The Symposium - with John Vervaeke and Jacob Howland

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I sit down with John Vervaeke and Jacob Howland to discuss The Symposium, one of the great dialogues of Plato.
Professor Jacob Howland is Director of University of Austin, Texas' Intellectual Foundations program. Previously, Howland served as McFarlin Professor of Philosophy at the University of Tulsa and Senior Fellow at the Tikvah Fund. He is the author of five books and one edited book, including two on Plato’s Republic as well as studies of Kierkegaard and the Talmud. Howland’s articles have appeared in The New Criterion, City Journal, and The Nation, among others.
John Vervaeke: / @johnvervaeke
Jacob Howland: www.jacobhowland.com/
- Jacob's book, Plato and the Talmud: www.amazon.com/Plato-Talmud-J...
- John Vervaeke's KZfaq series, After Socrates: • After Socrates
- Event in Chino, California in May, titled, 'The Quest for a Spiritual Home': events.eventzilla.net/e/estua...
- Plato's Dialogues, including The Symposium, are included in our The Symbolic World reading list. See here for more: thesymbolicworld.com/reading-...
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Coming up next
00:00:33 - Intro music
00:00:59 - Important announcement
00:02:23 - Introduction
00:03:35 - Aggression and sexuality - Aristophanes
00:06:41 - The Symposium
00:09:39 - Alcibiades
00:12:27 - Great accomplishment of Plato
00:13:26 - Eros and the Christian ascetics
00:19:31 - Return to The Symposium: ascent and tragedy
00:23:41 - What makes the difference?
00:25:41 - Asceticism and seduction
00:29:08 - The longing of Alcibiades
00:33:44 - The Aristophanes myth
00:37:06 - Organic unity VS the Tower of Babel
00:40:04 - Natural polarity
00:42:58 - Custom
00:47:41 - The lover of wisdom
00:50:22 - The gift from God and the gadfly
00:54:35 - The ground of intelligibility
00:57:06 - The secret of asceticism
00:58:55 - The ladder of ascent
01:01:49 - Babel
01:05:18 - Engaged detachment
01:08:50 - Tragedy and comedy
01:12:46 - Where does this drive come from?
01:23:47 - The key difference
01:30:44 - The source
01:40:01 - Final remarks
01:41:50 - Event
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@johnvervaeke Жыл бұрын

This was so good!! Thanks Jacob and Jonathan!!

@lounaannajung4454 Жыл бұрын

We love you doc! ❤

@glennvang1302 Жыл бұрын

John, i would love to hear your analysis of moby dick. I recently started reading it after you mentioned it in your first lecture series as a means of finding god beyond the gods.

@jonjacksongrieger255 Жыл бұрын

@@glennvang1302 bot

@ethankaat3135 Жыл бұрын

Hey John! Love your work! When are you gonna accept Jesus?!

@wgrosas Жыл бұрын

It was a great episode. I had hoped you would mention Rene Girards mimetic theory. For me it explains what plato is trying to tell us about Alkibiades eros towards Socrates. Socrates wants God, Alkibiades wants socrates.

@PaulVanderKlay Жыл бұрын

This is terrific!

@theauntless Жыл бұрын

@Paul VanderKlay Looking forward to your video on this 🙃

@ivan.engelchristisking Жыл бұрын

Jonathan's point about asceticism is excellent, and it's exactly why there's a veil. If you don't veil the body you will over-indulge and it will become meaningless and aberrant.

@sararosenquist7565 Жыл бұрын

This is relevant to marriage. Research shows that 70% of marital issues are “perpetual” issues. We don’t ever resolve our perpetual issues. We learn to dance with those perpetual differences. If each partner maintains their own axis and minds the connection, the dance can be fun and beautiful but it must remain in motion in order to work.

@michaelparsons3007 Жыл бұрын

This is one of the best conversations I’ve had in a long time. Jacob will be a real blessing to this little corner.

@DanielShalomLawrence Жыл бұрын

Another J!

@AwesomeWholesome Жыл бұрын

No way. I was just learning about Plato's Symposium! Perfect timing.

@a2wingedeagle Жыл бұрын

Great discussion, I would love to see Howland back again.

@jonafen5504 Жыл бұрын

Currently watching this live, which means this comment section is in the future! Hello future people!

