Thank you for the concerns about rattlesnakes. Before we film, we did check the area first to make sure it was safe. And, NO, we are not experts on planes. For anyone who is interested, a viewer sent us this link about the crash. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

This wreck matches my father's twin engine Aztec Piper. Tail number N5530Y. He sold it in the 70's. Within a week or 2 of the sale he got a call from the feds. He told them that he sold it and to whom. That was the end of the story. Thanks for the update?

Any survivors of a crash like that, would be awfully lucky! Great outing, you two!

That looks to be a mid 60's Piper twin engine Aztec. Considered by most to be apply described as a flying pickup truck. Can haul a bunch of weight

You might want to be VERY careful moving and looking under those aircraft parts. You never know what critter might be hiding from the sun under them! I dare say that no one walked away from that plane crash.

Hi Guys, Your content keeps getting better and better with each upload!! Awesome!! Keep um coming!!

Interesting visit to this crash site. The plane received its air worthiness certificate on 8/24/1976, so it was a relatively new plane. The tail number was stricken from the records in January, 1978. A very short life to a very rugged and reliable Aztec, one of Piper's best. At the time of the accident it was registered to an individual in Clear Lake, Ca. The NTSB report showed one gallon of fuel remaining in an unauthorized auxiliary tank. Adding fuel tanks to allow for a longer non-stop trip is common when moving contraband. Fatalities: None Occupants: Two. Further details at: aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=124962

New subscriber here. Getting caught up with all your very interesting videos. Hard to imagine anyone walked, or in this case, apparently crawled away from this crash.

I believe that no one walked away from this crash. The wind could have spread the pieces around from the original wreckage positions.

The wing looked like it had been picked up and moved with heavy machinery as that small area of damage does not correspond with the crash damage.Great video guys

Everything in that desert has bullet holes in it . Usually road signs .

This is my first time watching your videos. Thought it was very well done

If they walked away from this they need to go to church now.

You guys are so good at this!!!!!So interesting 😊

How come there were two wing parts with an engine mount on each one? Looks like a twin engine aircraft!

Those bullet holes are a bit small for military air to air. Looks like someone out plinking these as targets.

with two throttle, prop and mixture levers, it's NOT a single engine plane.

Great adventure guys, very interesting! Hard to think that wreckage is survivable, but we know that you are passing information that was passed to you. Regardless if the occupants survived or not you guys rocked on this video, by just finding it. The back story just adds to the mystery. Thanks guys for sharing! Danny in Alabama

Definitely an Aztec (twin engined Piper) Looks like the crash site has been picked clean of most of the big components such as engines, props and landing gear. All that other stuff has undoubtedly been blown around and scattered over the years it can get pretty windy out there at times.

What a really cool Trip This Was! My Absolute favorite part of all was you BOTH laughing TOGETHER! This "Story" reminded me of a story I heard years ago from a person in a small town as well. What was appealing to me was going around asking "locals" if they knew of this particular story and what was their take...the end result was So many Versions of the so called Story events.....even the "core of the story" changed a bit too. So I can believe how a story through the years can get embellished. But after reading some of the great comments from your Fan Base and then seeing you both left a Link to the Real Deal Story...I got as excited as only an Adult Kid can get in late June while feeling like it's Christmas Morning! Only been Riding along in Tonto a short time....but feels as though we ALL have been traveling from place to place and just having fun! Cheers From Ohio

From the window configuration, shape and sizes, this looks like a Piper Aztec, to me.

I know it's a rumor but there's no way men crashed landed and survived in that terrain then walked 70 miles with no injuries. No survivors.

This was really exciting and interesting! 🔥so much mystery - love it! love rugged scenery. Nice to see Tonto watching faithfully from below👏😃. Look forward to next vid ✌🏽🤙🏽🙋🏽

Nicely done.. I'm so glad I came back and watched this again for the new comments. A few observations for your next plane: - a good source for documentation on plane accidents is NTSB (national transportation safety board) - you noted that he aircraft regisrstion number is on the tail. It is also on the dashboard in front of the pilot left seat above the cluster of instrument

4K, 65" 2.5feet from my face, these vids are AWESOME! Love the 4K camera!

This is sad but fascinating. Another excellent video... 👏🧡

Nice video! Keep it up guys.

I am a consultant on aviation accidents...nobody walked away from that... There has to be some history on that accident, no engines and no props....Great video...thanks!

The two tubes she had picked thinking they had to do with thrust where actually the exhaust for the engine nacelles. And the white fiberglass section was the right wing tip . No fuel in this location of the wing. The larger piece of wreckage was the right wing and cockpit section. That contain the engine throttle quadrant. The tail and engines where recovered during the investigation.

