Christian Bale Says Hollywood (and the World) Would Be Better If ‘White Dudes’ Weren’t in Charge of Everything The actor says there would be "so much better films and so much more interesting stories" if white dudes weren't running Hollywood. Zack Sharf Dec 19, 2017

Christian Bale has had enough of “white guys” running everything in Hollywood and beyond. The actor stopped by AOL Build with his “Hostiles” co-star Rosamund Pike and Wes Studi on December 18 and told the crowd that the reason he moved to the U.S. in the first place was because he wanted his kids to grow up in a “country of inclusion.” Unfortunately, that ideal hasn’t been too much of a reality.

“Our culture will be so much richer the day that we stop saying, ‘Hey, it’s all white dudes who are running things,'” Christian Bale said. “Whether that be Hollywood, whether that be Washington, you know. We’re going to get, in Hollywood, so much better films and so much more interesting stories being told and America will become the America that the rest of the world sees it as, that makes it unique…that we recognize makes this such a beautiful, brilliant country.”

I don't think you can actually make the rate of fire faster for guns.

I didn't know he was like batman in real life.

based new mutants

That's the team Sunspot and Magick is from right?

They also fought magic bears.

@@PillarofGarbage X-Men related comics in general were way ahead of their time. But sometimes they were not. Like the fact that karma's name isn't actually a real Vietnamese name😂

New Mutants is peak. The comic had some things that did not age well at all (Magma's introduction is cringeworthy) but it's a very diverse team even for today's standards. The movies can learn from it. Breaks my heart to see Roberto whitewashed (twice!) in live action.

Hayes Code was absolutely nuts, and I’d make a video on that specifically if there weren’t already Ten Billion of them

Trying to kill the earth then rule it what dark lords do=don't help by saying morality when it's slavery and communism when it's just russian/asian fascism.the criminal insane are sopisism encarnet and use they're own definitions. Saints row and grand theft auto isn't what 99% of earth uses for freedom. It's called evil everywhere else.

@@PillarofGarbage to be fair, i would still watch it.

@@PillarofGarbage It still could be good. Like imagining a story and humorously uing the code, th original code to, em cant be to abide by th "moral code"

@@PillarofGarbageid watch

I mean... just put ratings on the comics like movies or games. Not the writers fault if like GTA and any horror movie the parent is either an idiot or doesnt care that the kid is looking at it.

Wdym "not to say it didn't do much for the minorities" the CCA has done nothing for minorities except repress the representation they were allowed to have in comics. The amount of queer representation people wanted to put in comics but couldn't because of the CCA puts the amount of queerbaiting in supernatural to shame.

Agreed, Am still upset at the CCA for Batman & Catwoman relationship. Batman wasn't allow to have a successful relationship with Catwoman .Because he's the " hero" and she the "villain". You want to see how much of impact CCA had on American comics. Read a European comic, a manga , and then read a comic from DC, Dark horse or Marvel comic. You quickly learn how behind the curve we are with our story telling in American comics.

Actually, the CCA forced comic book writers to be more creative, especially with trickier subject matter. The silver and bronze age of comics had some of the best stories of all comics. The modern age of comics (after the CCA was disbanded)is like modern art. The early pioneers were true visionaries who challenged the status quo but came from a traditional art background but soon turned into garbage like Piss Jesus or an unmade bed. Yes, those are real modern "art" pieces. The current crap you see today is the Piss Jesus of the comic book world.

@ Judofan I agree , the CCA did force creativity. But, only because they took so much away. To point they limited story capability of American comics. One of main reasons CCA was formed was horror comics. So, it really was a form of censorship. But, that doesn't make current comics instantly good. You still need good writers . And both CCA and current American comics craters are very similar. They both want it their way. And don't want to listen to the opinions of others.

Came to the comments to say exactly this!

If anything, it is not the absence of an agenda, it's a REVERSE agenda. And overcorrection, if you will. It is hard to imagine someone watching modern movies and TV and not noticing that the implementation of diversity almost always feels inauthentic and token. I don't think it's that difficult to grasp. There are a few phenomenal exceptions. But pretending these films fail because America or The West in general, is just so "misogynist/racist/etc" is laughable at this point. You can't shame people into seeing things they don't like. It's time to stop pretending there's no legitimate way to criticize Hollywood's approach to diversity. The racial dynamics honestly felt healthier and more organic in the 80s and 90s. Obviously there was less representation, but it also didn't feel token or performative. That's a huge indictment on the current era, IMHO. But back then, we were still on the MLK beat, where we didn't ascribe ones moral standing based on where they resided on the "oppression" hierarchy.

