The Star Wars Philosopher's Guide to Every Single Lightsaber Technique [Form I - Form VII]

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In this video, we give you the philosophical interpretation of every single lightsaber form! Hope you all enjoy, and there are many more long videos to come.
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:32 Form 1 - Shii-Cho
9:11 Form 2 - Makashi
18:12 Form 3 - Soresu
26:36 Form 4 - Ataru
34:28 Form 5 - Shien and Djem So
42:44 Form 6 - Niman
51:27 Form 7- Juyo and Vaapad
1:01:09 Outro

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@warrmalaski8570
@warrmalaski8570 Жыл бұрын
Luke Skywalker was once asked "What technics lead to the dark side?" His answer was "All of them and none of them." As they all had the capability to be misused in anger. While none of them were inherently evil.
@aceknowledgable9403
@aceknowledgable9403 Жыл бұрын
@Deniselee28 The Force amplifies and draws upon emotions that affects themselves and those around them. Anger inherently corrupts the user because the Force turns their natural negative emotions into dangerous and lethal abilities that do nothing but cause pain, destruction, and chaos to the galaxy.
@fighterphoenix5789
@fighterphoenix5789 Жыл бұрын
That is why I prefer the more exotically forms
@TheGhettoGinger
@TheGhettoGinger Жыл бұрын
@@aceknowledgable9403 If you ignore your anger for fear of it's consequences, that's denying a part of yourself which is not balanced. Accepting and acknowledging that you can be angry without letting it drive your actions is how you achieve balance. This applies to real life as well.
@aceknowledgable9403
@aceknowledgable9403 Жыл бұрын
@@TheGhettoGinger In Star Wars, negative emotions fuel the dark side which corrupts the user once used. In real life, however, anger and other emotions are normal and can be addressed, integrated, and controlled without harming anyone or anything.
@TheGhettoGinger
@TheGhettoGinger Жыл бұрын
@@aceknowledgable9403 In Legends, Luke Skywalker taught his students that anger is not something to be afraid of itself. That it was the Jedi's fear of anger and of negative emotions overall that caused them to become paranoid. It's why they didn't want to train Anakin. All he needed was the right guidance and had Qui Gon lived he would have received it. If you deny that you're angry because you're worried it may lead to the Darkside then that is fear and it will eat at you until eventually, you will succumb to the Darkside. Acknowledging and accepting you are angry are how you overcome it. That was one of the main flaws of the High Republic Era Jedi. They became apathetic towards themselves and others in the Galaxy because of their views on emotions.
@reiddajuiceman
@reiddajuiceman Жыл бұрын
I just realized how terrifying these descriptions actually paint some of my favorite jedi/sith. Take obi wan and anakin's duel on mustafar, anakin was so familiar with obi wan's soresu techniques that the entire battle is basically a stalemate. Until obi wan takes the high ground and instead of using a soresu defense to block anakin when he jumps over him, he uses a completely different technique who's aim was solely dismemberment. So it stands to reason that many of the true masters of lightsaber combat would utilize a similar strategy when dealing with powerful opponents. Nutty. I bet anakin never forgot that final lesson from his master in not being too overconfident
@tb4076
@tb4076 Жыл бұрын
That final lesson is one reason that a lot of fans (myself included) like to headcanon when puzzling out why vader and ben kenobi's final duel is so slow and unflashy lol. Obviously the irl reason is that both actors were old, vader's custome is clunky, film tech wasn't there, etc. But in-universe, it makes perfect sense that some part of vader would be extremely cautious because he obviously doesnt want the same thing to happen to him as on Mustafar.
@zeppelincraft1443
@zeppelincraft1443 7 ай бұрын
@@tb4076 Anakin did not seem to grasp that Obi-wan learnt how to throw devastating counterstrikes from him.
@flaviomonteiro1414
@flaviomonteiro1414 17 күн бұрын
An interesting thing is that Obi Wan did the same thing with Maul during their last duel. He baited him by switching stances which caused Mauls quick defeat in the hands of Kenobi.
@eugenewang4650
@eugenewang4650 16 күн бұрын
​@@tb4076 Yes, Obi-wan was actually NOT a very gifted force user with a mediocre at best midichlorian count. In Legends, he was actually removed from the Order at 12 years old due to no Master wanting to train him as a padawan with Mace telling him he had no potential. His mindset of grinding & working multiple times harder than other Jedi as well as his experience in combat was the reason he became great. However due to being of the Human race that suffered from age deterioration combined with his low force sensitivity means that unlike Yoda and Sidious who were still top tier combatants despite their senility, Obi was now a very poor fighter and had to resort to Shii Cho on the death star. Vader now being mature, learnt his lesson of being arrogant and was extremely reserved to press the attack just in case his old master pulled another fast one like the last 2 times he lost.
@ForeveraBoss117
@ForeveraBoss117 Жыл бұрын
I find it awesome Fisto beat Grievous, who learned how to kill Jedi from Dooku, with the simplest lightsaber form. He’s also the only Shi Cho user to use two lightsabers and honestly it was some of the most graceful dual wielding they ever showed in clone wars
@WeaponsRemorse
@WeaponsRemorse 8 ай бұрын
And with is former padawans saber
@ProfBrunoClemente
@ProfBrunoClemente 8 ай бұрын
This is a very important argument, that most people often mistake: the Forms are tradeoffs, but as far as I understand, all are equally useful, trading pros and cons. People usually simply assume stuff like Ataru and Djem So are simply "better" than others suck as Form I or II. I'm assuming if we put an expert form I, an expert form II and an expert form V on multiple rounds, the results would be fairly even, instead of the predictable result people often assume online. I can see a master in Makashi winning againg a master in Djem So, or a master in Shi Cho winning against a master of form VII, assuming both are equally strong, skilled and fit. It's up to context, strategies and the individual skill, not only the Form
@CowboyMikeShow
@CowboyMikeShow 7 ай бұрын
​@@ProfBrunoClementewell maybe not in the sense that it would be roughly even because some forms are more effective against others in a sense where they are direct counters idk if any of those are in particular but still Either way you are right that all the forms are roughly equal
@danpatrickth2759
@danpatrickth2759 7 ай бұрын
Agreed
@zeppelincraft1443
@zeppelincraft1443 7 ай бұрын
The way Kit Fisto flows like water showcases a key strength of the lightsaber. You don't need to hit hard. Just trailing your saber is destructive enough. This realization would evolve form 1 into 2 which minor hits would count more as efficient tactics.
@israelgarcia7269
@israelgarcia7269 Жыл бұрын
It's so cool that fighting a true master of soresu is really just fighting the force itself. And while the force isn't all about killing, so you have pretty good odds of surviving the ordeal, you literally can't win.
@christophergardiner5351
@christophergardiner5351 Жыл бұрын
I think Makashi is the only form that can truly be a major threat to Soresu. Just simply because Makashi is an offensive form designed for using less energy and force the opposition to use a lot, and Soresu (as good a defense as it is) can not hold out forever.
@mafuyuhoshimiya8219
@mafuyuhoshimiya8219 Жыл бұрын
@@christophergardiner5351 well, it won't really work cause both Makashi and Soresu take very little energy to use, thus, as I understand, it would be just a fight till one of them wears out, if one ever does
@christophergardiner5351
@christophergardiner5351 Жыл бұрын
@@mafuyuhoshimiya8219 not exactly. Soresu is meant for blasters while Makashi is for blades. Makashi is designed to counter strikes from opponents quickly and unpredictably, and to get around defences by either being more cunning or making each defensive move expend more energy then you do. This is what happens when Obi Wan faces Dooku.
