 🙌🏿

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

😊

@vnpikachu4627 3 ай бұрын

Super helpful info, clear communication and explanation. Cheers.

@akinwolesamuel943 2 жыл бұрын

I literally was fixated from start to finish of this video and it was really worth it.... Very Detailed 💯

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

appreciate the support!

@arjunkaliyath6389 2 жыл бұрын

This was really what I just needed. Thanks Namanh ! I had this apprehension that every engineer had to eventually move from.an individual contribution role such as developer towards management roles as they progress.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

thanks for watching! and not at all, you can stay an IC for as long as you want 😊

@bryanamezcua4680 2 жыл бұрын

What a lovely video, I am a new sub to your channel. I am currently an SDE II trying to work my way up to III. It certainly is a grind.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

you got it!

@EmmanuelOludare 2 жыл бұрын

This was so detailed. Thanks, Namanh

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

i gotchu

@christersmith5470 2 жыл бұрын

"Years of experience" can be more rigid or flexible depending on the company and the role you are interviewing for. Apple and Microsoft tend to be more rigid. Meta and and Google are more flexible. Amazon is kind of in the middle: they can be flexible for the right person. I had 4 years when invited to interview for a manager of data science at the L6 level at Amazon, and just under 5 years when invited to interview for an MLE tech lead (E6) at Meta. For me, the biggest barrier to big tech is the algorithms and data structures interview step. The onsite I've been excited to talk about my experiences, but haven't passed the algorithms interview step yet. I studied physics, economics, and statistics in school, but I've never taken a formal computer science class before. So I get a lot of anxiety and forget half of what I studied. The onsite would cover things I've actually done rather than studied, so for me that's a lot less stressful.

@Forced2 2 жыл бұрын

What kind of things do they test in the algorithms interview?

@RetinalR6 2 жыл бұрын

Damn, even an L6 interviewee still has to worry about the algorithm questions

@christersmith5470 2 жыл бұрын

@@RetinalR6 if you are an external hire, up to L8, you have an algo test

@RetinalR6 2 жыл бұрын

@@christersmith5470 I'm a sophomore and just started my first actual internship so I had no idea. Thanks for the info!

@felixc.programs8209 2 жыл бұрын

Very informative, thanks for posting! Your content is really great and has helped shape me as a new KZfaqr and also data scientist/software engineer. Thanks!

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

😊

@nro337 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video! Great quality and info

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

😊

@admanek 2 жыл бұрын

You did great job in very short time period. I believe your Channel is going to be the best tech yt Channel very soon! Keep on going!

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

this comment made my day, thanks for being here!

@danielengel55 2 жыл бұрын

This was awesome. Thankyou for the information!

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

of course!

@naveedalirehmani4135 5 ай бұрын

Very well explained, thank you.

@mohdjibly6184 2 жыл бұрын

Wow clear explanation on the software engineer levels …thanks for sharing

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

😊

@wdmvii 2 жыл бұрын

I LOVED this video! Great job 🙂

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

😊

@kevinmitnick1301 2 жыл бұрын

Love you Namanh Bro ❤️..Keep Making More Gems 💎 like these ..

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

😊

@SYBIOTE 2 жыл бұрын

im a final year now ,im sure i will be coming back to watch this video a lot truly informative content

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

see you soon!

@humansoftech5905 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Namanh! Feels very similar to UX laddering as well.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

thanks for watching, good to know!

@tneer 9 ай бұрын

Thank you for clarifying this

@bryanapodaca8258 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video!

@shreyashthakrey606 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing info namanh, keep making informative videos like this.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

plan on it!

@amal._ 2 жыл бұрын

Your really good at teaching and making topics interesting to learn and understand

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

😊

@alin3563 2 жыл бұрын

Working as a software engineer in a 3rd world country, I knew from my friends that I'm working alot more with much less structure compared to them in big companies I just didn't know my company was giving me the responsibilities of L3 to L7 with compensations of L2 😂

@mademax1 2 жыл бұрын

same

@llDartsll 2 жыл бұрын

Same😂

@rexroy8930 Жыл бұрын

@marcusaureliusregulus2833 9 ай бұрын

I also work in a startup and forget feature level. I built the entire app from DDL to backend to web app and mobile app. Authentication, order management, multi user system, notifications, and now on e-commerce integrations. If anyone has an offer - Ahem

@EricBishard Жыл бұрын

This is a great resource, I was an L4 level at Tesla, but we didn't really use this tiered system, we were pretty much just referred to as senior. But before moving further I transitioned into a developer relations role. The one thing I have noticed is that some of my skills have atrophied but I still code, but I don't ship a lot of code. It was a logical step in my career, and I often wonder where I would be now if I would have stayed in an engineering role. But, I still make good money and work in a very technical field.

@yahyahassen9807 Жыл бұрын

Just curious what you studied in university if that's ok? And where? Thanks!

@tmdbah 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, this was more than great.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

😊

@seuntaiwo8735 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video man🔥

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

😊

@TheAcousticEngineer 2 жыл бұрын

Very well explained. Awesome content.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

appreciate the support!

