The THING - The Origin of Ben Grimm

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MerryMarvelite

MerryMarvelite

5 ай бұрын

History of the Marvel Universe No. 250
The Origin of Ben Grimm, The Thing
Sources:
Ben Grimm's Childhood
‣ Thing 001 (1983)
‣ Fantastic Four 355 (1991)
‣ Infinity Crusade 002 (1993)
‣ Fantastic Four 056 (2002)
‣ Thing 001 (2006)
Aunt Petunia
‣ Fantastic Four 238-239 (1982)
The College Years
‣ Fantastic Four 011 (1963)
‣ Fantastic Four Annual 002 (1964)
‣ Thing 001-002 (1983)
‣ Fantastic Four 581-582 (2010)
‣ Fantastic Four 004 (2013)
‣ Fantastic Four 009 (2013)
‣ Infamous Iron Man 006 (2017)
‣ Marvel Two-In-One 002 (2018)
The Alien Invader
‣ Amazing Adult Fantasy 007 (1961)
‣ Marvel Lost Generation 011 (2000)
Ben Grimm in WWII
‣ Fantastic Four 011 (1963)
‣ Marvel Two-In-One 077 (1981)
The Siancong Retcon
‣ History of the Marvel Universe 002 (2019)
Test Pilot Career & Other Military Operations
‣ Fantastic Four 193 (1978)
‣ Wolverine Minus 1 (1997)
‣ Before the Fantastic Four: Ben Grimm and Logan (2000)
The Birth of the Fantastic Four
‣ Fantastic Four 001 (1961)
‣ Fantastic Four 003 (1962)
‣ Fantastic Four 011 (1963)
‣ Thing 001 (1983)
‣ Thing 010 (1984)
‣ Fantastic Four 050 (2002)
‣ Fantastic Four: First Family 001-002 (2006)
‣ Fantastic Four 005 (2019)
‣ Fantastic Four 014 (2019)
‣ Fantastic Four 035 (2021)
Shifting Forms
‣ Fantastic Four 004 (1962)
‣ Marvel Two-In-One 050 (1979)
Doctor Doom
‣ Fantastic Four 005 (1962)
Other Adventures
‣ Fantastic Four 025 (1964)
‣ Fantastic Four 170 (1976)
‣ Marvel Two-In-One 051 (1979)
‣ Marvel Two-In-One 053 (1979)
‣ Marvel Super Heroes: Secret Wars 012 (1985)
‣ Thing 028 (1985)
‣ Fantastic Four 310 (1988)
‣ Fantastic Four 056 (2002)
‣ Fantastic Four 511 (2004)
‣ Thing 006 (2006)
‣ New Avengers 001 (2010)
‣ Fantastic Four 001 (2018)
‣ Fantastic Four 005 (2019)
‣ Empyre Fallout: Fantastic Four (2020)
Additional information from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe.
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@MerryMarvelite
@MerryMarvelite 5 ай бұрын
Hey, heroes! I'm streaming on Twitch again this weekend! On Saturday I'm continuing my very first playthrough of Final Fantasy II, then on Sunday, I'll be playing more Yakuza Kiwami! www.twitch.tv/merrymarvelite
@tonysmith9005
@tonysmith9005 5 ай бұрын
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@leonacont6150
@leonacont6150 5 ай бұрын
I think your channel is amazing.
@tonysmith9005
@tonysmith9005 5 ай бұрын
Tell me about yourself please
@ReginaldTate-le6fe
@ReginaldTate-le6fe 5 ай бұрын
Could you PLEASE DO the Origin & History of the Invisible Woman for me okay @MerryMarvelite.
@yermatedave4930
@yermatedave4930 5 ай бұрын
The very quintessential Marvel hero. No other character embodies the Marvel breed of superheroes as much as Aunt Petunia's favorite blue-eyed boy
@kylecarter1599
@kylecarter1599 5 ай бұрын
Except the guy the literally put on their checks and masthead, Spider-Man.
@EVGriffinJr
@EVGriffinJr 5 ай бұрын
Ben Grimm often gets overlooked. Everyone talks about Spider-Man, and understandably, so as he’s actually my favorite marvel hero. But Ben Grimm actually fits the mold as well. Perhaps more so.