@TheGeneralGrievous19 Жыл бұрын

It's not live, it's a premiere.

@jabronaldrangus9524 Жыл бұрын

You're a good detective.

@knockda887 Жыл бұрын

Amazing 👏

@glennvang1302 Жыл бұрын

Such a big fan of Jonathan and John! Keep up the great content!

@brendonlake1522 Жыл бұрын

Very good discussion! Your discussion makes me think of Alcibiadies as Judas to Socrates' Christ.

@dwifred472 6 ай бұрын

Brilliant conversation

@emilypearson5484 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic! Since I discovered John through the After Socrates series, I’ve been thinking he should talk to Jake, and now we get Jonathan into the mix, too! Every bit as fruitful and provocative as I’d hoped. Jake was a great mentor and advisor in my college days, and set many students on the track “after Socrates.” The comments on mortality made me think of the end of Socrates’s speech to Alcibiades, which the latter recounts at the end of the Symposium (from the Jowett translation that’s easy to copy online): “But look again, sweet friend, and see whether you are not deceived in me. The mind begins to grow critical when the bodily eye fails, and it will be a long time before you get old.” The whole exchange is dripping with Socratic irony, and I wonder if Socrates at this moment isn’t trying to instill in Alcibiades an awareness of his own mortality, to bring him literally face-to-face with the idea that, contrary to Socrates’ explicit claim, it won’t really be a long time at all before Alcibiades’ good looks and popularity fail him.

@neffetsrelkniwressua Жыл бұрын

Alcibiades is like Dorian Gray and Socrates an Anti- Lord Henry Wotton

@AdielShnior Жыл бұрын

That was great. Thanks!

@categoryerror7 Жыл бұрын

What a wonderful conversation, looking forward to the ones to come!

@ivan.engelchristisking Жыл бұрын

The thing about Socrates that makes him captivating, saying this as an Orthdoox Christian who doesn't particularly admire him, is that he chooses the world but not the worldly, he enjoys life but he says no to authorities, he seeks truth honestly. In that sense he is the first true humanist.

@andylord3541 Жыл бұрын

Please, more conversations with these guys. This was mind blowing.

@Mlk-Al-Halabi Жыл бұрын

Thanks to you jonathan 🙏🙏 Godbless

@cameliavaschi600 9 ай бұрын

This was an amazing discussion! Thank you!

@sebastianpettit992 Жыл бұрын

That was great. I really enjoy these deep discusions.

@fargothbosmer2059 Жыл бұрын

Would love to see Vervake talk more with Mark Vernon

@fargothbosmer2059 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this. A video I will surely return to many times. I'd love to see more of Jacob in discussions with JP and JV. Thanks

@queal340 Жыл бұрын

this is awesome!

@Zazie85 Жыл бұрын

Thanks, that's been great. I'd loved to hear some thoughts about the dialogue between Socrates and Diotima. I like the idea that in the "explanation" of love from Socrates Plato decide to make him recall the lesson received from someone else instead just make him evolve an argument as its own.

@jojo9335 Жыл бұрын

Amazing discussion! Thanks for the free university level lecture ya'll...❤

@LordBlk Жыл бұрын

Wonderful talk. Funny to me how much of my instinct aligns with some of this

@ramyafennell4615 Жыл бұрын

Thank you guys for helping me understand how to read Plato! How you play off each other and Jacobs summarising was great. The main question was a struggle for me until the end...when I instantly recognised the turning point agape...as my own experience...i think suffering keeps us questing but for me meeting the love of the sage...that ultimate unconditional love...was my own turning point. I think of it as redemption actually. Also in Mahabharata...there is the ultimate hard heart of Duryodhana, he knows he is doing evil but admits openly he doesnt want to do do the right thing. I had a friend who suffered this too...he described it like 'a poison stuck in his throat'. However sad this migjt be...in the Eastern tradition its mitigated a bit... we recognise each birth as a step towards becoming One with the Divine. So nothing good or noble about a person is ever lost....it just costs them more births to rid themselves of negative tendencies.

@jasonmitchell5219 Жыл бұрын

An insightful and intelligent discussion about one of my favourite books. What more could I ask for? A follow up? Similar on the Republic? Maybe there is, I'll have a look.