@akebu6 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing and detailed explanation broken down 🙌

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

thanks for being a day #1 supporter!

@akebu6 2 жыл бұрын

@@namanhkapur it's been my pleasure. Your videos have helped me learn a lot of knowledge!

@burner_boy 2 жыл бұрын

This is an awesome video! This is really helpful 🔥

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

so glad it was helpful

@rockertechs1117 Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot bro! ❤

@FreshWillBoy302 Жыл бұрын

Good Job and presentation!

@SuperLOLABC 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing video as always! I heard about layoffs at Bolt, I hope you were not affected, it seems like an amazing place to work at. All the best in your career journey!

@gillesvanlommel5932 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing? Didn't they scam all their workers, pushing them to get loans and invest in the company to only fire them afterwards?

@SuperLOLABC 2 жыл бұрын

@@gillesvanlommel5932 ?? I just said his video was amazing. What does the video have anything to do with BOLT?

@gillesvanlommel5932 2 жыл бұрын

@@SuperLOLABC "amazing video ..... blabla Bolt, IT SEEMS LIKE AN AMAZING PLACE TO WORK AT." The video is ofcorse great, totally agree with that.

@sala8053 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the info bro

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

always!

@cggs3001 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Namanh!

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

😊

@Eltopshottah 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the advice

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

always

@ookie218 2 күн бұрын

My first role, I came in as an L4 day one... Man trial through fire

@xk1k1x 2 жыл бұрын

As a tier 2 IT tech aspiring to move into software engineering I find this pretty dang interesting

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

glad it was helpful

@cisko3000 2 жыл бұрын

Very detailed and informative. Companies do have these levels, specially the big ones. I think people shouldnt pay too much attention to them though. Just focus on learning new stuff all the time and job search every couple of years. Don't wait 3 years grinding for a company waiting for them to move you up a "level". Just go and apply to new places instead. Best way to get a pay increase. Level up your interview skills both whiteboard and verbal. Title don't mean much to me, tbh. I'm more about what they're paying me and the company culture. People like to play it safe but you get best rewarded for taking a risk here and there. Like they rather work at Amazon because "it looks good", instead of working the startup where you'll get to make more important decisions sooner. And some of these startups might even pay more because they have fresh investor money and in a bigger hurry to get talent. That's just what I've observed.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

thanks for sharing!

@l.meyers3348 2 жыл бұрын

Yep. Been subbed and this video proves I made a very wise decision.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

much love

@feelingfun5149 2 жыл бұрын

Cool explanation!

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

😊

@davidx5828 2 жыл бұрын

This video was great! If you could make a video on what is a basic/acceptable level of knowledge for people transferring over from another profession, that would be awesome. I think the learn to code thing but when are you ready to start applying 🤔.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

thanks for the suggestion! added to my list of future videos

@GretSeat 2 жыл бұрын

Great video!

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

appreciate it!

@DataProfessor 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Namanh, thanks for the great break down of all the various role levels in tech :)

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

😊

@bymunako Жыл бұрын

very motivating!

@namanhkapur Жыл бұрын

😊

@ziadmiqdadi 2 жыл бұрын

Great video.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

thanks for watching!

@chukwuemekaazimoh 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome content.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

appreciate the support!

@konga8165 2 жыл бұрын

Love this

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

😊

@suprcodr 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video! My dream is to be a software engineer.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

you got it

@rikenshah1861 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks man

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

of course!

@nishikitidke7708 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Namah, Thanks for the information but do you think after this layoff there will be more layoffs news

@CD-xn7xi 2 жыл бұрын

Elite video

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

appreciate it!

@fezekasabelo191 2 жыл бұрын

👀🙏love ur content sir....you influenced me to learn to code

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

😊

@coder-twadd Жыл бұрын

wow this was helpful

@namanhkapur Жыл бұрын

😊

@visionaryapril_art 2 жыл бұрын

Very good content

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

😊

@ryanmckenna2047 2 жыл бұрын

That was a really great video! Please could you list your sources for the information. I would also be interested to hear your take on how Startup founders factor into the leveling system. For example if someone Started their own tech company and had some success but then returned to employment, would that shortcut them several levels, would they be seen as at least L5 or is it not that big a deal? I think I am L4 at the moment as well although I am in the UK so it doesn't translate perfectly.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

a lot of this was from personal experience and after talking with lots of people in higher levels than me - as a founder if your company gets acquired, you’re usually fast tracked to higher levels as part of the acquisition negotiations, but otherwise usually it’ll be based on interview performance and years of experience

@TechXSoftware 5 ай бұрын

I’m a L5, Senior Dev. I have been wondering where I’d go next. I think maybe management, as that would scale better career wise. However, dealing with ppl sucks lol

@PascaVlogs 2 жыл бұрын

Whats up with Bolt firing 30% of its workforce? Did you make the cut?

@universecode1101 2 жыл бұрын

IMPROVE YOUR SELF 😊 its' difficult but your career can be great

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

it can indeed

@stranger302 2 жыл бұрын

Bro I'm learning full stack web development from Masai School. Is it possible to go foreign to do job through with that skill?