@jDiddyi
@jDiddyi Жыл бұрын
@@mafuyuhoshimiya8219 Makashi excels at creating holes through defenses. The the first blow wont be a decapitation but it they will add up quickly
@Tkokat
@Tkokat Жыл бұрын
@@mafuyuhoshimiya8219 Dooku was the master of Makashi and he went against Obi Wan who was a master of Soresu. I think the writing is on the wall
@wildwaymartialarts
@wildwaymartialarts Жыл бұрын
Juyo makes me think of firebending while Vapaad is lightning. To quote Iroh "Remember, once you separate the energy, you do not command it. You are simply its humble guide. Breathe first."
@Cyclonus5
@Cyclonus5 Жыл бұрын
I personally would say that Juyo is Fire Bending, via the intense emotions and emphasis on offense and Vapaad is Water bending, via the super conducting loop being defense turning into offense.
@ObiCumKenobi
@ObiCumKenobi Жыл бұрын
@@Cyclonus5 Iroh did learn to redirect lightning by studying water-bending if I remember correctly
@Cyclonus5
@Cyclonus5 Жыл бұрын
@@ObiCumKenobi Indeed, and the principle of waterbending, i.e. diffusion of an attack using your defense and turning that into an attack, I'd say is a good analogy of the super conducting Loop in principle and in practice is similar to Soresu's Deflecting Slash, while Juyo,, much like Azula's last Agni Kai Fire Bending, sacrifices everything for Offense.
@klapacjuszanimomon8501
@klapacjuszanimomon8501 Жыл бұрын
Thats a great metaphor, really.
@Engine33Truck
@Engine33Truck 13 күн бұрын
I love when two of my favorite franchises find relevance with each other
@kaosdays2146
@kaosdays2146 Жыл бұрын
The fact that Grevious isn’t force sensitive but still so deadly is just terrifying
@xelloskaczor5051
@xelloskaczor5051 8 ай бұрын
Remember HK47 K/D/A Reject the force Enmbrace the machine
@Jonglohn
@Jonglohn 7 ай бұрын
Shouts out Dooku.
@haha-lj5sq
@haha-lj5sq 7 ай бұрын
Cybernetics.
@fn2s145
@fn2s145 2 ай бұрын
​@@xelloskaczor5051HK God tier.
@junglerituals8175
@junglerituals8175 Жыл бұрын
I would pick Niiman as well, but calling it a jack-to-all-trades form is a misnomer since it is a finely elaborated synthesis of other forms intended to serve as the template from which an individual can develop his own style. Its full potential is only realized once you build upon it, so to the ten years needed to master its basic "template" nature, you should add a number of years fusing to it whatever other knowledge you managed to obtain.
@FalconWindblader
@FalconWindblader Жыл бұрын
"a finely elaborated synthesis of other forms intended to serve as the template from which an individual can develop his own style" It's not a misnomer, as that's pretty much what anything labeled jack-of-all-trades is like. tools, tangible or intangible, that practically allow you to do anything, give you a specific edge or strength in nothing, that you have to build your IDENTITY on to make it shine.
@yoloswaggins5385
@yoloswaggins5385 Жыл бұрын
I think cal kestis does a good job of using niman. I think his master obviously used it and him being a padawan obviously knew shi cho and nimam from his master and since thats what he knew best last thats what he rolled with so he uses a blend of form 1 and 6 and blends them with a saber staff and splits it micing some jar kai into it augments all of it with the force. Cal kestis becomes a formidable jedi knight level of combatant by the end of the video game jedi fallen order which is canon. At the beginning of the game he faces off with an inquister and starts off with a form six stance.
@wolffothewolfgod8794
@wolffothewolfgod8794 Жыл бұрын
You might’ve missed that part because towards the end he talks about it’s more of a blank slate to develop your own style
@MADTHEJUDOKA
@MADTHEJUDOKA Жыл бұрын
Going against form five or form seven would be nimans ultimate undoing. Form five focuses on hard, powerful swings and powerful parrying. Wearing down the opponent, forcing a counter strike or flat out overwhelming them. Form six is neither an advantage nor a disadvantage but if there were a disadvantage. It would be within the lightsaber combat itself. There’s a reason from six was called the diplomats form. People who focused less on combat and more on the political aspect of the galaxy.
@FalconWindblader
@FalconWindblader Жыл бұрын
@@MADTHEJUDOKA That really depends. In most cases, form 6 practitioners are hopeless against adepts of any other forms, for its not a form meant for winning fights, just stalling long enough to get out in one piece. BUT, if someone manages to truly build on form 6, making it truly their own, to the point where notable strengths are unnecessary in coming out on top, like how it was with the likes of Revan & Exar Kun, that someone might be just as deadly as practitioners of any other form.
@theranger6411
@theranger6411 Жыл бұрын
There is one Lightsaber technique no one can beat...Plot Armor.
@Just_Pele
@Just_Pele Жыл бұрын
High ground
@And.Forget_
@And.Forget_ Жыл бұрын
Vaapaad
@yes7891
@yes7891 Жыл бұрын
rey
@Enderman121_
@Enderman121_ Жыл бұрын
Is it possible to learn this power
@generalgrievousproductions
@generalgrievousproductions Жыл бұрын
@@Enderman121_ Not from a Jedi
@hyrumkeith8467
@hyrumkeith8467 Жыл бұрын
Soresu fits me best. Meditation combined with combat with pure defense. To survive is the goal. Effective for blaster bolts and lightsabers. Energy efficiency. Guiding the fight to where you want it. Soresu also uses the force for precognition. Eye of the storm and inner peace in battle.
@SergioLeonardoCornejo
@SergioLeonardoCornejo Жыл бұрын
The need for patience in form 1 certainly fits the Jedi quite a lot. The most ideal to teach the ways of the Light Side.
@teleportedbreadfor3days
@teleportedbreadfor3days Жыл бұрын
I’d be willing to put that against Soresu, Form III, though I’m not disagreeing with you.
@PiercetheUnshucked
@PiercetheUnshucked Жыл бұрын
@@teleportedbreadfor3days form 3 not 2
@teleportedbreadfor3days
@teleportedbreadfor3days Жыл бұрын
@@PiercetheUnshucked That’s right, form 2 is Makashi, right?
@dianabarnett6886
@dianabarnett6886 Жыл бұрын
Form 1 is highly underrated. Sometimes, the most simple solution is the best.
@wildfire9280
@wildfire9280 Жыл бұрын
I see no one wants to pick Ataru thanks to Qui Gon…
@danieldavis6288
@danieldavis6288 Жыл бұрын
I like both Makashi and Niman. On the one hand, I see Makashi as the most ideal Saber form with its emphasis on economy and emotional control. Cut your enemies down or dismantle with precision and grace, not sloppy flailing. On the other hand, Niman really does capture the mystical aesthetic of the Jedi.
@russellcunningham2781
@russellcunningham2781 Жыл бұрын
I'd be interested in seeing a comparison between forms 1 and 7. It seems they both require an attunement to the flow of the Force in battle, but in distinct ways.
@Cyclonus5
@Cyclonus5 Жыл бұрын
So I personally believe Form 1 inspired every form, with Shii-Cho's "Emotional Heat" being the starting point for Juyo and then zigging where Niman zagged. My personal experience is limited but Juyo is my end goal and what I've noticed is that Shii-Cho is like running with a dog on a leash, Juyo is being pulled by a dog sled in both good and bad ways.
@Masra94
@Masra94 Жыл бұрын
Form 1 is like training the simple stuff so many times that it becomes as easy as breathing and so people who use Form 1 at the highest level are neutral in the force, just kind of riding the whirlwind. Form 7 is using your own emotions and the dark side. Using Form 7 as a Jedi is like being a ruthless soldier who is completely controlled at all times. It's extremely difficult because while a Form 1 user is riding the whirlwind of both light and dark, basically the raw Force, a Form 7 user is like trying to stay still in a hurricane.
