Your poor dm trying to make good encounters

@@user-mu8ok5xf8d I am the DM. Lol

@@hereticsteve5435 You Poor DM

@@user-mu8ok5xf8d I have to think outside the box. Example, there is a Rakshasa that is the crime lord of a region and main town. He has the group dropped off on his own personal island and he hunts them like predator. I also gave the Rakshasa the powers of the gloomstalker Ranger subclass.

I’m in a group with an echo knight, shadow monk rouge multiclass, eloquence bard, dream druid, chronomancy wizard and life claric. The dm had to throw a shadow gold dragon with a undead paladin/claric at us

I’m not sure it would change much. Druid might change to Wildfire since you get an expanded spell list. Most of that list is powerful because you get more character options that have versatility.

This is an excellent idea as I believe as people play more the OP options become less appealing and would like to see players thoughts

The results of such a poll would be too subjective and dependent on individual tables, contexts, and people's personalities. The demographic surveyed would likewise be the audience that actually looks up DnD stuff, so to begin with, the results would already be skewed one way or another. As well, there'd be little to talk about aside from stating numbers.

I usually find the most fun to play depends on my group and how my PC meshes with that. RN my fave is my Fire Genasi Wild Path Barbarian. Shes just so fun and the other players are just so fun to play her against

Prefer to play the weaker ones just to be more creative and make it a little harder

The problem with alchemist is not even that they are situational, but the fact that this subclass don't give any good abilities at all. Strictly speaking you can make any Artificier an alchemist and it wouldn't feel different narrative-wise except you would be stronger as well. Agreed on other points. There are plenty solid options even if not clear best.

Ancient paladin zealot barbarian with shield master is quite fun.

They really dropped the ball on the alchemist, I always felt it should have been it's on class instead of shoehorned into the artificer.

@@markcarpenter6020 I will admit, that would've made for an interesting extra Int caster class.

@@aegisScale Agreed and it would have let them develop mechanics more suited to an alchemist than the artificer and imagine the subclasses. Healing, explosion, poison, acid....just off the top of my head.

I 100% agree. the base fighter class has almost nothing in it adding maneuvers would hinder much. Plus it's the only martial class without a gimmick it has nothing the yells fighter besides action surge which they get to use once per rest until 17th level. Which at that point isn't a gimmick.

I've always thought that Battlemaster was how all Monks should play. The maneuvers always felt like the kind of stuff a monk should be able to do.

Champion with Battle Master maneuvers would be really exciting to play. Especially if it got a free maneuver on critical hits.

Apparently maneuvers were almost part of the base fighter

@@jacobhamilton2473 i really honestly think champion fighter could also be dissolved into base class. if you've ever played one, you are really aware of how it feels to watch everyone in your party do cool stuff just to have, like, proficiency in athletics and a slightly improved crit range, which isnt even unique to the champion fighter. it just feels like MORE fighter-y fighter.

Agreed, these charts are almost totally useless to someone with a level of colorblindness

Yes!

Not only the legend, but the pie chart itself should, by all the rules of proper data presentation, be sorted by content in some meaningful way (in this case, clearly number of votes). And it should start at 12 o'clock and go clockwise. Would make reading the darn things so much easier. You wouldn't have to pause and figure stuff out. Also, including the percentages in the legend as well would have been nice.

Yes, also please just use a bar chart next time. Pie charts are next to worthless. A chart with percentages would be more helpful

Agreed - I truly appreciate the work that goes into the content and no one does it as well as the Dungeon Dudes, however the bar charts would do a much better job of making that effort much more legible.

I just started DMing a game and my bard was leaning between eloquence and lore... That's exactly what I was worried about, that he would get pigeon-holed into being the face at the expense of our Sorceress whose backstory is basically, "Hello everyone, look at me." Fortunately, I believe he's selected College of Lore. Any game mechanic that removes an entire aspect of the game is one you should be cautious about, imo.