Absence. As in not present. Not abscess, a collection of pus due to an infection. Although oddly abscess still works in a weird way.

Exactly, although the comic book John at first was just typical black steryotype and didn't had much of personality until stories like Cosmic Odissey and Mosaic developed him (even john ridley adressed this in his The Other History of the DC Universe). The DCAU version on other hand gave John a much better portrayal as this badass marine soldier.

Imo it's the opposite. In the 70s and 80s John had an interesting personality that worked as a foil for Hal. But after the JL cartoon his personality is "serious soldier".

@@frankorious534 Eh, he was a pretty annoying character when he was first introduced. He didn't become likable until after Cosmic Odyssey where his stupidity caused a planet to be destroyed.

@@alexandrefrauches132 Wan't his original portrayal an artist? How is that a black stereotype?

@@wakkaseta8351 Being a artist is not the same as having a personality. Thats the point I'm trying to make. When he was create John didnt much of personality except being a green lantern who is black (even his design was that steryotype similar to Luke Cage in the 70's) stories like Cosmic Odissey and Mosaic that John grow as hero, with the DCAU giving him his most defintive portrayal as this stern badass soldier

Yeah, this whole thing’s a mess of complexities - but even if the CCA may have helped superheroes become popular (because they of course did predate the CCA by many years) it’s sort of the genre’s ‘original sin’, and it needs to be considered.

That was the point. Marvel and DC were complicit in the code's creation and enforcement to get rid of their competitors!

@@EmperorSteele National Publications and Timely/Atlus were almost taken out by the code, how would they be complicent?

@@TupocalypseShakur I'm just regurgitating something I read like 10-15 years ago. Something about how the CCA was run, in part, by the comic publishers themselves. Think of it like Black Widow's reasoning for signing onto the Sokovia Accords: "At least this way, we still have a hand on the wheel". Either the comics industry policed itself, or laws were going to be made against them.

I mean there were so many things in Claremont's xmen that were very clearly gay that he couldn't say explicitly because of the CCA. Mystique and Destiny of course, whose relationship has been canonized. Kitty Pryde recently was confirmed to be bisexual, and despite her longtime "love interest" (technically it was all in subtext but they were clearly in love) Rachel Summers now being in love with someone else, it is also a woman, namely Betsy Braddock, and they had a full page panel of just them kissing and it's so cute I just want to AJDHYSJSB

Sorry for the confusion! Just did my best to make an eye-grabbing thumbnail that’d attract both viewers who know me and people who might not :)

THIS. I damn near deleted the whole video from my suggestions until I saw who made it😂

Sounds fascinating! Weird timing coincidence indeed!

“Woke” didn’t start out that way; it started out as a positive descriptor (though admittedly something of a self-congratulatory one) for people who actively paid attention to the problems in the world and tried to help fix them. Then it go co-opted and turned into a right-wing buzzword yayyyyy…

Today the word "woke" basically acquired the meaning of "anything that the conservative and reactionary right-wing morons don't like". When you see it thrown around in any discussion, you know you're in for a """based""" take hahaha.

@@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ woke originated in black american communities as a way to signal you were aware of the systemic injustice that was happening around you. nothing self congratulatory about it.

perhaps without CCA the american comics industry would be more likely to manga industry or band desinée industry, much more diversified and mature

Actual woke is indeed awful. For example New Warriors. Woke is more of an action. Putting message over story then using the Kafka fallacy to deflect from criticism. Kafka fallacy is when you say disagreement is validation to your statement. A classic conservative Kafka is to say “women are all over emotional” so if you get mad at that at all they say you’re just proving them right. A woke Kafka is now how people will say white men are angry and rage filled, so if a white man responds negative to that statement at all it’s “see you proved me right!” It’s pretty simple people don’t want a story that calls them bad. The diversity itself isn’t bad at all, people love plenty of diverse characters, its about the writing and the story being told

She also had terrible childhood, with abusive father, which explain how she became the tough badass hero she is. This themes of feminism were always present in Carol stories.