@gevdarg
@gevdarg 5 ай бұрын
Him and Spidey.
@treek10k
@treek10k 3 ай бұрын
Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.
@kylecarter1599
@kylecarter1599 3 ай бұрын
@@treek10k pass whatever you're smoking this way
@Lcky-gu2gi
@Lcky-gu2gi 2 ай бұрын
As a person suffering from Psoriasis Ben Grimm is an inspirational for me he's someone I can relate too Win Lose or Draw the Thing will always be one of my favorites
@user-pm6nx1fs2w
@user-pm6nx1fs2w 13 күн бұрын
How the f*** does that relate anything to this
@Lcky-gu2gi
@Lcky-gu2gi 13 күн бұрын
@@user-pm6nx1fs2w psoriasis is a skin condition that has no cure same thing as the Thing he cant transform back to his normal skin
@Jspore-ip5rk
@Jspore-ip5rk 4 ай бұрын
One of the most underrated character in history in my opinion. His dialogue, strength, power and mental fortitude have been far too overlooked.
@benjaminfeld6388
@benjaminfeld6388 5 ай бұрын
You know, the Thing has always been one of my personal favorite superheroes ever since I was a kid, and not just because he was a part of the Fan 4. I always loved his big heart, is tough guy personality, his love for a good fight, and of course is incredible loyalty to his friends, family, and teammates. He may look like a monster, but Benjamin J Grimm is a hero through and through.
@jalenikezeue4114
@jalenikezeue4114 4 ай бұрын
At one point in the Comics Ben got approached by a group of Teenagers even there female teacher was a Fan of his and she kiss him
@treek10k
@treek10k 3 ай бұрын
Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.
@EVGriffinJr
@EVGriffinJr 5 ай бұрын
People often talk about characters like Spider-Man as the quintessential Marvel hero. And he is. The Thing, however, gets overlooked. As he’s very much in the mold of a marvel comics hero as much as Spidey himself. Some would argue more so because he went through way more tragedy! Especially in the younger years! Thanks for this video!
@treek10k
@treek10k 3 ай бұрын
Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.
@frankieseward8667
@frankieseward8667 Ай бұрын
I wpuld kill for a show with Spider-Man, Beast, The Thing, Nova, and Iceman as main characters. Imagine the hilarity
@richards.monroe8668
@richards.monroe8668 5 ай бұрын
He may have transformed into a hulking creature with orange rocky skin, but Ben Grimm has a good heart and his catchphrase is truly legendary. I always have a thing for the Fantastic Four, Marvel's first super-powered family...and the ones who started the Marvel Age of Heroes.
@treek10k
@treek10k 3 ай бұрын
Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.
@Lukeinashland
@Lukeinashland 5 ай бұрын
Ben has been one of my favorite comic characters since I began reading comics back in the 70's. One of the strongest guys on the planet completely loyal to his friends and family and smart enough to be an Air Force test pilot which many people forget about.
@baldigang7034
@baldigang7034 5 ай бұрын
I love Ben. Best Marvel hero, ever!!!
@snoopy4749
@snoopy4749 5 ай бұрын
One of my all time favorite Marvel characters, The Thing is a true Marvel Legend
@joeldeeter9798
@joeldeeter9798 5 ай бұрын
The Thing is my Fav Hero of all time :)
@Artisan1979
@Artisan1979 5 ай бұрын
18:35 But not before Ben had attempted to quit the fantastic four while stuck in the past, opting to embrace the role of Blackbeard because the pirate crew cheered him on. Further, he uncharacteristically had the crew tie Reed and Johnny up and send them away from the ship on a lifeboat with the chest. This happened at the same time that's a storm brewed and sink the ship, and Ben later apologized for his actions.
@treek10k
@treek10k 3 ай бұрын
Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.
