The Svelte Jenks Navy Carbine of the Mexican-American War

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The Jenks carbine was a remarkably svelte and elegant breechloading system patented by South Carolinian William Jenks in 1838. It was tested by the US Navy in 1841, and found to be quite successful. The Navy would proceed to adopt it, and order 1,000 rifles and 5,250 carbines from N.P. Ames in the early and mid 1840s. The last 1,000 carbines were a separate contract which included the use of the Maynard tape primer system, and this contract was purchased from Ames by the Remington company, which manufactured those carbines. The Army also tested the Jenks system, but found it completely unsuccessful - perhaps due to a misunderstanding of the appropriate powder charge and projectile.
Mechanically, the Jenks uses a bolt which slides forward and rear connected to a larger action lever on the top of the receiver. Opening the lever retracts the bolt, opening a round port through which a ball and powder charge may be dropped into the breech. Shortly before the Civil War, most of the guns in Navy inventory were modified to extend this round loading port into an elongated oval, to allow the use of paper or linen cartridges instead of loose powder.
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@Eastwood007x
@Eastwood007x 6 жыл бұрын
I’m all about the Zoinks army carbine, scoob. That Jinkies carbine doesn’t look too bad.
@bryanrhoads8058
@bryanrhoads8058 6 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna talk like that for a week and see if anybody notices
@Eastwood007x
@Eastwood007x 6 жыл бұрын
Kim jung Un Like, make sandwiches, Kim. Not war!
@wonderoushistoryofclassicf9193
@wonderoushistoryofclassicf9193 6 жыл бұрын
Everyone. Be sure to check out his website and keep paying the patreon. Do not let Google control what you watch.
@KingdomOfDimensions
@KingdomOfDimensions 6 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ, 14 thousand rounds through a single shot black powder breach loader? If firing that gun was your full-time job, and you shot twice a minute, this would take you over 2 weeks of shooting. Edit: I do realize with this breach system you could potentially fire more than twice a minute. I was just estimating low because a slower, methodical pace made sense for most of the endurance test.
@KingdomOfDimensions
@KingdomOfDimensions 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah I don't know what the hearing protection of that era was like, but I don't think I'd want to use it for 14 thousand gunshots.
@olddirtbiker5088
@olddirtbiker5088 6 жыл бұрын
KingdomOfDimensions--You would also need to factor in occaisional cleanings being a black powder rifle.
@ferwiner2
@ferwiner2 5 жыл бұрын
@@KingdomOfDimensions I don't think hearing protection was even considered in that era. The hearing of a soldier got bad enough after his training, that there wasn't really any more need to protect it in gun testing ;)
@daviddavidson2357
@daviddavidson2357 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah somehow I think the percussion nipple breaking wasn't due to the gun failing.
@Dell-ol6hb
@Dell-ol6hb 2 ай бұрын
Fr though what poor bastard had to do that? That likely took months to fire that many rounds, realistically they’re not shooting it 24/7 so at most you’re getting 8-12 hours a day of shooting, at barely faster than 2 rounds per minute, and since it’s a black powder rifle you’d have to stop to clean it every once and a while. 😂
@RobertoDonatti
@RobertoDonatti 6 жыл бұрын
This is why I value your channel so much. I knew this gun existed, had seen a fuzzy B&W picture in a book and got a glimpse at a museum. But being able to inspect it through your video is almost like handling it myself. Thank you.
@tugboatyan
@tugboatyan 6 жыл бұрын
"Tomorrow, we will check back in on one of the later Merrill-pattern Civil War alterations on this system" - And so begins the Month of Jenks, the long awaited younger-brother to the fabled Month of Bergmann!
@1012koko
@1012koko 6 жыл бұрын
I love the pre 1900's weapons.
@baron8107
@baron8107 6 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a reproduction of these. So slick, you'd never think these were made by hand.
@mrnobody1958
@mrnobody1958 5 жыл бұрын
This thing is amazing. How much would you pay yourself?
@arieheath7773
@arieheath7773 5 жыл бұрын
For a nice reproduction by Pedersoli, I’d pay maybe a grand for it.
