Isn't it interesting how every temporary party member in Xenoblade 1 TECHNICALLY ends up being an antagonist

16:33 “I'll Survive” This is the cruelest joke Monolith Soft have ever pulled

id kill to play as Alvis

In the flashback to Eunie's past life where she was killed by D, she is a sharpshooter, the same class as Mwamba

When I first played Xenoblade 2, I did not even think twice about Vandham not resonating with blades. Because we already had Tora. And while they have different reasons as to why that’s the case, I also just assumed that Vandham would be restricted to story blades or something.

Fun fact about Na'el: If you use a save editor to switch to and play as her in the post game of Future Redeemed, she's actually more functional than in the flashback fight, as you can actually fuse her arts! She also has an unused chain attack start line, which does play if you start a chain attack as her.

N joining the party as an NPC for the final battle is what I wanted from Jin from the Infernal Guldo phase 2 and Amalthus boss fights

So interesting tidbits about Jin in Xenoblade Chronicles 2. The Jin you get in the beginning of the game as a party member and the Jin in Morytha are considered different party members in the game's code, literally just so they can be different levels for when they join. Jin has a fourth art that you can never equip. If you stay at an inn and use bonus exp to level Jin up in the very beginning, his line is from his Japanese actor. And since there's no water in Morytha during Jin's swimming animation, he sticks out of the water at 45%. Also, despite never having a chance to use them, both Malos and Jin have favorite pouch items in the code.

Homs Fiora is such a fun character, and the Shulk-Reyn-Homs Fiora party is actually better than the later Shulk-Reyn-Sharla party, especially for Chain Attacks. Definitive Edition does have add one MAJOR death flag for her, not seen in the original: Her number of available outfits being far smaller than that of Shulk and Reyn. I also noticed that she shares some post-battle quotes with Mecha Fiora, obviously alluding to the latter struggling with fatigue due to her malfunctioning body.

Fun fact, A in Future Redeemed actually gets Alvis' Cross Ray and Lost Ray arts, which is a neat attention to detail

That Lost Ray scream from Blake Ritson is timed immaculately with the animation

That scream Alvis does after saying Lost Ray is hilarious Edit: Ayy that P4 reference was nice

RIP Mwamba

Someone tried to beat every tyrant with Xenoblade x spoilers temporarily party members and he is actually strong (even if I was more comfortable playing Boze)

A certain event in chapter 15 had us all thinking Shulk boutta be a temporary party member 💀

As someone who has Na'el in their top 3 Xenoblade characters (I just heavily relate to her nihilistic view), I was so happy when the flashbacks teased that she would potentially join the party (Meaning she would be playable.) Then the battle against N confirmed my hopes that my favorite character WOULD be playable...only for that to be a lie and my dreams were snatched from me. That is genuinely the most mean thing a game has ever done to me.

They serve their purpose in their respective games, but they still somehow seem like wasted potential. That potential can be realized in one of two ways: 1. A Warriors game that people seem to support (few going against this) 2. A Fighting game I don't mind a Warriors entry which is more likely between the two, but I'm going will option 2 and am willing to put in the work.

I still think it’s dumb how Linka and Panacaea aren’t hero units since the story shows that they’re with you for the entire journey once you meet up with them and they even play a significant role in the future redeemed story. Not enough to warrant being a full party member like Na’el should have been but still fairly important

I'm surprised you didn't talk about Jin's Arts being different in the Challenge Battles.

13:12 Who knows, with the added info from the newest art book claiming Malos survived, maybe he will be in the future

every time i watch a xenoblade video, i'm just like "damn, I really want to replay this whole series again" but yeah i also find it so interesting looking at what you can do with temporary characters too, it's fascinating to see how much effort was put into them or just anything that's temporary in general

Great video, I’ve always been amazed by the detail in these characters. Also, good job on making it spoiler free!

they should've allowed vandam to resonate with cores. i already knew from the get go that he was going to die to do the whole mentor death trope. it was pretty obvious thanks to him not being able to resonate. after his death they could just refund you the cores(as all his blades turn back into them).