That's silly. Aberrant Mind Sorcs are some of the best charm casters, on top of getting innate (subtled) Detect Thoughts. It's true Eloquence has an easier time being the face of the party but you're the designated lie detector/secret finder. High ability to contribute on top of messing with the GM is a clear win/win.

The truly carisma Master is the Fey wanderer

I mean i respect what you're saying, but i disagree, the aberrant's mind main focus isn't to be the true face, the appeal goes to the telekinesis, and to the wonderful things it does in combat. In any dnd game there may be a level of overlaping, but you gotta understand that the kits are different and sometimes youll be worse than others at certain things and vice-versa and that's totally ok. I just dont feel the eloquence bard invalidates other charisma based characters, i truly dont, especially since they have other resources that the eloquence bard simply doesnt have. Also eloquence bard only works for persuasion and deception, which means that depending on your dm ruling, some people just cant be persuaded, and may need to be intimidated (for example).

@@pedroreis1369 that’s fair, personally I do really like both the concept and my friend’s execution of the eloquence bard, the issue was that our campaign really didn’t call for a character that was good at subterfuge and that honestly our party really didn’t need two charisma based characters. I didn’t mean to imply that the eloquence bard completely invalidates other charisma classes, it’s more that depending on the campaign, it does have the potential to outshine others in pretty common scenarios

I play an archfey warlock. At Level 14 you can basically do the Tsukuyomi on enemies. I am Intending to play him like Itachi

Man I love the Feylock, it may not be the strongest but I love the flavor of your patron being this relatively chill dude who sits in a forest

Yes, "play what you want". However, some classes (such as your Great Old One) do suffer in certain campaigns. GoOs might be really powerful in a city-based campaign, but are really struggle if the majority of the campaign was in the wilderness or fighting undead. My issue with "play what you want" is that many players get an idea in their mind of how they envision their character and that really doesn't pan out in actual play. You picture your ranger as a Mongolian archer... only to find your horse gets one-shotted all the time or combat is never at distances of more than 100' (dungeons, cities, etc.) or you envision of armored dwarven wizard using an axe, only to find you drop too quickly in combat (medium armor, no shield, low HPs) and you stand back and magic missile everything anyway. I don't know how many times I've seen new players roll up different characters around 3rd-4th simply as mechanics to make certain concepts difficult.

People see GOO has very weak? I definitely see it as non optimal but who would see GOO as weak

@@bradleyhall1815 yeah Goolock is pretty solid idk why they think it’s weak

The strongest subclass is the twilight cleric lol. Nothing else compares. Twilight cleric starts out strong at level 1 and stays insanely strong all the way to level 20

@@bartholomewjenkins164 I would support that outcome wholeheartedly, but I would still watch a video about it.

They do have a video talking about how they would improve the worst subclasses, which fits for your first idea pretty well, I think.

@@ChrisHendricks Yeah, I loved that video, and I would be very excited if they did it for more low-rated subclasses. :)

I love that underdog idea! It makes it a lot less intimidating to try something off the beaten path, which I always like seeing!

At some levels the shepard druid is probably even more powerful than the moon druid.

I've been playing a Shepherd Druid for about 30 sessions from Level 4-8, and it's insanely good to the point where I worry about overshadowing the rest of the party with my summons. It takes Conjure Animals, and already amazing spell, and amps it up. However, one of the most underrated parts of the subclass is the spirit totem's Unicorn option, which turns you into the second-best healer in the game behind the Life Cleric. Using it with Healing Word is like casting Mass Healing Word with a 1st-level spell slot, over and over again. Only limited by short rests, but typically you get a short rest in between the biggest fights.

@@BoPeep_42 I heavily underutilized the unicorn totem so much. To the point when I would cast a totem my default would be bear totem. They are both good but I think putting down unicorn totems and healing would have been better than simply adding 12 temp hp to everyone in the party smh

@@visitora.n.d.1699 Indeed - I have occasionally used the Bear totem if I'm low on spell slots, especially since it adds to party members who are already at max HP. But Unicorn is usually my go-to!