@sergioruiz733
@sergioruiz733 5 ай бұрын
What I love about Ben Grimm is that its essentiallly Jewish Golem meets down to Earth New Yorker. That despite the changes made to him Ben tries to live a life and enjoy the things he did before his change. Its why I think everyone can relate to Ben on some level. Even with his powers he would much rather be spending the day with his best gal Alicia and genuinely be there for his family and friends, be an Uncle to Valeria and Franklin and just make the best of life despite what has happened to him. Its why he was such an inspiration to me as a kid, because despite what life threw at him, he decided he wasn't going to let the universe dictate how his life was going to go. He would still love watching the game on the couch with a big sandwich, reading ghost stories, (which I love how this is a thing throughout his comic history 😂), playing poker with the other heroes in the marvel universe and being there for friends and family. To most Peter Parker was inspirational to people around me as a kid because of great power is great responsibility, but Ben Grimm to me equates to: No matter what life throws at you, don't let it change who and what you are and stop you from living a life and cherishing those around you. I love Ben Grimm ❤.
@christopherulichney
@christopherulichney 5 ай бұрын
Thanks to all the retcons Ben Grimm's life pre-Thing has become almost as interesting as his life after his transformation. Now that you have cracked the seal on the Fantastic Four, you know your going to have to cover them all. So let me request a video on Susan Storm,, the Invisible Woman. In my opinion the most interesting of the FF. As always, MAKE MINE THE MERRY MARVELITE!!!!
@ReginaldTate-le6fe
@ReginaldTate-le6fe 5 ай бұрын
Make Mine too as well okay @christopherulichney.
@vincentfranklin17
@vincentfranklin17 5 ай бұрын
The ever-lovin', blue-eyed boy from Yancy Street! Love the FF, but Ben is my favorite member!
@user-wk8ft7eo9u
@user-wk8ft7eo9u 4 ай бұрын
In college, Ben also earned several degrees in engineering, which later helped in assisting in Reed's later projects on The FF.
@decepticonsforever
@decepticonsforever 5 ай бұрын
This is how the movie should go for their debut. Ben and Doom should be the focal point of the story because their transformation is supposed to be a tragic event, Doom going completely to the dark side, though.
@GuyWebz
@GuyWebz 5 ай бұрын
Thing is one of my all time favorite Marvel characters
@MatD1979
@MatD1979 5 ай бұрын
Your channel is great. I love how you capture classic comics.
@abc_cba
@abc_cba 5 ай бұрын
I wish if he could revert to his form like Hulk does. I always felt bad for the Thing.
@tbcat2001
@tbcat2001 5 ай бұрын
He can revert a day every year now! Thanks to the future foundation
@robboyte1101
@robboyte1101 5 ай бұрын
I agree that Ben's time with Project Pegasus is too extensive to recount here. But, I will suggest that the Project be the topic for a future video. There's a lot there to relate, as it's involved in many areas of the Marvel Universe.
@bladesolar1
@bladesolar1 5 ай бұрын
Love the Blue Eyes Thing. It's clobbering time!!!! I wonder if they ever showed his auntie Pteunia
@channeljunirave
@channeljunirave 5 ай бұрын
Yea they actually did!
@JusticeOutlaw
@JusticeOutlaw 5 ай бұрын
A classic hero, The Fantastic four the first superhero family Thing is my favorite member of this team and glad he still going today thanks for covering him Merry
@oliverortiz8507
@oliverortiz8507 5 ай бұрын
My favorite hero.
@Artisan1979
@Artisan1979 5 ай бұрын
22:12 You left out the part where Valeria and the future foundation developed a formula for Ben to allow him to become human one week per year. His family giving back to him.
@TeresaCabreraAliaga
@TeresaCabreraAliaga 2 ай бұрын
What's the name of that comic.
@Artisan1979
@Artisan1979 2 ай бұрын
@@TeresaCabreraAliaga I don't remember the exact name of the comic, but it was during the Jonathan Hickman, run of the fantastic four
@trexadvent4726
@trexadvent4726 5 ай бұрын
What do you think is the best thing about Ben Grimm the Thing compared to the other members of the Fantastic Four? Which one of his powers and abilities do you think is the best?
@NieR.Amanda
@NieR.Amanda 5 ай бұрын
His ability to push aside all his fears and worries and dive into the thick of things. The rest of the team seem to have some of the same ability, but with Ben it just seems to be turned up to eleven.
