The Stab-in-the-back Conspiracy Theory

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@666rsrs 2 ай бұрын

My main takeaway is what I've always suspected: the Swiss are to blame for everything

@SirManateee 2 ай бұрын

They just can't be trusted

@Artur_M. 2 ай бұрын

And sensationist journalists.

@baneofbanes 2 ай бұрын

@@SirManateeetheir alibis, like their cheese are always full of holes.

@kevinconrad6156 2 ай бұрын

Chaos can be profitable if you can stay out of it.

@spikethompson2000 2 ай бұрын

@@SirManateee *insert zapp brannigan neutrals quote here*

@joshuafrimpong244 2 ай бұрын

I have to question why the germans didn't think that their allies were useless, and therefore blame them more than blame internal politics.

@Dayvit78 2 ай бұрын

The motivation was to gain power. Attacking other countries doesn't help you gain domestic power. Demonizing your political enemies does.

@univeropa3363 2 ай бұрын

It's postulated that the term "treulose Tomate" (unfaithful/disloyal tomato) that sprang up in the 1920s is a direct reference to the Italians who sided against Germany in WW1. There is also the term "Treubruchnudeln" (something close to treason noodle).

@dwarvenminer3329 2 ай бұрын

There was less political gain to blaming their allies post-war, because that by that point Austria-Hungary, the Ottomans and Bulgarians had already been dissolved or diminished. Blaming successor states like Austria which was arguably doing just as bad as Germany doesn't give the same satisfaction or further inflame tension like blaming Social Democrats. As established in the video elections are easier to win if you blame people closer to home then a nations that no longer exists.

@barsukascool 2 ай бұрын

Because they weren’t useless

@Brian----- 2 ай бұрын

German arrogance was a major factor in Central Powers defeat. For example, German leaders berated Austria-Hungary when Italy entered the war, but history does not record how Germany's allies responded when openly acknowledged, stupid German actions including trying to ally with Mexico drove the United States into the war, adversely repurposing the war and creating a crushing resource gradient long before thousands of American troops started to appear. Austria-Hungary was attacked by five neighbors and, with help, defeated all five in the field, but then again, Germany would not have lasted long alone in the war either. It is little remembered that the proximate event chain ending in Bulgarian exit began with German refusal to entertain Bulgarian claims in Dobruja after Rumania was defeated, leaving Bulgarians rightly feeling trapped in a German war with no marginal Bulgarian purpose.

@jeffchengm 2 ай бұрын

I want to just expand a bit on how utterly hopeless the strategic position had become immediately before the Armistice in 1918. It's mentioned that Bulgaria was the first Central Power to sue for peace in September after combined Entente forces broke through on the Salonika front, but it's almost difficult to grasp how swiftly the strategic position collapsed from there. By the end of October the entire Macedonian front, a million or so men had already reached BELGRADE, immediately on the Austro-Hungarian border. The Dual Monarchy had conducted a partial demobilization after the collapse of Russia as it's domestic economy simply could not handle that level of labor shortage outside of the army, and there was practically NOTHING preventing the Entente from simply sweeping into the Pannonian plain, and from there on it would have only been a matter of time before Germany was being attacked with force from it's southwest *completely disregarding the already collapsing Western Front. This is of course assuming that Austria-Hungary continued to maintain itself as a polity which it wasn't. Throughout October Austria-Hungary began it's final throes of disintegration. In late September and early October, basically all of the South Slav political parties within the empire organized themselves as a national council and declared the State of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes which displaced the authority of Austria-Hungary so quickly that Austria still under the Habsburgs for a little time yet voluntarily handed over most of its remaining naval forces to this nascent state hoping to divide the nascent polity and the Italians who certainly desired the fleet as war spoils. Simultaneously to this, the Italians broke through on the Isonzo after 3 years of stalemate as much the Austro-Hungarian army literally fell apart and deserted to their home countries mid-battle, offering the threat of ANOTHER 1.5 million troops from the South and Southeast. It was an act of cowardice and blatant baldfaced lies to even pretend that the war was still winnable. Defeat was practically certain when the Spring Offensive failed, but it is truly an act of dishonor to pull the political equivalent of escaping the guillotine and shoving someone else in your place literally as the blade is dropping. The civilian population who bought into the myth can perhaps be understood given the extent of wartime censorship, but the Generals were truly pathetic wastrels no matter what airs of nobility they tried to put on then, and that which people still place on them retroactively

@DominionSorcerer 2 ай бұрын

In regards to the Austria-Hungary situation Karl I had also already made attempts at reaching out to the Entente to sue for peace in 1917.

@hedgehog3180 2 ай бұрын

It seems to be a tradition among German generals to blame everyone other than themselves because they tried the same thing after WWII, but at least they didn't have much of a platform so only wehraboos believed them.

@HDreamer 2 ай бұрын

@@hedgehog3180 oh they were believed for quite some time, their lies have been relegated to Wehraboos in the past 20 years, but during the cold war they were barely disputed. They even got to write the official history of the eastern Front for the US.

@boozecruiser 2 ай бұрын

Every accusation is a confession.

@Stamboul 2 ай бұрын

From the southeast, not the southwest. Other than that, completely correct. Much of the popular understanding of World War I mostly or even entirely disregards the importance of fronts other than the Western one (except, of course, in the countries affected by them).

@RudolfStern3399 2 ай бұрын

My grandmother‘s grandfather was a Prussian artillery officer in the war and a jew , when he was deported to Riga for extermination he entered the train wearing his uniforms

@battlnerd2128 Ай бұрын

"nice argument, Zürcher, why don't you back it up with a source?" "my source is that I made it the fuck up"

@Toe_Merchant 2 ай бұрын

"We didn't really lose that war, and we're gonna prove it this time by getting DESTROYED" - Dr. Robert Citino on the stab-in-the-back myth.