Same, my first character was shepherd druid too... I really like him! unicorn totem (reflavoured to toad totem for my character) has really saved our party's arse a couple of times by being able to heal downed PC's at lower levels without line of sight

Ha, respect to the party for actually taking up JoCat on that one.

@@jacabo136 it can be fun... saw it once w a Light, Life, War, and Forge.

lol our CoS campaign started with Twilight Cleric, Grave Cleric, Life Cleric...and me the Anc Guardian Barbarian!

Most core classes are playable even without their subclasses, so the variety might be cool, but I don't know whether the subclasses being the "worst" will really matter.

I made a one shot like that. At level 5. And it mostly just came down to the core class. The war wizard never used his abilities but was still really good since it is a wizard.

A party full of bad monks would be awful

@@beneteus3833 war wizard is good in my experience

Was he not using tactical wit?

As somebody who just finished a 3-20 campaign as one, my personal fave was taking find familiar with magic initiate, to give advantage on the attacks. If I had really wanted to optimize, I would’ve played as an elf and taken elven accuracy, and then gotten triple advantage every turn.

@maruner so did i! We just finished ours. I ended up taking 5 levels in battlemaster, using a whip and shield (my dm let me use polearm master with it) and halfway through the campaign we did a huge quesf for an ancient silver dragon, that i convinced to give me powers. So i ended up with 9 levels swashbuckler/5 battlemaster and 5 draconic sorcerer. I could put out more damage than our conquest paladin and be more seductive/persuasive lol. Just dont ask me to investigate stuff, my rogue wasnt built for that lol.

Swashbuckler fathomless warlock. Badaboom, you got Davy Jones

The artillerist is far better than both of them. My friends and I play pvp quite a bit and the artillerist artificer is not only the strongest artificer, it’s also one of the strongest classes overall.

@@jail13ot63 pvp is a very specific circumstance though. Fighting the rival adventuring company is the closest most tables come, and while it's a great d&d trope, it's generally a very small part of what your character will do.

I don't really see how the artillerist would be better in pvp. That said, being good at PvP is not really a high bar of measure. For instance the best subclass for PvP is most likely a whisper bard, as it gets to use all of its powers, deal a ton of psychic damage, and has the best spell versatility. I can tell you from personal experience that the whisper bard isn't really that good of a subclass in standard play.

Battle Smith really reminds me of a more optimized Paladin. The biggest problem with Paladin is that you can’t use CHA for your to hit modifier, but Battle Smith solves this so swiftly, and allows you to do it on multiple weapons too. I’ve REALLY enjoyed my time with the heavy crossbow build - such good damage output from range, especially if you can get a Faerie Fire up early. Plus it supports your allies! And that’s just one potential build. I’m intrigued by the idea of a Battle Smith that goes all in on AC, or a heavy weapon master one that utilizes the steel defender to block attacks. But man I couldn’t be happier that repeating shot hack.

@@BoPeep_42 my current Battle Smith build is a defensive battle smith. My AC is 20 at level 5, with the shield spell, absorb elements, and as a tiefling hellish rebuke for when I somehow do get hit. I'm looking forward to getting the Spell-Storing Item ability at lvl 11 because I will hand the steel defender 10 uses of Warding Bond every day so I have total resistance and +1 AC. Sure the little guy will eat a ton of my damage for me, but mending is free, cure wounds isn't.

My only reason for choosing a Way of the Four Elements Monk was because I thought that it would be able to do some Avatar-like stuff. I understand that the bending can't really be implemented into D&D but I really didn't think it would be as useless as it was. If I were to re-design it I would give it some bending-based abilities and perhaps more ki points or just replace them with skill slots or sth because especially during the first like 3 levels or so you just do one skill and you're out of MP. P. S. : It was my first campaign so I really didn't have much of an idea how D&D worked when I was choosing class and later on, subclass. A year or so later I am now starting play with a Hex Warlock. Hopefully I will prove more useful this time around and not die as much

Honestly, I would straight up just let Monks make their dual wield attacks without a bonus action, and reduce Flurry of Blows to 1 attack. That feels like it should be one of the base features for what it means to be a Monk, just like Rogue Sneak Attack and Fighter Extra Attacks + Action Surge. The martial arts die and monk weapon system using the die and DEX just... doesn't feel like enough. Just allowing you to dual wield with your fists isn't a good enough baseline feature when you can just equip two swords and still kick a lot of ass.