EAT DIS THUNDABOLT Edit: so interestingly lao is is a unique case in terms of his class. He does not give a signature class art to teach the player but to make up for it, his rifle arts are _substantially_ stronger by default, a sign he is a boss

Not being able to use N in the final battle is a shame. Such a huge missed opportunity :( I was so exited when he jumped in but nope...

Man I agree with you, what they did to malos os absolutely criminal

Long time no see Max ! Nice to see you again !

As a long time Xenoblade fan, I love the effort in this

The funny thing about Jin is that despite being playable during a section where you are canonically trapped in morytha, you can still fast travel out while he's playable and go do side quests with him. There isn't much purpose but it is funny to play as him while doing random bullshit.

excellent video!!!!!! xenoblade is the GOAT

Fun Fact: Dickson use the Same Fighting Idle Animation like Monado Dunban (that's the Reason why Dickson has Animations for Jumping, falling and Swimming) Mumkhar and Alvis has no Animations and with the help of some glitches in DE you can actually get the Fighting Arts from the Guest Characters to your normal Party Members, but they are very weak actually 😅

3:35 Yes. Also, the Prologue Dunban-Monado is kind of cool in itself because it has pretty high defences AND can damage Face Mechon. The later Dunban-Monado in Colony 9 sadly loses all of its special traits besides being able to damage Face Mechon. Also er, Mumkhar's claws have a description despite it being impossible to open his menu. 3:50 Ok, I am washed. Is this only a thing in DE or was the Wiki wrong again? I don't have much experience in NG+ myself and the wiki specifically states that these assets(Unique art icon, art descriptions and voicelines) are unused by virtue of there *not* being any chain attacking in this fight. 4:55 "Thunder Bolt" is the japanese name of the art, they just did an oopsie(Not the first time, several quotes are just wrong or set incorrectly). It btw never made sense to me that the other art is called "heal bolt", but it is a water ether-art. And that's not like a localization error or anything, it is also called heal bolt in japanese. 13:10 Well, there is kind of a thing. Malos is locked out of Chain attacks like Jin for some reason, despite having blade specials. He is not locked out of blade combos tho, if you edit him into your party after he leaves he gives you the opportunity to command him to use a special just as usual. Oh and...his Blade is actually unique, it is not the same dude you can pull as NG+. They didn't even try to hide it, you can equip your own version in chapter 1 no problem. His weapontype is also destinct for no reason. 15:35 Also known as the only class that has a weapontype in 3 that actually uses the ether auto attack-type. Yeah, everyone else is for some reason physical on auto attacks. FR iirc makes more sense for this and properly used that damage type.(not that it matters too much because auto attacks are kinda filler-damage, but it is just a note to be made)

Great video, but I'd like to make an addendum. Mikhail, Patroka, Akhos and the Blades from Torna weren't added in as part of the DLC, but as part of the NG+ update, which was free for everyone.

I've never hit 'subscribe' so fast in my life!

I love temporary party members. They’re some of my favorite party members in rpgs

I didn't develop a single shred of emotion for Vandam in 2. I laughed throughout his death scene

Guess we'll see if they get a chance in your Xenoblade Warriors/ Heroes

I wish they could at least make them playable in NG+ like making them permanent members when requirements are fulfilled like making all the traitors and others who eventually dies not leaving your team after betraying you or dying in the story plot just making them not appearing in cutscenes anymore like I would like to use Malos and Jin against themselves when rescuing Pyra and Mythra but nothing changes in the cutscenes, and allowing Malos and Vandam using other blades than their default ones and also at least make Na’el playable in future redeemed dlc and make other heroes in Xbc3 playable as well, and I also wish that Consul M and Consul N skins would at least gives some of their abilities for Mio and Noah once equipped with their armours and make them fight like the consuls

I can't remember for sure on Wii since the last time I played it was... A long time ago (when the world was an endless sea), but I'm pretty sure on the 3DS version it was possible to play as Dickson after the Ether mines and as Alvis. Also, couldn't you use Dickson's arts in the tutorial battle at the battle of Sword Valley? Just wondering since you didn't show it

yes jin, falling down a pit is "very funny"

4:56 I always thought it was Dunban saying this line !!!! And that it was a like he said only in the first battle when he had Monado!!! (Since I play Xenoblade in french with English VA, i'm less attentive to what the characters are saying during battle and is less attentive about the arts name (that are translated in french))

Good idea the Xenoblade chronicles warriors.