@quentinfogger5755
@quentinfogger5755 5 ай бұрын
Who could believe that Ben Grimm the Thing ended up with Alicia Masters who's blind but can sense his feelings also in the 2005 Fantastic Four movie, Alicia Masters isn't blind but for some reason she likes Ben in his rocky form? What would have happened if Ben didn't reject his second girlfriend? It's shocking that she's related to Puppet_Master. Can you do history of Puppet_Master?
@scr0ngle108
@scr0ngle108 5 ай бұрын
She IS blind in the 05 movie though
@brotherkellymatthewbarnes8882
@brotherkellymatthewbarnes8882 5 ай бұрын
*"THING RING DO YOUR THING!" - Benjy Grimm.*
@kevinkingslayer2450
@kevinkingslayer2450 5 ай бұрын
The O.G. Marvel brawler in the house!!😉✌🇹🇹
@charlesjohnson536
@charlesjohnson536 5 ай бұрын
'THIS CHANNEL IS EXCELSIOR' 👍 ..
@alstarspass
@alstarspass 5 ай бұрын
My favorite member of the FF and one of my favorite Marvel characters!
@quentinfogger5755
@quentinfogger5755 5 ай бұрын
Can you do history of the Beyonder, Crossfire, Living Laser, Iron Monger, Titanium Man, Crimson Dynamo, Whiplash, Ultimo, Darkhawk, Union Jack, Annihilus, the Badoon and the Broods?
@quentinfogger5755
@quentinfogger5755 5 ай бұрын
Can you do history of the A-Force, U-Foes, Excalibur team, the Ultimates team, Starjammers, Alpha Flight, the Annihilators, the Invaders, the Squadron Supreme, Doom Maidens, the Midnight_Sons, Young Avengers, Dark Avengers, Masters of Evil, the Thunderbolts and the Champions?
@quentinfogger5755
@quentinfogger5755 5 ай бұрын
How long till you finish doing White Tiger: legacy of the Tiger by doing the history of Ava Ayala White Tiger who's the daughter of Hector Ayala? Can you do the history of Intelligencia in honour of the She-Hulk Disney Plus show?
@pierrebuieii3908
@pierrebuieii3908 5 ай бұрын
One of the best comics channels I seen on here
@Tigerkaya
@Tigerkaya 5 ай бұрын
And than Ben Grimm gets a beautiful reunion with his brother Daniel Grimm in heaven
@Artisan1979
@Artisan1979 5 ай бұрын
Do Reed Richards backstory next
@mitchellaimss1924
@mitchellaimss1924 5 ай бұрын
Ben is in my top 5 favorite marvel superheros....
@trexadvent4726
@trexadvent4726 5 ай бұрын
Can you do history of the characters mentioned in this video? Are you going to do history of the other members of the Fantastic Four like Mr Fantastic who has an evil version of himself called the Maker?
@Hulkzilla0
@Hulkzilla0 5 ай бұрын
Oh Yeah, It's Clobberin' Time!
@trexadvent4726
@trexadvent4726 5 ай бұрын
Does Ben Grimm the Thing has a longer life span since he's not human as the Thing and does the same thing goes for Franklin Richards who has unimaginable powers? Can you do history of Franklin Richards and Valeria Richards?
@BiggSheppTheManMythAndLegend
@BiggSheppTheManMythAndLegend 5 ай бұрын
YES! YES! YES!
@quentinfogger5755
@quentinfogger5755 5 ай бұрын
It's hard to believe that Ben Grimm was part of a street gang when he was younger and that he went to college with one of the world's smartest person
@NieR.Amanda
@NieR.Amanda 5 ай бұрын
Ben was able to channel his fearlessness into becoming a test pilot, giving invaluable insights and feedback while flying advanced experimental planes. Sometimes it just takes finding the right outlet to bring out the best in people.
@edward5989
@edward5989 5 ай бұрын
My fav marvel character ty for the. Love for my dude
@quentinfogger5755
@quentinfogger5755 5 ай бұрын
What do you think Ben Grimm the Thing would be like if he can switch from stoney body to human whenever he wants and having the power to control the earth element along with calling himself something like Earth golem or Geo-Force?