@zacharyrollick6169
@zacharyrollick6169 4 жыл бұрын
@@arieheath7773 Definitely at least that.
@ILikeToLaughAtYou
@ILikeToLaughAtYou 3 жыл бұрын
@@arieheath7773 but I wouldn’t mind paying $200, neither haha
@davedodds5200
@davedodds5200 4 жыл бұрын
I owned a Jenks carbine and virtually identical to the one shown; they were beautifully made, a joy to handle; I never shot mine but now wish that I still had it for that purpose.
@joshuaschoonyan3263
@joshuaschoonyan3263 5 жыл бұрын
The only thing smoother and cleaner than this firearm is the presentation/editing. Ian, ya done well.
@gunsbeersmemes
@gunsbeersmemes 6 жыл бұрын
Gun Jesus will never let KZfaq shut down Forgotten Weapons. It's educational content does not promote war or violence, but shows the destructive nature of weapons used in warfare, so that we will all never forget the horrors of generations past, to better avoid war and its costly devastation, in the future.
@pariahdog5214
@pariahdog5214 6 жыл бұрын
Reese Holder sadly, i dont think that KZfaq cares about that. Theyr thought process is very simple: Guns=bad. Full stop. There are no exceptions. Yea, thats kinda stupid, but KZfaq does not seem to care about that either.
@cvincent2340
@cvincent2340 6 жыл бұрын
unfortunately he works for auction houses and most of the rare guns he shows are up for auction, which would be considered linked to a sales web-sight /and don't forget the belt fed ones ( I just noticed the policy has changed a little since Sunday so belt fed might be safe)
@mrnobody1958
@mrnobody1958 5 жыл бұрын
@@vsGoliath96 and the emphasis on safety when going live, more importantly it's purely educationam, however unless he says dis gun bahd orange man bad, despite his views and very civil no gimmicks focus on firearms in a very serious no nonsense format that would never pull any stupid stunts for views my not be taken as seriously as he respects the craft culture and effort that went into these engines.
@angryyogbuscus1578
@angryyogbuscus1578 5 жыл бұрын
What? No. It's a series that centers itself around historical and mechanical novelties. It's good, but it hasn't any kind of humanitarian asprirations.
@johannderjager4146
@johannderjager4146 4 жыл бұрын
Brain-dead liberals don't know that.
@healyburnham393
@healyburnham393 11 ай бұрын
Ian, wonderful presentation. To anyone who has not fired a Walker with 60 grains fffg after dark, give it a try! VERY impressive!
@bellakaldera3305
@bellakaldera3305 6 жыл бұрын
I read somewhere that the Jenks was the first military accepted rifle to be made with a cast steel barrel, a major innovation in gun making. Another fine gun made in Massachusetts! The inventor may have been a Southerner, but he went to the Ames Company in Mass for his gun to be manufactured.
@MrDmitriRavenoff
@MrDmitriRavenoff 6 жыл бұрын
Sleek, stylish, innovative and functional. I love it! I'm always impressed by the information you manage to dig up Ian. Keep it up. I'll follow you wherever you go if KZfaq shuts you down.
@hillbillynick2000
@hillbillynick2000 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Excellent timing for me as I'm building a mule ear carbine for myself. Nice example to follow!
@geshbeddin
@geshbeddin 6 жыл бұрын
thank you very much for making it possible for me to see one of these rifles again it has been some 50 yrs since I last saw one at a black powder rifle range event it caught my attention because of how fast it reloaded. Again thank you for doing this video.
@stevejenkins9984
@stevejenkins9984 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a Jenkins currently working on my machining degree. Then I'll be doing reproduction of a lot of antique and odd guns. Love this one man musta been a genius ;)
@ST-zm3lm
@ST-zm3lm 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ian, I’ve been curious about these ever since I found a reference to them in an old Smithsonian reference book
@ST-zm3lm
@ST-zm3lm 6 жыл бұрын
tseawell90 I’m not trying to give that impression, I’d found one in an old bookstore and was reading through it. Hadn’t ever heard of the Jenks before then.
