Fact based

I highly doubt that Moore will E V E R admit what the rest of us have always known.

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@@DJK-cq2uy Getting knocked out by Foreman ain't a sign of glass jaw....even old Foreman....like Foreman in 2023 ..could probably knock out most men if you stood in front of him..... Mooer was many things.....hard headed, a jack ass.....but glass jawed....only Foreman and Tua KO'd him in a 57 fight career....that's not a glass jaw

@Andro Libre Alex Stewart...feather fisted buckled his legs in 1991..watch the fight. Evander, a stud knocked him on his ass what three times in one fight.

mark unrau Frazier and Moorer

Good point.

Frazier is still awesome. Nowhere near as arrogant as Moorer.

5 years later and Foreman is still underrated somehow.

George foreman set this fight up and Micheal fell into his trap then sold grills smile

It brought a tear to my eyes, i'll tell you that!

'once again' got me.

"middle aged men simply do not win against 26 year old HW champions of the world" :)

@@Lava1964 me too

Tears to my eyes? I lose it every time I watch this clip. 😢 God bless you, George!

yeah lucky...with a 20 years age disavantage 10 rounds in a figth he was loosing.if you ask me i will say that ive seen better set up to get lucky than that

quite easy for a 45 year old man to get lucky... at 30, there's no way a 50 year old is kicking my ass after i have been roughing him up the whole ride

He may have been "loosing" but he tightened it up in the end.

@- Cicero facts lol

@- Cicero George could probably beat the majority of us just by spitting on us. I can't imagine how scary it was to face a prime Foreman.

Michale Moorer is not wrong... Foreman got lucky. But the luck found him hard at work trying to make it happen.

@@sergiobollana how many times have you watched the whole fight and how recently was the last time??

There was no way Foreman could out point Moorer. George knew he could get a KO punch. He got it.

Factual

@Brock Barber Very well put. Michael Moore didn't then, doesn't now, nor is it likely that he ever will see it....see it for what it is: Forman set him up like a bowling pin, with Moore making the exact mistake George said he would--stand in front of him. Moore did it, Forman stretched him out, and luck had absolutely nothing to do with it.

exactly!

***** LOL.. meanwhile, watched the skin on the back of his neck reverberate when he gets hit.. He got knocked the fuck out, period..

roo7227 Along with Moorer's blood filling his mouth and spilling out as he tries to get up. Moorer was the 68 KO,SIXTY EIGHT not a record but still that's a lot of KO's let alone fights by today's standards.

markyncole My favorite part, and I'm not knocking Moorer, whom I always thought was a great fighter, but when he tries to get up and all he can do is lift his head, cause his body is refusing to cooperate... That's when you know someone just got hit real hard!.. lol..

***** Lol... yeah kid Moorer doesn't have an outstanding chin. If Holyfield can knock him down in a fight even if Holyfield loses which he did. George Foreman can win on a sneaky 1-2. That wasn't luck... even Moorer respects the hit. Saying lucky is his excuse for a poor chin.

he was a bully

RealDjToddThunder he was a true gentleman & bad ass, rare combination indeed

Not quite the end of the story. What you must ask is WHY did he stand in front of Foreman? And the answer is because Foreman was playing him, he didn't use his full power and lured Moorer into believing that he could take what George could throw. He was wrong. Foreman roped his dope.

@@tonyb9735 Tremendous obvious pressure even then to be a star, you gotta knock MFers out, or no one cares. So obvious after the Tyson era. Ironically Tyson might have aimed for going the distance, cuz he knew what a monster George was.

It was a slip. Moorer won that fight.

There's no "like" about it. He did.

Me too, that's the part that always brings the tears. There's picture of Buster Douglas holding his right hand up and looking up after his win over Tyson. That picture has always been spine tingling and perhaps my favorite in the history of the sport.

