8's birth was the Doctor returning to optimism and idealism after 7's chessmaster and 'greater good' phase... The universe then proceeded to grind that optimism into a fine powder and make him suffer for his idealism, again and again and again. His death was easily one of, if not THE most despairing regenerations of the Doctor's entire existence. Renouncing his name, his purpose and his hope. 8 was a good man. But he was born into a era that had no place for good men.

@@JamesTobiasStewartDude needs a hug, he only wanted to be someone that people could count on, but the universe said no to that. 😭

@@windghost2 Oh absolutely. He needs one and after all the shit he went through, he more than deserves it.

Then he became John Hurt

They are actors.

Such a painfully true statement.

tearing up in the club right now… well said :, )

Oh god yes.

Damn. yeah. 2 years ago me has no idea what’s coming and would be horrified if I told her. Obviously not to the same level as the doctor in any way but the sentiment is very similar.

Bullllllllll shhhhhiiiit

There's a similar moment in All Flesh is Grass. Time Lord Victorious might have been a pain to gather together, but there's some real deep stuff in there.

Oh yes@@RichieTheTotodile pain is usually more revealing than happiness. David

That's perfectly said.

Wasn't 7 a bastard? Like he was good at getting people to kill themselves kinda evil.

I legit love this line so much. So cool to hear 10 acknowledge the death of 8. Wish more doctors would talk about their past deaths more often it's really never brought up much.

Oh, it's both. Even a ref to the EDA The Bodysnatchers in the Lucie Miller audios and the purple Volkswagen Beetle turning up in Dark Eyes (along with The Company of Friends and Fitz being name dropped in the 10th Doctor Titan Comics series) outright confirms they all happened

@@SuperWolsey Exactly. Time is messy.

@@misterblueskyyy with Ace in recent years it's messier.

@@SuperWolsey tbh it’s weird since aren’t a lot of those novels wiped from history anyway

12 had his fair share as well

I mean you can do that with TV.

@@marsbar31000lol true

I wouldn’t start saying any of them are better than the other, they’re just really different.

@@marsbar31000the tv show doesn’t often describe the visuals to you though (unless you’re watching the Chibnall era. I heard something about him having written his episodes to accommodate viewers looking at their phones).

@@EditedAF987 That just means you'd need more imagination.

he doesn’t hide his natural accent as much in these compared with when he’s being filled so his Scottish blood shines through 😎

As council of geeks said, bi generation sounds like a bad idea on paper but it was done so well that it’s actually great

@@hopekeeley2122 Agreed. They were based for that.

I'm convinced you're 1000% wrong. Wanna bet on it?

Highly doubt it. It'll have nowt to do with TLV, it's all a new story with the Toymaker

@@HCProds1 Maybe it has a connection to the Doom's Day event, though.

​​​@@timrob12i don't think so the doomsday event was with rose tyler no with donna noble yes her daughter will be name rose but that can be a residual memories or echoes of her old and erased memory when they do the metacrisis of a human and a time a lord

@@kr3227 I meant the current Doom's Day multi-platform event.

not in this story

@@Schrobich does that mean they actually meet? sorry to bother with the question but I can't find info about it anywhere oddly enough

@@bugy_sponge they do meet in the novel _Time Lord Victorious: All Flesh is Grass_ - and the 9th Doctor is there as well.

@@bugy_sponge idk if any stories currently exist where they do but they always could in the future. the key thing is that when the Doctor meets once of his future selves, he can't remember the events after he leaves his future selves' timestream. after the 10th Doctor left the 11th Doctor in the gallery after Day of the Doctor, he didn't remember meeting his future self at all. similarly, 11th Doctor doesn't remember meeting the Curator because that's a future incarnation of himself. so there's always room for more stories. novels or audios are entirely possible where 8 and 10 can meet without it breaking canon or anything.

But the 7th knows what the 8th looks like (it's in the fandom time theory one of them)

You mean, Night of the Doctor.

If only her acting wasn't so shite

I'd prefer it if we just all collectively forgot about the "not Doctor".

@@mikebliss3153 I liked Jo Martin's performance

@@MrSamMaloney That makes one of us.

