The Strangest GPS Track I've EVER Seen - Apple Watch Ultra 2 Low Power Mode!

Рет қаралды 18,275

Күн бұрын

Apple Watch Ultra 2
Amazon: geni.us/mFUb9Rx
Apple Watch Series 9
Amazon: geni.us/9Pu5
Apple Watch SE
Amazon: geni.us/mFUb9Rx
Apple iPhone 15 / 15 Pro
Amazon: geni.us/weca13m
FTC Disclaimer: The links above are affiliate links from which I earn a small commission. This does not affect you as a customer at all, but it does help support this channel!
*CTS Merch Store! Hats, Shirts, and More!*
www.chasethesu...
*Want to help? Support this channel on Patreon!*
/ chasethesummit
*Listen to the CTS Podcast!*
click.chasethe...
Video Podcast: @ctstrailtalkpodcast
*Follow Me!*
Instagram: / chasethesummit
Threads: www.threads.ne...
Strava: / strava
Website: www.chasethesu...
*Join the Conversation on Discord!*
/ discord
*Want to send me something?*
Chase the Summit
1751 Main Street # 843
Tewksbury, MA, 01876
*Supplements and Nutrition I Take*
Athletic Greens AG1: athleticgreens...
Tailwind: click.chasethe...
Liquid IV: glnk.io/75r0/c...
cbdMD Gummies and Topicals: cbdmd.t7c9v8.n...
*Wellness Tech I Use*
Whoop Band: join.whoop.com...
Oura Ring: ouraring.sjv.i...
Ultrahuman Ring: www.ultrahuman...
*Running / Outdoor Gear I Use*
GPS Watch: click.chasethe...
Trail Running Shoe: click.chasethe...
Road Shoe: click.chasethe...
Running Hat: click.chasethe...
Hydration Vest: click.chasethe...
Headlamp: click.chasethe...
Trail Running Socks: click.chasethe...
Handheld: click.chasethe...
Earbuds: click.chasethe...
*Camera / KZfaq Gear I Use*
Main Camera: click.chasethe...
Secondary Camera: click.chasethe...
Overhead Camera: click.chasethe...
Favorite Lens: click.chasethe...
Action Camera: click.chasethe...
Editing Computer: click.chasethe...
Phone: click.chasethe...

Пікірлер: 108

@The.JZA. 10 ай бұрын

I think low power mode is for hiking etc where maximum accuracy isn’t really important. If you wanted to compare directly you should put the Garmin into the UltraTrac mode.

@ak4939 10 ай бұрын

The Garmin, even in the highest power draw mode, is never a liability. Unlike the AWU2, which would quickly dry up the available battery, if put into the highest accuracy mode. This mandatory need to put the AWU2 into the low-power mode, is to get through a long activity, without the watch dying on you.

@The.JZA. 10 ай бұрын

@@ak4939 Depends what you call a long activity. The longest activity I do is about 5 hours of mountain biking or like 6-7 hours of hiking and most of the time it’s like 1-2 hours. The Apple Watch Ultra can go 17 hours with max accuracy. If you need more than 17 hours in one go then it’s a no brainer to get a Garmin but if 17 hours is enough for you then the Apple Watch wins hands down in my opinion and also keep in mind that you can charge the Apple Watch at night and it charges way faster than a Garmin so it’s only if you need 17+ hours of continuous activity. I’ve owned a Garmin Fenix 6s, Enduro and Enduro 2 but still came back to Apple Watch. It’s just smarter with more features but if you are an ultra runner, mountaineer or something like that then yeah, get a Garmin.

@tonybowen455 10 ай бұрын

The bittersweet thing is that I'd guess for 90%+ of ppl running streets and popular trails, low power mode might work the best out of all the fitness watches.

@alexa9771 10 ай бұрын

yes, good point

@savagedriver1967 10 ай бұрын

Hmm, the Garmin Fenix 7 can do 57h of proper GPS tracking, compared to 100h of garbage tracking on the AWU2.

@flankman9385 10 ай бұрын

@@savagedriver1967I have the Garmin too but I just hate looking so poor.

@savagedriver1967 10 ай бұрын

@@flankman9385 I can't work out if that remark is tongue in cheek, or if you're just really shallow... 🙄 Nothing cheap about top end Garmins!!