Recapturing the Heavyweight Title after ALL

It was just a different version of the rope-a-dope strategy employed by Ali vs Foreman in Zaire. Foreman knew that he had only one chance to beat Moorer and it was exactly as Teddy Atlas described. Moorer was too quick and as a Southpaw he could better protect against the right hand than other opponents. George had to move him to the left and lull him to sleep so he could set up the knockout combo. Foreman wasn't "lucky," but his strategy was risky (just as Ali's was in Zaire). He had to endure a tremendous amount of punishment just to set up his one shot at the knockout. Moorer easily could've have knocked him out or simply avoided exposing himself to the combo by moving around. He had an insurmountable lead in the fight. Unfortunately, Moorer made the tragic mistake.

exactly

Great comment, but Moore couldn’t have easily knocked him out. He was trying to. Also, you don’t win 65 heavyweight fights against two losses (George’s record coming into Holyfield), without an all-time chin.

george was setting moorer up all night by making micheal think georges power was gone, this made micheal gradually get closer and more comfortable standing in front of george. BIIIIG mistake. teddy saw this happening and was trying to tell micheal but he was too stubborn to listen

Exactly. As someone else in the comments said, 45 year old men don’t get “lucky” in the 10th round of a world heavyweight championship fight. It’s obvious Moorer is extremely bitter, and I can’t say I blame him, winning this fight might have propelled him to superstardom. He lost because of his own arrogance and ignorance. Foreman even said in interviews before the fight “at some point, he’s gonna have to stand in front of me, and that’s where I’ll get him”. Teddy Atlas, Moorer’s own manager, repeatedly said “don’t stand in front of him, create distance”. Moorer thought he knew better, and it cost him dearly. Luck had nothing to do with it.

Right

Exactly. So how does his trainer know but you didn’t. Stop Michael your hating!!!

@@edjralvarado exactly

Exactly

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Yes

Good call

Here comes the movie

Dwayne Williams he didn't set it all up, he did however set up that punch

Dwayne Williams no such thing as luck in boxing some would of doged it some would have taken ot some would of blocked ot some would have saw him setting it up

Yeah, calling George's win luck is just stupid.

That was not lucky..but that was a superb..because george has he own strategy...he wait and counting when he should throw one big punch to moore..and he got it...and goodnight to moore....

I have to disagree no one purposely gets beat for 10 rounds. And set up a punch 🥊 🤜🏿 that was a lucky shot.

Very true

He just knew how Michael was in the ring.

of course, moorer is delusional...did he think that foreman imagined he would win by dancing around and beating him with speed or reflexes. you dont even need to know boxing to understand that foreman had to lure him in pay the price,get hit alot so he could get a chance to land some big ones there are simply no other way he could win..if moorer would had stuck runing around jabbing and moving there is simply no way foreman could win

Atlas told him that in the corner before round 10.

Atlas is obnoxious? The dude can motivate any bum to a world-class fighter! Listen to him talk; he can move mountains with words.

@@salex354 things wouldve been different if he was in tyson's corner after gus died.just my opinion.atlas like disciplines, tyson had none

@@aniqshardin Absolutely. That brand of tough love is something else. The way Atlas motivated that heavyweight russian fighter, by bringing up his late father and telling him by winning today, he's remembering his father's legacy, he could've used that leverage with cus for Tyson in the Holyfield fight as cus was a genuine surrogate father for Tyson.

Compare that to Holyfield, who said that after the second round, where he got caught with a punch and thought he lost teeth against Foreman, respected his power completely. He was criticised for clinching Foreman in the 12th as much as he did. His reason, because he knew Foreman would be going for the knockout, and didn't want to chance it that he would get KO'ed by one hit. Foreman said he planned the 1-2, Jim Lampley (the commentator who said "it happened") swears to this day that Foreman told him for months that Moorer would stand still in the later rounds and be knocked out by a 1-2, Atlas saw it early and kept telling Moorer in the fight, everyone except Moorer was weary of Foreman's power, and he paid the price.