@hopseshopsidis 2 ай бұрын

im surprised and shocked as a Swiss person that part of the blame of the Dolchstosslegende lies in Switzerland and NZZ in particular

@martinbruhn5274 2 ай бұрын

NZZ today is a quite reactionary news paper. I'm actually not surprised at all. When I have, in the past, taken a look into the news paper, whenever a news story touches on some kind of political code, that is engrained in the news paper (for lack of better words) all journalistic integrity fall away and makes place for pure demagoguery and untruthfulness. Weirdly enough, as long as that is not the case, it can have some pretty decent journalism, which kind of seems to confirm, that it's not actually bad journalism, that's the problem, but something else.

@ThatWornOutBook 2 ай бұрын

Hans Delbrück taking the cake for biggest diss of the interwar period

@Alex-fv2qs 2 ай бұрын

His son would go on to be awarded the Nobel Prize in Medicine and his son in law was one of the participants in the 20 July Plot to kill Hitler

@goldenfiberwheat238 2 ай бұрын

Makes be wonder how he’d feel about Ludendorff’s depiction in wonder woman

@jakobnuernberger94 2 ай бұрын

I genuinely love how niche this channel is. This is the first video I have seen debunking this myth and beforehand you made all those videos about Poland during the early 20th century and all that other stuff. Really love it! And it also is quite well researched, so keep up the good work!

@Wn9618 2 ай бұрын

Man Ludendorff really is the original grim reaper of Germany for what he helped facilitate knowing what he did, truly a uniquely malevolent creature. Legitimately gives von Hotzendorf a run for his money

@SamAronow 2 ай бұрын

“Were German troops not on enemy soil and therefore held the upper hand?” (Laughs in Vietnamese)

@voxinabox2422 2 ай бұрын

What’s up Sam, you are literally my favorite history channel on KZfaq.

@Not_actually_a_commie 2 ай бұрын

The GOAT has commented

@msuomtv 2 ай бұрын

@@darzog9634Sure, some in the British government thought some Zionists had some sway over the US government when they were marginal even in the Jewish community. That doesn't explain the myth, only that people in the government were painfully ignorant and/or willing to try anything.

@hydrolifetech7911 2 ай бұрын

@@darzog9634give it a rest dude!

@Nick-tn3ms 2 ай бұрын

Sam , thank God there are no more any ethno states hell bent on the displacement and disenfranchismeny another population... Right!?!?!??

@Luxnutz1 2 ай бұрын

Ludendorff lost the confidence of the troops after succeeding in taking Amiens and not reinforcing the advantage of the success. Would Sir Manatee have an episode about Neuostprussen 1793-1807? This is an episode that is insightful because it shows vantage point never shown in any other discussion. Thank you again for outstanding explanation.

@genovayork2468 2 ай бұрын

*1795, learn history before embarrassing yourself.

@_Beamish Ай бұрын

@@genovayork2468It’s 2 years touch grass

@HarryPrimate 2 ай бұрын

I would imagine that General Ludendorff’s morale was high because unlike the common soldier, his uniform was clean, his bed was warm and dry, and his meals were always on time.

@thorpeaaron1110 2 ай бұрын

The conspiracy theorists sources were basically we made it the fuck up.

@SirManateee 2 ай бұрын

Essentially, yes

@baneofbanes 2 ай бұрын

It came to me in a medicinal cocaine fueled dream.

@nathansullivan4433 2 ай бұрын

@@baneofbanes So the failed Austrian painter then 😂

@TheSkyGuy77 2 ай бұрын

And it led to disaster nearly 20 years later...

@robertsansone1680 2 ай бұрын

"The Germans have a tremendous capacity for blaming their self made problems on others". William Shirer. Very excellent documentary. Thank You

@ap6480 2 ай бұрын

More like every authoritarian nation

@dagmarvandoren9364 Ай бұрын

Clean your own porch....we,are all people....i am german

@robertsansone1680 Ай бұрын

@@dagmarvandoren9364 My father saw a lot of Germany, from the air.

@ganjacomo2005 Ай бұрын

@@robertsansone1680 'My spirit will rise from the grave and the world will see i was right.'

@robertsansone1680 Ай бұрын

@ganjacomo2005 "If the war is lost, the nation will also perish. This fate is inevitable. There is no necessity to take into consideration the basis which the people will need to continue a most primitive existence. On the contrary, it will be better to destroy these things ourselves because this nation will have proved to be the weaker one and the future will belong solely to the stronger eastern nation. Besides, those who will remain after the battle are only the inferior ones, for the good ones have been killed".

@gamergumilyov8579 2 ай бұрын

Germans trying not to blame someone else for their own failures challenge(impossible)

@Ratselmeister Ай бұрын

It was not germans fault! It was the fault of the french, english and americans. Do your research! The english even used this war to end german monarchy against the wilth of the volk!

@joemiller947 Ай бұрын

@@Ratselmeister "We would have won the war if our enemies hadn't cheated by fighting back!"

@CivilizedWasteland Ай бұрын

@@joemiller947 I like how you completely ignored what he said to spew your propaganda line

@joemiller947 Ай бұрын

@@CivilizedWasteland Saying with contempt that it was the fault of your enemies that you lost a war rather than your own fault just makes you sound like a sore loser. Besides that, if he had provided additional details, I perhaps would have been able to give a more in depth reply. Maybe you would like to speak on his behalf?

@CivilizedWasteland Ай бұрын

@@joemiller947 its pretty obvious to everyone that Germany took all of the blame for WW1 when every other country involved was equally responsible. Nothing more needs to be said.

@RKNGL 2 ай бұрын

Another part of it comes from the same personality elements that would've seen Japan fight to the death in WW2. A perspective that you are not defeated until you and your own have all been wiped out.