@monkeyship74401
@monkeyship74401 6 жыл бұрын
Cool. There was something similar in the little museum in Cherokee Iowa. It was a custom hunting rifle with a side hammer. The hammer apparently rocked in a similar manner to this, but the rifle was a muzzle loader.
@royalmagnell5157
@royalmagnell5157 3 жыл бұрын
Gosh, this is a clean and pretty little carbine. I'd love to have one.
@fmbfla
@fmbfla 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome information and history of our nation and the people that have made it what we are today. And I would have never known about, I can't afford to help you monetarily, But i do appreciate what you and your team do to help keep history alive.
@donolbers9446
@donolbers9446 3 жыл бұрын
Ian, your videos are really good presentations, I have to be careful or else I will find myself binge watching for a couple of hours.
@alexfogg236
@alexfogg236 6 жыл бұрын
Actor Hank Wolden used a Jenks carbine in the movie The Searchers.
@Lockbar
@Lockbar 6 жыл бұрын
"Thank you, Lord, for what we are about to receive"
@alexfogg236
@alexfogg236 6 жыл бұрын
Lockbar , excellent movie quote.
@nate_thealbatross
@nate_thealbatross 5 жыл бұрын
That looks wonderfully compact.
@sambaggins2798
@sambaggins2798 6 жыл бұрын
When they used the linen cartridge I believe the linen when punched up by the cylinder formed a bit of a seal to mitigate gas venting.
@daveweller9579
@daveweller9579 5 жыл бұрын
What a elegant beautiful gun
@aaronbuckmaster7063
@aaronbuckmaster7063 4 жыл бұрын
That carbine is in exceptionally good condition.
@Taistelukalkkuna
@Taistelukalkkuna 6 жыл бұрын
Sweet, slick looking gun. =)
@elidennison9902
@elidennison9902 6 жыл бұрын
thank you for everything you have done... i just don't understand how this is happening...
@jacobriddle7230
@jacobriddle7230 6 жыл бұрын
With your statement on rifling you often had a patch for a round bullet and a skirt that expands on the ones that are mini ball shaped when muzzle loaded
@zacharyrollick6169
@zacharyrollick6169 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice.
@theknifeman7097
@theknifeman7097 3 жыл бұрын
I love the style of this rifle.
@zxggwrt
@zxggwrt 6 жыл бұрын
That is sleek! I like it.
@CanadianFisherman1
@CanadianFisherman1 6 жыл бұрын
hello, ive been a long time subscriber and i emailed you a long time ago about the m2 hyde as well as the Lewis automatic rifle. i love your channel as well as website and would love to see a lot of progression through the history of weaponry.
@randywatson8347
@randywatson8347 6 жыл бұрын
Such a beauty, considering it's age!
@winstonsmith6708
@winstonsmith6708 6 жыл бұрын
Very slick
@alexfogg381
@alexfogg381 Жыл бұрын
Actor hank wolden used one of these in the 1956 movie The searchers, during the shoot out at the river scene.
@iLLeag7e
@iLLeag7e 6 жыл бұрын
Not janky at all. Total misnomer!
@cawpin
@cawpin 6 жыл бұрын
This is a particularly cool gun.
@BigFrakkinOgre
@BigFrakkinOgre 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@smokeydops
@smokeydops 6 жыл бұрын
Beautiful finish, very... "futuristic" looking...
@dimplesambyal4548
@dimplesambyal4548 3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@andymac4883
@andymac4883 2 жыл бұрын
So wait, you're saying the US army could have had a breech-loading rifle - one that could easily be converted to take paper cartridges, _substantially_ easing loading proceedure - back in the 1840s, and it's entirely possibly the only reason they didn't was because they messed up the powder load when testing it? The army gets a lot of grief sometimes, but unless there are some other mitigating circumstances in this case I think they really deserve it!
@slaughterhound8793
@slaughterhound8793 4 жыл бұрын
Lately I've gotten interested in the Mexican-American War, so I really enjoyed seeing this carbine, thanks.
@TheZinmo
@TheZinmo 6 жыл бұрын
Really elegant. A dandys gun.