Shhh it doesn't fit the narrative.

@@AllPwrflSteve The caveat "for the time" is important. She was created as a romantic interest for the lead character, and she was depicted as a damsel in distress. Where the video suggests this is all she was, it loses important aspects of the character. She was created as something of a proto-feminist character. But it was still the 60s...

If I recall correctly, Carol Danvers' Miss Marvel was the first Marvel super heroine (or the first super heroine on general) that was openly referred to as a feminist. That background is fun to point out when people say "she was better before they turned her into a feminist".

@@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley In Ms. Marvel, she was very much a feminist. And she was the first female superhero in Marvel to have her own comic book. So when she became the first female character to get an MCU film, it made historic sense. Marvel repeating itself

And then there is the writer of Wonder Woman doing his best to test that theory hard mode.

@@shikatsu To be fair, he was doing that before the Comics Code existed and before Wertham's book was published. And he had, uh, a lot of stuff going on all on his own...

Reggie Mantle in Riverdale

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@@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS Eeh... close enough.👍

Agents of atlas, Jimmy Woo

I mean you have manga and anime...with a VAST PLETHORA of Asian male characters...RIGHT THERE😂. And its mainstream too, ESPECIALLY today so you cant even say its being looked over or disregarded

She-Hulk was actually garbage, though. It's so smug about itself and is EXACTLY what the people don't want.

@@BrendanJSmith it’s okay if you don’t like it im just saying it’s weird how people form their opinion on something they haven’t even seen

Shuri is not your average Disney princess...

@@BrendanJSmith I liked shehulk.

Or they give it a chance and just genuinely didnt liked it. Then being called all kinds of -ist and -phobes, because you people just cant accept if your diverse character didnt liked by everyone just because its a diverse character. You believe it or not there are people who gives zero fucks about the character's skin color or sexuality, and judge them on their actual merit.

Chris ‘soup-for-brains’ Gore

This guy realizes that if the Marvel universe is "made male again", he and his pals won't have any fictional women in the MCU to masturbate over, right?

Agreed, plus it what makes comics so special. They are fictional story with fantasy/sci-fy concepts but at same time a form of art, a expression of the writer and his view about the world and specific topics. Diversity is no exception. On the contrary: It's what helps the portrayal of the world and it's society feels more real and relatable to many readers and the world we live, allowing the connection with characters drama to become stronger.

I just saw the tweet and wow, I can't believe he just wrote that. For a while, I thought it was a joke made by a Gore hater, but nope, it's an actual tweet by the guy. Like, why? Is Chris Gore living under a rock or something? This isn't going to paint him in a good light.

@@PillarofGarbage More like Chris Bore. So disappointed.

Thanks so much!

​@@PillarofGarbage You're very welcome!

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I totally agree. I do think agendas are ruining things But it gets really tiresome listing to different content say the same things over and over.

beyond a couple of other loose ideas for topics I wanna cover at some point, I don’t really have any firm plans for this series, or how long it’s gonna last - so if it keeps going I’m sure I’d take a look at this angle sooner or later!

This. I hate how all these companies make a huge deal about adding one diverse character when they could've had a much more diverse cast to begin with but they just add one strong female or one LGBTQ person and act like they're really pushing boundaries while changing basically nothing and making sure all the scenes that actually show this diversity can be quickly snipped out of the movie when they send it over to China.

thank you very much for introducing me to the term ‘alphabet mafia’ lmao

@@PillarofGarbage glad I could provide you that information :p I love that term so much I gave out stickers with it on

Try Alters from 2018, I quite liked Chalice's journey and the superhero story is very interesting.

Most definitely. It benefits no one as instead of just trying to approach a topic usually nowadays we get shit shoved down our throats with ideas like Snowflake and Safespace We need superheroes that are heroes who just also happen to be trans or whatever without it being abnormal or pointed out

yeah section 28 was a blight Thatcher was an evil evil lady

That generally doesn't happen. The old characters are essentially forever. What does happen, a lot, is for instance Iron Man's sales dropping, and Marvel going, "hey, let's kill him off, and bring him back with a lot of fanfare in a year or so". And while he's dead Riri Williams gets to take over the Iron Man book.

