Dude started 4 days ago and is making peak content already

I would suspect Tails losing your rings was a consequence of copying the code for Sonic, never an intentional feature.

16:20 "Bad" ending Agreed entirely. It makes Shadows death scene in SA2 hit so much harder too. Great vudeo essay BTW

This man is the new cybershell

The Aug. 21st build is my favorite prototype honestly. It's so close to the spanish promotional video I used to watch being like "Where's more of those lost builds?" That to me is a gem. I lost it when that was found. It's a slightly more playable Wai prototype haha!

The Track 10 (hidden Palace) haunted my childhood and years playing the game trying to find where that song was in the main game

This video is actually one of the most accurate I've seen in regards to Sonic 2's full development and very in depth, great stuff

Just hearing you talk about how the levels are designed gave me an idea. You could take away the acts and just have levels. That way you could transition from green hill zone to the woods, bridge zone whatever you like. Then you would actually feel like you are travelling around the map world more. But I know how much people like acts. Probably why I love DKC and Mario World for their maps and how you progress.

Can't believe we now know how the Winter level would've look

Sonic 1 released a week before my younger sister was born so I can confirm that is close to the actual release date. My older cousin nabbed a copy immediately and gave it to me later on. :)

I am POSITIVE you will get more recognition. You are very underrated.

Imagine a day we could have the ultimate Sonic 2 based on the original concepts with all the planned levels and story.

I appreciate that you’re recording on original hardware. Ngl the retro aesthetic looks pretty cool. It’s something you don’t see everyday lol

25:26 it could be that Dust Hill's level slot was used for mystic cave in the final game, there's also the possiblity of there being 2 desert levels initially in the game, i like to think that Dust Hill was that one level from the image and that Sand Shower became aquatic ruins (because the name makes it sound like it would mix a desert level with water)

This feels like a video from a seasoned KZfaqr, not a sub 1000 KZfaqr

18:30 Game Theory: Some of the original stages from S2 8B were probably intended to be in S2's South Island time travel plot

U deserve my sub, talking 1 hour about the sonic 2 prototype is tough. Having music on top and background graphics and on context images must be painful...

Man, i know your channel is new and all but you feel like a channel whodeserves way more subs than you currently have. Your content is good. Hope more people recognise ur talent sooner than later

You mentioning Archives made me do a double take. I actually know the guys working on that hack, and helped with some code for the (currently WIP) special stage. Great people, especially great artists, don’t know when you should expect new public builds but I know you guys will like what they’re cooking Don’t have much to say about the video itself, without just basically repeating it anyway

Oh my god…. A new creator, he does sonic things, he’s amazing, he deserves more subs, and he uses music from the ova? I think your gonna go real far in life. Keep it up!

Tails losing rings makes sense when you consider he loses rings when he's hit in the special stages AND he's controlled by player 2, who is able to collect his own rings in those special stages and loses them when hit. The ring count is still combined, but they each had their own. I wonder if the final version would have had it the same way in the regular zones too?

I live in Russia and I had a cartridge in my childhood with some of Sonic 2 prototype. If only I knew it was rare thing :(

excuse me…596 SUBS?! HOW?! YOU ARE SO GREAT! NEW FAVORITE KZfaqR BESIDES PIKKAI!

I still hope that someone talented creates an entire fan game about it, like Sonic 2 was planned. Still with the Sonic 2 Levels inside. This would be such a big and nice 2D Sonic game.

honestly I didn't expected a one hour video about sonic 2 the next day after I've subscribed to you it's like the content gods making sure I have enough content so i don't get bored

Sonic CD really is like a mix of Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 but exists as it's own thing.

I'm really digging these prototype sonic vids, man!

You have brilliant knowledge on the original narrative of the Mega Drive era with the islands and their respective lore. Also I wonder if Hill Top and Hidden Palace's dinosaur themed badniks are remnants of the time travel idea

How on earth do you just have 2K, I would legit see some content like this from somebody who’s been around 4-7 years Keep going dude

16:35 Again with the FAX. The Half Pipe Stages were such a hassle to deal with (even if future ports allowed you to see the rings better). Idk why many Classic Sonic games had to reuse this idea multiple times (although to Sonic 2’s credit they did give you many chances).

I love the Sonic the Sludgehog drawing so much.