Nice to see ya still having fun out there. Do you know the module?

Wow, you guys sure have some big, open sky out in that part of the world. 🙂

That’s a throttle quadrant it controls the engine ,propeller and flaps

Sorry some of that did not come out very good so the pulleys are for control lines for a rudder and other controls

As for the bullet holes, first is to look for shell casings on the ground around the bits with holes in them. Not guaranteed you'll find any, just move the top soil around some. Also, who ever was shooting at it could have been far away at the time, the wreckage would make good long distance target.

It’s really hard to believe that people survived and walked 70 miles away to the nearest town.

Please be careful when lifting things in the desert.......rattlesnakes love to hide there.

Nice video! Thanks for sharing...

Great find and well documented. More please.

That was a great video and very entertaining. Well done. Greetings from Arizona.

I see two augmentor tubes (exhaust) looks like a B model piper Aztec

Thank you for being "snake" safe. That was my first thought. Just think, 70 miles from the nearest town. That's a couple of 3 days of walking.

I believe the first serial number you found at 7:14 is a data plate that can identify this wreck. Send a picture to Piper and I bet they'll help you. Look at the control column at 12:19 and you can count 6 levers, 7 if you count the flap handle, and 2 were the throttle, 2 were the mixture controls, and 2 were the prop controls; so this is a twin engine aircraft and it was a low wing aircraft. Also at 13:15 you can see the cabin air control knobs and the Master Switch which connects the battery to the aircraft electrical system. All these should help to figure out what Piper airplane this is.

No fire no fuel in the wreck. She ran out of gas.!

Looks like a twin, like an ATP Piper Seminole. You can see that there was an engine in that wing piece you were analyzing. Cables would run throughout the aircraft in those pulleys. they would controle the ailerons' elevator, and it's "pilot controlled" tab, and rudder, but not the flaps.

Found a brief report of a crash on July, 1, 1970 involving a yellow Piper 28 near the National Forest.

Given the current state of the wreckage, it's hard to believe anyone survived this crash.

Very cool Vid. I am a pilot, and I used to be the safety officer in my local Civil Air Patrol squadron. I had the job of reporting on general aviation accidents each month, and it was depressing learning how people end up in shredded balls of flaming AL-U-Minium as you Royal Subjects say, otherwise referred to by us Yanks as Aluminum. I was thinking this thing looked like a Piper Aztec, and that is a twin engine plane. The framing on one of the wing pieces aligns with that theory - I think it supported one of the engines. Single engine planes have the engine out in front of the pilot, but twins have them on the wings. When an NTSB investigator starts their look at a crash sight, they try to find all four corners of the plane. That means the nose, tail and wing tips. If they are close together, then it came straight down-ish. If they can't find one or more corners at the site, it came off the plane in the air, and could be miles away from the eventual crash site. Since there isn't a lot of airplane parts here, it lends credence that the plane was shot down and came apart in the air, but unless the pilot and/or passenger were able to walk on water, I highly doubt they would have walked away - even in the unlikely event they had parachutes and were unscathed by the plane being torn apart in the air. However, people could have taken parts over the years. So, we will really never know for sure. I read one of the posts that indicated the poster found the NTSB report, it would be cool to have that link if they read this. One slight correction though; the wing would be on the underside of the fuselage, known as a "low wing" v. something like a Cessna Skyhawk or "high wing". If the occupants DID walk away, I have to believe that souvenir hunters raided this wreck - there is NOT a lot left. In fact, I'm surprised there are no engines or parts of them, lending credence to the "target Practice" theory - bullet holes are from after the event. I'm also amazed that this thing is in so many pieces and yet no burn marks. Still, with that terrain and it being a retractable gear plane, if they landed gear up those rocks would have had their way with that structure and it wouldn't have been pretty. I love stuff like this; thank you for this video!

Greeting again, and thanks for an interesting but rather macabre adventure. I have seen several explorations of small plane crash sites on you tube and they all rather look alike. That is, many scattered and varied remnants. Very fine presentation. CHEERS!

Piper Aircraft we’re low wing aircraft. Based on the pieces presented it was a twin engine. Serial numbers are presented on the passenger side fuselage.

This one had the optional fiberglass tip tanks ( 22 gal each )

The tubular bit is an exhaust shroud

What ever the reality of the crash it is very interesting to see the detail of the wreckage. And you do have a high video quality which makes it so easy to watch.

That was a twin engine Piper, the cowling on the wing at 15:26 was for the right engine.