@@Carabas72 That's kinda what I mean.

@@OpticalSorcerer Yeah, but the main goal here is not promoting diversity but preserving Tony Stark's long term health and sales numbers.

@@Carabas72 I mainly mean the "replacement" era. It happens a lot for characters; they get relatives, clones or sucessors who feel like their main purpose is replacement. It's weird.

@@OpticalSorcerer I honestly can't think of a single character that has been replaced other than a very long series of failed Captain Marvels that includes two females ones before Carol Danvers.

I don’t blame him because not only does this repeat a stereotype but there was no need for an Asian Iron Fist to begin with. Danny Rand was a cool character and people liked him in the comics why would Marvel want to change that? This is why I don’t like race changing or gender swapping already established characters, nobody likes sloppy seconds or table scraps.

I mean Iron Fist being an Asian defeats the purpose in the first place. K'un L'un have no love for outsiders and Danny being White makes it more tougher cos he's just a lost gaijin/gweilo to the people of K'un L'un. And in order to earn his place, he must adapt or die Those words are Japanese (gaijin) and Cantonese (gweilo) degradatory terms which basically translates "Foreign Devil"

@@1eyeddevil929 exactly!

@@darkroninmarvelthen again I've seen white people in my country being called "Ang Moh Kui" growing up It's a Hokkien Slur meaning, Red Haired devil. Targetted towards the Dutch at first then to all Caucasians in general. Yeah most of Asia have a dash of xenophobia in them but it's now just the older generation mostly afaik

don't we have an Asian superhero, shang chi?

Your grandparents were token minorities living in a nearly all white country. They were completely irrelevant to the culture and economy of the country. Did they not tell you that part?

Because the people accusing them of that have a political agenda.

@@Peasham look at the new Peter Pan trailer and tell me that there isn’t a political agenda in it

@@garenthal9638 No more than the original story.

No immediate plans to cover rebels but that may well change in the future!

Reel has one of the best jedyi even, kanaan, and maul is interesting.

"Thats why you dont see ANYONE complaining about the representation back then." Yes they did, absolutely they did. The difference was that the Internet wasn't as big back then and the Alt-Right didn't exist.

The problem is not with diverse comcis, the problem is the narrative that you need to love those diverse comics or else. That you are labelled as some kind of -ist or -phobe, because they want to shame you into subbmission. Just obey! Dont ask questions, just buy and consume next product! Thats "the woke agenda", thats the problem!

Mainstream comics dug themselves into a hole by making non-diverse characters for so long that they feel the need to race swap or make a non-White character take a White character's mantle in order to be relevant or popular. But if comics were more diverse at least 40 or 50 years ago we wouldn't be having this whole "woke agenda" stuff now

@@tamaspapp225 what narrative are you talking about???

@@snatched2348 The film industry's narrative, like that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Disney Star Wars sequels and the fans are just toxic manbabies. And strangely, recently every criticism for every movie is some sexist, racist attack from hateful bigoted people. Obviously claimed by the lazy creators who dont wants to take the responsibility for creating the shitty movies. Its so much easier blaming your failure on the toxic biased fans than admitting that you didnt made a quality product. Or apparently you are now a homophobic if you didnt seen the gay comedy Bros or you dont support black women if you dont go to watch the Woman King. Like how you were an incel and afraid of strong women if you dont liked Captain Marvel. And the list goes on and on with the weak excuses from the incompetent creators who wants to hold the illusion that they're actually good at their job. Or we have Pillar who just cant accept if people just genuinly dont like a "diverse" character and they just needs to have an ulterior reason for it. For him, it cant possibly be that the "diverse" character is poorly written or just simply unlikable. No, Pillar claims that everyone who dont likes Reva is a sexist, racist bigot or unconsciously brainwashed by the sexist, racist bigot propaganda. A little hypocritical to Pillar to say this, while he mocking everyone else who believes in that the "woke agenda" exist.

@@tamaspapp225 okay but that's not the point of this video, the video is explaining how we want real diversity in the comics not to use diversity to "push a narrative" most people just want diverse characters to have good representation in the media that doesn't mean it's pushing a "woke agenda"

Thanks - and more like this is coming sooner or later, I promise!

