The Split Second Decision That Sank A Jet

The Split Second Decision That Sank A Jet | Trans Air Flight 810

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11 ай бұрын

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This is the story of trans air flight 810. Now if youve been watching this channel for a while then you probably know about the trans air flight 810, its the 737-200 that went down off of the coast of hawaii now we finally know what happened on that fateful flight. Let me walk you through what happened. On the second of july 2021, an old Boeing 737-200 was to fly from honolulu to Kahului airport. Once the crew got in the plane they got down to the nitty gritty for the flight. They talked about the weather, the performance imitations of the plane, and he talked to the cargo load manager about how the plane was loaded up. They got the balance sheets for the airplane and the pilots got what they needed to set out. But not before a walk around the plane. Thats when the first officer found some dried hydraulic on the right main landing gear. This was weird and cause for concern thats when they brought out a mechanic. They checked the hydraulic fluid reservoir and it was full. So they decided that the dried fluid was not a concern and that the flight could go on as planned. The pilots started both engines and then seeing that both engines were in the green. With the instruments checking out the pilots took the plane to runway 8R, once on the runway the first officer brought the engines up to an EPR value of 1.4 and then asked the captain to set the thrust for takeoff, he then did pushing the engines all the way upto an EPR value of 2.01, which was the takeoff thrust for this takeoff. Then the tower cleared them for takeoff, the first officer who was the one in control of the plane acknowledged and then the plane was off. As the plane barreled down the runway, the captain noticed that the temprature of the gases exiting the engines were right on the border of the green and yellow bands meaning taht they were in the green but by the smallest of margins. To the captain this looked good and he said engines stable, the first officer pushed on with the takeoff. Soon they went past their V1 speed and then the V2 speed and before long The ancient 737 picked up speed down the runway and then took off into the dark night of Hawaii for the short hop. They stayed on the runway heading of 080 degrees for a bit. Then just seconds after takeoff a thud was heard both pilots knew exactly what had happened they had lost an engine. The right hand engine seemed to be the one in trouble. This was bad they were only 390 feet off of the water and they needed to gain altitude fast. As they watched the power generated by the right hand engine dropped, the EPR for the right hand engine went from 2.01 to about 1.43. This obviously caused a lot of concern for the pilots. The pilots fought to level the plane as one of their engines gave out and they did a good job of that,but there was still the matter of getting this plane back to the runway. As the captain retract the flaps he noticed that the power on the left hand engine reduced just a bit. Their biggest aim right now was to get the stricken 737 to a safe altitude. They were at 1200 feet and they needed to get to 2000 feet and maintain that. Somehow they coaxed the wounded jet upto an altitude of 2107 feet. But then the unthinkable happened the power on engine number one, the left hand engine started to fail the power fell from 1.91 to 1.83, 1.53, and 1.23 over the span of one minute and 17 seconds. While all of this was unfolding the pilots and the controller were having a bit of confusion the captain said ““we’ve lost an engine…we are on a two twenty heading…maintaining two thousand [ft]…declaring emergency.”After this transmission, the CVR recorded the controller stating, “say again heading two four zero.” but this second transmission was for another plane in the vicinity. But the controller immediately cleared flight 810 for a straight in approach to runway 4R but the pilots were not ready for that they told the controller that they needed some time to run a few checklists. That makes all the sense in the world. This was a fully loaded 737 low to the ground on one engine, making a one engined approach to the airport without the proper procedures

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@japsie9280 11 ай бұрын

It's easy to judge the pilots because it seems such a simple and stupid mistake. However, I changed my mind completely after I did my type rating on the 737. I can remember one sim session where we had an Engine Severe Damage situation right after takeoff. The bang was so loud and the movement was so violent that my brain just stopped working for a second, and it's damn difficult to get your shit together and complete the memory items succesfully. People often don't realise how easy it is to make stupid mistakes when you are overloaded with stress, movement, noise, etc.

@gnarthdarkanen7464 11 ай бұрын

Maybe all high schools should add to their curriculum somewhere a "test" where the kids get into groups and each group has a group exercise, relatively simple, but like an "Escape Room" thing inside a connex cargo container... Just a basic series of steps and a little bit of thinking to unfasten the latch and get out... The first time they do the exercise it's all fairly straight forward and they're timed and sent to the second "Test"... Where they get into secured seats, and THAT container is then latched shut and sent bouncing and tumbling down about a 30 foot embankment... just all "ka-plop" and sh*t... AND THEN the timer starts again... AND then they can ALL get together in the class room to discuss (debrief) the experiences and the difference between "at rest" doing something in controlled circumstances and "for realzies" doing that same thing when all hell is breaking loose and you're not even sure which way is up or down... ;o)

@ddegn 11 ай бұрын

@@gnarthdarkanen7464 My last day teaching high school, I did something very similar. I thought I was teaching the kids important life skills. The parents and school administrators thought all the broken bones didn't make the learned skills worth it. I thought it was a great lesson. Now I'm not allowed within 500 ft of any school in our district. Fortunately the district in the next town over is looking for an elementary teacher. I think the lesson will go over better with kids who's bones are still bendable.