@@MrDioXIII foreman learned from hf fight if he pushed from the beginning moorer would did the same thing like hf did move around and outbox him, so he punched moore softly in earlier round to make moorer think he can handle his power and go toe to toe with him

@@MrDioXIII Yeah, Holyfield said his whole mouth area was numb, and he had to ask his corner if all of his teeth were still there.

He used the same strategy Ali used against him in reverse

"somewhere late in the fight, he's gonna come and stand in front of me."

@@nathandubose2876 Ali had the benefit of Angelo Dundee tampering with the ropes pre-fight. They were notorious cheats, the whole team...

Boxer Randall Tex Cobb once said, “In tennis you make a mistake, it’s Love-15. You make a mistake in boxing, that’s your ass. Moorer made that mistake and it sure wasn’t Love-15. His ass was dizzy down on the canvas.

Foolish pride is what got Moorer Koed

edgar95035 LISTEN to YOUR Coach/corner! they told exactly what George was going to try to do and Michael??? you did not listen and George did it!

+MrGrant68 Exactly!

+edgar95035 Moorer was a tough fighter, but an idiot in terms of boxing intelligence.

+MrGrant68 your comment ends all arguments. It was his problem from day one. He would not listen. Before this fight, against Holyfield, Teddy is pleading with him to step it up, and you only had to look at the pouty expression on his face, which tells you how hard he was to work with. He was warned not to stand in front of George well before the knockout round. There was no question that George set him up, and the punch he landed well and truly knocked him into the middle of next week!!

that's right Mr. Grant...he was like that too with Emmanuel Steward...so why even hire a trainer if he's not gonna listen

Amen brother!

Coping mechanism. This was a younger version of him too. I imagine deep down he knows he got took to school.

When you face an old master, stay away from the trap. Evander holyfield was smart enough to do that, you notice after he got hit a few times he stayed the heck away. What George did in this fight was even more genius than what he did against holyfield. He slowly turned up the heat over a number of rounds. This allowed him to accumulate damage on the younger man over a long period of time, so that when he turned it all the way up it would be too late.

But that’s Moorer. If it makes sense he won’t agree. Typical dumb boxer. In his own head.

So are you ready for a Michael Moorer return pushing 60 to vanquish the demon of George Foreman?

Most vicious punch...AND one of the most vicious chins ever. Moorer hit him with plenty of "knockout" punches; they just weren't hard enough for George. I very much agree with you about this being one of the greatest moments in sports history; and amazingly, George was part of THREE of them imo. I think this moment cemented George as the ultimate heavyweight. Not the greatest, imo. But he had the ultimate heavyweight punch, the ultimate heavyweight chin, and the ultimate heavyweight mentality. In the dictionary, under the word "heavyweight", George's picture goes there. Not Tyson's. Not Liston's. Not even Louis's. Not even Ali's.

@@Nkosinati 100% x a million in agreement, love George, I’ve followed his career since his Olympic win, I was 10 yrs of age then, today I’m 64 and Foreman is one of my all times heroes, truly inspiring man in every aspect.

​@@AFMMarcelD ...Well, your comment confirms that it's past time for the man's story to be highlighted on the biggest stage. Can't wait for his movie release on the 28th; i pray that it's brilliantly done so as to honor him and The Lord he serves. I'm only 53, and for most of my young life George has primarily played the role of villain and "dope" in countless Ali movies and documentaries. It's his time; so glad he's alive and amazingly well to enjoy his flowers. And his achievement against Moorer...every bit as legendary as Ali's achievement in Zaire albeit for different reasons...hope the movie does it justice.