Dust Hill Zone might be a mine cave from the old west and take place after the Sand Shower Zone. The transition works from level to level that way. Eh just a theory. It'd make for a cool hack.

Its amazing how the algorithm has pucked your channel up! The community needs more people who have their favts straight and deliver in debth content! Congratulations on 1k!

Reiko Kodama passed away not too long ago too. She worked on a lot of good Sega games.

Ngl I really like Casino Night's original colors and layout.

Genocide City might have been like a bad future type of zone. Like a zone where Robotnik takes over and destroys everything with his robots.

When loading zone ID 03, presumed to belong to Sand Shower Zone because of the world map art, in the "Simon Wai" prototype, the theme for Oil Ocean Zone plays. Multiple prototypes use the Casino Night Zone (2P VS) music for Oil Ocean instead. I assume Brenda Ross didn't know the name of the desert zone, so she thought it was called Dust Hill Zone because, prior to 2017, that was seen as fact; Craig Stitt designed Hidden Palace as a cave not knowing it was supposed to be a palace. The others might have misremembered, presumably also prior to 2017 when the map art wasn't revealed. The Dust Hill name being used for Mystic Cave can't be because of it replacing the desert zone, because they have different IDs. One of Aquatic Ruin Zone's early names is Neo Green Hill Zone, showing it was probably intended for the future time period if it was concieved when the time travel plot was still planned. It replaced the second act of Cyber City Zone, which made it appear as if it were to come between Cyber City and Death Egg in prototypes. Aquatic Ruin's theme probably always belonged to Aquatic Ruin. The supposed "The Good, The Bad, The Ugly" riff might actually be the Tarzan scream. It definitely wasn't for Sand Shower Zone. Rock World Zone is definitely the winter zone. It's a direct counterpart to Sand Shower Zone, which appears in the same location as Rock World. The ID that is supposed to belong to Rock World Zone even plays the Sky Chase music. 'Medieval Time' is a mistranslation of the past/ancient time period.

Thank you for making this so long it’s amazingly detailed

The second i saw this video, i knew i needed to watch it 😂 you're already becoming my favorite creator

i guess that Dust Hill is just a dryed out Green Hill

This is some good stuff my man, always appreciate some high quality sonic history videos

Bros cheating the KZfaq algorithm and I couldn’t be happier

for the sand and winter zones, seeing as one is a recolour of another, I'd imagine they'd have similar music too.

In fact, that image of the Sand Shower Zone would be one of the first photos of the first prototype of Sonic The Hedgehog 2, I believe it was an early prototype, where I would use an initial Tails sprite, where he would be brown, and Sonic's sprite would be from S1 but with different colors.

Amazing video, my only suggestion is maybe lowering the music a bit more. It's very close to the volume of your voice which makes it a bit harder to focus.

lmage how crazy the sonic canon will be if Boomer the Turtle was picked over tails

Hey, i came for your Sonic retro post.. Good content man, greetings from Argentina !

35:02 Take it back.

I always wondered why they never added little parachutes to the Flickies in Sky Chase Zone. Would of been so cute.

That Night Club song sounds more like it belongs in Aladdin on Sega Genesis rather than Sonic 2.

wood zone should've had badniks made out of actual wood

Making my place before this absolutely blows up lol

I’ve been waiting so long for a video like this.

Nice vid, the topic needed someone to go thru all the early versions, like you did here. :) Although it still seems that the 2 most-important ones are: the Nick Arcade prototype, and the Simon Wai prototype. The later ones are just filling in the last details of the final version. Which is basically the impression I got, some years ago, when I was first looking at the topic, it's mainly those 2 that are worth playing. (There's also several great hacks that fill-out the lost stages, I was going to make a vid about that someday, haha.)

peak content as expected🔥🔥

Great videos dude! I just stumbled across your content tonight. Really informative and fun narration! I'm now subbed to your channel. :) By the way-- did you hear that actual raw Sand Shower graphics were found on one of Tom Payne's development disks? It was discovered literally yesterday!

Awesome video! I really like long content

underrated channel tbh

I just found this video and realized how underrated you are.

25:43 😭☠️☠️

Great video! Very informative and well researched. You got yourself a sub! :)

I hate the prototype version of metropolis zone so glad it was fixed 😮

Peak content

No hold tf up did you just casually drop that the guy who designed Segapede also designed Spyro? That is insane.

