For anyone saying Shiv betrayed Kendall, he was transforming into Logan by the minute with his abusive tactics toward Rome to attain power. He opened up Rome would, laid his hands on him, and pushed a pregnant Shiv. The Finale shows that they are not serious people.

no max, the show ended, there's no more.

Didn’t like the ending I think Kendall should have won Finally became a killer - oh well Could have stopped watching in S1 - nothing changed

He’s better off

@@waynereid9471 Lazy, boring writing. That would be such a eye roll of an ending. It was takeaway all the wonderful Shakespearean influence and turn it into just another boring american tv show.

I know 4 is him becoming CEO but what are the other 3?

At end of 3 he went from parks & cruises to ATN right?

@@WellBattle6 I think that was the end of season 1

@@alenv5329 There was the unassisted triple play at the end of season 3, he warned Logan which led to the kids being cut out

​@@alenv5329Season 3 ended by him being appointed new greggy to logan

Shiv won

​@@veronicacarranza7965 She ultimately became her mother, sticking to a powerful man who won't leave her or her (presumably only) child without nothing, whether or not she be LIKE her mother(in terms of parenting as she even says she was a terrible parent) isn't said, but we can all assume so

​@Veronica Carranza Shiv will never be in charge, she will just be in close proximity to someone who did win.

@@redadmiralofvalyria867 Tom's more powerful as CEO however Shiv's way wealthier than him and at the end of the show their powers are much more balanced than before and they're sticked to each other as partners and as a family (finally, for Tom).

Or Shiv can still kill Tom 😂

100%!

It was truly immersive and mesmerizing. Without that score the show wouldn’t have been what it was.

Since Corleone

​@@bkc6873 at least he got the job lol

Me too. Devastated for him. He needed it more than the others. He tried to tell them he had nothing else.

The tragedy lies in that Kendall wouldn't have been a bad CEO. Just like Shiv thought that Kendall would bomb at the product launch, and he flourished. Shiv was just consumed by jealousy, because honestly shiv probably wouldn't have been horrible either, but Kendall had "it".

@@theresahonsinger5853 at least hopefully he'll try being a better father now, he does love em, and while yes is a shotty father and needs a lot of works for sure, is actually quite aware of it

That was the one line that kept popping up to me throughout the entire season after he said it. You could see it in their every action. None of them truly deserved the throne.

Exactly

"I'm the oldest boy!" 😂😂

That line really did tip the hand of how this was gonna turn out...... it was his last words to the three of them and with this show EVERY piece of dialogue means something.

Logan is unserious for raising his kids so poorly that his company went out of their hands

He’s not even the eldest boy

​@@MatheusGHenz Shiv even says he's not😂

​@@MatheusGHenz and he's saying that to Shiv who has always been left hanging for being a girl lmao the worst possible argument

Even if he was the eldest, what does it have to do with anything? they are not royalty

@Franz Roman They ALL acted like it. He even says, "I'm the ELDEST BOY," as if being born first would make em the new king

I hate to see Shiv getting put in her place as they say and being knocked off the glass ceiling. OUCH! I don't care what the writers said about Logan loving his kids...he absolutely did NOT! To try and convince us is truly delusional...like with any thought that we'd get a disneyesque ending where Greg the egg succeeds is delusional...fun but an illusion all the same. Now Greg is a foot stool for the puppet king. Booooo! LOL!

I don't know why, but I believe that Logan really wanted to leave the company to his children but they were simply never ready. His death left them totally exposed to failure.

Nor the love of siblings, there's no coming back from that room

It was a tragic ending, but it wasn't meant to be a Disney story. And don't forget all the sibs are very rich,. and will be richer still with the sale of the corporation. I still believe Kendall would have been the best to lead. He had business experience, and actually looked at spreadsheets and figures. Logan left what it seems he planned to make a codicil to his will and name Kendall, and find a place for Greg. So he did want a blood relative to succeed, and it's hard to come to grips with it all, good ending that it was. Shiv was never as smart as she thought, and the most like Logan. She was jealous of Ken, vindictive, and couldn't stand to see him win after she was betrayed so many times. She's old enough to have realized she was being played by Mattson. She failed at politics because she was so rich she was out of touch with the way real people live. She failed at everything she tried to do in life. Kendall failed, but he kept trying, and almost succeeded, so there is a difference. Roman may be the happiest. He never had any responsibility, but felt the weight of that. Now the weight is off, he can do something or nothing. What Shiv and Roman said to Kendall when she wouldn't vote for him was unforgivable. I wonder if she voted earlier, and it wasn't the last and deciding vote to give her the power, if it would have been the same outcome. Kendall is being criticized for what he said to the sibs too. But it has to be awful to be told what your life course would be at 7 and to have that thwarted when he thought he had it, just out of Shiv's spite. I hope she enjoys her fake marriage to a man she doesn't love, who listened to his boss say he wanted to f**k her and didn't even care. She has no love to give that child, even if it really is Tom's. Wow, it's a lot to take in.