@Cyclonus5
@Cyclonus5 Жыл бұрын
@@Masra94 I'd say Ideal Form I is the basics. Live Combat Form I is more dynamic and I think more subject to personalization with some over lap into every other Form, save perhaps Niman.
@kachirro
@kachirro Жыл бұрын
@@Masra94 seems like Juyo is a mix of 1, 3, 5, 6 then wear a blindfold and pretend to be a child swinging at pinatas.
@Masra94
@Masra94 Жыл бұрын
@@kachirro Juyo is more like Form IV it's just not relying on pure speed but being unpredictable, super aggressive and almost no defense. Form IV uses a lot of speed and simple movements because it was meant to be used with Form III. You conserve energy as much as possible and then you go super fast to overwhelm people who can't really fight back. Which works 90% of the time, except when the other guy can't be overwhelmed and then you have limited stamina to keep using Form IV, so you have to change form or tactics. Juyo uses a lot of unpredictable movements and it looks like the other guy is moving randomly. You move forward, do a bunch of strikes in rehearsed bursts that just look super fast and random. So watching someone using Juyo is like watching like a wolverine or something. He'll fight, lash out super fast, stop and start in weird motions and so you can't really predict it. Plus the momentum is being driven by negative force energy and emotions so you're fighting a really calm berserker. If Juyo is based off of anything, it's Form II and Form IV because it's very technical like Form II but also focused on super aggression like Form IV. Also, just add that on top of Juyo insanity, they will also like Form IV use force speed, they just don't rely on it. Juyo is like Form IV but as a fully functioning martial art with its own rules, while Form IV is more like a toolset for different situations.
@MrSpookersMcGeeThe1st
@MrSpookersMcGeeThe1st Жыл бұрын
Dude, I was literally just rewatching this series. I just started form five when you posted this 😁
@patrickmartin4600
@patrickmartin4600 Жыл бұрын
What series...?
@snazzyfox1137
@snazzyfox1137 Жыл бұрын
@@patrickmartin4600 the video was originally released as a series of smaller videos dedicated to each form, this one's the combo of all of them
@MrSpookersMcGeeThe1st
@MrSpookersMcGeeThe1st Жыл бұрын
@@snazzyfox1137 Thanks for clarifying 🙂
@danhaggerty847
@danhaggerty847 Жыл бұрын
Gonna have to go with Niman, being more open to the force while being able to channel any of the forms with one or both of your sabers is just to good. Imagine a jedi who truly mastered forms 3,5 and 6.
@FalconWindblader
@FalconWindblader Жыл бұрын
If you manage to master 6, you would have mastered 3 & 5, or rather, mastery in those other forms would have been unnecessary.
@zetamk266
@zetamk266 Жыл бұрын
@@FalconWindblader not really it takes parts from each form. You’d still haft to master the other forms.
@FalconWindblader
@FalconWindblader Жыл бұрын
@@zetamk266 Hell no! Form 6 is the ONLY one where the USER gets to DEFINE what the form is like for them, & more importantly, what WORKS for them. THAT is what makes mastery of form 6 so damn difficult, NOT that the user has to master the forms that come before. In fact, all the basics from the other forms laid out in form 6 are only meant to give practitioners somewhere to START, & NOT saying that they need to know how to do literally everything.
@nicholasschmelzer9943
@nicholasschmelzer9943 Жыл бұрын
It is worth noting that all practitioners of Niman who participated in the Battle of Geonosis perished. If, as Geestly suggests, most users use Form VI as a crutch, then its philosophical strength becomes a practical weakness. In my mind, Cal Cestis is a good portrait of a Niman practitioner: he starts out using his training without focus, and it is through repeated meditation and combat, along with his character growth, that he makes the Form his own. That is the mark of a Niman master; not someone who can use bits and pieces of the others Forms, but someone who expresses their worldview, personality, and strengths viscerally in the heart of conflict.
@l.f.a.m8020
@l.f.a.m8020 8 ай бұрын
​@@nicholasschmelzer9943they perished because going to Geonosis as some sort of soldier wasnt and isnt the Jedi way. A form VI user in my opinion walks his/her own path.
@thomasjenkins5727
@thomasjenkins5727 Жыл бұрын
Form I: Helps you gain balance. Form II: Tests the balance you have gained. While these two have combat applications, they are best as training exercises. Form III: Embodies the center of your balance. Form IV: Embodies the boundaries of your balance. Quintessential defense and offensive forms, one for de-escalation, the other for threat removal. Form V: Unifies your balance, center and boundaries together. Form VI: Unifies your entire understanding of the Force. These are elevated forms, and demonstrate bringing your ability to new heights, by embodying the totality of your mastery. Form VII: Achieved through surrender to the Force. In this form, your balance is the Force's balance, and the Force is not in balance. I think Form VI is incomplete. It needs Forms II and VII to be added to it in order to properly be itself. So, I guess that's the answer of what I would seek. I would attempt to learn all forms, and embody them all in an improved Form VI.
@crystallee688
@crystallee688 Жыл бұрын
Form zero: Suicide
@wanderdragon1075
@wanderdragon1075 Жыл бұрын
Interesting thought. I wonder if this was similar to Cin Drallig’s outlook
@FalconWindblader
@FalconWindblader Жыл бұрын
There's no 'complete' form vi. it's a form, very much like form i, that gives you a bunch of simple tools & it's up to you to build upon them, learn to use them in YOUR OWN way. form ii is entirely unnecessary as it's THE most restrictive form of all 7 that's good for only one thing, & whatever needed could be covered by study of 3, 4, 5 anyway, but if that's what floats your boat, feel free. as for adding form vii, that's entirely optional as well, as with form ii. form vi is a form that is basically, well, formless, to begin with, & unlike the others, it's ESSENTIAL that you build YOUR OWN form vi, throw whatever you know & you can into it, & make it work just for YOU, or it just ain't gonna work well. while all other forms discourage individuality, form vi is the only one NECESSITATING the user to project said individuality into it, otherwise, again, it just ain't gonna work well.
@540VarialHunter
@540VarialHunter Жыл бұрын
@@crystallee688 I assume you know what Form 0 is and are making a joke? In which case: HA HA!
@friscokid21
@friscokid21 Жыл бұрын
Ive often wondered which style(s) of lightsaber form legendary martial artists like Bruce Lee and Huo Yuanjia would prefer/utilize most or what style/form they would come up with to fit their own fighting style..
@mrmacura3421
@mrmacura3421 Жыл бұрын
I feel like it is best to consider one's role in the Jedi Order first before chosing a form. I would likely choose Soresu, because I would rather take on diplomatic or educational missions than the tasks of a Guardian
@FalconWindblader
@FalconWindblader Жыл бұрын
That ain't gonna work. younglings study bladework from young, & it would take them like at least 10 years before they even know if they're gonna be able to get to stay in the order, let alone having a specific role. all those years would have been wasted if one has to wait for that many years before choosing a form to study.
@corymccarty8603
@corymccarty8603 Жыл бұрын
I would also point out that Obi-wan was considered a Jedi Guardian... and he was THE Master of Soresu. Not A Master... THE Master. Nobody ever did it better than Obi-wan. Of course he also had an advantage in that he could work in an effective offense if needs be due to his early lessons in Shii Cho, and eventually Ataru under the instruction of his Master Qui-Gon Jin. So while as a Jedi Knight and eventually Master who preferred Soresu, he had other options when the situation called for it. If diplomacy and education were your primary focus it would be more likely that Niman would be your style of choice. It's less intensive focus made it easy to learn it well enough to deal with most situations, though admittedly if you didn't pour too deeply into your study you would find yourself outmatched in heavy or more focused combat. Not a big problem in a diplomatic situation though... heavy and focused combat was more the purview of Guardians and Sentinels.