@michaelburggraf2822 2 ай бұрын

Indeed, there were some similarities in their attitudes.

@hedgehog3180 2 ай бұрын

Which was put to the test during WWII and shockingly it didn't magically result in Germany winning, it just turned Germany to rubble.

@user-vh3fr3lb8w 2 ай бұрын

@@hedgehog3180sure. They tested what that brings kk

@paulbrower 2 ай бұрын

Germany lost the war because it ran out of troops. It is that simple. The policy of the German General Staff was predictaly "Send more troops!" whenever something went wrong instead of reassessing the wisdom of a failed offensive. That happened enough times that the German Army could predictably sacrifice huge numbers of "green" troops. Doing so ensured that the German Army would deny itself a huge number of non-commissioned officers indispensible in a protracted war. The German General Staff saw the offensive as the sole "honorable" warfare, but each offensive wore down any potential for defense when things started to go wrong.

@DominionSorcerer 2 ай бұрын

That, and the home front was facing famine and had been starving since 1915. Entente soldiers ate better food in their trenches than the families of German soldiers did back home in Germany and had equally a difficult time supplying those troops at the frontline.

@n.speezly1467 2 ай бұрын

To be fair, no general on any side reassessed the wisdom of a failed offensive. It was a running theme to keep throwing more meat into the grinder.

@victinity 2 ай бұрын

Babe wake up, manatee just posted

@posticusmaximus1739 2 ай бұрын

Poland was betrayed in WWII though

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Ай бұрын

As was Baltija and all of Central Europe.

@nathanwaterser8218 2 ай бұрын

Speaking of distorting historical events, The Mexican Government does that all the time We are never taught what actually happened in the Mexican Revolution because the government wants to paint it as a glorious revolution that deposed a tyranical dictator instead of a civil war where literally everyone bacskstabbed one another Sad that distoring history is such a common practice

@williamboisdenghien2849 2 ай бұрын

what would happen if the people couldn't trust the revolutionary process and the institutions established by the Institutional revolutionary party?

@nathanwaterser8218 2 ай бұрын

@@williamboisdenghien2849 Well at the very least they would stop voting for a lot of parties, and would probably not hold the 1917 constitution as highly since it was only a political move to try to appease the other revolutionaries whilest effectively changing nothing Even if not much changed, knowing your true history is never a bad thing, and it helps you not repeat it

@hedgehog3180 2 ай бұрын

You're gonna have to specify which Mexican Revolution.

@nathanwaterser8218 2 ай бұрын

@@hedgehog3180 From 1910 to 1917 (arguably up to 1921 though)

@TenOrbital 2 ай бұрын

You mentioned German troop morale was low and 10% surrendered but it should also be said the German army was defeated in the field and was falling back from France into Belgium, unable to hold the Allies.

@primarchvulkan5097 2 ай бұрын

It does warrant always mentioning that the 100 days offensive utterly broke the German army in the field vs the Entente

@salt27dogg 2 ай бұрын

Maybe the Germans thought that an armistice would not annul Treaty of Brest and Litovsk . Or maybe they didn’t know armistice would have been softer and maybe even promised to be softer, and then they were stabbed in back

@primarchvulkan5097 2 ай бұрын

@salt27dogg The reality is they knew they lost, they knew brest litovsk was way too harsh and was going to be undone (Versailles was nowhere near as harsh). There was no stab in the back other than by Hitler destroying the German republic

@spain5901 2 ай бұрын

This is now the second time Sir manatee uploaded a video, just shortly after I could have needed that exact video in school. It's like he wants to avoid the topics I need in school just to release them right after

@derdude6214 2 ай бұрын

Don't worry they will come back in the a levels 👍

@SirManateee 2 ай бұрын

Mate I promise, I'm not doing this on purpose

@spain5901 2 ай бұрын

No I believe this is a targeted campagne against me as a person. There is no other way around it

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Ай бұрын

Imagine losing a war and saying na aa.

@Pioneer_DE 2 ай бұрын

A very important topic to shine light upon.

@philipuslll 2 ай бұрын

This is why when Germany surrender to the Allieds in Reims in May 7 1945 Stalyn oppossed to the signing of this surrender and demanded a surrender in Berlin and in front of the highest german military ranks. Nobody will question again that Germany was defeated by the Allieds military power.

@jurgenjung4302 2 ай бұрын

KZfaq:"DIE VERBORGENE GESCHICHTE" TEIL1////KZfaq:THORSTEN SCHULTE mit "Der 1WK kein Krieg von Schlafwandlern"

@jurgenjung4302 2 ай бұрын

KZfaq:ROBERT SEPHER mit "The Hidden History of Zionism " and "Subversive Origins of Communism" 👍

@Arpaza Ай бұрын

Tbh germany was just ruble by may 1945, it was hard to argue that germany was "stabbed in the back" instead of "bombed into dust". Compared to the end of ww1 where they were relatively intact apart from the economy being gone

@arthurbarber7546 Ай бұрын

The Germans denied their atrocities in WWI and all of WWII proving them to be true.

@annehersey9895 2 ай бұрын

I believe it was Ludendorff that told Hindenburg that they could no longer supply the army at the level it would take to try and turn the tide. Many of the field Generals on the Entente side wanted to push the Germans back to Berlin and the Americans had just got into the fight. The field generals figured they could be in Berlin by mid1919 but the politicians on both side and the people were very war weary so Peace was struck. Had the politicians listened to the ones who knew, WWII might have been averted. Had the Entente pushed the Germans back over their own border then there could have been no’Stab in the Back’ theory.

@SconnerStudios Ай бұрын

It's kind of funny that WWII almost had a "stab in the back moment" when the July 20th plot just kind of got a little unlucky. After crying about "being stabbed in the back" he almost got stabbed in the back himself for real. Well, not really "stabbing", more like "kaboom".