@gnarthdarkanen7464 11 ай бұрын

@@ddegn Good luck with that! ;o)

@peterj5106 11 ай бұрын

@ddegn. Just need to tell them to toughen up a-bit! 😁

@peterj5106 11 ай бұрын

@gnarthdarkanen. Sounds a-little similar to the Offshore Survival training. You're put in a helicopter body in a swimming pool & have to escape as it's slowly lowered under the water. The 1'st lot of 3 time's are simple but the next time's it's done faster & rolled upside down, you have to wait until it's stopped to escape but some people panic & try escaping early. It's about as realistic as possible for a training course.

@nrakma 11 ай бұрын

When experienced pilots get confused over which engine has failed, it just might be time to reevaluate instrumentation and warning system design.This is not the first and won’t be the last time this happens. And why does my KIA sedan have multiple exterior cameras while all Boeing and Airbus planes have zero cameras?

@gnarthdarkanen7464 11 ай бұрын

Aerotech' relies on laminar flow of air against the flight surfaces, which in turn require laminar flow over the airplane fuselage. Cameras would disrupt that. Your KIA doesn't REQUIRE such clean airflow just to avoid slamming into the ground in a giant crater full of fire and shrapnel... SO the worst you can worry about is burning a little extra fuel and maybe getting stranded on the side of the road out of gas. Things get a little worse when you're flying a plane more than a mile into the sky. ;o)

@japsie9280 11 ай бұрын

The issue isn't with the instrumentation, the issue is with CRM and workload management. Also, camera's wouldn't have done much in this case as engine problems are almost never visible from the outside.

@gnarthdarkanen7464 11 ай бұрын

@@pilotkeithjoseph Well, the problem with that part is the very finite and precious resource that "interstitial spaces" have become on a modern airplane. You'll need an otherwise VOID internally to house the camera, the power AND information cables (even small, they NEED space) and all this can not in ANY WAY interfere with the operation of other internal systems... Don't forget doing it as cheaply as possible, to render a High Def' image in real time for the pilots or flight engineer or some member of the crew to even be available to keep a watch on... AND that it's going to add ONE MORE THING for the pilots to check in their regular scan routines just flying the plane... It's actually kind of amazing how much wiry twidgety and gadgetry crap they've already managed to cram inside the spaces of an airplane that aren't being used to hold passengers, supplies for the flight, and cargo as it is... BUT maybe you can design such a system in a way the Engineers haven't thought about yet. Good luck! You could make a fortune! ;o)

@naughtiusmaximus830 11 ай бұрын

@@gnarthdarkanen7464 I think you could make them flush pretty easily but the FAA would have to certify them😵‍💫

@gnarthdarkanen7464 11 ай бұрын

@@naughtiusmaximus830 ALONG WITH everything else you had to change or move out of the way to "invent space"... Yeah... Don't even get me started on the hooey you'll have to contend with in the FAA... I was only really interested in the shear difficulty and complications of the direct invention and integration part... I have neither need, want, nor patience to dive into Red Tape... ;o)

@sentryfe74 11 ай бұрын

The USAF lost a C5 at Dover due to the crew swapping throttles with the throttle from a shut down engine. Led to essentially a two engine situation on a very heavy airplane. The plane stalled and crashed short of the runway. Fortunately no one was killed..

@johnp139 11 ай бұрын

Just what I was going to post!

@umi3017 11 ай бұрын

Some critical points here I think you didn't make them clear: 1. Both engines have been bought back to idle because they have overshoot the 210kt/2000feet target (all the way to 250kts and 2100feet), FO as PF bring them back just to fly the airplane to where he needed. 2. They switched control before starting the checklist, when CP got the plane, both throttles are in idle, and this is when he starting to ask FO which engines is wrong. this control change probably made a "doorway effect" to both pilot so they didn't remember what was wrong before. 3. The ENG1 never been shutdown, it's been kept at idle all the way to crash, FO started the Engine Shutdown Checklist, but never get to the step that to identify the correct engine due to no time and the deteriorating flight condition, let along shut it down, CP only pushed the No2 throttle forward for power, which is against the operator's guidance of move both throttles before the effective one have been positively identified (their vocal exchange on which one have failed happens before stating the checklists, so it doesn't count as a positive identification). 4.The CP have a note on his previous simulator checkride that he didn't finished the engine shutdown checklist before head back to a landing, that might effect his decision on not to turn back to land as soon as FO asked. In my company, we have specifically added a note on our SOP that if condition permitted and pilot determent it's safer to do so, you could land the aircraft before finish engine shutdown or fire checklist, because we also had some instructor insist, or even bully that you have to finish all checklist before landing in simulator drill and we deiced it might not be the safest action.