@@mikebliss3153 That's the beautiful thing about fandom we can all have different views and get along. :)

That’s just bad writing. she didn’t give a single shit about gallifrey getting destroyed again and half the universe getting wiped out

@@TheGeoXWar There's always that one nuWho fan with a hot take. 13 felt like a classic Doctor in all the best ways.

@@ajzn97 that’s not a hot take. It’s literally what happened.

@@TheGeoXWar Nah, nuWho fans are very selective and only talk from what they little know about DW (5 or 6 years of a 60 year old show) in general.

@@ajzn97 that’s normal, why do you expect people to know everything about a 60 year old show? even for classic who standards, 13 is poorly written.

Oh man, Big Finish has Sooo many episodes. Get on that!

Oh there are many many many many many audio dramas with many of the doctors

There's tonnes of them.

From what I've seen from other fans, 8s whole deal was that he was desperately trying to be the doctor in a universe that didnt really value him anymore. The time war was in full swing and he kept failing to save people. Eventually he came to the conclusion that the universe needed a warrior more than a doctor and he would basically force himself to regenerate into a version of himself that was more willing to fight on the battlefield

He’s referring to the events of Time Lord Victorious and the Time War

@@ollieeyre3983 so the creature down on that planet, how does the 8th doctor going to it mean that it'll spiral into the time war? Like in terms of Point A to Point B

⁠@@hopelessgamer2538he still tried until his death, he was kept alive by the Sisters of Karn to enable him to choose his new form rather than randomly …he chose a warrior and got the War Doctor

@@Hello-Studentsit doesn’t. It’s just that TLV happens shortly before the Time War begins. Well, I say begin. From the 8th Doctor’s perspective it just randomly appeared one day and overwrote the adventure he was on. One minute, he and his companion Sheena were investigating a nefarious plot on a luxury cruise liner, the next, the cruise liner became a refugee ship fleeing from the Daleks, Sheena had been erased from history, and the Time War had suddenly been happening for a while.

It's a Big Finish

From the 8th Doctor’s perspective, this happens a short while before the Time War began. From the 10th Doctor’s perspective, this is happening shortly after the Waters of Mars (as well as the rest of the Time Lord Victorious multi-media event).

Fuck yeah...that would be awesome

This is woke fanservice.

How...how is it woke fanservice...this is legit better than anything we have had since the 12th doctor regenerated

@@BlueMoon56832 What about Power of the Doctor.

Nope...13s entire run was garbage writing...only good bits were where the older doctors return, i mean...they literally destroyed galafrey again... and fucked up the doctors entire origin story

He’s being reminded of how happy and carefree he used to be before his life got ruined by the time war. I think he has a right to be a little dramatic in this instance.

CBBC Doom

Why are people still so mad about Doom's Day? It's literally just some stories.

Get a life and/or acknowledge that Doctor Who was always political. This is in line with a lot of Davies first run

Oh, Doctor Who was never political? Someone go back to the 60s and tell the BBC that, so they can avoid making the Daleks obvious Nazis, and the Cybermen communists. Next you'll tell me Starship Troopers is just a fun romp about shooting bugs and seeing a few tits.

@@NoobixCube to be fair, the Cybermen weren't communists, that's a later interpretation. The anxiety there was cybernetic replacements and surgery gone wild. But there's the entirety of the UNIT era to point to, as well, where many of the episodes are thinly veiled political allegories, sometimes not even veiled at all. Or the 80s, where villains were often Margaret Thatcher, other reactionary forces, or actual straight up Nazis.

Bad writing more like

The thing is that they can’t talk like they would on TV, because their voice is their only asset in audio. If they’re not speaking clearly, then the listener can’t follow what’s happening (the Committee/Cyberplanner from Spare Parts, for instance).

Gotta find something to whinge about, huh?

I honestly don't know what you mean.

Well... That's because it is an audio story

you're not intelligent

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Why cry

Cap, This is amazing

bye then lol

The expanded media is not representative of the tv show. They only get weirder and more referential because they know that most of the people buying these audios are the hardcore nerds.

No one cares, mate.

Really? A decade? You miss the Capaldi era.

Awwww boohoo.