The solo-forms of Bolognese swordsmanship from Giovanni dall'Agocchie and Achille Marozzo

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10 жыл бұрын

The two forms of Giovanni dall'Agocchie and the Abbattimento di Spada Sola from Achille Marozzo. The forms are first shown and then broken down, with instructions on footwork, attacks and defenses and the guard positions used.

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@_Jay_Maker_ 9 ай бұрын

This tutorial was extremely easy to understand. Thanks so much for your effort and hard work!

@MrNguyentamphu1987 8 жыл бұрын

I Love this way . You are a master . Thank you so much !

@user-yt8jk5oc8p 10 жыл бұрын

I am a learner of longsword and sword&buckler,and I want to learn rapier for a long time. Thank you for your sharing.It's very helpful.

@luclatinette 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this illustrative, well-paced, and well labeled tutorial. This was instrumental to me figuring out and remembering walking in the guards

@tao123chi 7 жыл бұрын

this is awsome. thank you so much for posting this.

@AdelaideSwordAcademy 10 жыл бұрын

beautiful work as usual Ilkka

@Blastomagnifico 7 жыл бұрын

Excellent videos. Thanks!

@juanpablogonzalez8528 8 жыл бұрын

thank you very much for this, it was worth every second

@ilkkaouto 8 жыл бұрын

+Juan Pablo Gonzalez You're welcome!

@NickRossi 4 жыл бұрын

Wow, glad I found your channel!

@davegallo7172 10 жыл бұрын

Wonderful as usual! See you at Florentia! Dave from La Sala delle Armi

@chrismiller1104 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic! I want to learn Bolognese alongside rapier.

@lunarfusilier1 9 жыл бұрын

Really great video - what I really like about this is the balance of visual instruction and verbal explanation. It's really very well done. It'll take me hours to work through it - thanks in advance for all the fun!

@ilkkaouto 9 жыл бұрын

I am happy that you like it. Let me know if you have any questions.

@neohenry8292 9 жыл бұрын

Ilkka Hartikainen I'm curious: it is possible to apply the longsword to Giovanni dall'Agocchie's forms?

@ilkkaouto 9 жыл бұрын

You could, yes, but that is not suggested by the original author. But physically there is nothing in this form that would need to be changed if done with longsword.

@GrapeNephi 7 жыл бұрын

Your interpretation of the movements match mine. Also, I've started translating portions of Anonimo. It is interesting.

@bladetasticknives5712 7 ай бұрын

I would love to study with you, excellent instruction my brother 👍🏻👍🏻

@1guitarlover 4 ай бұрын

Felicidades. Hermosa técnica

@TSBrumwell 5 ай бұрын

(**** 4 stars) A darker background would definitely help us see faster movements. Also, occasionally the movement is almost off-screen on the right. Otherwise ... WELL DONE!!

@samthebagpiper 7 ай бұрын

Earing the italian words well pronounced is icing on the cake

@arpioisme 8 жыл бұрын

may i make a subtitle for this? in indonesian language

@NicSupreme 7 жыл бұрын

i was going to ask what the "twirling" over your head is good for. is that the redoppio mentioned down in the comments?

@NorthernForge 4 жыл бұрын

Wonderful form and an excellent video! Thank you. May I ask what make your sword is?

@silviaflores1693 7 жыл бұрын

So far i enjoy the videos. I am a dancer and did southern dragon mok gar kung fu. This works with how I move.

@ilkkaouto 7 жыл бұрын

Silvia Flores I am happy you like them. I find both the practicality and the aesthetic quality important in recreating old sword arts. Details of movement are essential to both.

@ilkkaouto 7 жыл бұрын

Silvia Flores I am happy you like them. I find both the practicality and the aesthetic quality important in recreating old sword arts. Details of movement are essential to both.

@Valscorn01 6 жыл бұрын

Ilkka may i ask where you get your steel sideswords from? I really like the look of the ones in the background.

@timothyedward6147 7 жыл бұрын

are there any bolognese longsword? and are you going to make a video about it? or could i just use the sidesword teqnique?