I think the term should just be retired. Nobody really agrees what it means, and it's not useful at all. If a character needs some reworking, there are better ways to talk about that than calling them a Mary Sue.

CCA very evil indeed

Thanks!

Thank you for watching it 😎

Thank you!

The hilarious thing is that folks somehow hate her more than Ezra Miller.

T'Challa is basically black Batman without the child trauma. His thing tends to be that he can beat anything and everything with the superpower of preptime.

Definitely a point worth making!

ngl I’d be fairly impressed to see criticism that doesn’t just call me a woke shill, etc, that’s how most of it tends to look

I mean.. I can make the argument, but you arent gonna like and/or agree with it, because its probabaly fundamentally opposed to your world-view. Most of these arguments are based on preferences and feelings, so there isnt really an objective right and/or wrong point to it. Here´s an example of such an argument: Movies should stick to the source material(the comics in this case) and thus not be concerned with the social unbalances that recreates, because its more important to visually and accurately recreate the source material, than it is to fit the movies to current day political and social standards((IE social representation has less value in media than source-material accuracy)). Example: The Harry Potter movies (pretty much an all white hetero cast adopted straight from the books). I dont think POG is a shill at all and I enjoy all his content. At the same time, I refuse to believe that an entire subset of the comic-book movie fandom is just straigh up racist and doesnt have a single valid point. Some of them? Sure. All of them? No. "WOMAN BAD" obviously doesnt fly, but points like "I didnt like Layla in Moon Knight, because she stole valuable time from the protagonist in the final episode" or "I didnt like She-Hulk, because of the direction it took Bruce Banner" is a lot more nuanced and can absolutely be valid.

@@nielsfrederiksen6636 sure, but that’s not what they’re saying tho. There’s nothing wrong with genuine criticism. However if you starting saying things like “woke” “pandering” or “SJW” etc all of that is accusations. Plus the “follow the source” is valid, but also lacks nuance. Not every aspect of comics can be adapted to TV & especially Movies. We as fans often ignore the behind reasons for changes. On top of that we frankly pick & choose when it comes to source material mattering. The MCU hasn’t been “faithful” to the material since Ironman. Tbh most of the time these changes are for the better, & often improve on the character/ plots. Of course not all the time. I’ve grown a better appreciation for these characters because of these movies/ shows.

@@PillarofGarbage Done - see my analysis/thoughts above. Appreciate the opportunity to actually share ideas/thoughts in such a civilised way - and thank you again for such an interesting interpretation of the current situation.

​@@mizushogun Those are just buzzwords. Have you ever stopped to think about what message they convey? If overt pandering IS why a person doesnt enjoy a certain product, its fair to state that. Lets use good ol´ She-Hulk as an example. The show was so fundamentally different from the 2008 Incredible Hulk Movie, that I find it hard to believe it was targeted towards the same segment of viewers. Where the 2008 movie "pandered" towards the viewers who enjoy mindless action, the show pandered towards an audience who wants lighthearted comedy with a slice of life. If thats not your thing(Hint: Its not for me) I see why you would be annoyed that the show "pandered" to a different audience, given that the Hulk franchise started off in 1 specific genre and then turned into another. Granted, I know She-Hulk isnt "just" a spin-off of the Hulk and has more in common with Deadpool, but I dont think the casual viewer knew that going in. Would I be correct to assume you havent read much of Marvel Comics and arent invested in the comic-book universe? I see that argument(that you cant adapt the comics correctly anyway) all the time from MCU fans, who never touched a comic and frankly, I think youre just straigh up wrong. No one is asking for a panel-by-panel//Word-for-word adaptation. Not even the Harry Potter movies did that. What they COULD do is stay true to the core of the characters traits and main arcs from the comics. Thor is so fundamentally different from his comic-book counterpart that they are the same character in name only. With Moon Knight, they invented an entirely new main character (Steven Grant) to sell the show. Yes, Steven Grants name is from the comics, but the character has absolutely nothing in common with the comic-counterpart. His name is a reference only. I´m glad you enjoyed the MCU and its characters. Personally, I enjoyed the comics way more. There´s a wackyness and sometiems seriousness to the comics the movies will never touch or acknowledge. I dont think the MCU version of these characters have made them better. They have changed them to fit a very disnified and lighthearted tone, that doesnt serve all the characters equally.