@sandran17 Ай бұрын

Briefcase under the table doesn't have the same ring to it as stab in the back 🤔

@82dorrin 2 ай бұрын

"The German Army was never defeated in WWI!!" Ron Howard narrator voice: They were, in fact, defeated in WWI.

@KityKatKiller 2 ай бұрын

I disagree with the closing statement. The nuremberg trials didn't prevent a "new" Dolchstoßlegende. At least not the early stages of it. The myth, at it's beginning, is the Generals shifting the blame to someone else. And the clean Wehrmacht myth is exactly that. The nuremburg trials didn't stop that at all. What they stopped was a shift of blame to minorities. But we did (and partially still do) have that new Dolchstoßlegende after WW2

@hedgehog3180 2 ай бұрын

Plenty of people also believe that the Wehrmacht was this amazing super army unable to lose even though it had numerous issues but just sorta got lucky at the start.

@baneofbanes 2 ай бұрын

@@hedgehog3180basically their enemies were even more unprepared than they were.

@ingold1470 2 ай бұрын

I think the World War 2 version of the stabbed in the back myth is the Madman Hitler theory, which was also promoted by the memoirs of Wehrmacht generals shortly after the war.

@hyperion3145 2 ай бұрын

@@baneofbanes Even unprepared, the Allies still could've destroyed Germany in the opening few years. Really, Germany's strength in WW2 came more from the arrogance of the early Allied leaders than it did from German effectiveness.

@darius9329 2 ай бұрын

Copium in this chain of replies is at an all time high

@chadsensei-ue6jn 2 ай бұрын

Tried to fight a two-front war under a naval blockade using a bollocks plan? They shot themselves in the foot.

@hamzahnurreez8420 2 ай бұрын

They had made multiple treaties with Britain and France during the war.

@_Beamish Ай бұрын

@@hamzahnurreez8420What new insanity is this unsourced claim?

@Quran_Alone_Dawah Ай бұрын

Except they defeated Russia and all their efforts could be directed at one front at that point

@_Beamish Ай бұрын

@@Quran_Alone_Dawah At which point America had been in the war for almost a year, even if the German troops freed from the eastern front weren’t simply turned and then fed into the western front, but were used to reinforce that and the Salonica Front, they still could not have prevented either from collapsing and bringing about the capitulation of the Central Powers

@Quran_Alone_Dawah Ай бұрын

@@_Beamish America had been in the war for a year legally, but did not take part in any signficant fighting until well into 1918.

@Nihilistic_Soul 2 ай бұрын

Germany lost the war the single moment the Royal Navy managed to impose the naval blockade. Anyone who believes Germany could´ve won by 1918 its insanely dumb, let alone by late october when the Vardar Offensive forced the surrender of Bulgaria and the Ottomans and the battle of Vittorio Venetto disintegrated the already collapsing Austro Hungarian army.

@baneofbanes 2 ай бұрын

But muh superior Prussian military tradition!

@blakeconroy2187 Ай бұрын

Germany lost the war when Moltke's advance towards Paris was stopped at The Battle of the Marne in September of '14. The only hope the Germans had of winning was a quick campaign with them taking Paris and forcing France to capitulate before the BEF arrived in force. That didn't happen and we instead had 4 years of attritional warfare that Germany could not win.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Ай бұрын

The Wehrmacht lost the moment they entered Belgium, for what the British would do afterwords was 100% predictable. Germany would have been better off just pushing throught the French fortifications.

@sandran17 Ай бұрын

Yeah probably not no

@smal750 Ай бұрын

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 they wouldnt have succeded and the british would still have joined the war

@Tfwest9337 2 ай бұрын

Great video! Love your channel. Digestible videos on niche topics - I can learn something interesting, without having to listen to 90% stuff I know already, or some 2 hour semi scripted ramble! One of your best videos yet - Other than the glorious goulash video ofc

@johnfisher9692 2 ай бұрын

The 'Stab in the back by civilians" was invented by that coward Ludendorff as an excuse to his precious army being beaten, something he didn't have the courage to admit. They loved it when they attacked so quickly and devastated France and Belgium but when German land was threatened with what they had done to others, they gave up.

@ralphbernhard1757 2 ай бұрын

Just remember that the war started because those who "did to others" started encirling Germany on all sides after 1894, and continued doing so with Austria-Hungary (2-front war danger) by favoring Serbia.

@johnfisher9692 2 ай бұрын

@@ralphbernhard1757 Nit relevant to this video but it must be said Germany is not innocent in the encircling. Germany caused a lot of it herself by her arrogant Foreign policy which demanded any agreement HAD to favor Germany by a wide margin. 70-30 preferred. The idea of equality was anathama. German policy of the time was to shove a mailed fist in another Country's face and "Friends now OR ?" But as I said, after raping other countries land, they gave up when THEIR soil was threatened with what they did so happily to others.

@genovayork2468 2 ай бұрын

@@ralphbernhard1757 Lmao boso, Germany and Austria-Hungary started the war by attacking Serbia, Russia, France and Belgium.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Ай бұрын

@@genovayork2468 Austria-Hungary and Serbija started the war. Second tier responciblity goes to Germany and Russija. And France and Great Britain have the third tier of it really wasnt them.

@sandran17 Ай бұрын

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714I am going to smack the magic out of Gavrilo Princeps mouth when I get to hell

@gokce9521 2 ай бұрын

Imagine overthrowing a democracy and starting a world war over the sunk-cost fallacy.