@Dwilson1282 10 жыл бұрын

This is really good stuff, Ikka. Can you tell me what kind of shoes you're wearing in the video? I'm still looking for comfortable fencing footwear. Mostly I fence barefoot but that gets my toes stepped on even in just drills.

@ilkkaouto 10 жыл бұрын

Thanks! The shoes are Adidas Gazelle I think.

@kralik394 Жыл бұрын

Having a bit of trouble with the tramazzoni. Do they all rotate in the direction of "miniature" falsi/roversi? Or dritti/mandritti? Or does it not matter and I should practice both?

@Rikitocker 10 жыл бұрын

Ilkka, I am very interested (most are not) in St Didier and knowing that Dall'Agocchie and Didier were contemporaries having their works published only 1 year apart, I have wondered if you had noted any similarities between Dall'Agocchie and Sainct Dider. Given that we know Didier spent much time in Italy during the Piedmont Wars as a soldier of the French occupation in that region, it has always been assumed that St Didier had a very large Italian influence in his single sword system. I have the published work on St Didier and it appears to me that St Didier represents a Side Sword/Transitional Rapier school of fence. I have thought about making a serious study of Dall'Agocchie to see if one can help further define or unlock the other a little more. Any thoughts appreciated and great work as always - you're a class act!

@ilkkaouto 10 жыл бұрын

Hi! Unfortunately I am not very familiar with St Didier, but there well might be parallels. Dall'Agocchie is the most generic and least eccentric of the Bolognese sources in a way, so his work is good for cross referencing. I wish I could help more at this point -- but if you have any specific questions or ideas I am interested.

@MrDaddikins 9 жыл бұрын

How do you decide what length blade to get for a sidesword? Darkwood lists 34, 36 and 38 in versions. I am beginning to learn the Bolognese School, but as always the learning curve is somewhat steep.

@willnonya9438 8 жыл бұрын

+MrDaddikins A bit late of a reply, but I would find one that matches your natural stride. That is start off in what ever stance, make a passing step and measure how far your foot moved.

@MrDaddikins 8 жыл бұрын

So it is stride plus what? Or just stride length? As I said I am just learning the system right now.

@willnonya9438 8 жыл бұрын

MrDaddikins Just your stride for the blade length, it should feel like a more or less natural step. Then the handle is extra. I would look up the Giovanni Dall'Agocchie FB page. The folks there can probably give you better advice on side swords than I can.

@willnonya9438 8 жыл бұрын

facebook.com/groups/647917211940961/

@HipposHateWater 4 жыл бұрын

Will nonya Just to clarify: you're referring to the distance one foot begins and ends (from where the right foot lifted from and where it contacted ground again) as opposed to the distance between the planted left and right foot (like when pacing something out), correct?

@daeglan 2 жыл бұрын

I signed up but have not been able to log on...it says an email will be sent but I have t gotten one.

@elrohirthehasty 3 жыл бұрын

Ilkka, who made your schivona?

@jameshilford6108 3 ай бұрын

What book/text do you secondyou recommend for a beginner to learn this style?

@TreyYork1 10 ай бұрын

Are you Finnish? Your name sounds like it, you really look a lot like my wife's cousins in Helsinki, but your accent is all over the place! Sometimes it reminds me of the accents of my Finnish family, at least with certain sounds. Whether you are or not, your accent sounds very worldly and sophisticated to my ear at least, so please know I mean no offense. That said, I really enjoy your content here! I hope that you are still training and coaching wherever you are!

@Prospro8 9 жыл бұрын

PS ... I should have said that you use the ridoppio to get to the unicorn from which you make the thrust. I suppose I'm asking how to get from pdf streta to l'alicorne. Also, you make it look quite easy and elegant, but how does the imbrocatta get to cinghiale? I thought imbrocatta thrusts were pronated and it seems an imbro doesn't take you exactly TO cinghiale, you need a second movement. Maybe I just make things complicated! The choreography notations were probably approximate anyhow.