A monk redesign sounds like a good idea. Mostly the class just needs a lot of streamlining and better damage output. Oh and stunning strike needs a total overhaul to make it less of a delete button.

@@zeterzero4356 I have been toying with the idea of letting monk use two subclasses as a weak patch. I mean obviously not two of the stronger subclasses but like a Primary and a secondary. So if you want to go Mercy and then pick up Four Elements to play Aang I see it not being too powerful but the base kit needs a total overhaul.

@@galinivanov1171 You could work with your DM for homebrew weapons to make regular attacks flavor-texted as the element you want to work with. For example, I have a character with some homebrew magic darts that are a deck of cards. When I roll an attack, I also roll a second d4 for the house of the card to determine its damage type (fire, ice, lightning, acid). You could do the same to control the 4 elements or specify a weapon that changes for a specific element like the water whip doing slashing damage or a fountain doing bludgeoning or using water to freeze for cold damage.

so are abjurers

My Scribes wizard has a spellbook that acts a lot like Jarvis. Very dry and droll sense of humor that keeps the wizard humble, and it's hilarious.

100% I wound up playing one through a strange circumstance- it takes a bit of organization, but i don't think there's any other class/subclass that allows the creativity that the Creation Bard offers.

@@ashmustard5077 I don't think having anything you need qualifies as creativity.

"There's a fridge with a GUN IN ITS HANDS"

​@@regaleagle6533 I absolutely mean this with no malice- but that answer shows a lack of creativity! "Anything you need?" No, I didn't need a statue of a mimic to animate- did I want one, and was it amazingly fun/practical in combat? Yep! :)

I'd love to play one, but I think I don't have the creativity to live up to it's potential, and my party is pretty pure-dps combat oriented. Such cool flavor though.

I would have voted for Artillerist as the most powerful one

I’m actually playing an Artificer/Rogue who does a great job as a skill monkey/infiltrator (dumped Charisma, but we have a bard to cover that)

Agreed. The magic oriented Artificer subclasses get nothing even when it comes to basic cantrips. They get a measly 2 up till 10th level (one of which is more often than not eaten up with Mending, for arcane cannons/steel defenders). I seriously hope they take another look at this when 5.5 comes around.

You might assume so, but as someone who plays a lot of dnd pvp I can tell you the artillerist is one of the strongest classes in the game and my personal favorite. Your AC is one of the highest possible as well as your spell accuracy if you take the proper infusions. I use a variant human/ tasha’s variant to get the lucky feat. The result is AC 21/26 with the shield spell, if they break that you can spend a lucky die. Then flash of genius/ lucky and absorb elements get you through any saving throws you might need to make. Eventually you can make winged boots which gives you non concentration flying to avoid anything without a ranged attack. You can’t be touched while you snipe everything around you with a +2 enchanted wand/pistol that adds 1d8 and your force ballista attacks with your bonus action.

@@jail13ot63 yup. Also at low levels protection from good and evil/blur with the protection turret and that same AC that you mentioned. It simply shuts down encounters and if you do get hurt a little you still have cute wounds on your spell list

Back before the drunken fist monk released, I was trying to come up with one. The idea was that they were going to have more ki points and some other abilities, but huge drawbacks like exhaustion and charisma debuffs. I was also trying to write in a way to rehabilitate and go into other monk subclasses. Probably sacrificing a couple levels. I liked the idea because somewhere between level 8 and 12 you start having enough ki points to cut loose, but before that you feel so limited

I feel if they at least took a page from another unofficial subclass, "way of the living weapon" which has a class ability at level three to increase the martial arts die up one size, even just making that an option to trade out for one of the other monk class skills, I'd be happy with that. I'm planning to play a Tabaxi monk in the next game I play and try to ask the gm to let me swap one or two abilities for that and another alternative racial feat at level 4 to build off of my character's backstory

You think the Monk was... better in 3.5? That's a new opinion to me. I admit the Monk could use some slight buffs to bring it up to par on 5e but have *never* heard anyone say it's worse than 3.5's monk. I'd enjoy hearing why.