@Man_fay_the_Bru
@Man_fay_the_Bru 2 жыл бұрын
As soon as I seen that I thought that was a slick little gun.
@Jesses001
@Jesses001 6 жыл бұрын
That is a nice system. Should work great with paper cartridges. Rather slender compared to most rifles of the time.
@alexsacco776
@alexsacco776 3 жыл бұрын
This looks like the parris toy muskets that we had when we were kids
@crazyfvck
@crazyfvck 6 жыл бұрын
That's a neat carbine.
@southronjr1570
@southronjr1570 6 жыл бұрын
I my experience with civil war conversions and rifles in general, those with simple rear sights were generally smooth bore originally and most everything was rifled to some extent during the early war period and just before. Have you ever touched off a rifled .69 1842? An experience your not likely to forget soon with a full service charge. Funny story about a rifled 1842, a friend of my father's used one in just one relay of our N-SSA (North-South Skirmish Assoc) matches and that was our stake event which was at the time, the last event of a match. He would break out the 42 just for that relay and he called it "termite" bc it took such big chunks out of the stake. Early in my career with the N-SSA they ruled the stake event was unfair and banned it's use in National events and eventually regional events as well, however I have made my own, legal, version in the match we hold every year.
@southronjr1570
@southronjr1570 6 жыл бұрын
Forgot to mention the reason my dad's friend didn't shoot it during the rest of the match, he said it was actually the most accurate gun he shot in matches and I asked him why he didn't use it the whole match and his reply was " well son, I'd have to own a lead mine to feed it through a whole match". I have a feeling he was joking but to a 15 year old boy listening to an old timer I knew he didn't want to admit it kicked like a mule, cause I tried it and by God it kicked, but hit exactly where I aimed .
@josephsatricleofevillanuev3194
@josephsatricleofevillanuev3194 6 жыл бұрын
The Army trials for this Jenks rifles sounds like it's been sabotaged. Sort of like how M16 was issued with the wrong powder, right?
@wolvarine35
@wolvarine35 6 жыл бұрын
and think about how we could have evolved our tactics in the civil war if we had had some variant on these instead of the muzzle loaders we had at the time. it might have gotten rid of the notion of volley fire far earlier.
@ronalddavis
@ronalddavis 6 жыл бұрын
Its all about politics and money. Not the best firearm wins.
@ronalddavis
@ronalddavis 6 жыл бұрын
Scared they would shoot too much ammo. I kid you not.
@josephsatricleofevillanuev3194
@josephsatricleofevillanuev3194 6 жыл бұрын
ronald davis Sort of like how the Remington Rolling block and Peabody rifle lost out to the Springfield trapdoor rifle. The good thing that came out of the Civil War are the number of breechloading carbine that used metallic cartridges like the Spencer, Henry, Sharps, Rolling block, Burnside, Joslyn, Palmer.....
@johnpalmer5131
@johnpalmer5131 4 жыл бұрын
Would not surprise me, the rivalry between the Army and the Navy well engrained into both services.
@seanmehonoshen9440
@seanmehonoshen9440 4 жыл бұрын
From what I can see, it seems like the early ancestor of the toggle lock.
@unclemiguel4221
@unclemiguel4221 3 жыл бұрын
i love the way this looks and i'm sad the army didn't like it
@longdarkrideatnight
@longdarkrideatnight 6 жыл бұрын
If you put in to much powder, and you end up with extra power around bolt, if so can you end up with escaping gasses setting of that extra powder?
@prechabahnglai103
@prechabahnglai103 6 жыл бұрын
14,000+ rounds?! Did shooters work in shifts?
@totensiebush
@totensiebush 6 жыл бұрын
I would think that the part of the hammer that overhangs the breechblock would be to keep the hammer from striking the cap with the gun out of battery, rather than being an attempt to keep it in battery when it fires.
@BeasBotBonanza
@BeasBotBonanza 6 жыл бұрын
This is such an elegant looking rifle, shame the sights are smaller than the chances of youtube changing their tune about gun channels :(
@hosed10
@hosed10 5 жыл бұрын
Ian. You mentioned Aims? sold the contract to Remington. Under most modern contracts for public entities 'reassignment'/selling the contracts is not allowed by the contract. Is that still the case for modern military procurement? Or is military equipment generally different in that regard?