@Prospro8 9 жыл бұрын

Prospro8 I've just worked out that the manual produced by 'Seven Hearts' site states a riverso ascendente where you perform the ridoppio in the 'Walking in the guards'. That's where I was foxed!

@Yakzur 10 жыл бұрын

What was the Italian translation for dall'Agocchie's first form?

@ilkkaouto 10 жыл бұрын

The name in Italian? Passeggiata nelle guardie, "walking in the guards".

@bryancole1886 4 жыл бұрын

Where is the source text to be found for Dall Agocchie's second form? (I mean, the page number where the second form is described. I have copied of the translation)

@bryancole1886 4 жыл бұрын

I found it. Page 22 of DAs 1572 book.

@adrianjones8547 4 жыл бұрын

Is this the 2018 Swanger translation? I'm a little lost in the book.

@bryancole1886 4 жыл бұрын

@@adrianjones8547 I'm using this one: celyn.drizzlehosting.com/jherek/ENGDALLAG.pdf By page 22, I mean "22recto" and it's a couple paragraphs below this (22verso).

@adrianjones8547 4 жыл бұрын

@@bryancole1886 Thanks for the help! Looks like the same translation just a different version. Found 22v on page 27 of the version I got off Lulu.

@Prospro8 9 жыл бұрын

I've been following your vids for a while now, and I like what you're doing: it takes HEMA out of the macho and into an artform of grace and precision. I've a daft question: Y'see the point in Dall' Agocchie's passage where a thrust or imbrocatta is made? Some translations (I'm no expert) suggest a falso manco or ascendente punto to get there, and you use a ridoppio which I take to be true-edge. What's the story behind this, and does it matter much? Also I've noticed in some of your earlier vids that you approach this exercise like a slow procession, whilst here, you really go for the lunges in a more combative style. I suppose it's right to practice both ways?

@FerraraFacundo Жыл бұрын

Admittedly this is a 7 year old comment. But to whoever finds this, have no doubt that Dall Aggochie clearly states: "...volgerete un riverso ridoppio..."

@sparrowhawk81 9 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry if you've had to answer this a lot, but where did you get those nice practice side-swords with the double finger-rings?

@ilkkaouto 9 жыл бұрын

All the sideswords I use at the moment come from either Peter Regenyei or Darkwood Armory.

@olympiaoshiadahail9216 8 жыл бұрын

How significant is the importance of the grip to these techniques? I recently obtained an Albion Gaddhjalt blade. And because of how scarce actual texts from that period (10th-11th century) I'm trying to find something that is "similar enough" to be a helpful aid in my learning how to use the sword. One member of the HEMA alliance pointed me here, but obviously the grip used on the Gaddhjalt is very different from the one shown in this video. There is no finger ring.

@newschoololdschool 8 жыл бұрын

Don't know if you're still interested, but I'd take a look at some of the messer material in Tallhoffer, Lekuchner, etc.

@Ranziel1 7 жыл бұрын

Viking swords are quite different from later period arming swords because their grip is so short and tight. There are some theories on why is that the case and how this sword is supposed to be used. Some think that a sword like that is supposed to be swung by simply casting it forward without turning the hips, using just the momentum and the weight of the sword to cut. Since swords like these were supposed to be used with a shield, such tecnique allows you to keep yourself covered while striking a bit better. You can find "viking cast blow" videos here on YT that will demonstrate it.

@olympiaoshiadahail9216 7 жыл бұрын

Ranziel1 the gaddhjalt that I have is from later in the viking era, and actually doesn't have that quirk of grip. it's transitional, between viking and arming sword in style

@firekeeper3421 9 жыл бұрын

Is there a transcript of this play anywhere? I'm trying to help my wife learn it but I don't do single handed myself. Need a walkthrough I can read. Great video though thanks.

@ilkkaouto 9 жыл бұрын

docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoJ09I5tCk0bcEI2eDlFWWtxU011OEJIWW80QnVGSWc&usp=sharing#gid=0 For Marozzo's abbattimento unfortunately there is no transcript -- it is still too much work in progress.