@manishm9478 11 ай бұрын

These are some really good insights. It did sound like if they had headed in to land immediately they might have been ok, even with idling the wrong engine. Makes sense they didn't do that if training emphasised completing the checklist first

@georgerivera9220 10 ай бұрын

I agree. The flight crew's duty is safe operation under all conditions with the goal of getting the craft on the ground as soon as a defect appears.

@margarita8442 11 ай бұрын

The NTSB released their final report on the accident on June 15, 2023. The investigation revealed that during the takeoff the cockpit voice recorder recorded a thud and subsequent vibrations. The engine failure was attributed to oxidation and corrosion within two engine high-pressure turbine blades causing stress fractures and subsequent breakage

@Fs3i 11 ай бұрын

Yikes, another "wrong engine shut down"? That's a bit oof.

@hamidjarchi8924 11 ай бұрын

Atr72 malasia crash

@josefanon8504 11 ай бұрын

a real "oof size: large" moment

@technophant 11 ай бұрын

Better to shut down neither

@hamidjarchi8924 11 ай бұрын

@@technophant its impossible...debris from bad engine or surge or fire ...can cause structural failure

@effexmowno 10 ай бұрын

Skill issue lmao

@egvijayanand 11 ай бұрын

Reminds us of the British Midland Airways Flight 092 disaster. Shutting the wrong engine.

@michaeldunham3385 11 ай бұрын

Exactly the same

@mrkipling2201 11 ай бұрын

Thought exactly the same thing.

@conorstapleton3183 11 ай бұрын

That was the Kegworth disaster, he was refering to, at the end.

@egvijayanand 10 ай бұрын

@@conorstapleton3183 Yes, the original comment was posted while watching the video just before that.

@PaulRubino 11 ай бұрын

Former air traffic controller here. It's amazing how high stress can hinder your ability to absorb and process information - as happened here where the two pilots forgot their earlier assessment that it was the #2 engine that had failed. It's during these kinds of high stress moments when you rely on your team mates to communicate clearly with each other to avoid information gaps being created by the rising stress. In this instance, the first officer failed to communicate clearly to the pilot that the left engine had been pulled back to idle. Terrible disaster.

@TheaSvendsen 11 ай бұрын

Incidents such as this one is the reason why I really think we need to bring back the flight engineer (or redefine the role to fit better in modern aviation). The workload can get way too high and we’re only humans, prone to make errors in high stress situations.

@PaulRubino 11 ай бұрын

@@TheaSvendsen I would agree. In an incident like this one, having a flight engineer there to do nothing more than monitor the communications between the pilot and co-pilot could have made all the difference.

@naughtiusmaximus830 11 ай бұрын

Adrenaline is not helpful for clear thinking.

@K1OIK 11 ай бұрын

Have you ever said, "say again?"

@olaflieser3812 11 ай бұрын

@@TheaSvendsen Despite accidents like this: flying is much, much safer than back in the day of the flight engineer. The worse record back in the last century is of course not the flight engineers' fault! What an honorable profession that is! But improvements in crew resource management (big time!), procedures and technology brought improvements that make modern cockpits of two crew members safer than the old ones of three. But there is something else to be developed that can and will challenge and help the pilots if they take "unreasonable" action or just a faulty one due to stress: I am convinced that a great trained AI companion will be able to challenge the pilots, i.e. prompt them "are you sure you want to shut down engine #1 when only #2 has faulty indications"? Workload can be a big issue for pilots expecially when critical systems fail. AI will be able to process, sort and interpret high quantities of information to help pilots in a big way. If I had an airline I'd set out to develop an AI companion for the cockpit, starting today.

@BunkerFox 11 ай бұрын

"Put the engines to idle" moments later "Oh my God, the engines aren't giving us power!"

@danniballecter7936 11 ай бұрын

I'm taking a course currently, called Optimal Pilot Performance that goes over the 9 core competencies of aviation (being taught by Airline Pilot Performance), and in yesterday's session, we talked a lot about the importance of good workload management. And this is a great example of poor workload management; the pilots let the stress build up and they weren't able to think clearly in order to diagnose the problem correctly, and thus act accordingly, it seems. (Also, sidenote...I'm not even a pilot, but I am enjoying the course and I feel the 9 core competencies of aviation can be transferrable to pretty much any job / career, maybe with some tweaking).