@kaosdays2146
@kaosdays2146 Жыл бұрын
Ataru is the perfect form for Yoda it helps him be agile despite his age and his use of the force just enhances his ability. Idk why people think it would be out of character for him
@ericschuller908
@ericschuller908 Жыл бұрын
Djem So is a good basis for actual swordsmanship in real-life. I've spent the last six years using it as the base for my own swordsmanship. Since my right leg was permanently injured due to chronic over-exertion from power lifting along with numerous accumulated injuries, I needed a style that wasn't highly mobile. And since I still had plenty of raw power from my days lifting, a power-oriented fighting style was what I needed. Additionally, the style has been excellent for my mental health, as I suffer from PTSD and often feel rooted in place by fear and anxiety. By practicing a form that allows for good defense while still pressing forward, the style has been a catalyst for my ability to push past my trauma while still allowing me to feel guarded and keeping my walls up when I need them. It's a very stamina-taxing style, as using it relies more heavily on the upper body than most sword techniques. Due to still possessing a good measure of my former strength, I don't need to build up my slashes with wide sweeps, thus allowing me a tighter defense while still generating the necessary momentum for attacks and counters. And since the style isn't very mobile, it doesn't agitate my injured leg. Hell, it's one of the few times where I can exert myself for long periods without needing my leg brace or requiring a long rest after.
@michaelramirez6877
@michaelramirez6877 3 ай бұрын
Im curious about such activities in which you may be practicing your own swordsmanship in..
@ericschuller908
@ericschuller908 3 ай бұрын
@@michaelramirez6877, I mostly just practice on my own. I can't really spar as much without risk of damaging my right leg even more than I already have. For me, the practice is its own form of fulfillment, giving me something I can lose myself to. It's a form of moving meditation for me, as it leans into all of my remaining physical strengths and calms me through the rhythm of moving through the sequences. I've been teaching my wife the style when she has the time and I've been helping my mom stay active by teaching her as well since she retired.
@sheevpalpatine2128
@sheevpalpatine2128 Жыл бұрын
I made up Form VIII, it requires alot of spinning. Its a good trick. 👍
@MrSasukeSusanoo
@MrSasukeSusanoo Жыл бұрын
does it also require being the senate to properly use it?
@nwebb
@nwebb Жыл бұрын
“All the ferocity of a coked up house cat battling a raccoon” metaphor of the year right there. Absolutely perfect description 👌
@Greyknightenjoyer
@Greyknightenjoyer Жыл бұрын
I would use shi Cho it was so simple yet effective easy to learn but hard to master also it can be seen when kit fisto duels general grievous and he actually wins also because it is more abstract
@forsagebone
@forsagebone Жыл бұрын
I like both Soresu and Niman, but I'd most likely train more in form 6. I've always liked being a "jack-of-all-trades" kind of person.
@TheMikeylikey2
@TheMikeylikey2 3 ай бұрын
Niman is form 6
@justinweber4977
@justinweber4977 Жыл бұрын
I remember reading about different Kenjutsu styles at one point, and Shii-Cho reminds me a lot of how Jigen-Ryu was described. Taking from the idea that fine motor skills are the first thing to go in the stress and adrenaline of a real fight, it focused/focuses on one or two big swings, and the development of the trainee's stamina and strength to overpower and outlast the other guy.
@scribblerstudios9895
@scribblerstudios9895 10 ай бұрын
Iirc, the majority of lightsaber combat forms were built off a mix of greatsword/kenjutsu techniques. Only form 2 was majorly different, being built more off typical rapier fencing. (Christopher Lee, aka count dooku, was a trained fencer iirc as well)
@christopherdunn8767
@christopherdunn8767 10 ай бұрын
​@@scribblerstudios9895 That makes sense. I have a small amount of greatsword fencing under my belt, and Shii-Cho reminds me of Lichtenauer school greatsword fencing, in the "simple yet effective strikes with mixup potential" aspect and the premise of forcing your enemy to give you ground by maintaining your movements and attacks without pause. Ideally, as well, each stroke should also be both a parry and a sidestep to your opponent's attacks, which is a very Form 5 "defend by attacking" mentality.
@InternetShis
@InternetShis Жыл бұрын
It's cool that Dooku is a master of a form based on exploiting his opponent's passion, making him a perfect counter for Anakin and a good character foil. A Jedi Knight falling to the dark side, and a Sith Lord falling back on his Jedi training.
@jodhaaakbarfantuomey8103
@jodhaaakbarfantuomey8103 Жыл бұрын
First of all, I think this is probably the best video and resource bout lightsaber forms ever made. Bravo, be very proud! I've said it before and I'll say it forever, Niman is the ultimate form for me precisely because as you said, "It can be anything." To me, that's what a Jedi should strive for, to be what is needed. They should be what they have to be to protect the beings of the Galaxy. Whether it means a fighter, a diplomat, a healer, a teacher, Jedi should be what the Force guides them to be, and Niman is the bases of a fighting style to live up to that.
@UnswimmingFishYT
@UnswimmingFishYT Жыл бұрын
Convenient to have the whole series put into one place for those who want to sit through all of it at once, without having to load seven videos.
@bancholeo55
@bancholeo55 Жыл бұрын
I love how the progression of the lightsaber forms were presented and it was a wonderful video altogether! Form 1 was conceived during the inception of weaponry being advanced past metal forms. Form 2 was an answer to Form 1's development and to counter its basic precepts as a dueling form. Form 3 was an answer to Form 2's blaster-deflecting weakness. Form 4 was a step away from Form 3's defensive mentality and more towards pure offense and fluidity. Form 5 (which was also developed alongside Form 4) aimed to strike a balance between Form 2's offensive focus and Form 3's defensive mentality without focusing excessively into either direction. Form 6 sought to bring forth a culmination of Form 1, 3, 4, and 5's basic concepts into a form that allows one to imprint their own flavor into it. Form 7 essentially takes the idea of giving one's self into the force to fuel their offense (proposed by Form 1 and subsequently explored by Form 4) and expands upon it even further.
@Husster72
@Husster72 Жыл бұрын
Im drawn to Niman the most, a form that with time and diligence becomes a perfect expression of who the practitioner is on a fundamental level.
@nogitsune4452
@nogitsune4452 Жыл бұрын
Niman philosophy interests me because it's "personalized" so to speak. A fighting style that's allows some expression and creativity, a true artform. While I do adore Soresu, I imagine it can be very suffocating if you're feeling overwhelmed and doubt creeps in. Niman would actively engage my imagination, constantly thinking more creatively with a wider skillset of offensive and defensive training as well as incorporating more telekinetics.
@VirusEclipse
@VirusEclipse 8 ай бұрын
32:38 "All the ferocity of a coked up house cat fighting a raccoon." bro lmao
@FinrodFelagundTheFair
@FinrodFelagundTheFair 3 ай бұрын
I prefer the analogy of "He fights like a wolverine on ketamine."
@TheGreatPrimo
@TheGreatPrimo Жыл бұрын
Ah Darth Kreia she really is one of the best star wars characters by sheer knowledge and understanding alone.