@Superhero18 2 ай бұрын

Well from the German perspective, it was England/France rather than Germany. Because the affair with Poland should only have affected Poland, not the French or the British. And then it was the British who attacked neutral Norway, prompting German actions in the baltics. Outside of the war crimes, WW2 is just as complicated as WW1

@hedgehog3180 2 ай бұрын

@@Superhero18 I'm sure WWII seems reasonable from a Nazi perspective but I also don't give a shit about what the Nazis believed so that's irrelevant.

@solaribtw 2 ай бұрын

@@Superhero18 by the way, historical fact, the british did NOT attack norway in ww2 like ever

@Superhero18 2 ай бұрын

@@solaribtw As a matter of fact, indeed they did. Germany simply routed them out of Denmark and Norway to protect the ore supply coming into Germany. You might want to brush up on the history of the war

@solaribtw 2 ай бұрын

@@Superhero18 i still don't see the norway part but denmark?? really?? the denmark that was defeated in 6 hours? that was the british stronghold in your opinion?

@silverswordstudios7334 2 ай бұрын

What timing! I just recently finished my undergraduate thesis on the Dolchstoßlegende with relation to potential Greek literary influences. If anyone’s looking for another really good source, George Vascik’s “The Stab-in-the-Back Myth and the Fall of Weimar Germany” is a great place to start, combining primary source docs with broader commentary and contextualization.

@SirManateee 2 ай бұрын

Sounds very interesting. Congrats on finishing your undergraduate thesis! :)

@goldenfiberwheat238 2 ай бұрын

When Germany surrendered in 1945, doenitz got on the radio and announced by saying the Wehrmacht fought honorably and was defeated in battle. This was to prevent another stab in the back myth from forming

@Myszojelen2906 2 ай бұрын

Großartige Arbeit, so wie immer! Deine "Vorträge" hab ich immer gerne :) Alles Beste

@browngreen933 2 ай бұрын

What tipped the scales against Germany (including morale) was America's entry into the war in 1917.

@genovayork2468 2 ай бұрын

Not at all. Germany was doomed from the beginning.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Ай бұрын

@@genovayork2468 Without the USA it could have been a draw, the French army was also in mutiny.

@violjohn 2 ай бұрын

Enjoyed this. Growing up in the Commonwealth, there was little focus on the German experience, so little interest in things like the “Stab in the back” concept. Interesting to see what it was and which segments of German society adhered to it.

@colindunnigan8621 2 ай бұрын

I'd call Ludendorff a loathsome little polyp, but that would be insulting to polyps.

@michaelburggraf2822 2 ай бұрын

Actually Hindenburg wasn't much better.

@RuthvenMurgatroyd 2 ай бұрын

@@michaelburggraf2822 He was much better.

@phucminh7377 2 ай бұрын

@@RuthvenMurgatroydboth can be bad

@IronymousYT 2 ай бұрын

I can say the same for Churchill.

@phucminh7377 2 ай бұрын

@@IronymousYT me too, I’m not even a Churchill fan lmao

@Hadar1991 2 ай бұрын

It is kinda funny that for me video about Germany WWI surrender ended with my screen showing "A big thank you to:" - Battle of Verdun; - The Great Vowel Shift; - European Conquest of America. :D :D :D Although I am not sure how the second one is related to the topic. :D

@hedgehog3180 2 ай бұрын

Middle English could have never defeated the German Empire obviously.

@LucasBenderChannel 2 ай бұрын

Deine Videos sind einfach toll. 🤗 Echt, riesiges Kompliment! Besonders bewundere ich dein Talent, alles so knapp wie möglich zu halten! Die Videos sind nie länger als sie unbedingt sein müssen. Und auch die Grafiken kommen ohne große Animationen oder Soundeffekte aus. 10/10

@SirManateee 2 ай бұрын

Vielen Dank für deine lieben Worte :) Ich schaue deine Videos auch total gerne, das letzte war echt klasse!

@dagmarvandoren9364 Ай бұрын

Du du du..

@gordonloessl2822 2 ай бұрын

You discussed all of the symptoms. But never the core reason of the myth. Question? Why did the Americans join the war so late? This fresh army out resourced the Germans.

@free_at_last8141 Ай бұрын

I say old bean, this is such a fine and sophisticated KZfaq channel. Such serendipity that I should stumble across it. I tip my fine top hat to you and shall fastidiously polish my monocle in anticipation of your future content.

@konstancemakjaveli Ай бұрын

It wouldve been so easily to blame it all on nazis and hitler, but you actually did proper analysis and research into the topic. Good job.

@user-qk5mm1yw7y 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for another nice vid Lord Manatee

@ilsignorpino3959 2 ай бұрын

15:12 first time I've heard you swear. Very fitting of the context

@SirManateee 2 ай бұрын

Couldn't restrain myself

@nathanielzarny1176 2 ай бұрын

Great video! But weren't the far right nationalists also starving in Germany by 1918? Didn't they also hear the news of Austria-Hungary breaking apart? Despite all the horrible conditions, did the far right support the war at that point? Or did they just "forget" that they hated the war when it was convenient for them?

@brianfox771 2 ай бұрын

I think it was the shock of how harsh and how much a walk-back Versailles was to the initial conditions agreed to for the Armistice. I'm thinking some weird version of rose-colored glasses in hindsight.

@michaelburggraf2822 2 ай бұрын

The far right was and to some extent is still embracing the idea of ultimate loyalty and fighting for the honour and glory of the imperial fatherland at any cost. It' irrational in many ways and quite hypocritical and deranged. It's based on a fabricated mythology of a romantisized germanic nation and empire created in the 19th century in the aftermath of the Napoleonic wars and the Congress of Vienna.