@delphidehavilland 11 ай бұрын

Ooh that course sounds absolutely fascinating (also not a pilot lol!)

@sarahalbers5555 11 ай бұрын

I can totally see this being utilized in medical settings also.

@Failure_Is_An_Option 11 ай бұрын

Did I miss it? Did somebody ask you for your life history? No?

@Look_What_I_Did 11 ай бұрын

@@sarahalbers5555 It's called triage. It's why all MD's have mandatory ER hours.

@gnarthdarkanen7464 11 ай бұрын

@@Failure_Is_An_Option I don't recall anybody DEMANDING you read it either... ;o)

@Boodieman72 11 ай бұрын

Due to the increased stress of events like these, pilots rely on the checklists. If the checklists are wrong in anyway then the likelihood of a crash increase significantly.

@UHBlackhawk123 11 ай бұрын

In an emergency the captain should not be flying, but should be managing the emergency. Just like on a ship in an emergency the captain does not rush to take the tiller. If the captain is the flying pilot during an emergency and loses SA, in nearly every case both crew members lose SA. If the captain is the non flying pilot and the FO loses SA, nearly every time the captain recognizes what has happened.

@samlibobu6327 11 ай бұрын

Fact!

@ssnerd583 11 ай бұрын

DING-DING-DING

@robertbackhaus8911 11 ай бұрын

Preferably, whoever is flying at the time of the emergency should keep flying - captain or first officer, it doesn't matter. Both of them are well trained at both the job of flying and the job of managing. They should only change roles if there is an important reason to. "I'm the captain" isn't a good reason.

@UHBlackhawk123 11 ай бұрын

@@robertbackhaus8911 initially, yes. But eventually the captain should turn over the controls to the FO so he/she can manage the emergency. If the captain is the non flying pilot, as in this emergency, he definitely shouldn’t take the controls unless the FO is having issues controlling the airplane

@greentom 11 ай бұрын

Pretty amazing the pilots survived this.

@SpottinPlanesForLife 11 ай бұрын

YOU SPOILED IT!1!1!1!!1

@mauricedavis2160 11 ай бұрын

Thank goodness for that!!!🙏👍🦉❣️

@nostalgicgammingwithshykh9781 11 ай бұрын

What about Passenger

@greentom 11 ай бұрын

@@nostalgicgammingwithshykh9781 was a cargo plane

@ChristopherBurtraw 11 ай бұрын

So, WHY does the checklist have both engines to flight idle? Seems like that warrants further review. Considering this has happened multiple times despite engine failures being relatively rare to begin with, it seems prudent to ensure as much as possible that the correct engine is shut down in these events and minimize the chances for confusion.

@smorris12 11 ай бұрын

I wonder if it's to avoid an asymmetric thrust scenario that makes things worse under certain circumstances? Certainly seems an odd thing to do. Engine goes bang; back off said engine to idle to assess; shut off engine and pull the fire handle if necessary. This isn't the first case of a crash from shutting down the wrong engine I've heard about.

@ChristopherBurtraw 11 ай бұрын

@@smorris12 right. I suppose IF the asymmetric thrust causes issues that rudder doesn't cure, then pulling back both throttles makes sense, but damn this is nuts in this case.

@thitiwatroongruangmanirat8608 11 ай бұрын

That is incorrect. In fact, the checklist requires the remaining engine to be increased to MCT. It’s the dead engine that, after being positively identified, must be put to idle.

@smorris12 11 ай бұрын

@@ChristopherBurtraw I agree. And with no "Engine Dead" indicator, being reliant on fallible human memory is a bit odd in a world of checklists. Perhaps the design assumption at the time was that broken engines only ever go bang catastrophically and completely stop so no chance of spooling up the wrong engine after the checklist instruction.

@ImperrfectStranger 11 ай бұрын

Read the real NTSB report. Don't rely on KZfaq to give you factual information. Both engines were brought back to idle to reduce speed from 250 to 210 knots (which was in line with operator procedure), not because of asymmetry.

@ajaks7636 11 ай бұрын

Completely understandable how this happened, the way you explained it. Glad that both Pilots survived. I wonder what injuries the Captain sustained? Time for Google. Great Video! Thank you. 😀

@curlyvideos 11 ай бұрын

They lose and engine during takeoff, decline an invitation to land, aggressively climb every time the engines struggle, fly 15 miles into international waters, then try to land at a different airport? Did they make any right decisions?