this series could be days long haha

What people often don't say, is that the panel of Dick and Bruce is actually nothing more than a deception. On that panel, yes, it looks like it's a single bed.... Except if you look at the whole page, you actually see it's two separate beds, and it's only due to perspective that it seemed to be a single bed. It's even more ironic as you did have a comic showcasing an adult and a young kid sleeping in the same bed: Oliver and Roy (Green Arrow & Speedy). Except even then it remains dishonest. It was created by people for whom sharing a bed with their children was normal, because of economics. The economic situation of pre-40s didn't allow poorer families to have one bed(room) per person/couple; heck throughout history it tended to be a luxury for richer families. By the mid-fifties, this had changed, so you could manipulate people's ignorance, of richer backgrounds, and/or suffering from short-term memories, that there's something nefarious behind two people of the same sex sharing a bed. Oh yes, because another thing often not pointed out was that being homosexual was worse than being a pedophile when that book came out. Yikes. People also tend to forget the whole "no female companions" was partially untrue. Batman didn't have a superheroic female companion, but he already had love interests, on and off. Actually, Robin did have a one-issue superheroic female companion, who was arguably more competent than Bat-girl ever was for most of her Silver Age career, Roberta the Girl Wonder. (was most probably the proto-type used to create Bat-gir seeing their similarities as well) However, even during the golden age, being a woman in comics could be a challenge as despite her skills, and her never ruining any cases. Robin tricked her and shamed her to discourage her to continue her superheroic career solely to protect his own secret identity. And no, it wasn't written like doing that was a bad thing. The introduction of Batwoman and Bat-girl hardly even changed that within the comics themselves. Yes, DC tried to sell a "family unit" image with the "original Batfamily" on covers, with arguable pseudo-incest as it made Bat-girl and Robin love interests and siblings at the same time, but the dynamic was still on and off and had nothing "familial" within the stories themselves. All in all, this book was just an ill-intended and dishonest "critic", and it's tragic to see modern "critics" use similar tactics to try to kick down modern comics. Some things never change.

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Glad that confusion is cleared up :D

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@@PillarofGarbage Weird definition of immeadiately. Most modern comics can't even last 50 issues.

@@AllPwrflSteve That's because the distribution was a very different game back then. Actual quality of comics has gone up massively.

I think people have more of an issue with the writing and characterization of modern stories and the characters of said stories than diversity and inclusion itself, I believe that is the argument being made.

the difference between then and now is that then it was done with this sense of knowledge for the story and character(s), there was a natural flow to the idea being set out, a purpose, whereas now, diversity is a tool being manipulated and misused to the point of creating more division than enforcing unity.

@@upjohn1715 Except that characterization while not always great is far from what was before in comics from 60's (the ones these people praise over the modern ones), when characters were just real steryotypes. It was only in thr late 70's to 90's this character start to slowly grow when comes personality. Nowadays, new characters never gets this chance because these people are already at writer throats, demanging they bring the original characters to front and either kill or make the diverse character more cleary unlikable to prove their criticism right. Every time a writer tries to make diverse character, even when it's well written they are immediatly criticize for being "too perfect a" (usually the girls) having no flaws (bc this fans ignore the moments character show flaws) or and making the main heroes inferior, which just sounds like "Lex Luthor speech", a lame excuse to keep the original character status as the superior ones instead of risking being replace by others.

​@@comics4life... If you think diversity nowadays is being manipulated and misused you should check the silver age/early bronze age ones, when diverse character were variations of previous white ones and many didn't have personalty or could barely hold their own book unlike the white male onesIt was only in the late 70's/80's these character start to grow and get more spotlight. . Even character who started as steryotypes got the chance to develop. Nowadays there many diverse character, all with their own books and stories instead of just being supporting steryotypes with no personality. Not all are perfect, but there goods ones and even those who aren't great still have potential to grow. As for the quality of the stories, there's no much difference. There good and bad stories now as there were in the past. Not every comic started great and stay great until now. It had it's ups and downs.

@Alexandre Frauches I disagree that new characters aren’t given a chance or that even if the these characters are well written they would be rejected as too perfect (aside from a small minority) the core of the issue is “Was that character written well or was that a badly written character or a mishandled character” This is the argument that keeps getting drowned out by both sides of this discussion.