@@BladeDragoonZETA it kind of depends on how much access to different resources you have. With enough source books you can get quite heavy support feats wise for monks which obviously isn't the case in 5e so if you spent the time and combined some powerful feats, races and so on you can create truely beastly monks.

@@BladeDragoonZETA slight buff.... Slight buff. Double his abilities and he is still underpowered in 5e.

@@MegaMrsuperawesome Monks need more in 5e but their core chassis is far closer to baseline than they were in 3.5. The only major benefit monks in 3 5 get is that they have higher base damage dice. Most of the other benefits are inherent to 3.5s less balanced nature.

Not friendship that’s been made clear.

Forge Cleric looks awesome. I want to play one as a Tortle at some point.

Forge is my favourite cleric subclass, closely followed by tempest!

Been playing a mountain dwarf forge cleric and can confirm!

Playing a Hill Dwarf Forge Cleric now, so much fun. I literally made a moveable Faraday cage with the channel divinity feature in order to circumvent the DM's lightning mephit level, and provide the party with as many frag. grenades as we can afford. I love the versatility the subclass brings; you can do almost anything with a little imagination.

Its honestly because Forge fails off really hard after level 6 compared to the other subclasses, but it definitely doesn’t help that Twilight and Peace are so strong that not even second place is really even worthy of A tier by comparison.

Eloquence Bards are basically S for pushing the Bard's social skills and Inspiration to the max, whereas Lore Bards are S for pushing the Bard's skill monkeying and spellcasting to the max - the best aspects of the Bard.

Ya, currently playing a Lore Bard in Mad Mage and she's ridiculously op. With a spell DC of 19 and having went all in on damage spells + spellsniper (gotta have eldritch blast), she can end encounters before they begin.

Our first time player wizard ended a oneshot recently like this, we revealed in the fight that the creature had an acid weakness so she cast fireball as acid damage on it (hitting two of the party as well but we both made our saves and it failed) and absolutely demolished it. Was a great moment.

Same here. I feel like Kelly and Monty create videos to suggest new strategies and stuff but you still see them playing and their characters aren't trying to break the campaign or something. Other people just make a post that says: "you want a 10 level character? Yeah, just pick this and this, multiclass into that and that way you can be invincible", while the Dudes are always talking about how being stronk isn't the most important thing.

Tbf they don't optimize well and a lot of their opinions are based on "this feels/looks strong" or has been strong in their personal campaigns. Actual optimization is a process that one needs to learn and then apply to ones own circumstances. Eloquence bard is gonna have incredibly different amounts of success depending on what your DM specifically lets you get away with, its still a very powerful class but it will be broken in some groups. Some of the worse subclasses tend to have RP implications that some DMs will play into while others will not so its hard to predict success and its more common that they won't get supported. Just glancing through the comments on this video I have seen multiple people argue that their class was rated too low simply because in their experience their DM allowed them to do things that thematically make sense but have no rules text.

Or giving yourself advantage on a target twice a short rest 🥴

@@agentorange739 flanking is a thing though if you're smart lol

@@ulyssesthedm It is optional rule, so it isn't that consistent.

Of course, edge is like salt it makes things taste interesting in moderation and in the right context but when used poorly it overpowers the other flavours. I find vengeance pal to have just the right amount of edge

I'm really surprised the Ancients Paladin didn't get more votes, giving most of the party resistance against _all_ spells is kinda crazy.