Still billionaires

Yep she just couldn’t stomach it

She also looked upset or disgusted when Kendall bragged to the board about he and Roman making the deal with Mattsen, when it was Shiv who manipulated that whole situation to force the brothers to take Mattsen’s higher offer.

@@TheVisitors44nah thats just bs, shiv is the one who has been completely played the whole time. Shiv did what she did at the end out of spite and jealousy. She would rather see her self lose, than see her brothers succed

@@koshinaden263 Perhaps, Shiv was tired of being played, as she may felt she has been played her entire life. Shiv, in the four seasons, comes across as a very angry young woman coming out of a house full of men, whose lives seemed to be carved out for them. What did Shiv lose? Her brothers were going to cut her out, just as her father tricked into returning home with the promises of some super position that she did not fully understand. She brought with her a man who got to know the Roy family and did not necessarily like what he saw and heard. Compartmentalize. He was one step ahead.

@@annkey4091 You need to watch the show again, cause you clearly dont understand the show or the her character. And if thats too difficult for you i dont even know what to say. It is so clear to see that all of them LOST, even the damn showrunner said all of the kids lost. I cant see how you think shiv didnt lose, she litterally became what she feared the most , her mother. She hast lost the upper hand in the relationship with tom and now she has to stay in a loveless marriage.

Cool tech bro getting stressed out.

EBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAA meanwhile she's like 5 feet behind him

Mattson winning is one of the only dissatisfying things about the finale, but that's real life, some sleazeball with money is perpetually on top of everything.

Wake up, Zombies we have 30 minutes left.

we have to admit, the more we hate Mattson, the more credit Alexander Skaargard desrves... what an actor, hate every gesture of him!!

That's from classical theater, back to Ancient Greece. We don't see much of that type of fiction anymore.

This seems familiar yo me. Ouch! It did hurt me so much. But no human is exempt Ed of pain…

I’m with you, this episode was a roller coster and I went through every emotion. I think it’s a perfect end for what the show is, but damn it was gut wrenching to watch.

@@gbeach85it’s okay to be affected by media and art bruh

It wasn't that great imo, I expected better...

I was in actual shock for a bit

I couldnt sleep. Still havent slept

Well said. Succession felt like a modern day tragic Shakespeare play about a bunch of elitists drowning in their own self inflicted BS. And brought to the screen by some very talented people.

Amen!

@@briengakaplan-b1550 it’s based on a Shakespearean play. King Lear or something like that

Bullseye 🎯

"I'll make my heaven to dream upon the crown..."

Still, Tom does not own the company. That is why this is a tragedy.

@@I_Lemaire Tom never wanted to own the company. He just wanted to run it.

Tom admittedly only cared about his career and money, which he has severely upscaled now. On a personal level for Tom, it is an absolute win, even from a career perspective. He may be a puppet but so are many CEOs and nobody can say that they're not powerful. Plus Tom was the one who was loyal to Logan till the end so it's very fitting. He showed time and again that he was willing to axe his family for his career and the company. :)

@@kunalbilaney1188 yes to everything you said

Tom is a puppet with no brain

You are right. I was pulling for Kendall and a united front of all the kids together but it didn’t feel right that any of them win.

Logically and story wise kendall should have win. this era of “subverting expectations” is ruining good writing. same thing happened to GoT

Technically Shivs kid will succeed. Succession is still on

​@@InvaderG If you're comparing this finale to GOT's ending, you're delusional.

You're so right. It was so perfect. I was a huge Kendall fan, but him going crazy at the vote was proof he was never made for this job.

I agree. She is an awful person because she should have told her brother that she was not willing to vote for him and leave it at that. Instead, they bonded at their mother's house, and she even made Kendall drink her saliva!