@phucminh7377 2 ай бұрын

Short answer: the far-right ideologues (the Pan-German League, the DLVP) supported the war until the very end but have very little popular support. Long answer: Even the the more moderate right support the war. In Reichstag at this time it was dominated by the big business, industrialist National Liberal Party and the aristocrat, Junker Conservative Party. As you can imagine their voters were not gonna effect by the war much. Like before WW1, the right in Germany was very elitist, in 1918 they still supported major territorial annexations (Hindenburg Peace) and unrestricted submarine warfare. The workers were the ones who suffer the most and they overwhelmingly supported the SDP, which along with the People’s Progressive Party and Zentrum, called for peace at the end of the war. There were some attempts among the far-right but it wasn’t until the Weimar that right-wing parties were able to expand into the working class.

@sandran17 Ай бұрын

Nationalism makes you do crazy things

@oihanlarranegi472 2 ай бұрын

I wish you explained a little bit more in depth how disastrous the military situation was, because even today I find people thinking that the Germn army could have still done something to at least mitigate the defeat. Other than that, cool video, good summary

@DominionSorcerer 2 ай бұрын

Not sending armies across no man's land in futile attacks up until the armistice was signed that were nothing but an attempt at saving face is something they could have done to mitigate the defeat. It's about all they could have done.

@kevinblatter2369 2 ай бұрын

The first "Big Lie" in post-1900 world history that had disastrous consequences for both those that believed in the myth and those that did not.

@michaelburggraf2822 2 ай бұрын

I'm deeply grateful for that thorough presentation of facts. Thank you very much.

@lemons_of_engineering Ай бұрын

what music was used in this video?

@JulianSki 2 ай бұрын

Great video! Glad to see you debunking myths

@Daniel_Z35 2 ай бұрын

You are doing such a great job with these videos. It seems only the far right talks about these topics, and then people start to believe them. Keep it up!

@matthewvasquez3718 2 ай бұрын

Great analysis! hope more people with different algorithms see this

@danielbishop1863 2 ай бұрын

AFAICT, the reason for the lack of a "stab in the back" legend after WW2 was that Germany was just so totally devastated by the war that it was hard to think of a plausible "we could have won, BUT" scenario.

@Nordbon1523 Ай бұрын

Also Dönitz himself said that Germany was defeated if I remember correctly.

@roterotevideo 2 ай бұрын

If you want a wild ride you should do something on the Kapp Putsch

@SirManateee 2 ай бұрын

Fantastic idea

@etiennemourez3059 2 ай бұрын

A Big Danke Schon too for your amazing Arbeit, Sir. Grusse aus Frankreich

@SirManateee 2 ай бұрын

Merci beaucoup :)

@bronkobjama3154 2 ай бұрын

Here’s something my students are gonna watch in future classes.

@rodvafe Ай бұрын

Very good video! Delbrück hears like a fascinating person that I've just heard off

@Ihni2000 Ай бұрын

Lots of Wehraboo cope, as expected

@cmbeadle2228 Ай бұрын

Great video. Have you considered doing a video on Ebert himself, and whether he saved or hurt democracy because of his actions during the early Republic?

@bombatta1544 Ай бұрын

Question. Between 1915-1917, how many factory strikes happened in Germany? How did that affect Germany's war effort?

@konduktorpklpriv3133 2 ай бұрын

Another entertaining and educating video, gj

@NickT1861 2 ай бұрын

Germanys first republic was not a good thing.

@baneofbanes 2 ай бұрын

Was better than the Nazis.

@blorb32 2 ай бұрын

@@baneofbanes Was worse than the National-Socialists. Way worse.

@baneofbanes 2 ай бұрын

@@blorb32 you truly are a soyjack then.

@noname18305 Ай бұрын

@@baneofbanesmaybe better for Jews, Communists, and defectives

@Quran_Alone_Dawah Ай бұрын

@@baneofbanes It was. Unfortunately the world isn't a fantasy where a government ticking certain boxes of virtue makes it better for the population. When people are starving, unable to feed their families, when their country is being extorted and plundered by the Entente, mainly the French, when deg eneracy is running rampant, and when a certain tribe has disproportionate representation in the media and bolshevik activities, people take some basic truths, and amplify them through their indignation. And from the perspective of a German who lived through those times, having someone lift the country back out of the pit and restore it to its former glory, it is absolutely understandable, in fact logical, for him to support the NSDAP

@genovayork2468 2 ай бұрын

Germany could have never won WWI.

@Fire157_ 2 ай бұрын

I think they could have multiple times during the war

@genovayork2468 2 ай бұрын

@@Fire157_ That's WWII. Germany doomed itself from the start in WWI.

@perguto 2 ай бұрын

The point is not that Germany "could have won" but that they wouldn't have had to unconditionally accept the demeaning conditions of Versailles if they hadn't lost the capacity to fight back after the November Revolution

@genovayork2468 2 ай бұрын

@@perguto They had lost any capacity to continue to fight much earlier. Ludendorff had been calling for suing for peace by early 1918. If it had kept on fighting the country would have been occupied.

@dieletztekavallerie395 2 ай бұрын

@@genovayork2468 No, it’s the opposite one. The Allied Powers (especially Russia) were weaker than the Allies of WW2 (until the US joined them.

@Zvierboi 2 ай бұрын

The music in the background is the op. 62 coriolan overture from beethoven and then the 5th symphony also from beethoven

@TheMexxodus 2 ай бұрын

German military defeat was inevitable. And Ludendorf and Hindenburg - later even president of the Weimar republic which he in effect had undermined - shifted the blame of the inevitable defeat. The German army WAS defeated, even when the allies not invaded Germany. With disastrous consequences. Hitler also believed this conspirary, overestimating German military power, ignoring the real reasons Germany lost the First World War (it simply couldn't win a war of attribtion against half of the world), Hitler therefore declared war on the US in december 1941, and it led Hitler to the crazy belief he would ever surrender and drag Germany into the Wagnerian abyss. In short, it made World War Two even worse and more fanatic ......