@austingreen659 10 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 this the funieeeeesst thing I have heard!!! " then it meet up with me and my Garmin watch" oh my God!!! 😂😂😂😂😂

@snusmumriken232 10 ай бұрын

Interesting, good catch and thanks for the video. On one hand I'd imagine there are a set of users who use "Low Power Mode" because they need the watch to last for 100 miles, and they will likely be using unmarked trails. OTOH, another set of users may be fine sticking to marked trails. I think leaning on Maps data is smart as a battery saving trick, but it won't work well for all users depending on their needs. Maybe Apple could put in a message somewhere saying your less frequent polling intervals are aligned with known Maps trails.

@ChaseTheSummit 10 ай бұрын

Yep, I think if Apple Maps makes some headway with trails in the near future this feature could become even more useful.

@snusmumriken232 10 ай бұрын

@@ChaseTheSummit As more users use the watch in high power mode, maybe Apple will figure out where the trails are 😅

@ak4939 10 ай бұрын

@@snusmumriken232 or better yet, figure out a way to improve battery life, so that even in high-accuracy mode, the watch will last through the activity, than dying on you. I was waiting for the AWU2 to arrive, before deciding on buying the Garmin Epix Pro Sapphire 51mm, hoping for a better battery life…..but clearly, no cigar !

@bufferino7880 10 ай бұрын

AW Ultra is a step up from regular AW but I’m sticking with Garmin. I might be up for trying it around the 5th gen at this rate.

@bufferino7880 10 ай бұрын

But this kind of issue is just demonstrating that it still isn’t ready for athletes to utilize.

@TheEvanator87 10 ай бұрын

The low power mode will 'ping' your location less often, so I wonder if it did so right before you got to the trail and then right after, and then not having that trail in their map system it just automagically adjusted the route based on that information.

@brennonjacobson6262 10 ай бұрын

Lower power mode doesn’t reduce accuracy of HR and GPS. It reduces frequency. The heart rate number and location is just as accurate when it is polled it just polls the point less often than normal mode.

@chrisking6448 10 ай бұрын

Very cool video and excellent observations. I wonder if that would have happened with the Ultra 2 in Full/Max GPS accuracy?

@ChaseTheSummit 10 ай бұрын

Nope, in full GPS the accuracy is quite good and on par/if not better than top tier garmins.

@ak4939 10 ай бұрын

In full/max GPS accuracy mode, the AWU2 is a major liability from perspective of the battery dying on you in the middle of a long activity.

@fliggopolis 10 ай бұрын

It would be super interesting to see how it fares on the UM but I wouldn't rely on it as your only device.

@Dovales1 10 ай бұрын

Great observation! That makes me think that it's just a software adjustment and it would work the same on Apple Watch Ultra 1, I will try it on mine here. And that "ultra low power mode" (low power mode plus reduced GPS and Heart rate readings), is just available on the Apple Watches Ultra, not available on the regular Apple Watches.

@Dovales1 10 ай бұрын

Confirmed! I did a walk exercise with my Apple Watch Ultra 1 some hours ago with low power mode plus reduced GPS and Heart rate readings on an urban area, and got the same results that you had on video! The gps lines get glued on the streets where I walked in, it's amazing! I'll try it on some trail that are registered on Apple Maps to see if it gets the same results too. I have never thought on using this "ultra low power mode" with reduced GPS and heart rate readings because of the inaccuracy of the GPS (less heart rate reading doesn't bother me that much). But now, with that updated way of operate, it makes me think about it when running/hiking on known paths (Apple Maps known paths). 🤔

@martowl 10 ай бұрын

Ran Bear 100 with AW1. Did a good job, surprisingly good with a couple glitches.

@ChaseTheSummit 10 ай бұрын

Did you use reduced accuracy mode?

@martowl 10 ай бұрын

Yes, no charging. I had the setting for ask to stop workout when paused on and I think that caused issues. Make sure you turn it off. Wore a couple Suunto watches as well. AWU pace and distance were very good! Good luck tomorrow, keep moving. Total ~35h:25m

@nostoneunturned6291 10 ай бұрын

You gotta bring the Ultra with you because we wanna know how low power mode works anyways! That’s definitely a true real world example if you wore that and the Garmin. Good luck on your run! I could only dream of going that far.

@matheusoares2 10 ай бұрын

Amazing content! How can I visualise a map like yours with different devices as source of data? I'd like to make some comparisons :)

@MrHepcat34 10 ай бұрын

Very interesting. I think you just committed yourself to wearing two devices 😂. Have a great race!

@dimka11ggg 10 ай бұрын

Because they using mapping track to roads on the maps for improve track accuracy. It look very good for running in the towns with a lot of high building, that hides sky and quality drops significally.

@eltobiass 10 ай бұрын

Stupid question, but how do you the GPS tracks out of the watch. Third party app? (e.g. Komoot, Strava…). I have not figured out how to see/do this natively if possible at all. Thanks, and great videos!