@turricanedtc3764 11 ай бұрын

11:55 - Great video as always, though I'd bring up a minor point of order when comparing this accident to Kegworth. In the case of Kegworth it wasn't that the crew believed they'd had a dual engine failure, they knew it was a single engine failure, but unfortunately misdiagnosed which engine had failed. Probably the overriding reasons for this were that both crew had been used to flying the 300 series in which the cabin air was taken from the bleed air of the *right* engine (number two) only, but the then-brand-new 400 series' cabin air system was fed from the bleed air of *both* engines. Because the first officer could smell burning, it is likely that he fell back on his understanding regarding the 300's configuration. Tellingly, the CVR transcript has the FO respond to the Captain's query as to which engine had failed with "It's the le- ... It's the right one". Coupled with this we also have the fact that the new digital engine gauges fitted to the 400 had been reported as difficult to read compared to the old analogue type, and in particular the vibration gauges on older variants (and older aircraft in general, including the DC-9s the Captain had previously flown) were often considered unreliable. The conversion training from the 300 to the 400 in place at the time does not seem to have included or mentioned this change in bleed air arrangements, and as such should be considered inadequate. It's therefore not difficult to deduce that because the vibration gauges weren't trusted, a "rule of thumb" between B737 pilots developed such that if engine vibrations and a burning odour were detected at the same time, it was the right engine, and if the odour was absent, it must be the left. The media had a field day at the flight crew's expense when it was discovered the "wrong" engine had been shut down, but the truth of the matter is that they were let down by inadequate training.

@gamesforyou5603 11 ай бұрын

I’ve been watching you for a while now and I’m just addicted to you videos

@gamesforyou5603 11 ай бұрын

They are interesting

@gamesforyou5603 11 ай бұрын

Very interesting

@jonbradley4789 11 ай бұрын

Well done, it is nice to see your work grow stronger over time.

@TheSourKraut 11 ай бұрын

Wrong engine shut down? Sounds familiar. I'm sure I've heard THAT before, more than once, just on THIS channel. You'd think, as expensive as planes are, the manufacturer would spend another $20, or so, to install one "check engine light" for EACH engine... (and make the light blink rapidly if the engine has started falling apart). And yes, I understand that this plane was almost old enough to enter service for Delta airlines, but retrofitting a "missing engine" switch can't be that difficult, or? Those pilots were pretty lucky (and good under pressure), judging by the condition of the plane in the pictures.

@ericeric5903 11 ай бұрын

I agree .. it’s ridiculous.

@catthewondahokulea6515 11 ай бұрын

Awesome thank you for updating us about this!

@federicoprice2687 11 ай бұрын

Excellent synopsis, yet again. 💯 👏

@ryanfrisby7389 11 ай бұрын

Great video MACI!

@thereissomecoolstuff 11 ай бұрын

I knew there was a story behind this wreck. I was pissed to lose another 737-200 cargo. To lose it over incompetence is even more disturbing. Glad there was no loss of life.

@federicomaisch6812 9 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing

@flyjet787 10 ай бұрын

It's really refreshing to find an accident debrief channel with a REAL narrator rather than the robots so many use. Great video!

@Boycott_for_Occupied_Palestine 10 ай бұрын

Good video. It is so frustrating to hear pilots shutting down the wrong engine. It's like getting an amputation for the wrong leg.

@Wolf-Spirit_Alpha-Sigma 10 ай бұрын

Funny you should say that. Such mistakes happen in surgery - the healthy kidney being removed and the faulty one left in. And plenty of amputations of the healthy limbs by mistake. 😬This is what humans are like, even the professional ones.

@Jabarri74 11 ай бұрын

It sounds like the checklist instructions actually caused this as reducing power on the 1 working engine caused them to crash a completely viable plane to land

@rolliepixel 11 ай бұрын

finnair ad before this video great

@ljre3397 11 ай бұрын

I’ve liked them all. Thanks.

@alubto 11 ай бұрын

Transasia also had a deadly incident that the pilot shut down the wrong engine, that made me believe having more engines is better even if two is reliable enough

@SolracNexus 11 ай бұрын

The fact that the pilots survived meant that the plane wasn't built by stockton rush

@LUOLMO 11 ай бұрын

Very similar to Transasia 235 and The British midland 092

@nitehawk86 11 ай бұрын

Seriously, how many times are we going to have this specific error? 092 was also an old 737-400.

@oliwek70 11 ай бұрын

About 092, there were also comments about gauges really difficult to read with heavy vibrations

@DB-rc9ln 11 ай бұрын

I remember people calling these pilots heroes, I called BS and I was criticized by the entire aviation community.

@JD-bk1lk 10 ай бұрын

something eerie about those pics of the plane at the bottom of the ocean floor...

@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 11 ай бұрын

V1 then V2 then take off is an error. It should be V1, Vr , take off and then accelerate past V2 in the _normal_ climb. V2 is the climb speed on one engine in the event of an engine failure after the V1 (unable to brake to a halt on the remaining runway) speed during the take off. V2 would be their target speed with a failing engine at low level.