@volarion 9 жыл бұрын

Ilkka Hartikainen thanks! :)

@TheArcadianKing 9 жыл бұрын

Are these forms doable with and older styled arming sword, or would a slightly more slender blade such as the one seen here be better suited?

@burt2800 9 жыл бұрын

TheArcadianKing I suppose you could use an arming sword for this, it being heavier and differently balanced might even improve your strength and thus speed when using a sidesword like in the video. Just be careful to move correctly and not adapt the movements to the weight of the sword. The problem I see would be when these techniques with an arming sword for an actual fight since the more protective guard of the sidesword allows the sword to be held more in front of you. Medieval sources have the sword further back to protect the sword hand.

@ilkkaouto 9 жыл бұрын

sidesword is brst but certainly this is doable with an arming sword as well. But you need to be able to finger the crossguard, otherwise the blade is too wide.

@TheArcadianKing 9 жыл бұрын

Henry Cookson Ilkka Hartikainen Yeah, those are some of the things that came up in my research as well. Thanks for the response!

@BIMMERK12S 10 жыл бұрын

What gloves are you using?

@ilkkaouto 10 жыл бұрын

A Leon Paul coaches glove with custom reinforcement for the index finger to protect against abrasion against the crossguard.

@BIMMERK12S 10 жыл бұрын

Sweet! Thanks!

@anthropomorphousdodecahedr6504 10 жыл бұрын

Sorry for a stupid question, but is the sword you are using considered a rapier, or a sidesword? Or maybe something else? Thanks in advance.

@ilkkaouto 10 жыл бұрын

A sidesword, though even that is a name from modern times. For the Italians then, it was simply a sword (spada).

@anthropomorphousdodecahedr6504 10 жыл бұрын

Ilkka Hartikainen Thanks! Yes, It seems to me that people in the old days weren't big fans of classifications :D

@davidjkelly1971 4 жыл бұрын

Where can I buy a side sword ? No clubs in my country

@williamcoachg3228 Жыл бұрын

Bro U should put a online training program together!

@DarthTwilight 9 жыл бұрын

It's strange trying to get used to this when you're used to Japanese sword techniques.

@ilkkaouto 9 жыл бұрын

DarthTwilight I can believe that, but if you have the time to write it'd be nice to hear what your observations are.

@juanpablogonzalez8528 8 жыл бұрын

+DarthTwilight i want to second Ikka's comment mate, it would be very interesting

@7dayspking 7 жыл бұрын

+TheMidnightillusion I think your entire comment demonstrates an outright misunderstanding of western swordsmanship as well as a grave generalization. Many manuscripts themselves involve the use of the free hand, not all sword systems use a side on stance (these tend to be later.) and your comment about magical extensions leads me to believe you're learning Chinese dance bullshit. I still respect what you're doing and probably your superior experience in whatever that may be but I'm not sure the relevance to combat oriented swordsmanship.

@gordonwallis7275 5 жыл бұрын

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@S.A.M.S.2017 2 жыл бұрын

Th reverse is also true. I tried my hand at learning Katori Shinto Ryu and that was definitely strange to me versus single hand military saber that I practice.

@jimlo632 4 жыл бұрын

Did the website shut down for good ?

@ilkkaouto 4 жыл бұрын

Nope. Did you read the message? :)

@ilkkaouto 4 жыл бұрын

...or did you interpret "a few days" as "for good"? :D No, really it is closed only temporarily, there are backend chores that I need to do, and with the current resources zero-downtime was not really possible.

@jimlo632 4 жыл бұрын

For a week it told me there was no website. Then later on it told me it was down for maintenance. It only recently said down for maintenance. Originally it didnt say anything it was closed. Said the website server didnt exist.

@jimlo632 4 жыл бұрын

I suppose you already have my money so there is no reason for you to not be rude on your comments.

@ilkkaouto 4 жыл бұрын

@@jimlo632 Probably a cache issue then :) No intention to be rude, hence the emoticon. Really sorry to keep you waiting, we will have the site back up shortly. But if you wish to have a refund meanwhile you can always send a message at info@marozzo.com and we can sort it out.