I played what you described for our Curse of Strahd campaign. Positively amazing character, lol. Except I used a hand crossbow and added Crossbow Expert for disgusting versatility in every fight.

Ironically, I play my Armorer as leaning more into alchemy for spellcasting and flavour. To my imagination it's more immersive to quickly mix together a couple vials of strange ingredients and whip it forward than simply waving a tool in the bad guys' direction like a magic wand. Even her Arcane Armour is made out of alchemically-altered metal so that it's formed more like insect chitin

@@SilentSooYun Like I said, the flavor Alchemist is Michelin Star Quality! Like when I cast Tasha’s Caustic Brew I described it as popping a Mentos in a Coke bottle. But the core mechanic of Experimental Elixir is…..bad. Almost unplayably bad.

Hexblade 5 (polearm master, hexblade's curse, improved pact weapon/thirsting blade, eldritch smite, devil's sight+darkness), paladin 2 (divine smite), swords bard X (blade flourishes, more spell slots) is the ultimate smite peddler. Forget overdone hexadins, hexabardins are the flavour of the day!

2 levels in paladin with the other levels in swords bard with PAM and GWM is pretty fun :)

Huh, never thought about doing swords bard with a greatsword, that would be pretty fun too. I feel like this game needs more martial options to play around with AC like how battlemaster has

@@DERyuga You can if you get martial weapons from either Paladin or Hexblade (and Blade Pact so you can make a two-hander your Hex Weapon), but then your Fighting Style choice as a Swords Bard is basically useless unless you decide to use a backup weapon.

@@Mrryn I feel like with paladin you can easily bypass that

Agreed. My horizon walker character feels so fun to play. Zephyr strike was my favourite spell.

I have also played a goblin alchemist and while the subclass is weak, I do agree that it is super fun to play regardless

Same. I have a College of Swords Bard multi-classed as a Rogue Assassin. And just going off to sneak and attack and then getting them with Hideous laughter... It's brutal but effective

I mean... that's the point of the cleric video. If they excluded Twilight then Peace would have run away with the victory.

@@tinkerer3399 And if you exclude that you still have order and zeal

Twilight clerics are amazing. But I also find that Grave Clerics are insane when the party gets into a battle where they bite off more than they can chew. I eas a grave cleric in a party where we ended up getting into a lot of combats where players were dropped to zero hp. And in those situations, healing is always max. Mixing them with a Life Cleric essentially is guaranteeing that nobody else will die in the party.

I also play a twilight in a murder mystery sci fi campaign on a moon and its sooo fun! I just turned lvl 6!😊

Your not suppose to keep using them. At higher levels you use the extra abilities instead of the daggers and you get the benefit of never being unarmed

@@user-mu8ok5xf8d and thats a fair way to play, but for me and my games We use a lot of homebrew items and it simply means that compared to other players in the group the person picking the soul knife loses thier insintive to keep using their classes special weapons, which are really cool and unique

@@kythewolf2969 maybe talk to your dm about making items or feats that would add damage to your daggers. Like something that makes psychic damage you do add a dice or somthing

@@kythewolf2969 i think it wouldn't be a huge stretch for your dm to homebrew a magic item that gave +1/2/3 to your psychic daggers. For unarmed there are amulets that do it, so it wouldn't be that hard. A good dm would do this for you i feel like

@@caelandemaziere7939 My point is it shouldnt be an item I'd homebrew, i'd simply up the dice size of the daggers at like level 8 or 10 and call it a day

Imagine if you just took a 2 level dip into Stars then multi-classed into another spell-caster. A Wizard with the Dragon form is busted.

@@noahmehringer29 oh that's for sure! That's something to keep in mind later on

Circle of stars can also be the best druid subclass if you can get your hand on a mizzium appearatus and take a level in an arcane caster to meat the attuning requirement. The dragon form makes that item incredibly busted and leads to an incredibly powerful spellcaster

@@ronben-ezer8373 Cool, I'll check it out. Thanks!