@@Nkosinati Once again I find myself in total agreement with your sentiment. Oh, man have to admit I’m nervous about the film, you know how most everything in a movie is the storyline, hope it matches and is faithful to the man and his achievements. As you well pointed out, we’re happy George is still well so as to see he’s not forgotten and we appreciate and love him. I’ll try to be brief on the following anecdote, it happened to a co-worker of mine back in 2006 I’ll use her own words and narrative…”We drove to Las Vegas with mother and sister (husband stayed behind taking care of my toddler) for the weekend to help my sis cope with a heartbreak, as we finished lunch @ Caesar’s Palace buffet we’re started to head out when we’ve noticed there were some people surrounding this particular table, I’m curious so I shoved and pushed my way through and lord & behold eating lunch and sitting at that table was George Foreman with a friend, I bluntly stood in front of him and said…GEORGE! my husband loves YOU! he answered “Well, where is he?” Home with our baby girl, without further ado George took a napkin from the dining table and wrote “To Jimmy best regards, keep on punching…love George” She had to narrate this story @ work to everyone who will listen, and because we worked together (same department) I spoke candidly perhaps once or twice regarding boxing past golden years and present where purses are astronomical) she nonchalant mentioned her husband’s favorite boxer George Foreman because her husband had his VHS fights on tape) The irony of all of this? she’s not interested in big George or much into boxing, but she recognized him on that dining table because her husband had the Foreman grill and saved the box in the closet with the picture of chubby bald headed George on it, oh the irony! 🥲 I wonder what he was doing there? comes to mind when he was commenting with Jim Lampley and Larry Merchant many of those HBO PPV nights, most of those fights were in Vegas of course. Stay well, best of health to you and we’ll be watching that film on the 28th, blessings.🙌

I was 18 when this,happened I remember....my mother and grandmother even watching routing on old George...he was a beloved figure in American Society....yet the boxing writers pretty much laughed him off....I remember my whole family jumping up and down.....and that 10 count seemed like a full minute because we knew if Moorer shook it off ,he would have probably won.

I watched it with your momma

If lampley says it happened, it happened.

george was punching holes in heavybags before his fight with ali. unreal power.

I remember in one interview Moorer said it felt like George had bricks in his gloves.

I think that is why Moorer did not adjust. He took that shot a few times and thought that was it ....that was all his power. Till he kept landing it and finally wore him down and KO'd him

@@maxpower2511 George was pulling his punches in the early rounds

@@casualxxgamerxx9662 Eh, I do not think he was pulling, he was most likely just timing it.

That’s what people don’t realize. Those heavy hands only need 6 inches to get the job done.

As President you should have stopped that fight for Moorer’s sake.

Yes sir

I agree, he utterly destroyed Norton and Frazier...Frazier was crushed twice ! George is the best !!

indeed -- pretty amazing to me that moorer lasted as long as he did --- he got hit with that sledgehammer at least a dozen times throughout the fight - but none of them were the perfect punch - the last one however -- everything was just right & his lights went out -- that punch could have knocked three guys out -

Famous quote "Youth is wasted on the young".

Sane Man Indeed great quote, Bernard Shaw. Well Shaw wrote a more verbose version and someone who no one knows shortened it to this which is brilliant but will never receive the credit. I seem to remember from QI the original quote referenced children a pity it has to be wasted on children or something like that. It is the invisible shortening I like.

I agree. I think older George was a way better fighter than young George. If only he could have put that together when he was younger, he would have been unstoppable.

Unfortunately, some lessons are only learned through painful experience.

Tom Brady?

Get off the drugs kid....​@cherylcollette6736

It has to do with age. These powerfull hooks and overhand rights really take out a lot out of you energy-wise. So George was using the jab a lot more to preserve energy.

good analysis re 2nd career george.... I got george in his prime (I think it was in the first frazier fight, he was really focused and polished in that fight), 3-4th greatest all time, prime vs prime.

He was conserving his energy. He did sometimes against the lesser fighters.

George still fought smart in his youth. His whole style revolved around old boxing techniques from bareknuckle boxing. He uses his left hand to deflect or smother the opponent's punches to set up for his jab to keep his opponents at arm's length to leverage his superior size and wingspan. He was essentially that one character in a fighting game that nobody thinks to counter, and so they suffer when someone actually knows how to play them. It's a good idea in theory, and George proved it definitelt held up to scrutiny. Old George just adjusted his style by adding the cross guard and got a lot smarter about when and where to throw punches, rather than blasting his opponents with repeated barrages. I think I agree with Old George's assumption that he would beat his younger self. He just has a significantly higher ring IQ and he is still strong enough to take his own blows and dish out some mean damage. It'd be a battle of attrition that the older man would ironically win.