@jj_grabes
@jj_grabes Жыл бұрын
What're everyone's favorite lightsaber forms? Mine are probably (1) Shien/Djem So, (2) Niman, (3) Soresu. I love the balance Djem So has between Soresu and Ataru while being a very counter-based fighting technique equipped both to deal with ranged and melee combatants. Plus you have people like Anakin Skywalker who can overcome the mobility issues of the form and make a truly amazing fighting technique that even the likes of Count Dooku cannot stand up to. Niman's an interesting choice since it's in my experience considered the weak link of the forms. I like the jack-of-all-trades nature of it because if you're as dedicated as someone like Exar Kun, you can truly take the form's versatility to its peak and make a near-unstoppable fighting form. Soresu's efficiency and near-perfect defense makes for a perfect way to fight not to kill, waiting for your opponent to tire or make a mistake to be exploited. You can also even use this to conserve your own strength and learn more about your opponent or so much more
@danieldavis6288
@danieldavis6288 Жыл бұрын
Mine are Makashi and Niman. I'm admittedly a sucker for aesthetic, and there is solid appeal in these two for that. The notes about Dooku and Anakin are well received, but generally people disregard that Palpatine tricked Dooku there. He told him to go easy on the lad. It was a trap. Beyond that, Dooku was also an aging latecomer to the the dark side and so was impaired by dark side degradation. It was hardly an even match, I would therefore see that scene and counter with the more even match up of Dooku vs Yoda. As for Niman, I see it as the peace time aesthetic ideal for the Jedi. Like the lightsaber wielded equivalent of alchaka. For the Chad Rockstar representative, I would humbly direct you to the Danzig of the Darkside. Exar Kun 😉
@serinahighcomasi2248
@serinahighcomasi2248 Жыл бұрын
Makashi and Soresu. I have to admit I’m a sucker for energy-efficient Forms, both for elegant offense and stalwart defense.
@teleportedbreadfor3days
@teleportedbreadfor3days Жыл бұрын
My favorite is Soresu. As far as I’m concerned, that form is most befitting a Jedi. After all, a Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never attack.
@EmperorTyrael
@EmperorTyrael Жыл бұрын
2003 Clone Wars General Grievous.
@jj_grabes
@jj_grabes Жыл бұрын
@@serinahighcomasi2248 You and I both. It's why I like Niman.
@Lennis01
@Lennis01 Жыл бұрын
I've gotta go with Form VII. It gives you furious speed without having to resort to the risky acrobatics of Form IV. More important, its quick staccato motions makes it very unpredictable in the hands of a skilled, and thinking, user. Unpredictability trumps everything in a lightsaber fight.
@NocturnalNightingale
@NocturnalNightingale Жыл бұрын
I really like Niman the most. For its jack of all trades in its most basic levels is something I like about it a lot. But further having it as a template form to customize it further without really taking away from its basics gives it a lot of utility. I'd combine its ability for high specialization for dual wielding with equipping both a lightsaber and a blaster pistol. In Rebels it was shown that lightsaber wielders, namely the Grand Inquisitor, was put on the wrong foot when Kanan uses Ezra's lightsaber's ranged attack, giving him some advantage during the following dual. I'd utilize standard lightsaber combat with unpredictable intervals with a blaster pistol. I'd also use Niman's unfocussed nature to randomize attack patterns of all other Forms to some degree, changing the way I fight whenever it doesn't work. (But I'm saying all of this but imagine getting cut down within a second because I never focused on anything, giving me a lot of weaknesses lmao) Also, Niman is written as Niman on the screen when it comes along
@jfb173jb
@jfb173jb Жыл бұрын
I'm with you there. I thought of something different I'm doing for a Star Wars FF. The OC I made has a talent for Niman, mostly because it's the style I found interesting and I got it when I did a bunch of form quizzes. There's a type of saber known as broad sabers, and I'm planning to use those. With an interesting design being that they are emitted from a pair of hilts that can shift into pistols. The type Sabine uses.
@NocturnalNightingale
@NocturnalNightingale Жыл бұрын
@@jfb173jb Oh that's awesome. Always loved the style of those Westar blasters the Mandalorians used. Great concept for your OC!
@jfb173jb
@jfb173jb Жыл бұрын
@@NocturnalNightingale there's another factor I went for with the OC. Aside from eventually mastering Niman, I wanted him to do something similar to my job. And exploration corps fits that. I'm an archaeologist and I've done digs in various parts of the world. Also, I thought of 2 ways to incorporate form 2 into Niman. 1st, pinpoint small blows with the force. But in ways you wouldn't expect like a concentrated pulse from the eyes. 2nd, the blasters. You could use accurate shots to disable, disarm, or otherwise defeat an opponent.
@danieldavis6288
@danieldavis6288 Жыл бұрын
For peak obscurity, how about a breakdown of combat techniques beyond the 7 Jedi styles, such as the Jensaarai combat style Rek'dul?
@Nuetral768
@Nuetral768 Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see you do a video on how the often unknown mechanics of lightsabers influenced and in particular cases necessitated the use of more controversial sword techniques (particularly the balancing of the blade that is responsible for so few lightsabers to ever see use in untrained hands, and the impact of improperly balancing the saber as seen in The Return of the Jedi when Luke deals his finishing blows to Vader and the saber bounces off the railing instead of cutting through it)... few people realize how incredibly difficult just wielding a lightsaber was without the force and forms guiding the practitioner.
@sensaiuriah5440
@sensaiuriah5440 7 ай бұрын
It bounced because they used metal poles as the sabers. Not because he misaligned the nun existent edge 😂
@joematthews4952
@joematthews4952 Жыл бұрын
I would look to master Form II Makashi as my primary form. Lightsaber combat is where it is at and, as a fencer myself, it is the form that would come most naturally to me. I would also work to maintain a strong proficiency in Form V, the Shien varient, which I would fall back into against blaster wielding opponents.
@corymccarty8603
@corymccarty8603 Жыл бұрын
Good call on Shien. Makashi is nice if you expect to be facing a lot of Lightsaber wielding opponents but it isn't all that great for anything else. The whole reason Makashi's popularity declined was because as the Sith order collapsed and went extinct (into hiding) the likelihood of facing an opponent wielding a Lightsaber became less and less likely, hence the rise of the other Lightsaber Forms. Shien's ability to efficiently defend and turn a blaster bolt back the one who fired it would serve very well.
@Haru-spicy
@Haru-spicy Жыл бұрын
Niman might be best summarized as the "strategist" form. Generals, leaders, politicians, anyone who values versatility will find use in Niman. If Sun Tzu had a lightsaber, he'd use Niman.
@zexalbrony4799
@zexalbrony4799 Жыл бұрын
Cool, a compilation video of several previous videos. I know other KZfaqrs have done that before, but this is the first time Geetsly has so awesome. :) Hey maybe we can get more of these, like a compilation of all the battles of the Clone Wars, or at least the Outer Rim Sieges.
@cherrybramble
@cherrybramble Жыл бұрын
absolutely loving these long format videos. I hope they do well, because seeing more of these is awesome. ofc, take your time and rest when you need!! there's no long format geetsly's video if there's no geetsly's, and your good health is integral for quality. always take care of yourself!
@SilverZenCompass
@SilverZenCompass Жыл бұрын
Soresu and Shii Cho are my favorite, partially because of Obi-wan (for Soresu) partly because the original trilogy had very beautifully deliberate choreography and partly because of Shii Cho utilizing the will of the force and the defense of Soresu can tire out an enemy without needing to kill them
@Leo-ok3uj
@Leo-ok3uj Жыл бұрын
I feel that Ataru is the weakest of all forms, is the “spinning is a nice trick” form
@dianabarnett6886
@dianabarnett6886 Жыл бұрын
I think Ataru is weak as a separate style, but when incorporated into another, it becomes useful applied knowledge.
@Leo-ok3uj
@Leo-ok3uj Жыл бұрын
@@dianabarnett6886 Yeah, I can see that If you want shot you in the leg that’s on you I guess
@wildfire9280
@wildfire9280 Жыл бұрын
It is though! …Not the part where you get stabbed.