@denitechYT 3 ай бұрын

It’s just in fitness app by Apple and then you can see the maps in the workouts that track it like walking etc

@gpfraser1 10 ай бұрын

Good luck on your upcoming race!

@chrissexton2926 8 ай бұрын

Great explanation! Would it work in low power GPS-only / no cellular mode? I was considering getting an Apple Watch for tracking backcountry snow trips (no trails; no cell service; no Apple Map interference).

@chrissexton2926 8 ай бұрын

Nevermind - answered my question in another vid: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qLaRgpui1dqtdp8.html Doesn’t look promising for backcountry use…

@freepat101 10 ай бұрын

Not sure if it's been asked yet, but curious if you had your iPhone with you? Would be curious if ultra low power mode causes the AWU to start depending on the iPhone if it's nearby. Also, curious what your pace looked like when it back tracked that whole way? I'm assuming it had you going at a really fast pace during all that to make the total time seem reasonable? Last question, would an AWU user be able to start a run/hike in ultra low power mode and then switch to normal mode later in the run when the trails become less defined and possibly even switch back when on a marked trail?

@isaacvff 10 ай бұрын

Nice review, objective and very value added info, I wil go for Garmin

@kimhilltv 10 ай бұрын

I tried the low power workout mode on a walk in Manhattan, and GPS accuracy was great - indistinguishable from normal mode, which surprised me - but after this video I have a better idea of how it managed so well. I had started with a low battery, and I wanted the watch to last for a 6-mile walk. It did last, with a lot of room to spare - so low power mode in this case was perfect.

@hwjgage 2 ай бұрын

Maybe it's an "easter egg"!!. Wait until Sept / Oct '24 when they release Watch OS11 with topo maps, which presumably will include known trails. If they do that presumably this feature will make use of trails as well as roads and all of the sudden AWU will be in contention with Garmin for the serious endurance crowd.

@ZachGrabill 10 ай бұрын

I have used the low power mode using the Footpath app for longer hikes. I have found the heart rate and GPS accuracy to be outstanding, I’m and still generally getting about 12 to 14 hours of GPS use.

@ChaseTheSummit 10 ай бұрын

Low Power mode still collects full GPS/Heart Rate accuracy it only turns off other features (AOD/Reduced BT connectivity, etc...) to maximize battery life. The "Reduced Accuracy" is an additional setting within Settings > Workout App where you can further reduce the accuracy to ping GPS less often and take less heart rate samples. That's specifically what I'm talking about in this video. In this mode you get CRAZY battery life (60-100 hours in a GPS activity) but as mentioned in this video it does some funky things.

@ZachGrabill 10 ай бұрын

@@ChaseTheSummit OK I thought so, wasn’t sure. Thanks for clarifying! Regular ole low power mode is great for day hikes or long activities that aren’t ULTRA so, isn’t that ironic. It’s getting there…. Just has to have better mapping.

@somnia3423 10 ай бұрын

Is battery life that poor? For tgat price its kinda crazy, garmin seems to be just much better

@sxhrgvs 10 ай бұрын

Interesting and weird. Thanks for this.

@henryrodriguezdeleon7643 10 ай бұрын

Dave, respectfully sir, this is exactly why I am disliking my Ultra 2. I went on a run the other day and it was very frustrating with the Ultra. I can't imagine running with it in the woods. Good luck on the race!!

@ChaseTheSummit 10 ай бұрын

This is only in Low Power / Reduced Accuracy mode. In regular GPS mode it's quite accurate!

@rgmALC 10 ай бұрын

What about enabling low power mode, but using Workoutdoors? I wonder if WOD would put down a better GPS track, and what would it look like on the map on the watch when you are running using WOD?

@ChaseTheSummit 10 ай бұрын

The "reduced accuracy" setting only affects the native Apple Workout app unfortunately.

@yams900 10 ай бұрын

Barometric pressure, can Ultra 2 provide that information ? If weather is about to go bad, my Suunto 9 Baro will warn me...good feature !

@hwjgage Ай бұрын

"there's probably an app for that"

@peterullinger2814 10 ай бұрын

Nice catch. One question though: How does that glitch impact distance and pace?

@ChaseTheSummit 10 ай бұрын

Distance was surprisingly still very close within .10 miles after a 4 mile run. Pace is also still pretty close after you record the run but DURING the run the real-time pace on the watch is quite off.

@savagedriver1967 10 ай бұрын

So there may be some kind of "correction" going on before an activity is actually saved?