@royperkins3851
@royperkins3851 5 жыл бұрын
The use of Minnie balls would have necessitated the lengthening of the chamber, not sure but it would be logical to widen the access to the bore ,just a thought
@greybayles7955
@greybayles7955 5 жыл бұрын
This gun looks like its carved out of a piece of driftwood... but like... cool.
@mr.anderson9938
@mr.anderson9938 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you gun Jesus
@VTPSTTU
@VTPSTTU 5 жыл бұрын
That's a slick little gun. I'd love to have a reproduction.
@karlmoles6530
@karlmoles6530 19 күн бұрын
If I was an American soldier in the Mexican/American war I'd carry two Walker Colts like Josey Wales and one of these carbines.
@486kyle
@486kyle 6 жыл бұрын
Could the "54 caliber" misunderstanding possibly be from the old naval tradition of measuring barrel lengths in bore diameters?
@explosivealanli588
@explosivealanli588 6 жыл бұрын
wouldn't the "bolt/piston" block the spark that created by percussion cap?
@mikeblair2594
@mikeblair2594 6 жыл бұрын
besides the mule ear they are also called a side slapper. they are better than the conventional percussion system in that they have a direct ignition. im not that fond of the back action lock though, to my way of thinking they weaken the wrist to much leading to breakage. there are two companies that make mule ear locks these days, but they are so simple to make i don't bother to buy them.
@BygdesonPar
@BygdesonPar 2 жыл бұрын
I have one of these. It is smooth bore, and the loading port is not converted. Still a round hole. Made in 1843. Does any one know how many of these that wasn't converted?
@dougdukes1039
@dougdukes1039 6 жыл бұрын
The Texas Army had some of the Jenks Rifles. What books did you use for research?
@nicholas_scott
@nicholas_scott 6 жыл бұрын
I think the hook on the hammer is more for an out-of-battery safety, not so much as a breech lock?
@DWillzJunior
@DWillzJunior 6 жыл бұрын
I have an idea for a video, the actual development and acceptance of .223 as a NATO standard round. There isn't a ton of info on it, and I enjoy FW's videos on the US' usually awful methods of selecting military standard armaments.
@thomaskwei9119
@thomaskwei9119 6 жыл бұрын
Would these have ben used by Marines, or would they have used more conventional Army guns?
@admiralpercy
@admiralpercy 6 жыл бұрын
Could you talk about why the Navy preferred .36 caliber revolvers?
@gunnarkvinlaug9079
@gunnarkvinlaug9079 2 жыл бұрын
Would it not be easier to use a Minie ball in the rifle?
@spiloFTW
@spiloFTW 6 жыл бұрын
Does the barrel have some special finish? It seems kinda brown.
@marci1380
@marci1380 6 жыл бұрын
NOTIFICATION SQUAD
@dwightehowell8179
@dwightehowell8179 6 жыл бұрын
That is a really cool gun. If the muzzle loading rules were black powder rather than muzzle loading this gun would have a huge market for a reproduction. I'm sorry it wasn't a much larger financial success.
@PvtMartin78
@PvtMartin78 6 жыл бұрын
What is that ring behind the trigger guard for?
@nichevo1
@nichevo1 5 жыл бұрын
Did it also/instead allow use of elongated Minie ball? And, if that's not a sling swivel behind the trigger, what is it?
@alswann2702
@alswann2702 5 жыл бұрын
Looks like a saddle ring. Someone mentioned the Texas Army purchased them, so a saddle ring seems appropriate.
@altamiradorable
@altamiradorable 4 жыл бұрын
Basically, this carbine was "jinksed" from the start ! Pun intended
@quintinstephens2573
@quintinstephens2573 Жыл бұрын
Man, I wish someone made a repro of that. I want one, but, not for $5000+ - lol
@FabianMacGintyONeill
@FabianMacGintyONeill 6 жыл бұрын
"Rufus Chandler" is a great name for a Naval Inspector. Or anyone for that matter.