@@DDCRExposed it’s a magic item that lets you cast any spell on your class’s (if multiclassing, any spell on any of your classes’) spell list, as long as it’s for a level you have slots for, at will. This is an uncommon item. The downside is that you have to succeed on a DC 10+twice the spell level arcana check, or you lose the slot and instead cast a randomly determined spell. With the dragon form, this is pretty fucking powerful

Yeah I've been playing a glory paladin for awhile now, metallic silver dragonborne from fizbans. Up to level 16 now and the glorious defense is rather busted +5 to Ac reaction and if the attack misses my now 30 ac I get to attack the attacker back plus can target nearby allies with this effect. I love this oath for role play reasons as well the dueling aspect of it and desire to improve seems more reasonable and perhaps not quite extreme as other tenets for other oaths.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n619iZCVvLDbmGg.html these are the worst ranked subclasses and how they would improve them

Honestly savant wizards should have the same sort of limitations that arcane tricksters and eldritch knights have that each time you get a new spell slot level (1/3/5/7/9/11/13/15/17) has to be from your savant school of choice. Blade singer, scribes, graviturgist and chronomancy I am not sure about (I have suggestions) but they likewise should have some sort of limitation. Chronomancy and graviturgist should pick dunamancy spells at those levels. Blade singers could have target *self* spells, scribes could have no limitations to set them apart.

You are guys are so awesome

I have a player who has a great old one warlock. He I actually accepted the pact without knowing in his backstory so I’ve had it be a bit of a mystery with this entity. He keeps having visions of a wave of coalescing black hands enveloping him.

yo i’d love to hear that story actually? that sounds cool as hell!

@@thesuperduck24 Honestly not too much to tell? It was a pretty short one-shot. Me and four other players journeyed into a temple to stop a group of cultists. First room we went in we were ambushed, my druid lost a good chunk of health, and proceeded to turn into an Ancient White Dragon. I took out two of these four-armed demon things by myself, the party handled the rest on their turns. As an Ancient White Dragon, I could pretty much ignore difficult terrain by flying over everything. We get to the main temple area, It's crawling with baddies. We get into the encounter and everyone's keeping distance and fighting strategically. Meanwhile I could just go ham, tank a ton of damage, and just dish it out. I didn't even get a chance to turn into anything else. Finally, we got to the summoning circle the cultists and other monsters were guarding. My dragon self just flies in, lands atop the statue in the center of the circle, and casts Sunburst. Giving a look of divinity for the enemy. The party was blinded, but all of the enemies were dusted.

Moon Druid at early levels and again at level 20 is absolutely nutty. However, the community seems to "forget" that their relative power dips alot in the mid-late game (10+) relative to other subclasses, and i actually think Shepherd, Stars & Wildifre can throw down with Moon Druid when going all levels.

​@@carumsarene That sounds awesome and I'm glad you had fun :) However, I'm not gonna discuss the "OPness" of the druid, but maybe the DM was distracted when he let that fly: Moon druids have their wildshapes' CR limited to a third of their level (rounded down) - so, 6 CR max at 20th level. And dragons are in a different category from Beast (or elemental), so you wouldn't be able to wildshape into one. An Ancient White Dragon is a CR 20 creature - as you said, an adequate level 20 encounter. But unless you used Shapechange and you previously encountered an Ancient White Dragon to use that shape (similar to True Polymorph, something the Wizard, the Warlock and the Bard can also cast), you wouldn't be able to turn into one. That wasn't actually proof of the power of the druid, just proof of how a distracted DM can cause players to have a skewed perspective on the classes' true potential. Apart from that, if the table had fun playing it, more power to you all. Take care.

@@Morphineus Exactly this. A 20 moon druid might be the best damage sponge in the game, but otherwise not as amazing as they at first sound. The forms they can take are a bit underwhelming. If they could turn into dragons (which they very much cannot), they'd be massively over powered.