@sparking023
@sparking023 Жыл бұрын
it probably shines the most with an extreme use of acrobatics, as show by Master Yoda. he's already a small target and now you're fighting a green blur jumping around you and giggling like a gremlin
@MrSasukeSusanoo
@MrSasukeSusanoo Жыл бұрын
I mean you have to take into account that as a force usser you can spin at the speed of light if you're profficient enough, I doubt a normal grounded combatant could defeat a spin at the speed of light xD, sure if the ataru usser is fighting against an equal opponent then being careless with your spins would get you killed, if not quickly worn out after all that acrobatics
@wannabeslav
@wannabeslav Жыл бұрын
I'd most definitely use a mix of form V, both Shien and Djem So, though mostly Djem So, mixed with Juyo. The combination of defense through offensive mixed with misdirection is an incredibly powerful and hard to master combination
@davidordaz5251
@davidordaz5251 Жыл бұрын
An hour video didn’t expect that from geetsly
@Leo-ok3uj
@Leo-ok3uj Жыл бұрын
Technically is just a compilation, but yeah, unexpected
@MADTHEJUDOKA
@MADTHEJUDOKA Жыл бұрын
Form five and form seven. There both such aggressive forms, that they compliment each other so well.
@zyggybaranowski6852
@zyggybaranowski6852 Жыл бұрын
Shii Cho is my favorite for it's ability to be personalized. It's simplicity allowed for minor differences in technique to arise amongst its users. Shii Cho was usable for both strength and speed based swordsmen, meaning you weren't limited in it's usage by your body. Yoda could not properly utilize Djem So due to his size, while Ataru was poorly suited to species whose bodies weren't capable of acrobatics. Shii Cho could be customized to suite it's user, and could be bolstered by other forms. A Shii Cho base form combined with Soresu or Shine specialization would make a wielder almost invulnerable in a situation where they are outnumbered.
@sparking023
@sparking023 Жыл бұрын
My favorites gotta be form 3 and 4. Sorisu because to me it matches the stance of the Jedi as defenders, and an impenetrable wall of defense can also be a show of great strength (also I'm a major Kenobi fan, fight me XD ). Ataru because Master Yoda probably has one of the most unique fighting styles, turning his small stature into an actual advantage. Smaller hitbox and moving hella fast
@alpd5329
@alpd5329 Жыл бұрын
I always wondered about combining Makashi and Soresu. They would complete each other lol. One against lightsaber and single opponent, the other one against blaster and multiple opponent. And both are energy saving forms so you could save all your energy to use the force when necessary
@antwan1357
@antwan1357 Жыл бұрын
Geetsly + jedi knowledge = entertaining video
@Just_Pele
@Just_Pele Жыл бұрын
I think there's some misunderstanding with Vaapad. Yes, it strays to the edge of the dark side, but it uses an opponent's aggression against them without harnessing your own. Yes, a practitioner feels the thrill of the fight, the glory in winning, but they don't directly use those emotions in their strikes. Instead, they reflect all of their enemy's darkness back at them. That's the danger with Vaapad, the temptation of indulging in your own primal rage, and apparently it is too much for Jedi to handle. Mace Windu only ever achieved "true Vaapad" once, and it was against Sidious, he completely let go and deflected all of the Sith's hate, but at the cost of his composure, and he attempted to kill Sidious in the end.
@tonywright9906
@tonywright9906 Жыл бұрын
In which he should have. Sith are the sworn enemy of the Jedi. He should have been killed with extreme prejudice. He was truly too dangerous to be left alive.
@greatazuredragon
@greatazuredragon Жыл бұрын
Great work. And Soresu is still my favorite form.
@Bulwark515
@Bulwark515 Жыл бұрын
I’ve always thought that master form VI Niman with dual wield blades would be awesome! If adding a force ability, I’d choose Shatter Point. Being able to have an impenetrable defense and seeing an opponents weakness. Then using a precise counter strike to end the fight in one motion! Not to mention being able to focus more on force powers/alchemy such as thag of Zannah and Revan!
@christophersandidge8257
@christophersandidge8257 Жыл бұрын
I would try to master them all, which would really make me a Niman practitioner, but I think if you mastered forms 2, 3, and 5, you'd have all your bases covered. Flips look great, but unless you're actually a competitive gymnast, they're usually inefficient in actual combat.
@jocoolshow
@jocoolshow Жыл бұрын
You’re talking about superhumans who can perform extreme acrobatics as easy as breathing I think 3-4-5 is the complete set of offense, defense, and maneuverability
@sarethuskami5082
@sarethuskami5082 Жыл бұрын
Form 2 , 3 and 5 are my perfect combination as well and the style of my Sith Warrior in SWTOR (RP).
@tristynbishop6158
@tristynbishop6158 Жыл бұрын
First comment Normal Jedi: let us use normal forms because we're idiots Mace Windu: I will use dark side elements without becoming a Sith and it'll win battles
@ryankyle2467
@ryankyle2467 4 ай бұрын
23:15- I love this Form for many reasons!!! And that is why I chose to learn Form 3 for myself and lightsaber/sword fighting!!! And for anyone wondering yes, the lightsabers you can buy for combat can take massive blows without breaking! And also yes, they hurt like hell when you get hit by one! And that’s if your opponent isn’t swinging for the fences!?! If they are, depending on where they hit you they could break bones!!!
@Autumnz2005
@Autumnz2005 Жыл бұрын
Really happy to see another very long video from you! These are amazing and super detailed, keep it up!
@Nihoolious
@Nihoolious Жыл бұрын
If used at its highest potential, Form 7 is undeniably the best form. Unpredictable maneuvers as the whole force is channeled through you. While a true Form 3 master cannot be defeated in combat, a true Form 7 master defeats all who stand against them.
@goldenapplesaga5446
@goldenapplesaga5446 Жыл бұрын
After listening to all 7 videos individually on multiple occasions and listening to this hour long summary dozens of times already, I think I think I'd either go with Duel-Weilding version of Niiman, a saber staffed version of Makashi, or (what I would prefer greatest) a Duel-Weilding version of Vapaad. Solely because of the fact that it allows you to enjoy a fight, which would be extremely high on my priority list
@2urh
@2urh Жыл бұрын
31:19 the moment he said "tight spaces" while showing Qui-Gon getting parried, gave me old childhood trauma while "Say Something" played in my head 😭😭
@seanbreen7556
@seanbreen7556 Жыл бұрын
I like the flexibility of Niman. You could adjust to any opponent or multiple opponents. Its all about balance. Offense and defense in equal form. Like Revan said, it could be anything. It all depends on what you put in. Plus the fact that its hardest to identify it would be difficult for an opponent to pin down and counter.
@Hive-Mind-BBX
@Hive-Mind-BBX Жыл бұрын
The funny thing about reverse grip, is that is actually more dangerous to the user than the opponent, the only time it's actually an advantage is when you are already within super-close knife fighting distance, where grappling is just as important as the fact that you have a weapon, the only other instances where it is useful, is when your enemy is behind you, and even then, they need to be close. In all other instances, you are making your guard weaker, covering yourself less effectively, losing the vast majority of your reach, making it harder to get any kind of effective attacking motion, and allowing your opponent to hit your own weapon back into your arm. Skallagram and various practitioners of Bladework, including HEMA practitioners, have made many videos covering this. So, anyone out there wanting to copy XYZ movie, TV show, or videogame badass who uses reverse hand, please, practice with something that won't cut your arm up first, note every instance where someone manages to screw you over in combat because of anything listed above, and you'll soon realise it is an almost useless idea.
@RRVCrinale
@RRVCrinale Жыл бұрын
Picturing myself in the Star Wars universe, I see myself achieving the dream of being a pilot, a real speed freak. They're needed in Jedi circles, as the Delta and Eta series fighters would tell you. Pure performance, like a racer would want. So you'd think I'd be all Ataru and flying on the ground like in my fighter, right? Uh-uh. Djem So as hopefully a gateway to Niman would be my pick. A thing you learn when you study fighter combat is that the easiest kills are done by picking your fatal stroke in the middle of a high-speed pass or a massive enough burst when you're on target. Every hit must be a knockdown blow and you can't afford to waste a single spark of energy. Even missiles work best when you give them as much help kinetically as possible through positioning for maximum impact and minimal energy expenditure. Efficient, effective, ideally over in a few overwhelming strokes. Djem So. Niman? Well, it'd be a mark of mastery of the lightsaber, oneness with the Force...and there's nothing like channeling the Light like a sidearm in tight spaces, like getting in and out of a cockpit in tough spots like the _Invisible Hand_ raid.