@jwnagy
@jwnagy Ай бұрын
I wonder how these compared in accuracy to the Mississippi Rifles of the same era?
@debbienorris2867
@debbienorris2867 4 жыл бұрын
Low poly percussion musket
@AsbestosMuffins
@AsbestosMuffins 6 жыл бұрын
how long does it take to fire 14,000 shots through a single shot percussion rifle...
@MALICEM12
@MALICEM12 2 жыл бұрын
What coating is on the barrel to give it that color?
@jamestai5742
@jamestai5742 4 жыл бұрын
Such a nice looking gun...what a shame that it wasn't adopted by the US army.
@bobbafett3050
@bobbafett3050 6 жыл бұрын
There is something oddly pleasing about a rifle without any extra flourishes to snag and kill you. William Jenks knew what he was about given the limitations of the time period.
@Qingeaton
@Qingeaton 4 жыл бұрын
The Army Jinxed the Jenks.
@cpcw06
@cpcw06 4 жыл бұрын
Are there any good books on this firearm?
@MerrimanDevonshire
@MerrimanDevonshire 6 жыл бұрын
At least the NRA has not abandoned putting ads on videos (or KZfaq refusing to take their money) - start and end ad as of 26MAR18.
@nomad8723
@nomad8723 6 жыл бұрын
What is the finish on the barrel? Is that a form of case hardening or paint?
@scottgoodman4776
@scottgoodman4776 6 жыл бұрын
It looks like it is "browned".
@Fuddleton
@Fuddleton 6 жыл бұрын
I don't believe it. I've had this idea for a single shot rifle for a long time. As in the top mounted lever
@JKCDLT
@JKCDLT 3 жыл бұрын
I'm something of a Svelte Jenks myself.
@DaveLennonCopeland
@DaveLennonCopeland 6 жыл бұрын
Ian, I've been watching your channel for about 2 years (even though I'm not a gun person per se) and want to say that if KZfaq gives you the push (due to gun content) that would be bad. KZfaq is turning into a politically correct ass. :)
@Not-Just-Cars
@Not-Just-Cars 6 жыл бұрын
they did just got shot you know...
@OpenMawProductions
@OpenMawProductions 5 жыл бұрын
@vsGoliath, what you described is literally political. Society puts pressure on shareholders and they put pressure on KZfaq. KZfaq is a platform for free open discussion and letting individuals have a stronger voice than ever before. If you start curtailing things because you don't "like" them you start are destroying that platform. There is nothing wrong with the gun channels on KZfaq. Nothing, and you should be supporting them. Next up could be something that actually matters to you.
@ThePitofSidLord
@ThePitofSidLord 6 жыл бұрын
I read that as Svelte Jenkem and almost threw up.
@zacharyrollick6169
@zacharyrollick6169 4 жыл бұрын
I get the feeling that I am glad to not know what that is.
@Swat_Dennis
@Swat_Dennis 6 жыл бұрын
Ian, what do you think about Remington filing for bankruptcy?
@alexmoore1506
@alexmoore1506 6 жыл бұрын
dennis Hakkie I'm not really surprised
@alswann2702
@alswann2702 5 жыл бұрын
Go Navy!
@_leyrd_.
@_leyrd_. 6 жыл бұрын
Why is the barrel brown?
@mikewilburn5884
@mikewilburn5884 4 жыл бұрын
What? The U.S. Army doesn't use the recommended ammunition in a trials rifle? Surely they learned their lesson. Lmao. That tid bit of information really cracks me up.
@BobtheHobo324
@BobtheHobo324 5 жыл бұрын
"There are no sling swivels on this gun," well what is that behind the trigger guard?
@rb26gtr98
@rb26gtr98 4 жыл бұрын
Its a swivel sling
@ZGryphon
@ZGryphon 3 жыл бұрын
It _looks_ like a saddle ring, which isn't quite the same thing, although I don't know why there would be one on a Navy carbine.
@thompsonjerry3412
@thompsonjerry3412 6 жыл бұрын
Too small of a charge would leave an air gap with a bad result!
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