@sneigee 2 жыл бұрын

That awesome and we have a lot to go there. God help us

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

you got this!

@rabi3ismail909 2 жыл бұрын

It is very long journey... ✨💫

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

long and fulfilling

@250miles2 2 жыл бұрын

As I'm listening to this, I'm slowly realizing how unclear my current path is, and how there's an expectation for me to grow, but no clear direction. The company is just like, "grow"... And, it's interesting that they want you to reach senior level status in 2-3 years. Anyone else experiencing this?

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

hopefully this helped you through some examples, i'd say companies usually expect you to grow from newgrad to senior in about 5 years (fastest i've seen is 3 years but that's not the norm)

@SY27196 2 жыл бұрын

Great video But I always find algorithms difficult to follow due to math involved Data structures in any language like python are relatively easy to learn What is your advice on this ?

@Sora_Nai 2 жыл бұрын

Learn the math

@backendninja8333 8 ай бұрын

Sharpening in L4, Path to L5

@harneetsingh8957 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Namanh, how’s Bolt handling the Layoff ? Do you see yourself leaving ?

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

i think the layoff was inevitable to extend our runway, I still believe in our potential so I'm here for now -- hopefully no more layoffs 🤞

@yajurofficial Ай бұрын

I will defiantly become L9 one day!!

@namanhkapur Ай бұрын

indeed

@SiegelBantuBear 2 ай бұрын

Mmm...Clear.🙏🏽

@marcusaureliusregulus2833 9 ай бұрын

I am a fresher working in a startup for about 10 months now, and forget feature level. I built the entire application from DDL to backend to web app and mobile app. Authentication, order management, multi user system, notifications, and now on e-commerce integrations. If anyone has an offer - Ahem

@johnsartain4160 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a software engineer and this is the first time I'm hearing about any of this.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

what’d you think?

@johnsartain4160 2 жыл бұрын

@@namanhkapur seems reasonable

@jay_kumar2510 2 жыл бұрын

Helpfull

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

glad to hear

@StrongestNerd 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! Is there a similar structure in Cybersecurity? Also, I look forward to the management side of it.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

i think is generalizable to most tech roles - and coming soon!

@StrongestNerd 2 жыл бұрын

@@namanhkapur Thanks for the response, appreciate it!

@ploewie2471 2 жыл бұрын

Can you explain the difference for Computer Science and Software engineering. I specifically want to know which one is better for software development. Just a comment will help, thanks.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

software engineering and software development are the same -- they are both an application of computer science

@Soaring333 Жыл бұрын

Take a look at the classes for each major and that will give you a good idea of the differences at whatever school you are considering.

@johnpinheiro6211 Жыл бұрын

estas a falar de 7 a 10 anos do principio ate ao fim !!!! Caminho mais curto?

@Tech_Brains_ 2 жыл бұрын

We need more videos

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

every week!

@hamsterbrigade 9 ай бұрын

I'm firmly of the believe that levels are to control wages.

@misslavender7 Жыл бұрын

Hi. Thanks for all your informative videos. They are amazing. I'm looking to change my career and want to get in to Programming and be a software developer. I've downloaded many apps to start learning Python on my own and learning also through KZfaq videos and other online material. However, I also want to do an online course to have a formal education and get a certificate. I'm having a difficult time finding a legitimate online school. Could you recommend anyone? Would an online course be enough education wise and also to get me a job? Thanks :)

@drnjksn 2 жыл бұрын

Shit, if being a good human being as a poc in this industry means I have to conform in order to fit in I’ll pass on the company or job completely bc that in itself is exhausting

@saurabhkacholiya 2 жыл бұрын

What habit to cultivate to become a better engineer or good at software developer job like frontend. What path to follow or mind set to cultivate?

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

great questions and thanks for the potential video idea, let me think and create a video

@saurabhkacholiya 2 жыл бұрын

@@namanhkapur sure would love to watch the video.

@sergiojimenez3445 2 жыл бұрын

Be organized

@siddharthtanwar1529 Жыл бұрын

This video kind of scared me. There are god level experts with humongous amounts of knowledge that I don't even know where I will find? I am currently L0.

@RedspartHD 2 жыл бұрын

Randomly popped into my feed. Great video but I don't necessarily agree with all the points you make here. When you hit Sr. Engineer level, you have two paths that that help define what you want to do: management or technical. I.e, more people management (think manager/team lead) or technical decision making (architect, principal). I am not saying they're always black and white as you will mix at times but the responsibilities are very different. I have 6 years of experience (multiple jobs in parallel) and have done both. It does take different personalities to perform at a high level in those roles. Personally I enjoy the Architect/Principal path.

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

thanks for sharing your perspective! i def missed some things since i myself am not that senior yet

@TheRiquelmeONE 2 жыл бұрын

i might be weird but i feel like once i reach L4 (just started as L3) i would be completely satisfied and would rather focus on things outside of my job instead of trying to further my career. I hope my company won't mind :/

@namanhkapur 2 жыл бұрын

totally makes sense, i mean i’m an L4 and i love my KZfaq channel so checks out