Why na ' el keep getting me game over on hard and up

All the people saying they played alvis or dickson probably experiencing the mandela effect, you cannot put them in the lead, period. There’s no glitch that does it either, what they probably do remember is that you can still start a chain attack with those characters or warn them of a vision, both of which let you take a look at their arts and use one of them yourself.

Juju joins the party as a guest in the first part of Satoral Marsh. And you forgot to put him in the video! Unforgivable.

Jin in Chapter 1 and Jin in Morytha are also different party members. (Like Fiora)

13:20 ...You sure about that, Vandham? I can think of a couple others...

The reason that Alvis sucks in the fight against the Telethia is because it is meant to be a tutorial for the newly unlocked Monado Purge, which is why when Alvis encourages Shulk in the fight, Shulk gains 100% of his talent art gauge refilled.

Ok so here's the things, idk if it was a glitch or what, but there was one time when I was 10 or 11 years old playing Xenoblade 1 on my Wii where I was actually able to play as Alvis in the Telethia fight. I paid no mind to it because I thought that was normal until I realized upon replaying it over and over that I couldn't play as Alvis anymore. I just remember he had those two red arts and his Talent Art. He wasn't very good, but I wonder why I was able to play as him the one time

I completely forgot about Mwamba's existence and had also suppressed the fact that he was part of the group.

Would be AMAZING if this coming nintendo direct reveales Xenoblade Warriors

I think temporary party members are done to make the game less formulaic, but then they're also separated from "real" party members really clearly, and all the regular party members are still railroaded along the main story often times so it's not really done well imo. I'd have loved a temporary party member that feels just like a regular one but betrays you all the same. Imagine if zeke betrayed you in tantal, something like that

The reason Na'el can't be played is probably because she reuses the Hero role from the base game, and it's probably hard or impossible to change the code of the game to allow control of her. Or would take too much time just for 1 boss and post game that the devs didn't wanna, lol.

I feel like I remember being able to play has alvis

thanks for xenoblade x spoiler

I need a Xenoblade warriors

Wait... I remember when I played on my wii that you could play as alvis. I hope it just changed when they made the de

Technically you could say Consul N joins you for like half a fight at the end of Chapter 5, if I dont' misremember the timing with which the body swap happens. Of course you're not gonna know it while playing and nothing changes from Mio, but still

It's crazy how many godlike beings are in this list...

I really wanted na,el to be playble

At least Alvis got their time to shine in FR. Made me so happy

Vandham having a ng+ skill tree means i fought the gormotr ardun soooo many times

The final character is even worse, as the way the alter chain attacks means your incentivized to skip getting them entirely for the secret boss.

it’s really weird how mwamba is at level 89 when starting ng+?? is that because he got revived in chapter 6? even though he never joins the party and we only fight against him, if someone knows why then please let me know

nice video, but wouldn't ethel also count?

Alvis, despite being a literal god, SUCKS AT BATTLING

On the 3ds I was able to play as Dickson I'm a positive that I did I even thought he was a party member at first, please if you have played as Dickson on the 3ds please leave a comment saying if you have

Don’t care what everyone say Mamba deserves better. Like you can’t put him in the beginning of the game and get his bone snap. Really mad in later side quest he have no line

Nael should've been temporary.

I hate Na'el as a party member for the sole reason, that she makes your chain attacks unreliable and thus a lot worse. If you could at least turn her off it would be fine...

Please xenoblade warriors for tomorrow

Mwamba should have been playable just because

Can you leave Morytha with Jin in Party?

Interesting fact you could play as both Dickson and Alvis on the Wii version of xenoblade chronicles. They both were awful having only two arts and I believe their talent arts also being extremely underwhelming.