@thesecondlawandthetowerhou6026 Жыл бұрын

This resentment deal has had its day. Etymology is interesting. Maybe feeling pain again. It isn’t a choice thing. Dante describes a mother who lost both her children as barking like a dog. That isn’t envy or hatred of another. It is just pure pain unsupported. In many Medieval/Renaissance paintings of Mary at the crucifixion her deadened body is always held up by kind souls around her. So-called resentment can only exist in a disordered world, as Nietzsche well knew. This super-chirpy modern world pathologizes pain. You have to prepare the meal before you can eat it, never mind see it.

@rustyshackelford3590 Жыл бұрын

So is Eros a synonym for passion

@mills8102 Жыл бұрын

I love that take about how Plato does not prove that philosophy is possible but that it is actual. Once the texts of the dialogues open up, what is revealed is that it is not speculative and that what is being referred to is in fact real.

@everythingflows3196 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful, illuminating discussion. Howland has done beautiful work not only on Plato, Kierkegaard, and the Talmud, but on Dostoevsky and Zamyatin as well (he’s one of the few people who really understands “We”). Seeing him here was a most unexpected surprise. Get him back!

@gettingtogive Жыл бұрын

This was wonderful. Thank you all🙏

@fargothbosmer2059 Жыл бұрын

It would be well worth getting someone to write up full transcriptions of these dialogues... thank you

@davitchaganava9622 Жыл бұрын

beautiful

@TheMeaningCode Жыл бұрын

Isn’t the “spark of agape” passed on from one to another down through the ages? “Love one another as I have loved you.” And, “Love builds a bridge that faith can cross over.”

@johnbizzlehart2669 Жыл бұрын

You guys are circle dancing around Christ with your ideas….♥️♥️❤️

@anotherj4896 Жыл бұрын

This was a fantastic stream.

@zeldaguy32 Жыл бұрын

One lasting theme I see in a lot of these kinds of talks, and from contemplating on it, is that God wants to let it all happen. If humans object to this, it is to their own detriment.

@socraticsceptic8047 Жыл бұрын

...I agree the middle of these ancient texts is important - however the middle in terms of word count is the start of Socrates speech (as the tradition interpretation would expect) not Aristophanes even though his was the 4th speech of 7...

@brianbob7514 Жыл бұрын

35:30 "Zeus is just the big rapist on the top of the mountain" on a T shirt please

@vimalpatel4060 Жыл бұрын

For ridicule or revival. 😁

@ChadTheAlcoholic Жыл бұрын

34:20 for some reason this brings the image of angles into my mind

@SP-mf9sh Жыл бұрын

Rosculnakov in Crime and Punishment didn't end his life and choose redemption because of his own choice. He made that decision based on the people around him who influenced his life and made him find hope through love. Sonya and his family for example.

@ramyafennell4615 Жыл бұрын

And in the case of Duryodhana and my friend they both had the love of the sage...it just couldnt penetrate their soul at that particular time.

@PrometheusMonk Жыл бұрын

Mythically speaking, Eros wants Psyche. I wonder if this might begin to explain "the difference" that John is grasping for. Eros turned towards Psyche is the movement inward towards Know Thyself.

@avipinckney 9 ай бұрын

45:40 it’s cool that Dr howland likened Aristophanes to nietzche. I do believe that Aristophanes was nietzche’s favorite Greek playwright

@Frauter Жыл бұрын

1:18:00 At some metaphysical level it is a choice -- this notion is explored in Clarice Lispector's "A Breath of Life", her final (unfinished) work in which she stages a dialogue between an author and his character. The tension between sensuality and the drive for transcendence is central too, but the underlying sense of ultimate choice is a "horrible" conviction that slowly emerges throughout the book and crystallizes at the end.

@Frauter Жыл бұрын

the notion in her book is that we choose death when we want it, nobody dies without it being their desire at the most fundamental level

@ShowMeMoviesInc. Жыл бұрын

Dude I like This Jacob Howland I’d love to hear more from him!

@tensevo 11 ай бұрын

it seems obvious that when you are in power, or put yourself in power, you look only down, so it is harder to think you are not indeed, as God, or like Gods, whereas, if you are looking up at power, it is more clear to see beyond that, to a transcendent power, to know you are not indeed a God.

@travisholmes3751 Жыл бұрын

Synchronicity! I've been reading the symposium for the last week and then this drops today.