Good video 👍

born 2024 welcome back cybershell

This was SO GOOD. A little jab at nostalgia critic there was funny I didn't see it coming. Looking forward to whats coming up. See you next game

Bro this video is peak content🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️ Keep up the good work bro

Good Video!

Keep up the great work newcomer!

24:24 to 24:31 GREAT

Good video! Didn't know about some stuff here. Also, Saiyan in Japanese is Saiyajin.

cool vids dude!!!! :)

33:11 WAIT YOU CAN JUMP MID SPIN DASH?! 😳

25:39 why’d you build a fat benis?

15:50 Super Sayajin.

your music choices for this video were great! really liked the beat remixes. where did you find them? id like to listen to them some more

I’ve heard from a KZfaqr once that possibly Wood Zone, Dust Hill Zone, Hidden Palace, and Genocide City Zone could have more complete versions in a undiscovered beta build between Nick Arcade and Simon Wai. Just have to wait and see if a build like that ever does get leaked ✌️

nice video

Medieval Time is a bad translation of Ancient Time and there is no Bad Future, only Future Time

57:59 this is the 1st time they met so maybe Tails didn’t get the oversized shoes and gloves until later. I also like the origins version a bit more because we actually get to see Tails’s bullies and Sonic helping Tails by stopping them.

AOSTH and SatAM are great opposites and should both be appreciated. :)

Pardon the double post but one theory about the music i have; The music used for Aquatic ruins could have originally been used for Sand Showers zone. very subtle we can hear a 5-note leitmotif popularly used and parodied in Western (as in cowboys) media. Aquatic ruins theme; kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d-CfdZmJvdTJkWQ.html The Good, the Bad and The Ugly leitmotif; kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nqh0adZhx6uYZYk.html However, as someone in the comments under the AR deconstruction video mentioned it could have been the Tarzan Scream mentioined. Considering AR is based in a jungle-y type of place and Tarzan did take place in a jungle too this could have also been the case. However i personally thingk its more a reference to the The Good, The Bad and the Ugly considering how popular that song became, topping no.4 on the billboards at some point in time aswell as how heavily referenced that leitmotif in western (cowboys etc) media before the release of sonic 2. The tarzan scream is ONLY known as the Tarzan scream. TGtBatU leitmotife is known known as THE western/cowboy leitmotif, or hell even referenced in areas that look like it could be the backdrop of a western cowboy film. Sand Showers looks like that with the Cacti, the rock formations in the background that resemble that of MONUMENT VALLEY Monument Valley- a location seen often in western cowboy films/media.

48:20 Oil Ocean’s music was the track intended for Sand Shower Zone

How dare you not liking poor little Sonic Origins! You should be ashamed yourself for not liking Sonic Origins!

45:28 why doesn’t tails have yellow arms

Tails sharing the same bank account with Sonic wasn't a good idea and which doesn't make sense for them to take a long time to remove it. Actually Tails sharing the bank account despite just meeting Sonic was already a weird thing

25:23-25:57 What is bro doing...

24:30: That’s not a Nazi symbol. It’s the original Buddhist symbol, the Nazi symbol is the backwards version. Which makes sense actually. The Buddhist symbol shows a Z like Zen. :)

25:45 wth

Hey! This video was amazing! But I was wondering if you can do something like this for Sonic 3 (& Knuckles)?

I’ve heard that the 2 player Mystic cave music was actually supposed to be the music used for Dust Hill/Sand Shower zone once :v Don’t have any evidence to support this idea but just a single KZfaq video called “Dust Hill Act 1 music” which is literally just the 2 player Mythic Cave music. Though honestly the soundtrack does kinda have that outlandish Desert vibe to it

Are there timestamps for the music names in the video I just watched this whole thing and did not realize I needed to look out for those, did not look at the desc till it was over

The "chinese" neocities site was actually a taiwanese one since the chinese were banned from using the internet.

What’s the music at 20:00 ?

1:01:27- 1:01:37 Wow! 😂 #waltdisney

25:45 Least immature debug mode user

This video is so peak

you did not include a link to the sonic 2 mod, can you add it please?

6:15 Ummm actually they use the european releases 🤓🤓🤓