@DPLEET
@DPLEET 5 ай бұрын
Who was the other cosmic ray powered individual that the Fantastic Four subdued? (15:16)
@jendersonmohammed443
@jendersonmohammed443 5 ай бұрын
Ben is my favourite member of the FF after Susan Storm!
@fredthemithrilogre
@fredthemithrilogre 5 ай бұрын
I never knew that his skin was initially a scaly hide. And I've always thought his street gang was more of a neighborhood watch (patrols & protects)
@scr0ngle108
@scr0ngle108 5 ай бұрын
That was a clever retcon to explain his changes of appearances throughout the years. In the first 10 issues or so he looked like a sentient glob of oatmeal
@alisonsmith4436
@alisonsmith4436 5 ай бұрын
Thank you ☺️
@TheComicRelief9001
@TheComicRelief9001 5 ай бұрын
The Idol o' Millions!
@RedDevilVR
@RedDevilVR 5 ай бұрын
Nice been waiting on the newest video!
@maureencora1
@maureencora1 5 ай бұрын
I Like Ben Grimm He a Wiseguy From the Hood. (smile)
@trexadvent4726
@trexadvent4726 5 ай бұрын
Are you going to do history of Ironheart, M'Baku, Namora, Attuma and Shuri as the Black Panther since they played a major role in the Black Panther Wakanda Forever movie?
@trexadvent4726
@trexadvent4726 5 ай бұрын
Since you did the History of the Mandarin and Fin_Fang_Foom, can you do history of Ultimo as well as the Shang-Chi villain known as the Death_Dealer?
@MikelWash
@MikelWash 5 ай бұрын
man that was inspired I hope The Folks in charge watch this
@trexadvent4726
@trexadvent4726 5 ай бұрын
Can you do origin of the Grim Reaper, Quicksilver, Devondra, Sentry, Mr Immortal, Captain Universe, Dreadknight, Deathcry, Blizzard, Starhawk, Flerken, Whirlwind, Chemistro, Whiplash, Ronan the Accuser, Ego the Living Planet, the Living Tribunal and Palibok the Power Skrull along with Avenger-X and the Protector?
@trexadvent4726
@trexadvent4726 5 ай бұрын
Can you do origin of the Brood, the Gladiator, Hyperion, Star-Splendor, Havok, Vulcan, Jackal, Stingray, Quasar, Squirrel_Girl, Ultimus, Kly'bn, Kitty Pryde, Yotat, Dr.Faustus, Annihilus and Tryco Slatterus the Champion of the Universe?
@jamesmoss3424
@jamesmoss3424 5 ай бұрын
Don't mess with The Thing. 😀👍
@quentinfogger5755
@quentinfogger5755 5 ай бұрын
Which animated movie or TV Show do you think did a great job in portraying Ben Grimm the Thing and who's the best actor to play the live action version of him? Which actor do you think should play him in the MCU, Do you think it should be someone like Seth Rogen?
@vincentfranklin17
@vincentfranklin17 4 ай бұрын
I love the 1967 Fantastic Four cartoon, and the animated series from the 90's. I also enjoyed both the 2005 and 2007 live-action films.
@user-pm6nx1fs2w
@user-pm6nx1fs2w 13 күн бұрын
I seriously do not understand the idiotic comments on several things with him on KZfaq saying that he's underrated. This dude is the breakout star of the Fantastic Four. He shown up more times in comic and media than the entire team and had several spin-off comics, one of which wasn't even his own comic series. It was like the second volume of Marvel 2 in 1. Plus his military career, before the Sliding Timescale of Marvel made it so that he was also his own grandfather, involved him meeting future Marvel heroes and villains. So unless these comments about him being underrated are clichely talking about how he can't ever get as strong as the Hulk as long as he has his Madder=stronger power, which is truthfully trivial compared to everything else Ben can do; even though he also complains about it, what the hell are these idiots talking about?
@rashadjenkins1571
@rashadjenkins1571 5 ай бұрын
Jackie Long
@ericw8478
@ericw8478 5 ай бұрын
Is there anybody whose backstory Logan/Wolverine was NOT a part of???? Seems like he was everywhere...and met almost everyone during his time most of his memories were gone.