@dalibofurnell Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Jonathan , God Bless

@stevenyoung3752 Жыл бұрын

The dragon is awesome but i kind of miss that old image in the intro, does anyone know what it is? Looked like the creation story or something

@thesecondlawandthetowerhou6026 Жыл бұрын

13:22 ….objects of Eros is problem…need to re-direct…..prime drive into union with God…..Desire

@brendantannam499 Жыл бұрын

When John kept asking what makes you move on from eros to agape, I kept think of his recent conversation about Kierkegaard and the move from the aesthetic to the ethical. If I remember correctly, it was that it dawned on you that were not going to live forever so you felt the need to interact with a greater power.

@No_Ghosts Жыл бұрын

do you remember where Kierkegaard talks about this? sounds interesting

@brendantannam499 Жыл бұрын

@No_Ghosts Sadly, no. I haven't read Kirkegaard. John and Christopher spoke of it, I think, in their first video in the After Socrates series relating Socrates and Kirkegaard. I looked it up in a school philosophy book where most of the content was about Kirkegaard's three stages of life: aesthetic, ethical and religious.

@No_Ghosts Жыл бұрын

@@brendantannam499 thanks for the info

@brendantannam499 Жыл бұрын

@@No_Ghosts You're very welcome!

@VeguldenZilverling 11 ай бұрын

Maybe Either/Or and Stages on Life's Way. But probably thoughout his whole corpus.

@ciroperaita9786 Жыл бұрын

Something that came to My mind is the book 1984. The modern ultimate depiction of tyrany has some powerfull comentary on love and hate. The people of the inner party are told to be chast, to refrain from sex and that pent up frustratión is exploited and redirected towards hate to the enemies of the state, and cheering for the Big brother. But the protagonist and his love interest take the passionate love making between them as a stance of rebelión, as centering their attention to each other and something higher (rebelión against Big brother, thus atacking the gods)

@Uthwita Жыл бұрын

I would contend with the points made about the formation of Eve. The Bible and the Church fathers are clear in their statements that woman is from man as is seen in 1 Corinthians 11:8-9. The Church Fathers also clearly say that the statement of Adam wasn't something said in a state of eros, but is rather a prophetic statement guided by the Holy Ghost, not also that Adam names womankind but Eve does not name mankind.

@cidklutch Жыл бұрын

Excellent discussion. Took me back to Philosophy 501

@thesecondlawandthetowerhou6026 Жыл бұрын

Oh wow! Love this! Longing and seduced towards the good.

@LordBlk Жыл бұрын

1:39:00 makes me think of how the christian talks about the indwelling of the spirit

@sennewam Жыл бұрын

Based

@RickDelmonico Жыл бұрын

The equanimity of tragedy and comedy? To dull experience until value losses meaning. All living systems seek value at the expense of truth.

@beng7206 Жыл бұрын

Is the Christian answer to the "what is it": grace? The problem I'm working through with that now is the supernatural-determinism of Calvin and predestination that can lead to a deep nihilism.

@RickDelmonico Жыл бұрын

The feminine essence of being is intimate disclosure, the masculine essence of being is shared experience. The young woman dabbles in sex (for which she is not ready) to get love and the young man dabbles in love (for which he is not ready) to get sex. Each is hoping for good outcomes but their definition of success is very different. Men are attracted to a woman who will do all of those interesting things. Women are attracted to influential, talented men who 'get them'. With women, if you're being obvious, you're playing the wrong game. Erotic ethos is primarily shared experience, secondarily proper orientation, and tertiarily intimate disclosure. Erotic pathos is primarily intimate disclosure, secondarily shared experience, and tertiarily proper orientation. Erotic logos is primarily proper orientation, secondarily intimate disclosure, and tertiarily shared experience.

@RickDelmonico Жыл бұрын

@truly blessed I believe so.

@lettheriver Жыл бұрын

Besure to teach your daughter. Where men are failing their children.

@RickDelmonico Жыл бұрын

@@lettheriver If a beautiful young woman presents herself as available and adventurous, she is betraying the principle of intimacy. No good will come if it. Intimacy demands a pledge of commitment.

@so8397 Жыл бұрын

Whats like the best version of the bible that would be used by orthodox christians? Its a weird question but I grew up in charismatic churches which ruined my perseption of christianity but Jonathan has helped me want to redirect myself into it. What other texts are recommended for reading and studying?