Yup. I don't think it had anything to do with Tom tbh. I just think she didn't want to see her brother win.

😂😂 you good bro

I think Shiv was legitimately pissed at first, but then something clicked and she realized her two choices left were to be the CEO's sister or be the CEO's wife.

Never liked Shiv bec she's all talk no play. Like a brat she just wants to be taken seriously with no real guts to do it. Perfect ending to prove me wrong. She's the bloodline. She's saving HER family. That's the succession. She's in it for the long run.

I do think Roman is actually satisfied especially with that smile at the end. It is like a huge burden fell off his shoulder.

​@@abdelkarim1486 Absolutely I agree with you 100% Roman never wanted to be part of the family business. He got his Billions and more importantly he's free from all that Bull$hit.

@@abdelkarim1486 I think you are right about that.

Woah there's nothing about Tom being a furry

It would be excellent to see another 4 episodes to see where everybody ends up. This season was one of the very best on American Television in this Century.

Yes, I'm so glad the Greg ending didn't happen

I didn’t get why Roman said it, they are three fully-blood related siblings, right?

​@@RiienBlue He was talking about Ken's kids

@@RiienBlue Ken's daughter Sophie was adopted and Iverson is (according to Logan) not his biological son.

@@RiienBlue Iverson might be from a sperm doner, thus the father-from-a-file-cabinet remark.

You forgot The Wire

100%

@@morganwoolford2963 amen but he’s got it right too

💯💯💯💯

The Wire is still my all time favorite.

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😂😂😂😂😂😂

This is genius

Genius

Is this A.I.??

Yeah , my man deserved better

Greg and Tom deserve each other. Both will stab anybody in the back to get ahead.

Greg is now a slave boy

@@Coco-zu9ob The Disgusting Brothers

We always knew Tom was disgusting but Greg… he took a bad turn this season😂

​@@cardamom3804 Similar to the actor in real life

Very tough nigut

Yep 😶

I'm in shambles how am I suposed to carry on with my day

So damn tough

Succession, and then the Barry finale, I need a week-long break to recover

@Materva Ken changed for the worse, he basically became Logan. At heart he was still the same person who was willing to hurt and sacrifice his siblings to get what he wanted, which he shows by lashing out at them. Waystar isn’t good for him, its just another addiction he clings to, to fill the emptiness of his life- the fact that his wife hates him, he’s losing his children, and he has no one

@@faustsiftar7683 agree…as much as I rooted for him as a character, his physical abuse of Roman & disregard of his family just proved how he had taken up the worst parts of his father and still didn’t win. Shiv’s betrayal and Roman’s horrible comments about Ken’s kids revealed how they’re all still horrible (but nonetheless layered).

@@Materva_ No way. Tom loves to see suffering just as much as the rest of them. He’ll keep her around and toy with her for as long as she can stand it.

@@Materva_ You clearly didn't understand the show. You didn't watch the last scene with the siblings or something? Kendall literally denied having killing a person when everyone knew he had done it.

@@zoekoul And even without the power, and thanks to their billions, their bloodline will be horrible for hundreds, if not thousands of years.

I'm not sure Siobhan "freed" Kendall in any way.

Shiv is scum of the earth. She ll end up resenting her kid because of tom. She could not stand her brother but she believes tom to be beneath her and he came out on top. This will always stay with her and her hatred and misery will fester and drip through

@@SCharlesDennicon Well, there’s some kind of freedom in not achieving what you always believed you’re meant to do, right? Even if the freedom didn’t felt good at first, that tortured soul must have found some relief..

@@CarmenRosaMarisolZoila I kinda agree with you. And when the time comes, she’ll see herself very much like her father when it comes to parenting. Or she can divorce Tom in the next two months after the finale when the affair between him and Greg leaks everywhere! 😂

Freed... She fcked Kendall This show is a masterpiece up until the last few moments Ruined it Fckin shiv, it could easily have been a great ending with the siblings United and winning

Totally. We were here and we wutnessed greatness in real time

yah we were meant to be heary broken and im heart broken i dont understand the people that loved the finale??? it was bruuutal

No why can't we just have 1 happy ending to end it all!!

@@BOSS_1417 Because that wouldn’t be true to the show or good television. It also leaves the show open to continue or possibly have a spin-off.