Honestly Hexblade is my favourite warlock subclass and i kinda agree, sure you can have a sentient weapon patron but the thing is, They arent limited to ooga booga sentient weapon patron. The subclass description clearly says, "The force behind these weapons" meaning the shadowfell/Raven Queen. And they can also play a spellcaster Hexblade who doesnt use weapons. Hex warrior is usually seen for the profficiency with martial weapons but it gives profficiency in shields and armor. its such a great subclass but most of the people who use it just dont utilize it all you know?

Paly/lock in our Sunday afternoon game, his patron is going to be an angel sword (which will level up with him). I don’t like to use the hex blade as ONLY from the shadowfell. Sentient weapons of all alignments/ origins can be a patron.

@@samanthacousland870 That sounds really cool! I think the idea of a magic item that gains new abilities is really cool and should be explored more outside of home-brew and critical role

Just change the temp hp to be half level rounded down + 1d6. That fixes everything.

I have one in my Curse of Strahd campaign, may God have mercy on Strahds soul.

@@Gransterman oh dang. seriously though, my group is also playing CoS right now but when we rolled our characters, we didn’t know that’s what the adventure would be. I built a light cleric and thought I was overpowered until I looked at twilight! That Channel Divinity is going to make your DM tear their hair out, lol.

I can say very confidently that there are plenty of things in Strahd's castle that a Twilight Domain cleric wouldn't be able to handle other than Strahd.

I ran CoS with a party of 6 including a Twilight Cleric -- they still needed DM intervention not to TPK at multiple times. I am certain that in some campaigns, at some tables, with some groups, they can *feel* busted, but I never ocne was as frustrated by that as I was by the same player when he played a stunning-strike-happy monk...

Thats a really surprising combination but it actually kinda works pretty well, you just get to spam those Booming Blade dice and still help your party with the constant Temp HP

Anyone can do this not just artillerist and 3 feats is a huge cost

@@isaiahjohnson9786 True, but this way really amps the damage up and there are great offsets with +1/+2 weapons to balance out stat losses of having three feats, as well as great options that make you more than just that combi. Cool idea!

@@isaiahjohnson9786 yes but the temp hit points as no need for bonus action and the artificer items just maximise the build unlike a few others

I didn’t think arcane firearm worked for melee attacks. Since it has to be cast through a wand…

I know right? After seeing peace cleric in action this class is just AS broken as twilight if not more. peace cleric kept our melee fighters alive against an onslaught of pumpkins.

You want to know what's even more broken? The no of people in the bond and the no of uses per day SCALES WITH PROFICIENCY! You can dip ONE LEVEL and gain the full effect of one of the most brokenly strong game features 😭

*1d4 on every attack and save + 1d4 on one attack or save per turn. Still really powerful

Twilight not only gets the temp hp, but a lot of some of the best spells you can find for cleric extra spells. if you have your Twilight Sanctuary and Circle of Power both active, your party gets a crapton of temp hp, evasion against all saving throw types, and advantage against those saves, making your party practically immortal. theres also Aura of Vitality, which can give a crapton of healing to the party every turn. or you could have Spirit Guardians and Spiritual Weapon active at the same time, to absolutely screw up any enemies you come across while still having Twilight Sanctuary up, which the sanctuary also grants Half Cover at the capstone. all while flying out of the range of anyone trying to hit you and the aura still protecting your allies, and with spells as an action proper to deal with more while you already have a crapton of effects up Peace Cleric is definitely up there as what i think is a REALLY close second, but Twilight Domain is basically plot armor for the party on top of a full on howitzer. i have been in a game with a Twilight cleric for the better part of last year, and we only finally had someone go down when the DM sent 4 monsters with higher cr than us, including a Zombie Beholder. and that player was immediately brought back up easily by the cleric. and this guy isnt even a healing/support build as his focus!

The problem with healing is its only particularly useful if people are going down... a lot. Unless you're playing a hard-core game, most people are balancing combat and RP so death and reasonable risk of death are a rarity. Whereas condition ending, buffs and utility of Twilight is useful always. Peace ultimately has the more powerful package, but the fact its max potential is needed or used much less often, means its less impactful on average.