@hisalil 10 ай бұрын

Imagine this location data was asked from Apple with a warrant for a crime on the path you never took! Good luck trying to convince your side of story 😂

@yams900 10 ай бұрын

Interesting stuff, well done ! Need to sort out my question regarding OFFLINE maps...with Suunto 9 Baro, I can load trail maps before I go out hiking...then follow my Suunto for directions, wish Ultra 2 can do the same :)

@ferencantal708 10 ай бұрын

Good luck on your Trail challange! Hope you gonna show us your experience about the trail.

@ChaseTheSummit 10 ай бұрын

Yep, stay tuned for a vlog all about it!

@ferencantal708 10 ай бұрын

@@ChaseTheSummit Cant wait...

@newchenyufengchenyufeng5535 10 ай бұрын

我猜，在低电量模式下，ultra 本身采的数据点不足以连接成平滑曲线，此时当原始数据上传到手机后，软件开始进行后台的运算，或者可以理解为AI 的介入，计算出使用者最大概率的移动情况进行轨迹的补充。有点类似于Strava 在接收到各种不同设备上传的数据后进行的计算…。明天我试试这个模式下，轨迹数据会不会出现如此奇葩情形。

@mihaylo_kovin 10 ай бұрын

I feel like Apple is cheating (only in this mode ofcourse) =) And you catch them! Thanks for the video)

@-peaceful-sky 10 ай бұрын

Hello everyone, I own the latest Apple Watch Ultra 2, and I primarily use a Samsung phone. I'm wondering if the GPS tracking will still work without a cellular plan? I mainly use this watch for workouts and prefer not to bring my iPhone Pro Max with me because it's too heavy.

@ChaseTheSummit 10 ай бұрын

Yes, you don’t need a cellular plan to use the watch. However you do need an iPhone to activate and use the watch. Apple Watches don’t work with android phones.

@veronicazimmerman3294 10 ай бұрын

Has anyone sorted how to stop Apple from lpausing workout” when you remove the watch? Some of my wrist heavy movements are better suited to the arm Band … I’d like the clock to keep going

@Sinasi08 10 ай бұрын

Can you do the ultra traik with both the AWU2 and the Garmin 965? And then share it with us? Thanks

@nazukeoya 10 ай бұрын

Just so you know...if you were to cut off your hand and allow it to run around on the street to meet up with you later, a la Thing, then we wouldn't judge you.

@amshaq007CR7 10 ай бұрын

Next year when i buy one i will let you know 😂

@22jeepmojave75 10 ай бұрын

Have you tried it in dark environments?

@leojagawaga6481 10 ай бұрын

Why Use Low Power Mode When Watch has New Three Day Capacity Battery ? Thanks

@Will_Roman7 10 ай бұрын

My concern for your race is will the battery life finish the race on the Apple Watch ultra

@davidkipperman5218 10 ай бұрын

So if I'm on a hike with no cell service is the Apple watch STILL worthless? How are the offline maps with GPS with the new software update? Asking for a friend. 😎

@dan.b 10 ай бұрын

I think they should leverage the gyroscope too, instead of maps only. They would see the direction of the movement, at least.

@savagedriver1967 10 ай бұрын

All these sensors are turned off in ultra low power mode I think, so that's not a possibility.

@milanpintar 10 ай бұрын

GLHF on the ultra marathon

@scottnorton9304 10 ай бұрын

The consequences of integrating Apple maps into a gps track...

@ChaseTheSummit 10 ай бұрын

Yup, not a bad thing in some ways. In other ways, it can get kinda funky!

@scottnorton9304 10 ай бұрын

@@ChaseTheSummit always give and take, this will definitely have it's uses. Even if it's just road running

@KeizerNyberg 10 ай бұрын

I would think low power mode isn’t meant to be turned on when you use your watch for exactly that. Because it kind of defeats the purpose of it.

@leojagawaga6481 10 ай бұрын

Will gps work in Europe Start Location Return ?

@savagedriver1967 10 ай бұрын

If I understand correctly, the behaviour is different, depending on whether or not an iPhone is being used when tracking an activity.

@ChaseTheSummit 10 ай бұрын

Correct. If your phone is nearby it will leverage maps data. If not it will be a bit jerky.

@savagedriver1967 10 ай бұрын

@@ChaseTheSummit it would be good to repeat what you did without your iPhone, to see how it deals with the path through the woods after the baseball pitch.

@rich2kite 10 ай бұрын

If you load the race gpx on the apple do you think it would follow better (post run comparison)

@savagedriver1967 10 ай бұрын

Good question.