@republicempire446 2 ай бұрын

Why this sounds familiar to what happened to Vietnam War?

@nurventilatoren 2 ай бұрын

Not really, but with their "allies" they didn't need any enemies.

@SacredHeartEnjoyer 2 ай бұрын

Amazing analysis!

@Baelor-Breakspear 2 ай бұрын

Great video bro

@kennethcarney5874 2 ай бұрын

So when the Americans entered the war,Germany would loose. And who persuaded the Americans to cross the big ocean and enter the fray?

@joshuafrimpong244 2 ай бұрын

said germans who encouraged Mexico to try to invade the US

@CMitchell808 2 ай бұрын

Germany did, by telling Mexico to invade America. That’s not cool.

@miles2142 Ай бұрын

let me guess, the zimmermann telegram was actually sent by jewish satellite probes?

@Ratselmeister Ай бұрын

@@joshuafrimpong244You really want to deny that England tried everythung to involve the US in the war? Are you british or just dumb?

@sandran17 Ай бұрын

Britain!

@robred19 2 ай бұрын

The actual cause of defeat in Germany relating to WW1 was numerous. The Allied blockade strangled the German economy and its ability to produce goods and manufacture of weapons, medicines etc. The 'Turnip Winter' is a testament to this action from the allies. Then you have the incessant defeats (which you noted) involving Austria-Hungary. Bulgaria and the Ottomans. The Austro-Hungarians were exhausted by 1917 and the Emperor himself made covert moves to end the ruinous war behind Germany's back, which was exposed and this proved Austria's unreliability as well as its condition. Then you have the Brest-Litovsk Treaty, which demonstrated the lust and nature of the Germans in victory. All this did, was stiffen the resistance of the Allies. (Well done Germany!!! slow-hand clap) Then you have to throw in the industrial/economic and manpower the USA threw in, once they entered the war. Germany and its path to the continuance of the conflict was now on a timer, once America entered the war, brought about by Germany's unrestricted submarine warfare and its absurd Zimmerman telegram. The latter being the total responsibility of the Kaiser and the German High Command. WW1 and Germany's defeat, with the addition of WW2 throws up a question in relation to Germany and its national character, as these events lay out one of Germany's real problem, which you could argue started in the defeat at the Battle of Jena. Which points to Germany and its rather strong reputation for being 'sore losers'. In our own contemporary times, we see this characteristic in football. When England won the World Cup in 1966, W. Germany lost, which then sparked the Country transforming their approach to the game, utilising all manner of scientific and technical training to produce winning teams beginning in 1974. OK, winning those World Cups was great for Germany and its prestige, but football is supposed to be fun. Germany turned football into a science. Not exactly conducive to the 'spirit of the game', is it? Anyway, a good production, but please note the 'blockade', which was a foundation stone in Germany's defeat in WW1, plus its lack of manpower and resources against 3 world powers in 1914-18 and to be joined by another in 1917. Replacing Russia with the USA, the most dynamic power in that period. And to think, this ALL could've been avoided, if only someone could've placed the World map in front of Helmuth Von Moltke. who gambled the future of Germany on a battle in 1914. A battle that was to be lost at The Marne. Germany's war was over after that, where the Allies would utilise the time to bring its resources, empire, manpower to the conflict. A conflict from 1915 to its conclusion, would only end one way. So I humbly make this request, can Germans please, please, please, look at maps when contemplating war. It sort of puts things in their proper perspective.

@essasito1919 2 ай бұрын

Maybe i was to harsh on this channel the last time around. Very nice and interesting video.

@aka99 2 ай бұрын

You were too harsh!

@Fallout3131 2 ай бұрын

Why were you so harsh?

@konst80hum 2 ай бұрын

The problem being cowards allowed to run things and not suffer for it. People should be forced to suffer some consequence for their actions and that includes leaders in all fields. Leadership has consequences.

@vaxrvaxr Ай бұрын

The dissolution of the monarchy wasn't enough for you?

@konst80hum Ай бұрын

@@vaxrvaxr It wasn't Ludendorf who did that. He just asked the Kaiser to sue for peace and even said that "we will leave this mess to the politicians". and then ambled off to support revanchist bastards like NSPD.

@CatnamedMittens 2 ай бұрын

If this was true, no one would admit it. However, whats good about this theory is that it was so real it didn't need to be true to work.

@edograzzini1545 2 ай бұрын

Based Sir Manatee

@arthurg.calixto3338 2 ай бұрын

Incredible video

@bcvetkov8534 Ай бұрын

Question for Sir Manatee and his viewers. Had Germany not resumed unrestricted submarine warfare and provoked the US into joining the war on the side of the Entente. Could they have used the reinforcements from the Eastern front to push and end the war in the west or use them to shore up defenses along the Salonika or Italian fronts to prevent a collapse?

@DominionSorcerer Ай бұрын

It wouldn't have changed much, really. By the time American troops actually arrive in significant enough numbers to have an outcome on the Western Front Germany has already gambled and lost much of their resources and reinforcements on the Kaiserschlacht. Three months later Bulgaria surrenders, a month after that Austria-Hungary both surrenders and ceases to exist and the German Revolution breaks out. Even if France surrendered, which is unlikely to happen quickly enough before the surrender of Bulgaria, which would spell doom for Austria-Hungary and because the Kaiserschlacht simply couldn't have succeeded in any form, most of those reinforcements would have had to stay in France as an occupation force. All this while plundering what food they can from France in a desperate attempt to stay off starvation in Germany. For Britain it would simply be a waiting game before the Central Powers collapse into themselves, and they wouldn't have had to wait long.