It was an Apache and it had MetcoAire Tip tanks for extra range @ 2:46 minute mark. Someone carefully unscrewed the nav light and fuel filler caps from that part. At 10:02 they were looking at an exhaust augmentor tube that was under the wings behind the engines. Aztecs did not have those. The storm window @6:01 is hinged at front unlike the Aztec which had the hinge at the bottom, and the emergency exit window was common to both models. Bullet holes were probably installed after the crash and I seriously doubt anybody survived that crash unless they were using a parachute. At 11:37, you are looking at the right wing and the engine firewall, not the cockpit section. You can see the dark area was the non skid paint for the wing walk area, leading up to the cockpit door. At 12:36 you are looking at the hydraulic power pack that ran the landing gear and flaps. A serial number on that won't matter much. 27-2001 is the aircraft serial number. 13:30, no that is not part of the engine. It is a control cable pulley which would be part of the aileron, rudder or elevator or stabilator control system. 18:00, you got the left flap correct. 18:30 is a Fram engine air inlet filter. The fiberglass was from the nose section.

Another great adventure

This was a Twin not a Single...

Thumbs up!

Amazing these two occupants survived. Runn'in dope was always quite iffy.

this airframe apears to be from a Piper Aztec that was built in 2001 and the tube piece is called a Augmenter tube that is part of the Engine exaust. this is a six seat .twin engine aircraft.

That looks like a twin engine.... Somebody may have taken the one good engine.....

That fuselage pretty sure is a Piper Azetc (older PA27)... Twin engine loved by runners.. could carry a ton at 200+ mph... 200+ gallons AvGas. Flight from south of border would have only been couple hour flight. I agree with some others, doubtful if anyone 'walked away'... Ironically, I actually crashed today 6/25/84, 37 years ago today in the water off Jersey coast and mine was torn up less... Kinda eerie looking at another crash site today. Hard crash and debris field that long seems unlikely to be survivable.

6 seat twin piston engines low wing known for being a good load carriering abiliry

im thinking its a 2001 piper saratoga ll tc w/oxygen,regardless of reported date of story,the cabin part tag had a 2001 stamp on it!!!????????

If you guys only found one engine there... The plane could have been either above or below the fuselage but from what I saw that fuselage it looked like it was a low wing..... Probably a six-seater long range single engine Piper......

In the 60s and 70s I was in Arizona (raised there actually) there were a number of small aircraft stolen from small airports, to be found later crashed in another part of the state. What would happen, a smuggler would steal and fly very low into Mexico where they would load the plane with drugs and sneak back across the border to a predetermined location, dry lake wide dirt road and land/crash land unload and beat feet. Often the aircraft the aircraft would be set on fire. Cowboys down there always went armed because you never what you were going to run into. P.S. Long way to go for target practice

Piper planes have been made where I live in Vero Beach, Florida. Since 1961 they have been here. Interesting if maybe those serial numbers can be traced. I know a couple people and wi see what can be found out about this. Good video guys.

ideal place to find A/C type n model is the tail section look for a data plate approx 1.5 x 2.0-2.5

Thats right Andrea aluminium.LOL.....Y ou are living my dream... wonderful videos Thank you

Mr. Erbele just took my thunder. I was going to say that one part of the cockpit you presented showed part of a center console with two sets of levers side by side. They looked like throttle and manifold pressure controls. Part of one wing also showed the rear part of the left engine nacelle. I suspect the crash site has been partly salvaged because you didn't find engines. Also, in that desert, no one walked 70 miles after a crash with little or no water.

I have a hard time believing that anyone could have walked away from that. Wonder why there's no engine? Where are the rest of the pieces? Tires? Rims? Tail section? Lots of unanswered questions. How come nobody scrapped it out? A few lbs. of ali-luminia:)Great video! Looking forward to another...Pin in the atlas:) Hope your having fun and staying COOL.

Maybe the story got intermingled with the guy that crashed a small plane in the Sierras and walked into a coffee shop in Olancha

my bad pre 80s piper!!

The throttle quadrant with the flap lever is from a Piper twin most likely an Aztec. The wing section has the wing walk and back end of the right engine nacelle. It was a good airplane, if it was used for drugs because it can carry a good load. They should know that Piper made low wing airplanes beginning in the 1960s with the exception of the two place Super Cub. They can go back and look at the Aztec and it’ll make more sense to them.

There's no way people would have survived a plane crash that violent. Their bodies would have been ripped apart like the plane. Did you receive my email?

I don't see how anyone survived that crash given how scattered it was. Very interesting.