Good post Patrick, I wouldn't want George hitting me anywhere.

My Dad is 64, im 23 and I try to keep in good shape. Not bragging but i have some muscles, my dad is little chubby now but you can tell he was a weight lifter when he was young. He fought in the streets to survive back in them days and he has ungodly power. He hit me in my abs accidentally once trying to teach me self defense. I couldn't breathe for a couple minutes he knocked the wind out of me, If that was accidental then id hate to see a real punch from him.

Dave Kerns: So was I. What in incredible accomplishment!

+nellystake Ali wasn't as arrogant as you think.

Ali was a great fight seller but after fights specially years after that he was never denying his opponents

Pretty sure he was joking.

Right

Often, the only person you harm by disrespecting your opponent in the ring is yourself.

The look and mannerisms of Spinx during that clip is the bitter truth of a man speaking from experience.. lol.. I laughed my ass off too, when I saw it.. lol..

Moorer is bothered by the way he lost. Moorer was always that kinda guy who thought he was smarter than he really was. Foreman exposed the big con that was Moorer by outsmarting him.

@@mongoose470 Calling Moorer a "big con" is disingenuous. He was a tremendous fighter that made a mistake. He was technically superior to almost everybody he fought in the ring. The problem was that he wasn't really a heavyweight. He was a light-heavyweight. He gave up 28 lbs to Foreman in that fight. He didn't have heavyweight power. A true heavyweight could've knocked Foreman out early in that fight. In any case, Moorer regained the heavyweight title in 1996. He was not a "big con." He just got beat.

@@jc22558 Yeah my remark way back then was genuine, but harsh. Maybe too harsh. He did act like he thought he was smarter than everybody when he truly wasn't, but Moorer was being genuine about that. But Moorer made a stupid error when he stood right in front of Foreman. Weight was not a factor in that fight given Moorer smoked Foreman like a joint for 10 rounds. Moorer had to know Foreman's only chance was is if he stopped moving and gave Foreman the time to set and fire, which he did. Had he followed Atlas' instructions, Moorer wins by wide unanimous decision. As such he got outsmarted. Foreman knew his only chance was a pucnher's chance.

+jasona9 You're missing a lot of key information. Lewis had in fact been in negotiations with both Moorer and Bowe, and ended up signing a contract to fight McCall, as he would split a record $31 Million purse with Bowe if they fought, with the only stipulation being that he had to beat McCall. This nixed a Moorer fight for a while, because it would be stupid to pass up that kind of money, plus he and Bowe had been Olympic rivals, so while Bowe and Lewis were tied up in contracts, Moorer didn't have many other options to stay active. Holyfield? He just beat him months before. Herbie Hide? The WBO belt was a joke at the time. Tony Tucker you said? He was on the downslope of his career fighting unknowns in bums, and ended up dropping his next 3 fights following Moorer's win over Holyfield. Ray Mercer or Tommy Morrison? Both had just fought to draws against complete bums on the exact same card. And of course Tyson was still in jail. The Heavyweight division was in a huge slump with no real contenders or big payday fights existed for him other than lose-lose situations. If he had fought any of the guys who weren't tied up, he'd get shit for pay, unimportant wins, and/or a useless belt nobody cared about. He figured that Foreman would bring him a huge payday, big name status, and keep him sharp for a Holyfield rematch or a fight against Bowe or Lennox. Basically, as much of a dick as Moorer was, he really didn't have many options and Foreman seemed to be the best one; big pay and a big name.