@rkeykey 2 ай бұрын

I wish there was content like this for every country on Europe at least. Old Brittania is closest for Britain but it focuses mostly on grand politics

@bagrat6085 Ай бұрын

You should make a video about the Sparticist Uprising and the failed German Revolution, I think its an undercovered subject in the sphere of comprehensive academic youtube

@univeropa3363 2 ай бұрын

"Fled like a coward". I mean, chances were that he could have ended up dead. So, uh, yeah...

@iGamezRo 2 ай бұрын

The guy had 3 options. Travel back to Germany where there were chances that he might get killed or kidnapped by revolutionary groups, go and surrender himself to the Entente, where the French wanted him tried for war crimes, but which would've opened a big can of worms, one not seriously opened since the Trial of Charles I in the 1640s', that if monarchs can commit crimes and the last option, flee to the wooden shoes and windmill land, where he had a good relationship with Queen Wilhelmina. It was what worked out the best for him.

@CatnamedMittens 2 ай бұрын

@@iGamezRo if WW2 is any indicator of justice for war crimes then the entente would've shirked any responsibility for their own.

@paulbrower 2 ай бұрын

@@iGamezRo Add to that there was the example of Bolshevik Russia, in which the Bolsheviks exterminated the royal family.

@iGamezRo 2 ай бұрын

@@CatnamedMittens I get your point, but you kinda missed mine. The allies tried no monarchs. Only politicians. Yes, they did try some royals, but no big ones, and the German ones weren't even legally royals anymore. The only big royals that come through my mind now are the senior members of the Bulgarian Royal Family, but they were tried by a communist kangaroo court. The Entente (the smelly frog-eating French especially) really wanted to have their image cleared because they knew that Serbia was the final spark to ignite the powder keg. WW1 was started through a complex system of social, political, geographical and historical grudges that Europe held with itself. A Serbian guy with a pistol was just the reason that managed to escalate to be big enough to start the war. WW1 is the fault of everyone, but was it really? Now, yeah, we think so, but then? Then war was seen as glorious, something that is "normal", people were talking before WW1 that a "Great War" will happen. They just weren't sure how it will start.

@paulbrower 2 ай бұрын

@@CatnamedMittens Almost all of the executions of Germans as the result of WWII were for the Holocaust and other mistreatment of occupied peoples. I am surprised that German plutocrats got away with using slave labor; even the Soviet officials failed to demand the prosecution of tycoons and executives. At the Nuremberg trials, all but one of those sentenced to death were connected to the Holocaust except for slave-labor boss Fritz Sauckel, whose victims were largely gentiles rounded up for slave labor. Such included huge numbers of Soviet citizens.

@yuvalron324 2 ай бұрын

Im Jewish and my great grandfather served in the austrian army in ww1. Later on the Jews of austria went thought the holocust. This was the real backstab

@luquai 2 ай бұрын

Slightly unhinged… I like it! 😊

@Thomas_Name 25 күн бұрын

I don't know if this was the intended effect of this video, but what you said makes me consider that this conspracy theory only really became a mainstream idea because of historians post 45. I'm actually surprised how little the nazis used it in their propaganda according to what you say - altough the explanation you give makes sense obviously.

@dillanspec4 2 ай бұрын

What about 109 is that a conspiracy theory too

@perguto 2 ай бұрын

Yes ,109 is actually lowballingn it. Thr trur number 1 would be Egypt btw (look up "Hyksos" to find out about their side of the Exodus story)

@josemama428 Ай бұрын

Yes

@PMMagro 2 ай бұрын

Germany was soundly defeated on the battlefield. Her allies had already been defeated and surrendered to which off course made Germanys situation even worse.

@Gerotzried 2 ай бұрын

Doch.

@DukeofDjibouti 2 ай бұрын

Nice one

@kastor6647 2 ай бұрын

What's with that repeating theme of the stabber being a woman in a cooks hat? What's the sginificance here?

@666rsrs 2 ай бұрын

The hat is the phrygian cap, a symbol of jacobinism during the french revolution, later used as a general symbol for revolutionary sentiment

@kastor6647 2 ай бұрын

@@666rsrs I see it now that you said it.

@blorb32 2 ай бұрын

It's a jew.

@user-nh5vk9yf4l 2 ай бұрын

Very real. It will be revealed soon.

@mattBLACKpunk 2 ай бұрын

I mean you could argue they were stabbed in the back by the Austrians being so useless but idk if that's how they usually read it, no?

@Ryan-Gartland-Ryan-Gartland 2 ай бұрын

Hello, thank you for your very informative videos. As an expansion of this video on the ‘Stab in the Back’ myth, would a video be possible on the social and psychological effects of WWI on the population (1918-1920s)? We talk more and more of PTSD and emotional wellbeing, but how did the population(s) of Germany discuss these issues (if at all) and then attempt to remedy them? Did National Socialism perform as a sort of “public therapy” for some (or many)? The war ended, but the psychic wounds certainly lived on, and found their ways into decisions and objectives seen with the next world war.

@666rsrs 2 ай бұрын

An example of the National Socialists attempt to "remedy" the psychological wounds of the war is the mass murder of thousands of German WW1 veterans suffering from PTSD during the T4 annihilation program against "unworthy life"

@dutertefan 2 ай бұрын

Why did Britain drop leaflets of the Balfour agreement over the German front lines during WW1?

@alfiejob6546 2 ай бұрын

Source?

@dutertefan 2 ай бұрын

@@alfiejob6546 You could google "the hidden us role in the balfour declaration" and it is in the third last paragraph in the Times of Israel article.

@gorilla5414 26 күн бұрын

The entire hierarchy of the KPD was literally Jewish. The guy who came to take over Bavaria and declare it ‘red Bavaria’, was Jewish. The leader of the KPD, Luxembourg, was also Jewish. Kaiser Wilhelm II literally said ‘I won’t advocate for a thousand workers and a hundred Jews’.