@HUGESNOOK
@HUGESNOOK Жыл бұрын
I'd definitely shift between a Jar'kai-flavored Ataru, and either Shien or Soresu; I've done gymnastics, boxing, and Shotokan for a while now, and the idea of being mobile, having good defense, and knowing when to conserve energy and when to unload it fits my operating style. Although, avoiding fights above all else is the goal, so I'm not sure if that has to do with fighting form or just being a level-headed jedi 🤔
@bhikshujesh939
@bhikshujesh939 Жыл бұрын
Ik I'm late here but this is lovely. I love forms 1 and 4, I completely agree they are the most Jedi like but also how I feel the light side itself would want Jedi to fight. After all all things are one ine the force
@ChapterGrim
@ChapterGrim Жыл бұрын
The reverse grip thing wouldn't create more powerful blows, that's simply not how leverage works, but it does look cool as heck... 😅
@KirbyBWebb
@KirbyBWebb Жыл бұрын
FANTASTIC MAN ! In-depth and illuminates! MORE LIKE THIS PLEASE 🤓✌️🪐🛸
@escuadrunk2650
@escuadrunk2650 Жыл бұрын
In the last 10 years I've started to really get into SW and I appreciate all the hard work channels like this do and how knowledgeable they are and the comments as well
@darylsdesigns6679
@darylsdesigns6679 Жыл бұрын
I’d personally use Form VI Niman, elevating it to the degree of practitioners like Exar Kun and Darth Krayt. I firmly consider myself a jack-to-all-trades individual, not a true master of any one area, but sufficiently well versed in several. I would also back this up with training in traditional Jar’Kai, in the form of a standard lightsaber and a shoto. I wouldn’t specialize in Jar’Kai like Ahsoka Tano or Asajj Ventress, but would use if I fought multiple enemies or to catch a single foe off guard.
@hamishbartholomaeus
@hamishbartholomaeus Жыл бұрын
To specialise in Jar’Kai you really need to have a fair bit of bulldog about you!!! It is an absolute mindset of “grab them by the belt buckle and don’t let go till one of you is done, no matter what!!” There is a touch of the beserker about it, because there has to be. Using a second sword as your shield is a bold manoeuvre as an everyday stance.
@Gabronthe
@Gabronthe Жыл бұрын
This was a fantastic video to watch and I'm grateful for it.
@herpderp5727
@herpderp5727 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this philosophical breakdown of each of the seven forms! Any chance you would be interested in covering other fighting styles like Teras Kasi, Stava or the Echani martial arts? Also, what lightsaber form would you pick?
@tonywright9906
@tonywright9906 Жыл бұрын
Teras Kasi is my favorite. And combines well with Ataru Niman and Juyo.
@herpderp5727
@herpderp5727 Жыл бұрын
@@tonywright9906 Same. Darth Maul is an example of someone who uses all the forms you just described.
@svilendenchev9984
@svilendenchev9984 Жыл бұрын
I'd probably go for both variants of form 5 and form 4 to supplement it with some more offense
@mixedbeatz16
@mixedbeatz16 Жыл бұрын
Soresu is my favorite. I feel like if Kenobi was a master of any other form, he would not have bested Darth Vader in their first duel.
@christophergillette7167
@christophergillette7167 Жыл бұрын
Excellent series. Great to see it in one place. I love the cold, cerebral precision of Form 2, but I would personally use Form 3. I like the idea of making myself basically untouchable, giving opportunity to reason with the opponent, or possibly talking them down. Or, that failing, simply lasting long enough for reinforcements, who would likely force a surrender.
@andrewharris7517
@andrewharris7517 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic and Informative video. I practice the Art of Kendo because of Star Wars.And these forms are very similar to Kendo . I became familiar with the lightsaber forms after reading Jedi Path.
@lordbalthosadinferni4384
@lordbalthosadinferni4384 Жыл бұрын
I think that since each form adopted various parts of some of the previous forms, I would ideally begin with Form I and proceed through each one afterwards. This is partly to emphasize the philosophy of each form and the different ways in which it can be used. In particular, by the time I reached Form VI, every fundamental it is built on would be very familiar. This would have three major downsides. Firstly, time. Even with Form VI being the longest to master, at ten years, seven combat forms is a lot of time investment. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 to 60 years. Maybe 30 for a prodigal student. Second, time management. Each form must still be practiced for the user to remain in optimal fighting form. Not just techniques, but philosophy too. Training and meditation will take increasingly lengthy amounts of time each day. Thirdly and lastly, each philosophical change will be difficult. It's not easy to resist years of training, especially if you wish not to suppress and destroy it completely. Changing your way of thinking on a significant level is also an intensive and lengthy introspective process. Each change in form would be an exhausting test of discipline. Plus, after mastering forms I and II, one would need to practice using them not only alone but also together; all without losing focus on learning the new form properly in both body and mind. Then do it again with Form III. And so on. However, each of these problems has a silver lining as well. First, time. You spend 60+ years learning how to control not only yourself in combat, but the combat itself, you're gonna be damned good at it. Secondly, time management. You spend 60+ years practicing lightsaber combat while also in the field, you're going to have require as much extra time as possible to study your arts, and you will operate more efficiently. Thirdly and lastly, learning and adopting the philosophy of the forms in order will decrease your chances of falling to the dark side with each new form, which will be helpful for forms V through VII. And each time you successfuly move on to and adapt to a new form, it will be easier than the last (though never without great effort; applying that effort will just be easier and more efficient). TL;DR: All of them, in order.
@lobaoguara2332
@lobaoguara2332 Жыл бұрын
I've always been a fan of Makashi due to Count Dooku being my favorite duelist in the entire franchise but knowing my love of martial arts and the beauty of combat, I would probably look into specializing in Niman and to be able to understand all the languages of all the warriors that I had to face.
@bloodchron1880
@bloodchron1880 11 ай бұрын
This was an absolute amazing video I loved this.
@John-qy8qd
@John-qy8qd Жыл бұрын
Shi Cho is taught as basic knife combat skills in a military setting. You have an 8 pointed star, a cross and an ❌. Once you master the 4 to 8 movements you can progressively build on the grid.
@thegamingassassin454
@thegamingassassin454 Жыл бұрын
Such an interesting video! Thank you for this knowledge! Such an interesting history with each style
@Banchoking
@Banchoking Жыл бұрын
I feel forms 2 and 3 would suit me best as they focus on economy of motion to conserve energy and directly address each other's weaknesses.
@RedSox3149
@RedSox3149 Жыл бұрын
Love to see longer videos from Geetslys
@BorgztheDutchCyborg
@BorgztheDutchCyborg Жыл бұрын
6 is my jam. A purple full blade with curved hilt and a yellow shoto held backhanded, weaving, humming and flashing as however is needed
@jakrabbit777
@jakrabbit777 10 ай бұрын
It makes my heart happy that you quote Kreia throughout. ❤️
@HadaHarabaz
@HadaHarabaz Жыл бұрын
In the Star Wars Saga Edition campaigns I played, both my Jedi were mainly Double Lightsaber weilding Ataru practitioners that would also rely the on the Deflecting and Blocking techniques strengthened by Shii-cho. I try not to redo builds but the vastly different backstories of the characters and the strength and reliability of both styles made them hella useful. Awesome video btw!
@yoloswaggins5385
@yoloswaggins5385 Жыл бұрын
How do you play that game? On the computer? Xbox or what?