@andrewternet8370 Жыл бұрын

Orthodox Study Bible (uses NKJV) ESV RSV

@ShowMeMoviesInc. Жыл бұрын

An outside text that has helped me (and many others in your position) was Fr. Seraphim Roses Gods revelation to the Human heart. It’s very short and simple language

@moisebenezra Жыл бұрын

DO NOT use the versions recommended by Andrew Ternet. Except maybe the annotations in the study Bible, but NKJV is dreadful. For the Old Testament, read Robert Alter's if you want to actually get to what is being said, although not directly from an Orthodox Christian perspective. For the New Testament, Bentley Hart's new edition that was just published. For the whole Bible, use the original KJV.

@maximosmagyar9653 Жыл бұрын

@@moisebenezra I'm Orthodox and the Hart and Alter translations are what I use for study. I've gotten a lot out of both. The DBH translation I'm using is from 2017. Maybe there is a new edition that's better. A potential downside of the Robert Alter translation from an Orthodox perspective is that it doesn't take the Septuagint into account as much as might be preferable. Alter isn't overtly religious so don't expect the footnotes to spell out doctrine you ought to take from the text. DBH has a lot of theological axes to grind and I've heard his translation choices sometimes appear to be motivated by these axes. The notes in recent editions of the Orthodox Study Bible have been criticized by priests and laymen alike for being too simplistic. I haven't read them so I don't know. I never use it. I do know the transition is terrible. The NKJV translation was not selected because it is a good translation but because it was cheap or free to print.

@moisebenezra Жыл бұрын

@@maximosmagyar9653 For sure, there are those downsides, and more. If you read french, there is an official Orthodox translation: La Traduction Officielle Liturgique. And there is the utterly fantastic and breathtaking masterpiece by André Chouraqui, which has no equivalent in English among what I've seen. In English another one for some books of the old testament is Everett Fox. And the JPS.

@john-maryknight2012 Жыл бұрын

This was an amazing conversation. I oft find these streams abstract and inaccessible (not that I do not understand it, but that it is specific to their interests), but this one was very insightful.

@desireegreen653 Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@thesecondlawandthetowerhou6026 Жыл бұрын

1:38. Gaze affording you to give birth to yourself. The answer to addiction is the gaze.

@TheGerogero Жыл бұрын

Where does this drive come from? Please have Bernardo Kastrup chip in on this.

@missh1774 Жыл бұрын

This sent me on a Leonardo Da Vinci cross checking facts from fiction investigation the other night. Oh man, the heights we are inspired to reach 😒 sniffs*🥃. Argh its not that bad. Is it? Il keep it in the emergency pack just in case. Thank you JP, JV, JH.

@user-km3mp7fe1h 9 ай бұрын

JohnV: Give me a chance to make an arugment, and than give me time to respond to the arugment I just made.....😂

@carpedei_ Жыл бұрын

Jacob Howland sounds just like Eric Weinstein, that's crazy!

@johngrogan6313 Жыл бұрын

Isn't the answer to the question "Where does this drive come from?" found in Hope? I think hope is the through line of all the comments that followed. Jonathan talked about age. Jacob talked about having grandchildren. Hope is desire with the expectation of fulfillment. I would say it this way. I can be convincing, but I can't be a salesman because I take rejection too hard. I could be a teacher, a tutor, a mentor, or I could run a lab. I have good ideas, but I can't run an organization because I'm not very organized. I can be an inventor, an engineer, a lab tech, etc. Every time I tried and failed at something like these things I described, it revealed what would happen if I tried. That changed what I wanted. That is exactly the effect that suffering has on the hopeful person. When we suffer (meaning some unfulfilled desire), our expectations move more and more in conformity with reality. When that happens, our desire changes. So, let's assume I'm suffering guilt. It's because I did something that ended up hurting you. The realization of that, will change my desire. I'll either change what I want, or I'll change the way I want to get it. When our expectations conform with reality, our desire becomes something that can be fulfilled. We descend into the void through suffering (mini death). Through self-reflection, (the promptings of the Holy Spirit, etc.) we rise to new life with a new desire. As Jacob said, in reference to his grandkids, it's about renewal. I think this is what reconciles the participatory, perspectival, procedural knowledge with suffering and with renewal. The linchpin is the expectation in conformity with reality.