@charlotteinnocent8752 11 ай бұрын

You mention Kegworth at the end and I was just thinking, "this all happened once before..."

@ax.f-1256 9 ай бұрын

The accident is basically a repeat of British Midland Flight 092. The pilots continued flying on the damaged engine while not realizing that they just shut down the wrong engine.

@zardoz_ii2061 11 ай бұрын

Also echoes of Swiss Air 111. Instead of heading straight to the airport and getting the plane on the ground, they went through checklists. That took time that could have gotten them back on the runway.

@toddkoltes3570 11 ай бұрын

Totally different situations. Swiss Air was on fire.

@jaydingiesler5280 11 ай бұрын

Ah yea, a new mini aircraft investigation 😊🎉

@carlo6230 10 ай бұрын

The name of the airline is scary in itself

@eddielopez2373 3 ай бұрын

It identified as a boat

@maryblue75 10 ай бұрын

My father back in 80’s was saying this is the most often reason for accidents….

@davidbaldwin1591 11 ай бұрын

1:You got anywhere to be this evening? 2: No 1: Time to trash this dinosaur.

@Jen-rose76 11 ай бұрын

My father was a captain for Eastern Airlines, and capital cargo so believe me when I say “ Pilots are Human”. We sometimes think that they are super human because many of them sometimes seem to be. But we all make mistakes unfortunately for pilots there mistakes can and does take lives, just like train Engineers or Boat captains. No pilot wants to loose there plane or hurt any passengers believe me they are all amazing men and women whom love there jobs, no one goes to work and expects to come home with life changing injury’s or the loss of there passengers!! So happy that today there is more communication in the cockpit!! As these manufacturers try to produce planes that fly themselves or reintroduce there old plane designs with all new systems it’s hard for the pilots to know everything that’s why there is a check list but sometimes even that doesn’t help!! I understand that when there is an accident it is so much more then pilot error!! (Seems to be NTSB’s fav word) maybe if this plane wasn’t a old bird with failing parts they never would have had to try and figure out which engine was doing what! It’s stupid for me to think every plane is perfectly taken care of and or looked over when money issues always seems to be somewhere in every accidents history. But I do not believe pilot error is the only reason a plane goes down!! I hope and pray the pilots injury’s healed and he is doing better, happy to hear the copilot was ok. 💙💙🙏🏽🙏🏽💙💙

@memphisharris447 10 ай бұрын

I worked there for 4 days. I quit. I've worked 737 for 40 years. Never have I seen anything like I saw there. They had just had two inflight shutdowns in one month. I decided to save my license and leave quickly. This was January. I told them " you guys are gonna crash a plane. 6 months later. Bingo. I taught mechanic situational awareness at southwest airlines. A blind man could see it coming.

@MickCampin-jp9kb 10 ай бұрын

Exactly what happened at the 737-200 crash at Kegworth.

@simonmorris6182 11 ай бұрын

I suspected wrong engine shut down when I heard of the crash. Surely, its better to firewall both engines even if both known to be bad ....in an attempt to avoid certain doom. To hell with the QRH. Engines are cheaper to replace than a whole aircraft.

@Breakingcraft 11 ай бұрын

Yaaas!

@AncestorEmpireGaming 11 ай бұрын

It wasn’t the $10 Logitech Bluetooth controller was it?

@BuddhaOfDarkness 11 ай бұрын

Hahaha

@AncestorEmpireGaming 11 ай бұрын

@@BuddhaOfDarkness 🥁

@glennkamers 11 ай бұрын

I see what you did there.

@stevechance150 11 ай бұрын

Your incorrect statement is dismissive. That was a $30 Logitech controller. No one in their right mind would risk their life, in bone crushing pressure, on a $10 controller. That would be stupid.

@MIZUch. 11 ай бұрын

💀💀

@MyChannel-cf6ue 11 ай бұрын

Before Diagnosis of the nature and location of a malfunction, which checklist calls for closing "Both Thrust Levers" in any phase of flight ? .... @Mini Air-crash Investigation.

@WEPayne 11 ай бұрын

Also similar C-5 crash in RTB after departing Dover AFB.

@scribehades 11 ай бұрын

Captain: We can't keep dropping! Plane: Dude, gravity.

@grahamariss2111 11 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same, a repeat of Kegworth.

@seanmchugh840 11 ай бұрын

Stress indeed can blot the mind out and sure, I know this personally. But if you're going to shut down an engine then the captain's ability to evaluate must be questioned here. If the capacity to think straight is really there then you'd definitely want to take steps to be certain about this action. Then the ATC only came up with the other airport too late.