TheGr8one1022 You listed solid information. I admit to not knowing of "formal negotiations" between the top boxers of that period. I wrote my post based on an interview I saw with Moorer after he won the WBA and IBF titles. Moorer stated that he was not interested in fighting Lewis.. I heard that from the horses mouth! As I wrote above Moorer spoke very unfavorably about Big George. To write that George did not earn a title shot in the ring is an extreme understatement. I was just "spit-balling" when I mentioned Bowe and Tucker. At the time this fight came to fruition I believed a stronger opponent for Moorer could have been found. Of course, what did I know? George shocked the world!

+jasona9 Lol yeah I think I just kinda feel slightly bad for Moorer so I have to give him a little credit. The Heavyweight division was in a weird spot after Tyson went to jail so some funky stuff went down, all the belts were spread apart, etc.

He did set a trap. Lull moorer to sleep and make him comfy lol...then put his ass to sleep !!

Very unsure Wayne don't turn his back

I was waiting for this fight since it was announced. I was telling my dad the whole time that Moorer was tailor made for Foreman because he had no chin. Sooner or later George was going to hit that chin and it would be lights out.

he also KO Ron Lyle and Ken norton

If he'd never lost to Ali he'd never have become the Foreman that knocked out Moore at 46

Moorer *

Meaning what? That he did not dominate the whole fight and got caught? Because that is what happened.

dbreiden83080 Meaning he wasn't using the square circle in a thoughtful strategic way...he let Big George make him stand in front of him...and Bang Bang, One Two, out go the lights.

Standing in front he largely whipped his ass. Put yourself in his place. You are winning huge for 10 rounds and get caught. I get why Michael feels the way he does. He is not wrong..

Sorry but I disagree...I guess we view the fight differently, but the scoreboard only supports one of our views.

met him once....shook his hand......biggest hands I've ever seen. Fists like Christmas Hams

amensupremera Oh I'm sure. What a cool experience by the way. Cheers.

Iron Mike You can go to his church any Sunday, I did. It was pretty incredible. He came up to me and shook my hand, as he didnt recognize me. I have trouble finding winter gloves that fit, but he probably could have wrapped his hand around mine

Iron Mike all true, but I think Foreman may have beaten Ali the second time around. Ali was very smart, but he would have had to come up with a different game plan the second time to bring down big George again.

agreed, No way he falls for that nonsense a second time. But, in the end, losing that fight made him the great man he is today.

+natagaima 20 YEARS IT TOOK TO LEARN THAT LESSON AND RICHLY EARNED THAT TITLE THAT NIGHT IN NOVEMBER 1994!!!!

Dreia yeah Ali was sttuborn, stood in front of him, and later in life felt the consequnces.

@@johnnguyen270 yup, it doesn't matter how long it took for him to learn it , he learned it well, and the price was worth the wait

@@azteka6103 i would say ali got the worst consequences from earnie shavers. Those punches were lethal. Ali also had a chin of granite.

Jesus. It looks so casual.

Agree

Didn’t have the speed of 70’s Foreman(obviously),but man the power was still there, that’s scary power right there, from that distance, to be able to KO a man. Wow

I agree. Foreman was always very good at learning from mistakes.

Graham Strouse So was Ali.

Ali probobly would have still won because George was too slow.

+Pablo Sabado Ali's strategy had nothing to do with speed. Rope a dope is a one time thing.

+Mike Killagreen he was avoiding all of Foreman's shots while tiring him out. There was speed.

+Cefcecdfs No one is worse than Larry Merchant. Just another member of the tribe talking their way into something they know nothing about.

+SeanP7195 Let's be fair dude, they were just saying what everyone thought. Before the knockout punch, Foreman hadn't landed any truly significant blows, and even when he landed the straight right, it looked like he was pushing the punch rather than throwing it and it landed with minimal force; while strong, it was like a car backing slowly into somebody as opposed to speeding into them. And while Merchant has his moments of unprofessionalism, you can't say he knows nothing about boxing. He's been commentating on boxing solely since 1978 and for 20 years before that he was an overall sports analyst and newspaper reporter. In that long span of time, even an idiot would have a wealth of boxing knowledge.