I agree, I binge watched and I too, was finished within two weeks

Same here

felt like an episode of The Sopranos🔥

@@vvsparis yeah man so much like The Sopranos

@@malayjoshi1098 how was it anything like the sopranos?

@@raymondsims7042 in terms of ambiguity and the way Sopranos ended the episodes after Christopher's Death...there were so many wholesome moments between Tony's own family and mob family and everytime they used to end tragically with backstabs

@@vvsparis yes, how rare that a show cuts to black and rolls credits. Must be an allusion to another show.

There was really no reason to think one of the kids would win over the other and you knew for damn sure they all wouldn’t win. The only logical conclusion via process of elimination and their characters was that the kids would all lose.

I mean… they failed with GOT’s ending but Ik what you mean.

@morganwoolford2963 GOT was a phenomenal show, I'm not gonna dismiss the whole thing because a bad ending. Besides all my favorite characters died so it didn't matter.

​@@morganwoolford2963 GOT was mostly the writer's fault than HBO. Remember that HBO wanted to do more but Dumb and Dumber said no

@@morganwoolford2963 even with the ending, GOT is still one of the best shows ever made

@@morganwoolford2963 That was the show runners' fault not HBO

I love succession and it’s firmly in my top ten shows ever made. But you have to relax you’re disrespecting the wire by saying “succession is the goat” it’s not top ten but not even close to the wire which is the true goat in my opinion

Kendall couldn’t win because he didn’t show a significant growth. On the other hand, Rom did shine because we could actually see his human side. Kendall was Kendall from season one to the last one, but Rom, we all knew how silly and immature he was, but at the end he showed growth, his vision changed, his eyes were opened…

If that's the standard neither Tom or Greg, wich is maybe why Logan was selling, things felt changing for him and his brand would probably not go.

so terrific

True, but it can also be seen as Logan failing to prepare his kids for his life’s work. The reason they’re not serious people is because Logan did not take them seriously… maybe if he did, one of them could have credibly carry on the Royco name but instead it’s now Lukas’ name that moves forward.

@@phillylady Absolutely! Logan was a narcissist; he didn’t know how to love his children, let alone guide them. They are all the product of his manipulation and the lack of understanding or care about his children’s feelings.

@@phillylady Very true. Like Ken pointed out in season 1, Logan hated them for what he had given them and that's why he probably didn't raise them seriously. He never truly prepared them for taking over the company only tortured them with the dream of it.

@@wayothefro3249 Hence, making Logan the narcissistic man that he was.

I think the winner is Roman he never wanted to be part of the family business. At the end he got his billions and he can do his own thing.

I did. They were never going to win because they are flawed.

I wasn’t expecting Tom, but loyalty does win!

@@nickhendrikactor957 And yet the story hit all the beats for them to win, so most still held onto that notion or had that in the back of their mind at every moment.

I knew it was coming after that entire scene in moms kitchen crowning Kendall, they were so happy but just TOO happy, I was just waiting for the shoe to drop but it still caught me off guard as I didn’t expect it to come from Shiv to blow it all up.

@@joedorben3504 You have seen the show right? Every season the beats hit for them to win and they don't because they are not serious people. They are nepo baby's that didn't get the job because of their merit but because of family. They were never meant to win the game.

love this take

Yes definitely deliberate

Yes ❤

I like this, it felt like they lost but also won. Hope they all get a therapist and Tom/ Shiv manage to be good parents.

remember in that episode where tom and shiv through that party and had that huge fight at the end, Mattson told kendall "just let the wave take you”

“Best show ever” 🤔naw that tilted belongs to the wire without question. Succession is certainly a storytelling masterpiece across the board though. Definitely a top ten show ever made in my opinion

true, but i feel like him being so obsessed to the point he genuinely considers suicide if he doesnt become ceo made me think he shouldnt be one. he should however go to therapy. logan broke him and him promising him the company when he was 7 was the starting point

I think that's why it's such a great ending though? Without the richness of Kendall's character development, the moments where he managed to pull something off, his failures etc we wouldn't feel so devastated by watching him lose the only thing he's ever wanted in life. That gutting feeling is testament to the brilliance of Jesse and the writers' room's work.