@RunnerRemRem 10 ай бұрын

100% post processed data by Apple Maps.

@xc9072 10 ай бұрын

Apple has the best algos and machine learning but this is gone comletely wrong! Great info in this video, well done.

@ChaseTheSummit 10 ай бұрын

The low power / reduced accuracy mode is quite impressive considering the watch will run 60-100 hours like this and get “decent” accuracy as long as there’s map data. But if there isn’t map data… we get this!

@savagedriver1967 10 ай бұрын

What makes you say that?

@stanmakowski1985 10 ай бұрын

Great information! Not a good look for Apple and the Ultra. It's good to know that the normal settings give good and accurate information but that just reinforces the fact that Apple has a long way to go in the battery area to be truly considered a Ultra watch and in the same conversation as Garmin, Coros or Suunto. Best of luck in the upcoming race, very interested to see the results on what watch you used.

@freepat101 10 ай бұрын

IDK - I think it's a net positive for 99% plus AWU users and maybe even 90%+ of Chase The Summit viewers. The ability to go for a run with ultra low power mode enabled and only use a fraction of the normal battery use is really cool for most users. This is especially true if you're not planning to run through unmarked trails. If you know that you'll be running/hiking off the beaten path, would be better to have the device fully charged and use normal settings.

@mrnicbst 10 ай бұрын

So basically Apple's recording is as bad as their maps were at the start. Ridiculous that it assumes you're in the middle of a road on a watch. Hikes will be interesting to see.

@ChaseTheSummit 10 ай бұрын

Keep in mind that this is in “reduced accuracy mode” where most of the competition is also REALLY bad including Garmin’s ultra track mode. In normal GPS activities the Ultra 2 is VERY good.

@maciejcichocki4535 10 ай бұрын

👍

@Oharsh0928 10 ай бұрын

Maybe I missed it, but you try the same track on regular mode (not on low power mode)

@ChaseTheSummit 10 ай бұрын

GPS accuracy in regular workout mode is great. See my full review for that.

@CanInelli 10 ай бұрын

Except Open Water Swimming :( I got the Ultra 1 on day 1 and have been open water swimming daily, terrible GPS reliability. I just bought the Epix Pro yesterday and I will try out that one tomorrow. Hope the Epix Pro is better.@@ChaseTheSummit

@BradFeeser 10 ай бұрын

Firstly, I hope you send this discovery back to Apple. And second… WHICH WATCH ARE YOU GOING TO BRING WITH YOU TOMORROW?

@ChaseTheSummit 10 ай бұрын

I'll have a few watches lol.

@bsmukler 10 ай бұрын

⁠I predict your Garmin (any of them) will turn out to be more trustworthy, accurate, and, oh yeah, still working at the conclusion of your race. I’ve been testing the AW2 this week, alongside my current Garmin (Epix Pro 2 51mm), struggling to get WorkOutDoors working correctly, and also struggling to learn shortcut programming so the Action button turns on the flashlight during sleep hours. I’m wondering why I am trying so hard to get the AW2 to work as well as my Garmin watches have always done. I used Garmin Pay at the store this afternoon, and have my Starbucks Card saved as an Activity. With gesture mode, the Epix Pro gets almost as long battery life as the Enduro 2. That’s nuts! What more is necessary?

@newsnetworkz 10 ай бұрын

LOL, so it's all AI generated route for AW ULTRA 2, not your true track 😂 This is what actually happening in photography as well, it's all AI generated, nothing will be of any true kind anymore

@claudiojaramillo5177 10 ай бұрын

It's obvious that the Apple watch is extrapolating the path you took by assuming you're always following marked paths. I get it, but it's a bad choice for the target audience of the Ultra

@alexshraib 10 ай бұрын

Looks like the Ultra is just a different form factor for the same audience.

@Dovales1 10 ай бұрын

I disagree. I have never thought on using this "ultra low power mode" with reduced GPS and heart rate readings because of the inaccuracy of the GPS (heart rate doesn't bother me that much). But now, with that updated way of operating, it makes me think about it when running/hiking on known paths (Apple Maps known paths). 🤔

@tisferry8205 10 ай бұрын

I was impressed when Apple presented the Apple Watch Ultra 1 and going off track into the wilderness, with very accurate waypoints etcetera. I can confirm that, as soon as you leave the beaten path, the accuracy is all over the place. Very disappointing stuff…

@ChaseTheSummit 10 ай бұрын

To be fair, the GPS accuracy in regular GPS mode is quite good. I'd say industry leading up there with the top end Garmin's. But this Low Power business get's a bit weird when you're off the beaten track!