JackMcCabe 76ers, he was. I had to rewatch it . . .

feckyoo2 same here. at the time I never thought the punch had any power behind it. heating it mic'd up though, damn. the impact was thudding.

hearing****

Yeah, the first one two stunned him, you could tell even watching it live. The second fucked him up!

feckyoo2 George broke Moore's mouthpiece and busted his lip open with that last punch.

No he could have won by showing George respect. You don't run from any old 45 year old... you out box one of the greatest power punchers to ever live when he didn't have his legs to cut the ring off... That would have been a win. Or if you are as much of a man as you think your are... you Stand and trade and win that way... Moore was unwilling to do the former, even as his corner screamed for him too. As we all know he was just plain incapable of doing latter. Thing is... You do almost still have a point until you take into account that the first thing George said about him after the knock out was how much power he had... how hard he punched and well he had boxed. George in victory extended not just grace and acknowledgement of Moorer's talents... but extended a covering of respect as one of the most liked Champs ever... And what did Moorer do with that covering? Piss it away as an arrogant cunt who said George was just lucky... Moorer proved himself to be the less of the two mentally... and when it comes right the fuck down to it... that is were you win boxing matches. What did Moore do...

@Mikaeel Naseer Foreman just looked so slow and plodding against Morrison, like he was half asleep the entire fight. I think he was expecting a short slugfest with Tommy. Morrison had obviously watched Foreman fight and was smart enough to realize that the only way to beat Foreman was to stick and jab the entire fight. Morrison had enough respect for Foreman's power and the humility to know not to go toe to toe.

Poor Michael... Boo Frickity Hoo

​@@ArkAngelHFBGamesMoore still has nothing to be ashamed of bro. And he was a monster at Light Heavy

Sometimes it's not about power of the punch (although it always helps), it's about the where the punch lands on the opponent.

Joyce is exactly same. Wish he had big George's guard manipulation skills because then Tyson vs Joyce would be greatest heavy weight fight in decades

maybe if the fighter is swinging for the fences like a lunatic i can see that being a lucky punch, but throwing a jab and setting yourself up for a big shot, how in gods name is that luck. No logic in that way of thinking, and shows you the intelligence in boxing by the people that would even entertain that notion.

A lucky punch just means a blind punch the opponent never even saw.

Michael Tomson I quite agree. What are you supposed to do in boxing? Punch the opponent, if you do, how is it lucky to do something you are supposed to do in the 1st place?

Spinks was, prior to Moorer, the first guy to win the heavyweight title after becoming light heavyweight champion, and he did it by picking his spots very, very carefully in how he fought big heavyweights. A lot of hardcore fight fans still hate the way Spinks won the title, which was not by going out and taking it, proving himself the superior fighter in a grand conquest, but by fighting ultra carefully against Larry Holmes and concentrating on not giving any openings to Holmes. And then he did the same in a rematch, and used a similar cerebral style when he fought afterward. Spinks knew there were ways for a smaller man to be effective against heavyweights, but it required fighting and training in the right style, and using it in the right ways against the right opponents. Until the last fight of his career, against Mike Tyson, who was too fast for Spinks to get away from, and then Spinks went out in 90 seconds.

thewandering01 OK, I watched both Holmes v Spinx fights, and Michael Spinks did not win either one of them.. Like you said, a champion has to have the title wrestled away from him, and Spinks just did not do that.. The powers that be were never gonna let Larry Holmes stand with Marciano..

roo7227 Spinks won the first one. Holmes won the second.

Brooklyn Styles Thanks ,but I'm not a nigga ,I'm green Irish ,lol ,George fought a great fight and was a better boxer when he made his comeback . He learned from his bout with Ali and pulled off a great feat.

Yeah ,I got my grammar wrong, I had a few to many tokes lol , But hey we all get our grammar wrong at times . Thumbs up for you too .

Marra 66 nigga dis shit 500 years ago u think they still care

Jay Vb Actually it was 22 Yrs ago when George made History and people will talk about his great feat for the next 500 Years .