@user-ut7ly1rz7f
@user-ut7ly1rz7f Жыл бұрын
That video is what I need to see. Thank you, bro!!!
@James-bw4np
@James-bw4np Жыл бұрын
I think I would gravitate towards Niiman form 6. Form 5 might be one I dable in but form 6 is where I would probably find my place. I like being prepared for many different situations. Form 6 satisfies that desire in me.
@klapacjuszanimomon8501
@klapacjuszanimomon8501 Жыл бұрын
My favorite is definitely Niman. As I always love some kind of "mage class" So fighting with force. I would supplemented it with Vaapad but not for its agressive nature but for it's liquid-like movement and implify it into more defense then offence. So my style would rely on waiting on enemy move to counter it, so you may think of form V but not quite, becouse the counters would not rely on sheer strengh and beating the opponent's saber of the way but harmonize with its offence to fluidly Let enemy wepon to slide of blade or even guide it's blade as I wish to deliver the blow, or handle strike or force . It would be mine branch of Niman So it would be perfect for duels but would not be weak in a fighting vs multiple opponents either becouse disposal of force pushes etc. Or the fluid defense wich would Let you swiftly swap between your opponents. This style would probably be the best ageinst the users of form V as it would use thier strengh ageinst them and ageinst form VII users as it would harmonize the fluid defense with thier fluid offence and outlast them. This style would be probably on pair with makashi as both styles rely on staying in touch with opponent's blade to guide it of the way so vs form II results are purely skill dependent. And The greates weaknesses could be the Ataru becouse Ataru rely on fast attack from every side and retreat's so thier blades would not stay in touch with my long enough to to direct them so it 's just take away a chance to deliver the blow. But if enemy would use too much jumps and aerobatics I would have a chance to bring them down with force pull. The biggest con of my style is for sure the blasters. As few blasters would be possible to handle as any force users with saber is capable of but barrage of blasterfire would be lethal as the fluid defense is not good for deflecting shots. So my style desperately needs the implementation of at least basics of form III to survive on battlefield. The opening stance is the one from 42:44 mostly two-handed grip, occasional letting of one hand to use force... Okay that's enough xD
@hamishbartholomaeus
@hamishbartholomaeus Жыл бұрын
So solid! Fantastic work!!! 🔥⚔️🙏🏼
@gabrielnegron1847
@gabrielnegron1847 Жыл бұрын
I have to say my favorite one is Niman, and I think it would work best with Jar’kai. A very balanced form in offence and defence that can as the situation calls for it lean somewhat more heavy in either direction like he explained Revan used to. Also being able to let your individuality flow through it would make it unique enough that I believe it would by hard to counter. A very good video that I enjoyed immensely
@jfb173jb
@jfb173jb Жыл бұрын
Anyone else notice that a few of the form shifts or creation of styles seemed to be addition? Like form 5 mixing 2 and 3? Or 3 adding the defense of 1 and the finesse of 2? While 7 was kind of mix of 5 and 2? I did some quizzes on my lightsaber and specialized style. 6 was mine and my lightsaber was a yellow orange blade.
@bancholeo55
@bancholeo55 Жыл бұрын
That was essentially the progression of the lightsaber forms in a nutshell. Form 1 was conceived during the inception of weaponry being advanced past metal forms. Form 2 was an answer to Form 1's development and to counter its basic precepts as a dueling form. Form 3 was an answer to Form 2's blaster-deflecting weakness. Form 4 was a step away from Form 3's defensive mentality and more towards pure offense and fluidity. Form 5 (which was also developed alongside Form 4) aimed to strike a balance between Form 2's offensive focus and Form 3's defensive mentality without focusing excessively into either direction. Form 6 sought to bring forth a culmination of Form 1, 3, 4, and 5's basic concepts into a form that allows one to imprint their own flavor into it. Form 7 essentially takes the idea of giving one's self into the force to fuel their offense (proposed by Form 1 and subsequently explored by Form 4) and expands upon it even further. I love how the information on all the classics forms were presented comprehensively!
@MTBJJ2001
@MTBJJ2001 Жыл бұрын
The video I never knew i needed, what a great video to listen to for a work morning
@stevenle9960
@stevenle9960 Жыл бұрын
I would dip my toes into 1, 2, 3, and 5 switch to a different form depending on the situation I vs multiple opponents II vs single opponent of equal power III vs many blasters or a single opponent of greater power V vs few blasters or an opponent of lesser power
@FalconWindblader
@FalconWindblader Жыл бұрын
You're essentially doing form 6 if you do manage to switch like that.
@stevenle9960
@stevenle9960 Жыл бұрын
@@FalconWindblader form 6 combined all of them at once, it didn't switch between them
@FalconWindblader
@FalconWindblader Жыл бұрын
@@stevenle9960 It's impossible to just combine everything, otherwise, everyone would have just used that instead. form 6 is NOT the combination of all previous forms. what it actually is, is an extremely fluid way to approach combat & the greatest trait to form 6 is how it doesn't box the user into doing anything, which means how much you wanna combine or switch stuff around, or even add stuff in, is entirely up to you. just look at the 2 most well-known masters of the form & it's already telling you that much, as despite both of them using form 6, their form 6s are very different from each other.
@mzgreenjeansapproves
@mzgreenjeansapproves Жыл бұрын
I would most definitely choose Niman. It's a very pragmatic form that also encourages mindfulness. As a Jedi this is important due to the awesome power one would have. That said if I'm fighting some evil doer I'm gonna wreck💩 with my awesome lightsaber. If in combat I WILL throw EVERYTHING! Don't play with me😜
@jendaar
@jendaar Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this series. Nicely done.
@Drunken_Hamster
@Drunken_Hamster 4 ай бұрын
I like versatility and efficiency, so I think I'd pursue both 6 and 2. I'd also need two completely different sabers to do it right. Either that or a shield to go with the curved hilt 1-hander. However, since I want the main saber to have a built-in shield mode via redirecting the blade plasma through a tsuba, a backup shoto or light foil is probably a given.
@CalebNewbery
@CalebNewbery Жыл бұрын
If I were a Jedi, I think I'd use form 3 Soresu. I've never been an aggressive person, and I don't try and start fights, although I am willing to defend myself and others if someone else starts one. So, I think a purely defensive style would suit me best.
@RampageArby
@RampageArby Жыл бұрын
A compilation? Awesome!
@vertigovonvek3473
@vertigovonvek3473 8 ай бұрын
I love your description of yodas fighting style
@Bakadono7525
@Bakadono7525 Жыл бұрын
Used to be a martial artist; gonna apply that to your question using Vanoj Philosophies. As a Jedi I believe id Prefer a variation of Vaapad and Soresu. Focusing on Soresu for defence and adhering to Jedi ways; utilising Vaapas when absolutely necisary. A defensive fighter whose intent to kill is created by the oponents intent to Kill. As a Sith; Nimaan and Vaapad with Ataru; unpredictability to incite fear and anger to feed from. Vaapad could be blended to use as a "Turn or die" methodology.
@corymccarty8603
@corymccarty8603 Жыл бұрын
As a Sith Vaapad would likely not be available to you as that variant was developed by Mace Windu and had very few practitioners... I COULD however see you making good use of the Juyo Variant like Darth Maul... who was himself an expert Martial Artist.
@jeremybrummel3254
@jeremybrummel3254 Жыл бұрын
I think both Forms 2 and 3, for the efficiency. I prefer skill over brute strength, essentially I prefer internal martial arts in real life, and I think I would apply that to my Jedi preferences.
@bobleeswaggerman6792
@bobleeswaggerman6792 Жыл бұрын
Would like to see a video like this on improved styles like vaapad ect, I think I would pick ataru as my style as its quite aggressive and suits my style already
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