@user-rt8vc7lw8v
@user-rt8vc7lw8v 14 күн бұрын
Comic book for heros
@blakemiles7128
@blakemiles7128 5 ай бұрын
Can u do bi beast or dark crawler
@chaoswxtch
@chaoswxtch 5 ай бұрын
Need Amora Enchantress episode next
@stevejones6247
@stevejones6247 5 ай бұрын
interesting
@trexadvent4726
@trexadvent4726 5 ай бұрын
Who do you think is the DC version of Marvel's Ben Grimm the Thing? How come Ben Grimm the Thing can't turn back to human like the other three members of the Fantastic Four which makes living in his rocky form a curse? What would happen if he could control the earth element just like how Johnny Storm the Human Torch controls fire?
@crgscv
@crgscv 23 күн бұрын
Ben Grimm was somewhat the Fresh Prince before there was a Fresh Prince. Got into gang fight, had to move in with auntie and uncle, and became a sports star.
@Wyzard01
@Wyzard01 5 ай бұрын
I wonder if the middle name Jacob is a nod to Jack Kirby?
@trexadvent4726
@trexadvent4726 5 ай бұрын
What do you think Ben Grimm the Thing would have been like if he never lost anyone from his family and what do you think they would say about him as the Thing?
@JeffreyWLaRue
@JeffreyWLaRue 3 ай бұрын
You forgot to mention that the Thing can transform back to Ben Grimm for one week a year and while he's the Thing Ben doesn't age!!!!!!
@jalenikezeue4114
@jalenikezeue4114 4 ай бұрын
You know what despite reed being one the smartest characters in the marvel universe He never could figure a cure for Ben And even if he did it didn't last long or he miscalculated And may I just say Ben has been through countless Adventures
@bossfan49
@bossfan49 5 ай бұрын
Is there any reason given as to why the effects of the cosmic storm were so drastically different on each of them? You could maybe say each one turned in to something that matched their psyche/personality... but that's not really a scientific explanation.
@scoobydoobybluesvancampcru5158
@scoobydoobybluesvancampcru5158 5 ай бұрын
💯
@Winstonfeynman6
@Winstonfeynman6 3 ай бұрын
Could you do dr Reed Richard he may favorite marvel character in the Marvel universe besides moon girl or the smartest man alive. What is the smartest person in the marvel universe i don’t believe moon girl because she’s a new character plus Richard is smarter
@user-rt8vc7lw8v
@user-rt8vc7lw8v 14 күн бұрын
Hey y'all genie came The half moon because he need a full body
@ryanangelastro504
@ryanangelastro504 Ай бұрын
3:20-3:25 of course they did. Because you can’t be a superhero, without dead parents.
@jackieanderson9408
@jackieanderson9408 5 ай бұрын
In the up coming Fantastic Four sue will be the leader. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@TheOvervoid
@TheOvervoid 5 ай бұрын
His time as a street gang member is a good set up for a "what if the Thing was a thug". Like his alias in that universe would be "The Thug" as a play on "The Thing".
@jalenikezeue4114
@jalenikezeue4114 28 күн бұрын
😒 What The Hell Does Susan know she's Not a scientist
@aaronatherton7431
@aaronatherton7431 5 ай бұрын
Biden: You know the Thing! Thing:...ya, I don't know ya. But Tony Stark wants to talk to you about all those weapons you left in Afghanistan and Bruce Wayne wants to talk to you about your son Hunter's shakedown attempt.
@ensabahnur7657
@ensabahnur7657 5 ай бұрын
He was so cool in the 80s & early 90s then I completely lost all interest in the Character!😑😨😒
@evilchaosboy
@evilchaosboy 5 ай бұрын
Man...I wish Marvel would come out of its braindead _coma_ and get some real talent on ALL the original heroes and promote them instead all this woke diversity B.S! We NEED our heroes back. They are timeless and should be as relevant today as they ever were. Marvel could do that easily if they cared, but sadly they do not. Ben Grimm is an example of how stupid Marvel is by not using him to his potential. Sigh, I miss the old days when comics were good and cheap and if they weren't good sometimes, they were still always cheap...the good kind of cheap! \m/
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