@wordta Жыл бұрын

Interesting discussion. I’ve spent a lot of time in my life praying for my own suffering and “death”. One of my recent confessions was that of despondency. Did my prayers work or am I retarded? 😂 Partly joking. Am I retarded, in that, I am slow to put things in proper relation and perspective; probably. Maybe it could be described as “resentment of a disordered mind”. Thankfully my priest gave me a book to read about despondency, unfortunately I’ve been to busy moping around to get started in it.

@aaronmichaelseckman Жыл бұрын

grappling for a cause, a control over wisdom

@breakonthru5 Жыл бұрын

This is gross. I'm 45 mins in and the dude in the top right won't stop making everything sexual. He has no interest in moving outside of his philosophy. God bless Jonathan for talking with people like this, hopefully it's a good thing.

@CarlosVargas-jz8gl Жыл бұрын

Hope you watched till the end. The beginning was a little iffy with the Eros but it ties pretty well at the end

@both-and Жыл бұрын

Your faith is what heals you

@russelllaviolette7515 Жыл бұрын

Thinking how Jamie Smith's notion of Agape being rightly aimed (towards God) Eros would contribute to this discussion.

@KH-se8pq Жыл бұрын

John Vervaeke needs to have Dr. Timothy Patitsas on his channel! Please Somebody make this happen!

@thesecondlawandthetowerhou6026 Жыл бұрын

1:11 Jonathan is dead-right about Dante. The Commedia centres on desiderio, etymologically of/from the stars. I mean, in case we missed the point, Dante ends each cantica with the vision of the stars, desiderio. Beatrice as Eros sent by the Madonna and the Lady of Light, eyes of whom were taken by the aggressive male tyrant. In La Vita Nuova Dante states that he is going to write a book about Beatrice, the girl and woman he knew in Firenze as a child and young man, the likes of which have never been written before. 10 years later, he starts writing the Inferno and the feminine is the center from the beginning. Dante refers to the work as his comedy, yet it was always known as El Dante, in his time. Dante as exemplar. Dante to this day is Italy’s Socrates. The Inferno is very comedic, even slapstick because evil is always banal. It is also deeply dark: Count Ugolino eats his children in their prison right near the ending….(Hmm…Is there a devouring Mother archetype in Dante’s Commedia?)

@thesecondlawandthetowerhou6026 Жыл бұрын

41:53 Eros and Aggression

@RickDelmonico Жыл бұрын

How you understand redemption affects your orientation towards death. Did Jesus take redemption seriously? Did tragedy get much space in the life of Jesus? Did Jesus enjoy a good meal, fellowship, and others aspects of living? Notice; Jesus was not a stoic.

@patrikpetersson9742 Жыл бұрын

You should also speak to Rob koons from Austin. He argues for teleology, the return to Aristotle and the waning of materialism. From an analytic philosophical point of view.

@maggen_me7790 Жыл бұрын

💓

@chuckmorris2180 Жыл бұрын

For sone reason I dont like this guy. Cant put my finger on it though

@brendantannam499 Жыл бұрын

Probably because he's happy.

@Anthony-Avoiding-Babylon Жыл бұрын

Jonathan, I’ve been dying to talk to you on our channel. I don’t have anything to offer in return except some treasure in heaven for remembering the least of Christs brethren. I want to have a discussion on the new gods, typology in scripture, and the return of Babylon. What can I do to make this happen? I’ve reached out on every platform I could think of.

@pik377 Жыл бұрын

The idea of proving the unity of tragedy and comedy but then forgetting is like a performative proof. It is both comedic and tragic that you would have a proof but forget it

@RickDelmonico Жыл бұрын

Myths that share common origins are fractals that are more meaningful than truthful.

@KenDay Жыл бұрын

Takes his seat …..

@Augass Жыл бұрын

@joshwrt2029 Жыл бұрын

If Pageau keeps wearing that shirt people are deffo gonna start thinking he's starting a paramilitary group.

@vimalpatel4060 Жыл бұрын

Would that be a problem?

@No_Ghosts Жыл бұрын

we'll be sure when he grows back the Castro beard

@notloki3377 Жыл бұрын

Greek myths as told by freud. Hard to listen to.