@@tsukki3692 he absolutely shouldn’t be one - the last few acts he did - from putting his feet up on the table and acting cocky in the boardroom, to tearing roman’s stitches and saying he lied about the dead kid - showed he absolutely wasn’t ready and wasn’t a serious person. I think that’s why it hurt - the whole season, we are being shown he could potentially do it, he actually is a killer - but in the end, hubris led to his downfall

@@clouise7626 absolutely a perfect ending - like you said, it’s just a gutting one. someone on twitter said the ejection of him from waystar mirrors the ejection we feel from this character’s path/the show in general. it was always a tragedy, and one of the most brilliantly written ones of all time. it’s just sad, ya know? it still stings days later

I could agree with that, until Kendall said "this is all I know". That's told me all of this wasn't about what made sense, it was about giving Kendall something to hang onto.

Agreed🤝

Sopranos had a similar feeling at the end for me, another HBO masterpiece.

He’s probably still a goofy sidekick to Mattson. He’s calling the shots, not Tom.

Tom will kill Karl after that "Interloper" speech lol.

He even accepted Lucas sleeping with his wife in exchange for being CEO 🙈

By "deserved" you mean "was lucky enough to marry owner's wife and get promotions for free"

And Nicholas Brittell for creating such an masterful score as well!

“They deserve ALL the awards 🤓” - Everyone in the comments

First show that should get an OSCAR!

I'm not sold on what they did with Greg. He's always been the weak link of the show imo. I think they tried to sell him as the cockroach who survives the nuclear apocalypse, but he was too dumb for that, even for a human cockroach.

​@@SCharlesDennicon bruh, people keep forgetting Greg's father is a freakin shareholder in the company owned by Greg's uncle. WTF is hard for you to understand?

@@tealsquare And?

@@SCharlesDennicon go figure!

​@@SCharlesDennicon From the first season, it seemed to me that Greg would change (adjust to situations) not for the better.

Right. Keeping in theme, this episode was a gut punch. Tightly wrapped up ending. We know each path these siblings are on.

Even after the series ended, i'd like to remind you that Connor Roy was interested in politics from a very young age and he's the eldest son

Agreed in my list of top ten best shows it goes 1. The wire 2. Game of thrones 3. Mr robot 4. Dark 5. The boys 6. Breaking bad 7. Succession 8. Stranger things 9. Sopranos 10. Dexter

Yes!

Then he yelled “it’s succeedin’ time!”

LET'S MORB

then he succeeded everywhere

Yeah I’m happy for tom!!!

Yeah I was really intrigued by Collins presence in the last shot of the show. Almost a constant reminder of Logan looming out of focus behind Kendall. Absolutely haunting.

@@robertcoughlanproductions3157 and great for Ken, hopefully Colin will stop him from killing himself or going back on the drugs.

Todos estamos tristes por los niños

None of them were serious people. -Logan Roy

Roman finally looks at peace and Shiv took what she considered a lesser loss.

​@@magma4168 and Ken looked like he wanted to drown himself in that ocean

It's a greek tragedy. It has always been that way. Jesse and team will not give us rainbows all of a sudden. This is the ending that makes most sense

@@talipot Perhaps it is. But sometimes what makes most sense also sucks. All of this was just way too in-the-cards.

Was hoping for some change and actual character development but the siblings are back where they started. No point of rewatching

I don't think they go back to the same emotional state. They're all free now.

that is the point. it's the generational trauma that leaves them unable to change

Me too I felt like I was crushed into pieces

Hopefully he will grow from this pain and eventually come to terms of being free of his fathers toxic burden.

You were team Chappaquiddick. 😂😂

@@seenasoltani1808 nah. he will be back on the drugs.

Should never broken coz something a not given to Ken.. He did already have every thing eversince…. He should start to make his own file now….

I love succession and it’s without question in my top ten. But the “best show ever” spot belongs to THE WIRE!!!

@@raymondsims7042 Sopranos for me

@@forestsunset9617 I love the sopranos as well but I would put succession slightly above it. But the wire for me is number 1 by far

@@raymondsims7042good choice. Think just the this is the first true gold standard tv show I’ve see as someone who apprasates it. Imagine watching sopranos of wire then at the same stage in life would make it my best

@@TimesFM4532 what’s your top ten? Mine in order is 1. The wire 2. Game of thrones 3. Mr robot 4. Dark 5. The boys 6. Breaking bad 7. Succession 8. Stranger things 9. Sopranos 10. Mad men