@av_oid 11 ай бұрын

Good that this plane with these pilots didn’t have passengers on board.

@andyf104 2 ай бұрын

Has the 732 been recovered from the ocean bottom yet, or did they decide to just leave it there..?

@AmnesiaBlank 11 ай бұрын

Mini!!!!!

@maxtornogood 11 ай бұрын

This has vibes of British Midland Flight 92 where they inadvertently put the wrong engine in idle/shutdown & run on the damaged one until it gave out.

@gary53 11 ай бұрын

We hear this all to often...

@ImperrfectStranger 11 ай бұрын

1:54 Doesn't reaching V2 on the runway mean they rotated too slowly? Or is that what you do in your version of MSFS?

@K1OIK 11 ай бұрын

MSFS?

@lhw.iAviation 11 ай бұрын

It’s not perfectly synced, even if it is, Vr speed is just a few knots below V2, which means that by the time the pilots RAISED its nose to 15 to 20 degrees up, it would’ve achieved V2. Sometimes the rear wheels will still be on the ground.

@Steveman61 11 ай бұрын

@@K1OIK Microsoft Flight Simulator

@fu2201 11 ай бұрын

How did they get out?

@ryanu1046 11 ай бұрын

i remember this, the plane ditched a mile away from my home

@Iamgroot9170 10 ай бұрын

At least the aircraft held together under water, better then the titan sub.

@Anistasia5 10 ай бұрын

I have no idea about flying, can someone explain to me what the checklist is? Also can someone explain why the pilot wouldn’t head straight back to the airport? Thanks!

@toddkoltes3570 11 ай бұрын

In what world do you bring back thrust on BOTH Engines when it’s clear which engine was failing?

@TranceReligion 4 ай бұрын

Lives saved and lessons learned in a wrong way.

@Melanie16040 11 ай бұрын

Wow... When did the accident report get released?

@tonyf9076 11 ай бұрын

June 15th 2023

@mikefleming8675 11 ай бұрын

Couple things you said aren’t to standard. 1. The crew wouldn’t have set take off thrust before the tower cleared then for take off. 2. The first officer was the pilot flying so he wouldn’t have acknowledged eve take off clearance. That would be the pilot not flying responsibility. 3. The aircraft would have had enough speed to take off before V2. You said they hit V2 then got enough speed

@kimmokannala4576 11 ай бұрын

I think the link to the other similar case is missing.

@parrotraiser6541 11 ай бұрын

Is there a possible engineerng or procedural solution to preclude that sort of error? ' With twins making up most of the transport fleet now, prevention becomes important.

@meRyanP 11 ай бұрын

the solution is to have competent pilots and not fly aircraft built in the 1960s

@headfella 10 ай бұрын

I would encourage all pilots and pilot wannabes to read the entire NTSB report. It explains all. Too bad neither pilot thought to push up BOTH power/thrust levers to verify the operative engine.

@islander4986 11 ай бұрын

8 right is the reef runway. This animation appears to show a takeoff on 4 right.

@AFloridaSon 11 ай бұрын

Good of the plane to let everyone know it's trans. Evidently it identified as a submarine.

@EyeonthePrize247 11 ай бұрын

Hur dur 🤡

@bahadirozer 10 ай бұрын

maybe stupid question but how did they survive underwater?

@the_kombinator 10 ай бұрын

I didn't realize there were that many wires in a plane.

@Carlos44 11 ай бұрын

Please explain EPR value. Thanks.

@MiniAirCrashInvestigation 11 ай бұрын

APR stands for engine pressure ratio. It’s basically just a number that tells you how much power in the engine is producing.

@oliwek70 11 ай бұрын

FWIK, It's a ratio, pressure at the exit of the reactor divided by pressure at the entry, so you need something (well) above 1 to get power from the engine

@ImperrfectStranger 11 ай бұрын

@@oliwek70 What's a reactor?

@K1OIK 11 ай бұрын

EPR?

@Igorath 10 ай бұрын

i guess it identified as a boat but got a hard reality check.

@leschatssuperstars1741 10 ай бұрын

putting the l in lgbt

@Morpheus-pt3wq 11 ай бұрын

Whoever is making those checklists, seems to be copy-pasting airplane user manual instead of simplifying stuff for pilots. I think the best way of making them would be via cooperation of pilots and engineers.

@NobodySomebodyToo 10 ай бұрын

❤

@AdrianColley 11 ай бұрын

Oh no! Wrong-engine shutdowns are the saddest contributing cause to any crash.

@joshboudreuax817 11 ай бұрын

The engine wasnt shut down, it just wasnt utilized

@careyamos485 11 ай бұрын

R.i.p to the people who died on that crash

@lhw.iAviation 11 ай бұрын

You can go well, didn’t an incident like this happened before? Well, sometimes (actually most of the time), it’s pilot error.