@TheMeaningCode Жыл бұрын

Re the need to die voluntarily: Romans 6 - Reckon yourself dead to sin. Jonathan, what does that verse mean?

@olafhaze7898 Жыл бұрын

I think the difference is how one engages in believe to enhance their faith. I once had a talk about GOD i said: "Look GOD can make this fly sat on the desk immediately" and GOD made the fly sat on the desk in an instant. For me this was a great precious sign, because from that i conclude that the LORD is aware of and has absolute influence over even the tiniest part of existence. But for her according to her faith i think were suggested thoughts of chance and she considered them. there seems a correlation hard to describe, like In what can you believe by revelation without need for a sign, which seem to make a great difference. To gain understanding of death maybe it helps to look a these different and increased aspects of death. In the woods are different and i would say quiet less aspects than in the city for example, and most are pointing to us. If you would believe that you will be raised again death can be very useful for example being then able to falling in love again and experience the freshness of it, or all situation of hate and the consequences of it are resolved or the hardening of the heart. So it really depends on your believe from which perspective you are able to look onto.

@sastracaksusa2728 Жыл бұрын

Hard to follow without prior knowledge. Maybe speak in a way that people can understand who aren't scholars totally absorbed in these topics.

@AprendeMovimiento Жыл бұрын

The answer is always found in the Trinitarian principle, the creature is limited participation within the Trinitarian God, Trinity means three and one, multiplicity and unity bound in essence, every limitation in that trinitarian God becomes a duality that it still able to hold together as one thing, but that one creature is always holding a paradox a duality because he is dual but it is God himself who is giving himself to that limited participation (creature) in order for that creature to be alive and have an existence as such. The duality (participation) is found in the middle between the unity and multiplicity of God himself. God is a Father who begets his Son eternally, and both communicate eternally with each other through the Spirit, each person is fully God yet distinct from one another by their relations, but they are united in Agape Love, since they eternally give themselves to the other so perfectly that they are just one God. The human wants to be that trinitarian God but he can only enter into the mystery by accepting the limitations given to him (duality) and by embracing it fully just as the infinite God went full on into limiting himself in order to be participated by a created universe that is relative to the absolute (God), that's why Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life, because he is the perfect model of embracing the limitations that God gave to his creation for pure agape love, for the love of giving yourself to the other while never losing your distinction neither taking away the distinction of the other, because you love primarily that God that is unity without confusion and distinction without separation.

@KalebeLimao 6 ай бұрын

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@aryanz66 Жыл бұрын

Nice haircut John!

@RomanKosins Жыл бұрын

That was great. “You are always going to be in between.” As an American Buddhist I am “non-theistic.” That means we neither believe that there is a god nor that there is not a god. The truth is in between theism and atheism. That’s why it is called the “middle way path.” The truth is beyond any extreme belief in eternalism or nihilism. That is why sitting meditation practice is at the core of the religion. The absolute state of “nowness” is not a thought pattern to be believed in. It is a state of being. If we did not have human bodies then we would be incapable of practicing this. So just relating to our embodied human situation correctly is the path. It sounds easy but we humans are sensitive creatures that can feel so much pain and sorrow and anger. Sometimes we tend not to look at things as they are but instead confuse ourselves with our self. We think we are something that is eternal or we don’t think that we exist at all. Both those options are obviously incorrect and cause us to act in ways that create suffering. If somebody asked me “what are we if we are neither eternal or non-existent?” I would probably answer “who is it that is asking me that question.” -“no suffering, no origin of suffering, no cessation of suffering, no path, no goal, no attainment, and no non-attainment,……the bodhisattvas abide by means of prajnaparamita.”

@aaronmichaelseckman Жыл бұрын

awakening to the desire to not be can strike a balancing settlement to the folly of eros

@RickDelmonico Жыл бұрын

All sensation is subject to filtering.

@MS-od7je Жыл бұрын

Alcibiades was competent, and probably would have won the war against Syracuse. However, he was called back for trial. However, he escaped and was able to tell the Spartans what needed to be done in order to finally destroy Athens. He did not think his acts were acts of treason, but a way to get rid of the people who oppose him, and he returned as the leader of Athens he thought his uncle should have been. It was very likely his counterpart who led the Syracuse disaster, unwillingly who knocked down the Herms and blamed Alcibiades. This was in my mind a Machiavellian example in ancient history