8:13 is a leading edge of a wing. 9:36.. Empty weight of whole aircraft is about 2,800#. Light for the size. 10:27 is control cable pulley guides. 13:30 another cable pulley/guide// Plane was wire controlled for surfaces (wing&tail) !2:10 It was a low wing twin engine. 13:03.. are there any prefixes before the stamped numbers.. 3693? PA23.. PA27... Piper always had a P prefix to start that I know of 14:20 the switches is the cockpit area... PA27 was a larger 6 seat plane. Early ones were called 'Apache', later to Aztec in late 60's/70's.. First produced in early 1950's. 17:17... Aileron... and flaps on the wing 19:23 most likely part of cabin or nose area... hard to tell with such small pieces. The site from what I saw is pretty picked over... Most crashes like that only engines can be identified. If busted up bad wouldn't have been salvaged and pieces of engines would have been still around debris field. We have a lot of military crash sites within 25 mile radius here... I'll send a link for military crash sites. I'll get back to you... Pop is an FAA crash investigator I'll run video past him.

At first I thought this was a Twin Comanche, but I have to admit the cockpit air control panel appears to be from a Piper Aztec.

Looks to be very clean and lacking rust I would expect for plane parts being out in the desert elements for 50+ years...

Doubt there were any survivors, or that it was shot down.

Hey folks. Looks like a toasty day indeed. I love Summer time. It can get hot at times back here in OZ. But how interesting is this sad plane crash? The desert still holds many secrets and still tells many tales I guess.l just love American & British history. Love it.Great vlog again folks. Thanks for sharing.Next time.👍🇦🇺😁❤️

SN 27-2001, Piper PA-23-250 Twin engine aircraft, FAA Registration Number: N5001Y. Certification Issued: 1976-08-24. Registration Cancel Date: 1978-01-18. Owner prior to deregistration from Clear Lakes Oaks, CA

Very interesting story! I'm surprised there is no information about this crash!

some one took the engines. right? I didn't see either.

just fyi piper are/were low winged aircraft... what a debris field... and they walked away????

I don't believe anyone could have walked away from that crash. I'm a licensed commercial pilot and I've seen several crash results and for an aircraft to break up that badly indicate a high speed impact with very little chance of survival, let alone the ability to walk away.

No more than 5 years old, sun would damage paint allot in 50 years.

I wouldn't be grabbing sharp metal pieces bare handed, out in the middle of nowhere, without LEATHER GLOVES. But then I'm a bit cautious. Also would be wary of rattle snakes seeking shade.

Serial numbers usually date the parts manufacturer date. Looks like its a part from 2001

By looking at the engine controls, the engine nacelle on one of the wings and the design of what was left of the cabin, I say you possibly have a Piper PA-30 Twin Comanche.

Great job, of trying to find out what kind of plane it is. From the limited information that was available in this broadcast and your findings of several part I.D. Labels. It appears to be a, Piper PA-44 180 Seminole family of aircraft. I wish you had made a complete circle of the aircraft wing set as this would have given more needed information as to determine the exact aircraft type. The aircraft tail numbers would have given you the aircraft I.D. which could have been run through the FAA. The aircraft tail numbers are usually on the fuselage or tail of the plane. It seems like someone had removed the aircraft I.D. that would have been on the fuselage of the plane prior to you on sight visit. Also the engine and landing gear appear to have been removed as well.

It's an interesting video but fraught with inaccuracies. You should have brought someone along who understands aircraft and their various components. The aircraft you found, and based upon the serial number you found, was a Piper Aztec 250....Also, as one comment noted, you need to be more careful in remote areas with regard to rattle snakes under such things as wrecked aircraft components. Here are the details of the aircraft found as noted in FAA records of the serial number: PIPER PA-23-250 MCCULLOUGH DAVID J PO BOX 205 CLEAR LAKE OAKS, CA 95423

How could you walk away? Vanish..? Lovyavids...Peace..

I’m gonna say it’s an Aerostar, multi engine, mid wing.

Who knows why the plane crashed, but I highly doubt anyone walked away from it. I've been to plane wrecks like that and the people are usually in just as many pieces as the plane.

Yes does poly wheels are there control line police for Rutters elevators airlines etc.

I would just venture a guess that the 2001 in the serial number was year of manufacture. If so the drug runner angle would be busted as urban legend.

Awesome video Guys

That old plane might have been a Piper - Cherokee model. Those cylinder pieces you showed earlier were for the wing tips. I’m getting the design shape in my mind. This old plane might have carried six to perhaps eight passengers. They were built for speed and manoeuvre ability too. Drug runners would’ve loved them I’d say.

Good Sound and picture.

At 10:35, I believe that is where the aileron pedals would go. These are where the pilot would have had his feet. Looks like the bottom of the aircraft was tore out by those rocks. Old ("vintage") aircraft weren't designed for crash safety. Newer designed like those from Cirrus have crush zones and even ballistic recovery parachutes.