@joebennie6042 10 ай бұрын

Same with Sully’s bird strike, though damage,but was still putting out thrust and shut both down and tried to restart below envelope.??? Get it back onto RWY then do whatever. Former Chief Pilot/Check Airman 30K+

@surferdude4487 11 ай бұрын

It boggles my mind that they could be mistaken about which engine had failed, but I'm not a pilot.

@skittlesbutwithchocolatein2274 10 ай бұрын

I thought this video was about city of Split lol 😆

@johnellis5828 10 ай бұрын

Kalaeloa Airport is also known as John Rodger's Field. It is not Kalaeloa Rodger's Airport.

@nihongobenkyoshimasu3190 11 ай бұрын

Don't jet engines during flight are connected to the manufacturer by satellites, if I remember from reports from the famous not yet found Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. If so, in case of an emegecy, is it conceivable that the pilots get direct feed back information, or later on, when analysiing the accident, the real status of the desactivated working engine could had been determined without extarcting them from the water?

@markdaniel8740 11 ай бұрын

We have reduced power and it is dropping. Let's cruise around for awhile until we lose more power or maybe all power.

@amgguy4319 10 ай бұрын

Boeing just does this to remind everyone that if you want to fly, and live, pay-up... that's costs extra.

@charlesschneiter5159 11 ай бұрын

Well, if in doubt about which engine really failed (been there done that) slowly advance each power lever to see which one responds and which one doesn't. This, because engine instrument indications can be somewhat misleading at times (say flight idle after a descent, EGT temps unreliable depending of nature of defect, etc..). Glad the pilots made it! Ex ATPL here...

@Avgeek1564 11 ай бұрын

Didn't really help the pilots of the BM flight at East Midlands Airport.

@Vincent_Sullivan 11 ай бұрын

I am not a pilot but I am an engineer (electrical / electronics / computer) and that gives me a certain way of thinking. Your suggestion seems very logical! If I were a well trained pilot flying an aircraft in such a situation I would do exactly what you suggest because even if an engine had suffered damage and would over-temp and/or suffer more damage at a higher EPR and/or catch fire I would rather have that happen than go into the drink in which case the damage to the entire aircraft will be catastrophic. You might even get enough performance out of the engine(s) to get you to a field where you have good emergency services. If the engine(s) are melted down to slag after landing - who cares? An example of an emergency with REAL multiple engine failures was Eastern Airlines flight 855 where the emergency was handled much better than this crew was able to achieve.

@libramoon9968 6 ай бұрын

I applied for a job there today.

@gamesforyou5603 11 ай бұрын

Dam

@K1OIK 11 ай бұрын

Not damn?

@marknewell997 9 ай бұрын

Why would a pilot ever have to switch off an engine for any reason, working or not?

@alexisesguerra2544 11 ай бұрын

Anyone else see the thumbnail and think “Airport 1977”? 🤣🤣

@Cheka__ 11 ай бұрын

When Trans Air identifies as a submarine.

@ssnerd583 11 ай бұрын

Seems to me to be an emergency training procedural failure......isnt part of the engine out procedure checklist to IDENTIFY THE PROPER ENGINE OUT AND AGREE TO THIS BY BOTH PILOTS before continuing with the procedures for engine out flight?

@turricanedtc3764 11 ай бұрын

It sounds simple on the face of it, but the differences between the types (plus the fact that the Boeing-authorised procedures for these older types often contain out-of-date information) means that there's often more to it.

@patrickhamos2987 11 ай бұрын

as it was once said, "A good start" not really but the name

@patriciaramsey5294 11 ай бұрын

You said the plane had been flying for decades and was ancient. How old was the plane? I had heard the airline had not performed maintenance on this plane. Did lack of Maintenance contribute to this accident

@GemmaLB 11 ай бұрын

It was a 1975 aircraft so old even for a cargo plane.

@ssnerd583 11 ай бұрын

@@GemmaLB ....yeah....when I was wrenching planes 20 years ago, there was an old 720 freighter blew an engine on take off and it landed safely, and they parked it down where our ramp was and they did the engine change there..... before they got the engine shipped in, we went and looked at that plane and it was pretty shocking the condition of it....we opened the aft cargo door just to look, and one of the guys pulled back the Gill liner just aft of the door sill and....I shit you NOT.... 0_o mushrooms, YES....mushrooms were growing on the longeron which pretty much crumbled when the guy reached in and scooped a handful up ....we closed the pit door and walked away.....it had been in service a LONG TIME....dont know what happened to it after it left but I hope it was retired shortly thereafter